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(CNN)   This is gonna shock you, but the secularist candidate for the Pakistani parliament was killed by religious nuts   (edition.cnn.com) divider line 63
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2013-04-12 10:13:26 AM
4 votes:

Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Carn: In before wholesome Christians righteously denounce Islam.

FYI, you don't have to be an Xtian to denounce Islam.

I was being facetious.  I agree that you don't have to be a Christian to denounce Islam, you probably just have to be an idiot.


Yeah, criticizing a stone-age religion and how it's negatively affecting billions of people sure is idiotic.
2013-04-12 10:01:55 AM
4 votes:

hdhale: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Because a nation ruled by its religious principles always does well right?

*stares at the evangelical right

In 1950 it was possible to load up with enough firearms and ammunition, purchased by mail order (without a background check) to repeat any mass murder committed in the 20 years.

Yet people didn't do it.  Back then, going to church on Sunday or synagog on Saturday was considered something you just did--it was expected and the vast majority of Americans worshiped God, put out religious displays on government property, and were not ambivalent about it.

Tell me more about how far we have progressed culturally as a nation since, given increased the increased secularization of society.


Yeah, back then people just made sure women, negroes and homos knew their place and placed their unflinching trust in the government to protect them from the red menace.

What a golden age!
2013-04-12 09:42:04 AM
4 votes:
If they like fire and brimstone so much, we might as well send more drones to deliver it. The sooner all these jihadi savages are dead, the sooner the rest of Pakistan and the world can have peace.
2013-04-12 09:33:43 AM
4 votes:
Because a nation ruled by its religious principles always does well right?

*stares at the evangelical right
2013-04-12 12:48:27 PM
3 votes:

NostroZ: and settled issues of Church v. State


Age has nothing to do with it.  Orthadox jews in Israel are trying to make secular Israel into a theocracy.  Dominionists are trying to take over the United States.  The RCC still insists on having its own country, and has never been happy with not physically ruling all it could rule.

The issue is which has more power to exercise authority.  Islam has been very good in mainting the supremacy of the theocrats.  When moslems come to the US, they learn that secular authority is primary, and they either adapt to that or get thrown in jail for honor killing their daughters.
2013-04-12 10:04:22 AM
3 votes:
I must confess, I have never understood the idea that removing a facet of human culture (like religion) could bring about peace or utopia.  Humanity is flawed to it's very core, and civilization has mostly been the story of us trying desperately to succeed despite ourselves.  Religion can cause us to ignore logic and reason, but it is hardly the only thing.  Blaming the ills of the world on religion smacks of tribal thinking by itself.  Perhaps I'm missing some perspective to see what others see.

My apologies for a bit of a rant, but this has always irritated me.
2013-04-12 09:41:41 AM
3 votes:
Not in before someone has to somehow try to tie this to Christians.
2013-04-12 01:00:53 PM
2 votes:

maddogdelta: NostroZ: and settled issues of Church v. State

Age has nothing to do with it.  Orthodox jews in Israel are trying to make secular Israel into a theocracy.  Dominionists are trying to take over the United States.  The RCC still insists on having its own country, and has never been happy with not physically ruling all it could rule.

The issue is which has more power to exercise authority.  Islam has been very good in mainting the supremacy of the theocrats.  When moslems come to the US, they learn that secular authority is primary, and they either adapt to that or get thrown in jail for honor killing their daughters.


Right.  Religious law is below federal law in America.  That's why you sometimes will see a crazy cult that marries off their daughters at nine years old get raided by the FBI from time to time.

The same goes for Israel.  They are mainly secular as a people, though Judaism is the preferred state religion.

In Muslim countries, there is the concept of Sharia Law which is unique in that it SUPERSEDES civil law and it is the duty of a Muslim to bring about this type of government, to be imposed on others.  There are gradients of Sharia (Hanbali, Hanafi, Manki, Sunni schools and the shiate Ja'Fari).

Yet, what remains similar is that in a Muslim country, there will be "decency laws" which often are biased against women, minorities, etc.
2013-04-12 11:52:06 AM
2 votes:

NostroZ: For some reason there seems to be a lot more secular Christians than Muslims.

You know... practically speaking.


Have you ever wondered WHY?  Christianity is not immune from religious people wanting to be the ultimate governmental authority. Currently, Dominionists are advocating the christian takeover of the country and installing a christian, rather than a secular government.

