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(STLToday)   East St. Louis churches don't want to pay the fire tax. It's ok though God never burns down churches   (stltoday.com) divider line 58
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2013-04-12 01:09:09 PM
"This is a problem in the separation of church and state," the Rev. Robert Jones III of John Devine Missionary Baptist Church

So, Bob Jones, you're trying to accuse the state of violating the separation of church and state because the state won't give the church preferential treatment?

Is that the argument you want to go with?
 
2013-04-12 01:29:27 PM
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DNRFA
 
2013-04-12 01:35:50 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "This is a problem in the separation of church and state," the Rev. Robert Jones III of John Devine Missionary Baptist Church

So, Bob Jones, you're trying to accuse the state of violating the separation of church and state because the state won't give the church preferential treatment?

Is that the argument you want to go with?


That's the way it works.  Take a position, stick with it, look stupid.  When that fails, pull the race card.  When one of these churches burn down, they'll scream the city doesn't care about "black churches".  Welcome to St. Louis Metro.
 
2013-04-12 01:37:47 PM
They burnin' down all the Churches!

That's OK, we go to Popeye's
 
2013-04-12 01:38:20 PM
they don't like tipping either

Alois Bell, you are the flaming twat of christos
 
2013-04-12 01:41:27 PM
Fire tax?? Next thing you know they'll be taxing the rain!  Oh wait...
 
2013-04-12 01:42:04 PM
What a farking racket these pious phonies have going.
 
2013-04-12 01:45:31 PM
The St. Louis area has some wacky preachers.  Is Larry Rice still serving rabbit to the homeless on Easter?
 
2013-04-12 01:48:30 PM
To be fair, there's nothing really worth spending that sort of money on as far as fire protection goes in East St. Louis.
 
2013-04-12 01:48:50 PM
No, but Klansmen do.
 
2013-04-12 01:54:10 PM
In their defense. It's usually act of human.
 
2013-04-12 02:03:05 PM
I drive through East St Louis every day on my commute. There are a good 5-6 buildings that are completely burned out on a 2-mile stretch on a major road through town, some of which are still standing after years of neglect.

This town is one of the most apathetic places you'll ever see. When even the churches can't be bothered to care about covering their costs against what is surely an eventuality, it tells you how bad things are.
 
2013-04-12 02:07:36 PM
They better be careful with that brimstone.
 
2013-04-12 02:07:59 PM
So...

there won't be water for the fire next time?
 
2013-04-12 02:08:43 PM
Funny how churches are all for separation of church and state when it comes to taxes -- but aren't when it comes to anything else.
 
2013-04-12 02:09:01 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "This is a problem in the separation of church and state," the Rev. Robert Jones III of John Devine Missionary Baptist Church

So, Bob Jones, you're trying to accuse the state of violating the separation of church and state because the state won't give the church preferential treatment?

Is that the argument you want to go with?


Yep, that's been the winning argument for a couple of hundred years.

It's ridiculous, too. Exempting churches makes the government decide what is and what is not a legitimate religion. That is as unconstitutional as you can get.
 
2013-04-12 02:09:46 PM
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2013-04-12 02:10:36 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "This is a problem in the separation of church and state," the Rev. Robert Jones III of John Devine Missionary Baptist Church

So, Bob Jones, you're trying to accuse the state of violating the separation of church and state because the state won't give the church preferential treatment?

Is that the argument you want to go with?


The only shocking thing is that he didn't blame this problem on the fact that prayer isn't allowed in public schools in the very same breath.
 
2013-04-12 02:12:16 PM

secularsage: I drive through East St Louis every day on my commute. There are a good 5-6 buildings that are completely burned out on a 2-mile stretch on a major road through town, some of which are still standing after years of neglect.

This town is one of the most apathetic places you'll ever see. When even the churches can't be bothered to care about covering their costs against what is surely an eventuality, it tells you how bad things are.


What scares most people is that there are piles of bricks in the road from the buildings falling down that have not been picked up in years. They are still trying to replace all of the manhole covers that were stolen years ago after the last administration left city office. They completely win apathy awards at olympic level competitions.
 
2013-04-12 02:17:01 PM

HotWingConspiracy: What a farking racket these pious phonies have going.


And the churches take advantage of things too.
 
2013-04-12 02:19:08 PM
So what you're trying to say is "Fark Caesar and that whole rendering to him bullshiat"


 I might suggest a book for you to read chum..
 
2013-04-12 02:20:24 PM
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2013-04-12 02:26:14 PM
I say we undo the exemption from taxation.   If your organization garners income, you should pay income taxes on it.  period.   You should also be paying real estate taxes, Churches take up a lot of land that could be used by a business that would benefit the community a lot more than a bunch of pews and a few kiddy diddlers.
 