Actually, up until Henry II of England, it was a matter of common knowledge that clerical authority was superior to the state.  There were practical difficulties controlling vast stretches of Europe via the Holy Roman empire and the direct authority of the church, but it was agreed that you didn't attack the church directly.

Then Henry II asked if someone could make the Archbishop of Canterbury disappear.

Sure, Hank had to say that he was really really sorry and all after that, but other princes around Europe realized that they could execute clergymen and not have their populations revolt. the catholic church realized this too... The church reacted more oppressively (inquisition, etc), however they understood they needed military power to enforce their will, and could not impose their will on powers strong enough to resist them militarily.
When principalities/states became powerful enough, they started rebelling against the church through the Reformation.

The west is secular, not because christianity is a "nicer" religion, but because states are exercising authority over the church.

BTW, the RCC still doesn't like to recognize the supremacy of the state.  One look at the child rape scandal and you see an institution that sees itself being above secular law.
2013-04-12 11:31:43 AM
2 votes:

draypresct: The overall homicide rate today is fairly close to the average homicide rate in the 1950s, and we've accomplished this without having to kill off an entire generation of young men to do it.

Your theory that increasing secularization causes (supposedly) higher homicide rates is not supported by the data.


Here here!
Japan is a VERY secular society with less than 15% believe in God and they have one of the LOWEST crime rates in the western world.
2013-04-12 11:01:26 AM
2 votes:
Fark this pig ignorant religion. Yeah, I said it. No, not all Muslims are evil, but Islam is evil, and a Muslim can only be decent to the extent that he doesn't take his religion literally and/or seriously.

"Fundamentalist Islam is only a threat because the fundamentals of Islam are a threat." -Richard Dawkins
2013-04-12 10:52:54 AM
2 votes:

Dr Dreidel: The Valkyrie plot to assassinate Hitler was a suicide-bomb plot. I think many people could approve of that mission.


Uh, no it wasn't. It was a non-suicide bomb plot that the participants anticipated not only surviving, but taking control of Germany to sue for peace, as well.
2013-04-12 10:45:03 AM
2 votes:

Ant: DubtodaIll: I need to get around to actually reading the Koran.  And so do these nuts.

Don't claim it's not in there until you've read it. There's nasty shiat in the bible too. Luckily, secularized Christians and Muslims ignore a lot of their respective holy books.


For some reason there seems to be a lot more secular Christians than Muslims.

You know... practically speaking.
Where are the secular, down the middle of the road, lets all get along Muslims?  It's a big religion... but Christians tend to hold the state (democracy, gov't, etc.) as a more secular institution than Muslims do with a religion over government approach as with Sharia law.
2013-04-12 09:44:44 AM
2 votes:
I know there is money to be made in Pakistan, but at what point does the world finally just give up on them like Best Korea? If they want to have a closed country run by fanatics, have at it. Just close the border and cease trade with them.
2013-04-12 09:44:38 AM
2 votes:

Luminaro: What a bunch of A-holes.  The people with farked up views of their religion all need to get infested with a paralyzing disease... Think how peaceful the world would be with no one angry at other people for not worshipping who they worship.


Yup, it'd be an amazing world if the people you disagree with didn't exist.
2013-04-12 09:38:24 AM
2 votes:
As noted in TFA itself, the Taliban has effectively declared war on the institution of democracy itself and anyone involved in it, I don't know that this was because of the secular party thing so much as that they're just targeting anyone with anything to do with elections at this point.
2013-04-12 09:37:23 AM
2 votes:
I need to get around to actually reading the Koran.  And so do these nuts.
2013-04-12 08:44:56 AM
2 votes:
Republicans intrigued by this new strategy.
2013-04-13 01:11:40 AM
1 votes:
This sort of thing is why nobody cares that we're bombing Pakistan from drones. The whole country seems to be nuts. They kill their own moderates, have dozens of terrorist training camps, teach children to hate non-Muslims and be good little suicide bombers, etc. I'm sure there are nice people in Pakistan, just like in any other hellhole, but they seem unable to win because the opposition feels its their divine right to kill anyone who disagrees. So we bomb the terrorists in return, which sadly results in several hundred civilian deaths out of every thousand kills. Is it worth it? Possibly, if you calculate how many people those terrorists would have killed. But it certainly isn't making anyone like us and it is costing a lot of money - money that also translates to lives lost due to the money not being spent on basic needs at home.
2013-04-12 05:34:29 PM
1 votes:
FTFA: ""We are not in favor of democracy, democracy is for Jews and Christians" he said in recent propaganda video."