2013-04-12 02:28:25 PM
What a burned-out(?) church in East St. Louis may look like:

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//Actually, I think it probably just collapsed.
 
2013-04-12 02:34:53 PM
Looks like they found a reasonable compromise.  Don't pay the fee, but make sure someone does an actual inspection to make sure the structure is safe.  This could work out, it isn't hard to find a real inspector willing to come in, do the inspection right, charge nothing to the church and then the inspector can list the uncharged fee as a donation when tax time comes around.  The church wins this round.

/I know a generous business owner that does this all the time.
//He doesn't always have money for the plate, so he finds other ways to donate.
///Small business, so he doesn't always get a paycheck.
 
2013-04-12 02:38:03 PM
I have an idea.

Tell the churches they don't have to pay the fee.  But let them know that if they don't pay it, the fire department will be instructed to not respond to a fire at their church, other than to protect surrounding buildings while the church burns to the ground.
 
2013-04-12 02:41:41 PM

Girion47: I say we undo the exemption from taxation.   If your organization garners income, you should pay income taxes on it.  period.   You should also be paying real estate taxes, Churches take up a lot of land that could be used by a business that would benefit the community a lot more than a bunch of pews and a few kiddy diddlers.


We are taxed when we earn the money.  We are taxed when we spend it.  We are taxed when we give large amounts to friends and family.  We are taxed if we save it in a bank and accrue interest.  We are taxed when we pass it along to our benefactors.  Giving to charities is the last use of money that is not taxed.  Do you work for the IRS?
 
2013-04-12 02:42:26 PM

lack of warmth: Girion47: I say we undo the exemption from taxation.   If your organization garners income, you should pay income taxes on it.  period.   You should also be paying real estate taxes, Churches take up a lot of land that could be used by a business that would benefit the community a lot more than a bunch of pews and a few kiddy diddlers.

We are taxed when we earn the money.  We are taxed when we spend it.  We are taxed when we give large amounts to friends and family.  We are taxed if we save it in a bank and accrue interest.  We are taxed when we pass it along to our benefactors.  Giving to charities is the last use of money that is not taxed.  Do you work for the IRS?


A church isn't a charity, it is a sham.
 
2013-04-12 02:44:13 PM

Girion47: lack of warmth: Girion47: I say we undo the exemption from taxation.   If your organization garners income, you should pay income taxes on it.  period.   You should also be paying real estate taxes, Churches take up a lot of land that could be used by a business that would benefit the community a lot more than a bunch of pews and a few kiddy diddlers.

We are taxed when we earn the money.  We are taxed when we spend it.  We are taxed when we give large amounts to friends and family.  We are taxed if we save it in a bank and accrue interest.  We are taxed when we pass it along to our benefactors.  Giving to charities is the last use of money that is not taxed.  Do you work for the IRS?

I don't go to church it is a shame.


FTFM
 
2013-04-12 02:50:35 PM
Let the fires pay the fire tax!

Burn down the mission anyone?
 
2013-04-12 02:52:21 PM
Toodle-oo!
 
2013-04-12 02:53:58 PM
FTFA:

Parks disputed that the goal of the ordinance was to add city revenue. "This is not a money grab," he said while his pants burned.
 
2013-04-12 02:56:20 PM

secularsage: I drive through East St Louis every day on my commute. There are a good 5-6 buildings that are completely burned out on a 2-mile stretch on a major road through town, some of which are still standing after years of neglect.

This town is one of the most apathetic places you'll ever see. When even the churches can't be bothered to care about covering their costs against what is surely an eventuality, it tells you how bad things are.


I used to drive through it all the time just to look at and imagine what once was. Their population went from 80,000+ to under 30,000 in about 50 years.
 
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2013-04-12 03:03:45 PM
A similar case is the one of the main precedents on the distinction between "taxes" and "user fees" in Massachusetts. Boston ordered a tax-exempt college to pay a fire protection fee. The college sued and won because fire protection is a core municipal function and there is no ability to opt out. So the fee is not a valid user fee (which is by definition voluntary), the college is exempt from property tax, and cities can not charge any other tax on the right to own real property.

I don't know whether Illinois law on this topic is similar.
 
2013-04-12 03:11:20 PM

lack of warmth: Girion47: lack of warmth: Girion47: I say we undo the exemption from taxation.   If your organization garners income, you should pay income taxes on it.  period.   You should also be paying real estate taxes, Churches take up a lot of land that could be used by a business that would benefit the community a lot more than a bunch of pews and a few kiddy diddlers.