You goddamned evil bastard. You farking horrible coont. Democracy is for all people. You farking child.

FTFA: ""They are intended to divide Muslims, we want the implementation of Sharia [law] and for that jihad is necessary," he added."

WRONG. Dead farking wrong. You couldn't be more wrong. I work with Muslims. I live with them in my community. And somehow they do that without struggling with your so-called jihad.

Consider this a vote for Fakhar UI Islam. May he rest in peace.
2013-04-12 05:11:12 PM
1 votes:

RevMark: I denounce Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. Basically, the three things that have caused more war, death, strife, ignorance and hatred than any other thing in human history.


Wow!  You sure do denounce a LOT of PEOPLE.

Basically, you denounce about 55% of the WORLD POPULATION.

WTF is your problem?  Show me on the doll where he touched you...
2013-04-12 04:36:26 PM
1 votes:
Let's face it, if the people of Pakistan wanted these people dead, they'd kill them themselves. Fact of the matter is that the Taliban have a great deal of support in Pakistan. We can't "liberate" them.
2013-04-12 03:31:43 PM
1 votes:

maddogdelta: NostroZ: Christianity had to go through the Protestant Reformation and become a more PERSONAL religion VS. a STATE one.

If that solved the problem, why are christians in the US trying so hard to impose their form of religious law on the rest of the country?


Okay, that's North Carolina and it is a bill that legislators don't intend to pass.
They are doing it as grand standing for their constituency.

Which makes me wonder, who are you grand standing for?
2013-04-12 02:35:08 PM
1 votes:

draypresct: Tommy Moo: ciberido: Tommy Moo: Fark this pig ignorant religion. Yeah, I said it.

The really sad this is you're proud of that fact, like a kid who gets a big grin when his parents walk into the room and see he painted the walls with his poop.

They hate you, you know. These spittle-flecked, bath salt freaks you are so eager to defend would cut your f*cking head off given the chance. It's a shame that the only Americans willing to call them out for what they are are our own fundamentalist crazies.

The vast majority of Muslems really don't care one way or the other about me or you. If you visit their countries, they might  . . . offer to sell you something. Pretty scary.


Hours and hours of interviews exist such as this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2x32tG6-F0

If people like the man in this video were rare extremists, their views would not be dominating and setting the tone of culture in all Muslim countries (except possibly Turkey and Malaysia.) Christians who hate birth control aren't able to prevent it from being sold because they are fringe extremists. This man represents the median of culture in the Middle East.

Here is an article summarizing Pew Research data among worldwide Muslims:

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/41425/pew-report-13-of-us-muslims-sup po rt-al-qaeda-60-say-911-attacks-not-done-by-muslims-arabs-13-say-being- muslim-conflicts-w-modern-society-25-came-to-us-under-bush/

Approximately 1 out of 3 Muslims in the world supports Al Qaeda and thinks that suicide bombings are a justifiable sociopolitical tool for spreading and preserving the influence of Islam. The raw numbers can be found here: http://www.pewglobal.org/database/?indicator=19&survey=1&response=Oft e n/sometimes%20justified&mode=chart

These numbers are nothing like Christianity. The closest equivalent American Christianity has to Islam would be the Fred Phelps Westboro Baptist Church, which comprises a total of 30 people who have never actually acted in violence. It's no secret that I am a critic of all religion, and I frequently go up against the regressive influence that Christianity has on American culture, but when it comes to dread destructive forces in the 21st century, there can be no doubt that Islam is public enemy number one.

And I will preempt anyone who might call me a bigot by insisting that there is no such thing as bigotry against an idea or set of ideas. I am not a racist, and I have no quarrel with people of Arabic descent, so long as they are not Muslims. Saying that I don't like Muslims is no different than someone saying that they don't like Republicans.
2013-04-12 01:11:51 PM
1 votes:

NostroZ: The same goes for Israel. They are mainly secular as a people, though Judaism is the preferred state religion.