We are taxed when we earn the money.  We are taxed when we spend it.  We are taxed when we give large amounts to friends and family.  We are taxed if we save it in a bank and accrue interest.  We are taxed when we pass it along to our benefactors.  Giving to charities is the last use of money that is not taxed.  Do you work for the IRS?

I don't go to church it is a shame.

FTFM


There's no fixing of what I said, shiat like this is why people hate the sanctimonious bullshiat that these tax-havens spew on a weekly basis.
 
2013-04-12 03:13:10 PM
Large interior spaces, surrounded by heavy masonry walls and supported by as little heavy-timber joist work as they can get away with? Churches should be forced to pay extra to cover the workers' comp death benefits of the firefighters they're going to kill in the name of their religion. My instructors seem to be even more wary of churches than they are of old balloon-frame housing.
 
2013-04-12 03:20:30 PM
 
2013-04-12 03:23:03 PM
It's ok, Baptists love water and should have plenty of it around for putting out their own fire.
 
2013-04-12 03:37:19 PM

ReverendJynxed: It's ok, Baptists love water and should have plenty of it around for putting out their own fire.


That's actually vodka in a water bottle.
 
2013-04-12 03:38:01 PM
Someone should remind them that there's a reason John Carpenter shot Escape From New York in East St. Louis...
 
2013-04-12 03:39:45 PM

TheGreatGazoo: The St. Louis area has some wacky preachers.  Is Larry Rice still serving rabbit to the homeless on Easter?


That. Is. AWESOME.  I wonder what his Fark handle is.
 
2013-04-12 03:42:56 PM
St. Louis - historically, only slightly better than birmingham on the "mysterious church fire" front..
 
2013-04-12 03:46:16 PM

Girion47: ReverendJynxed: It's ok, Baptists love water and should have plenty of it around for putting out their own fire.

That's actually vodka in a water bottle.


In that giant bathtub? I really need to start going to church.
 
2013-04-12 03:47:47 PM

lack of warmth: Girion47: lack of warmth: Girion47: I say we undo the exemption from taxation.   If your organization garners income, you should pay income taxes on it.  period.   You should also be paying real estate taxes, Churches take up a lot of land that could be used by a business that would benefit the community a lot more than a bunch of pews and a few kiddy diddlers.

We are taxed when we earn the money.  We are taxed when we spend it.  We are taxed when we give large amounts to friends and family.  We are taxed if we save it in a bank and accrue interest.  We are taxed when we pass it along to our benefactors.  Giving to charities is the last use of money that is not taxed.  Do you work for the IRS?

I don't go to church it is a shame.

FTFM


Wow, that sure was an inspiring feat of wit.
 
2013-04-12 03:49:53 PM
Where did East St Louis get a fire truck? JD Byrider?
 
2013-04-12 04:30:32 PM

ReverendJynxed: Girion47: ReverendJynxed: It's ok, Baptists love water and should have plenty of it around for putting out their own fire.

That's actually vodka in a water bottle.

In that giant bathtub? I really need to start going to church.


You know it's a baptist in the liquor store when they avoid eye contact
 
2013-04-12 04:37:25 PM
FTFA: "This is a problem in the separation of church and state," the Rev. Robert Jones III of John Devine Missionary Baptist Church

We want our backwards, archaic, bigoted, and homophobic teachings from some moldy old book to be LAW!
But we still want church and state separate!

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/oblig
//fark you, Robert Jones III. fark you in the ass.
 
2013-04-12 05:03:07 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "This is a problem in the separation of church and state," the Rev. Robert Jones III of John Devine Missionary Baptist Church

So, Bob Jones, you're trying to accuse the state of violating the separation of church and state because the state won't give the church preferential treatment?

Is that the argument you want to go with?


If the churches pay taxes, then the church has a right to speak about those taxes. And lobbying is speech.

The meager portion of taxes the church might pay is well worth the benefit of excluding churches from direct participation in government.
 
2013-04-12 05:04:22 PM

jayhawk88: I_Am_Weasel: "This is a problem in the separation of church and state," the Rev. Robert Jones III of John Devine Missionary Baptist Church

So, Bob Jones, you're trying to accuse the state of violating the separation of church and state because the state won't give the church preferential treatment?

Is that the argument you want to go with?

The only shocking thing is that he didn't blame this problem on the fact that prayer isn't allowed in public schools in the very same breath.


Or on teh gayists, it's always partly their fault.
 
2013-04-12 05:06:08 PM
"This is a problem in the separation of church and state," the Rev. Robert Jones III of John Devine Missionary Baptist Church said before the meeting. "They're trying to tax a church ... for a service that does not even exist."

Church boy may want to choose his verbage carefully when discussing services that do not even exist.
 
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