In Muslim countries, there is the concept of Sharia Law which is unique in that it SUPERSEDES civil law and it is the duty of a Muslim to bring about this type of government, to be imposed on others. There are gradients of Sharia (Hanbali, Hanafi, Manki, Sunni schools and the shiate Ja'Fari)


The facts you are stating are in exact agreement with what I was saying.  What you are forgetting is WHY christians and jews are living in secular countries and not theocracies.

In both cases, it is the primacy of the state, no church which guarantees this.  If the church gets the power, it will exercise that power. Whether christian, moslim or jew.
2013-04-12 12:43:42 PM
1 votes:

evoke: Carn: evoke: Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Carn: In before wholesome Christians righteously denounce Islam.

FYI, you don't have to be an Xtian to denounce Islam.

I was being facetious.  I agree that you don't have to be a Christian to denounce Islam, you probably just have to be an idiot.

Yeah, criticizing a stone-age religion and how it's negatively affecting billions of people sure is idiotic.

That would be Middle age actually.  If you were trying to make a point that the older a religion is, the more inferior it is, then clearly Islam is superior to Christianity.

Wait what? Christianity? I said nothing about Christianity. Way to be predictably knee-jerk though (but Christianity does it too!).

All religions should be criticized and ridiculed. The reason I said stone-age is because that's where its values are rooted.

That said, not all religions are equal. Western Christianity, is in my opinion, superior to middle-eastern/asian Islam. Just compare the value-systems of the west to that of the middle-east. Islam is also a political ideology.

By the way, I said nothing about Muslims, so the ridiculous straw men "lol some Muslims are bad therefore all Muslims are bad" isn't going to fly.

/Fark liberal apologists.


Well since it's your opinion, it must be true!  No need to defend it with any sort of facts or logical argument.  You have effectively argued that "my religion is better than their religion" which is truly profound, has never been stated by anyone before, and has really helped us understand these concepts.  You may call it a strawman, but it is in fact the case that you are arguing either that "some Muslims are bad therefore all Muslims are bad" or "all Muslims are bad therefore all Muslims are bad".  It would only be a strawman if it weren't effectively the argument you are making.
2013-04-12 12:35:47 PM
1 votes:

PaLarkin: Kriggerel: ...So kick the Jews out of Occupied Palestine!

The Jews were there first.


No one cares who was where first or who bought what from whom...
 at this point, this is all that matters:

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Ant
2013-04-12 12:33:46 PM
1 votes:

ciberido: For the hardcore New Atheists, the One Bad Thing is religion.


One bad thing? There are tons of bad things that've got very little to do with religion.

/atheist
2013-04-12 11:58:46 AM
1 votes:

Carn: Some Muslims are bad therefore Islam is bad.

Speaking of bad nazis, are you aware that certain KKK white supremacist groups in the United States are openly Protestant? Since nazis and therefore neo-nazis are bad that means that Protestants are bad. Since Protestants are bad, Christians are bad.

Some Christians are bad therefore Christianity is bad.


So by your logic, kkk bad so kkk leaders are bad so kkk leaders who were electd democrats in the senate are bad so all democrats are bad? Wow, huffing paint is no way to go throught life.

Like i said before but you just ignored, look at their actions today... they speak louder than words for those who want to learn. reality, how does it work?
2013-04-12 11:38:21 AM
1 votes:

NobleHam: "We are not in favor of democracy, democracy is for Jews and Christians"

So, since Abu Bakr was elected, was he a Jew or a Christian?


Yes.

It's a lot like how Obama is an atheist Muslim.
2013-04-12 11:22:49 AM
1 votes:
Modern reasoning of the American Taliban:

"I dont have to craft a logical argument when reality does it for me. " - Jow Blowme.

ct.fra.bz
His gut does all the reasoning he needs.
2013-04-12 11:16:33 AM
1 votes:

maddogdelta: I really hate people who kill children. I really hate other people who kill in the name of religion. And those people who do both are real assholes. I really hate them!


there you go. enough venom for you?


I don't see how you're hate is helping anything... or anyone.
2013-04-12 11:13:14 AM
1 votes:

hdhale: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Because a nation ruled by its religious principles always does well right?

*stares at the evangelical right

In 1950 it was possible to load up with enough firearms and ammunition, purchased by mail order (without a background check) to repeat any mass murder committed in the 20 years.

Yet people didn't do it.  Back then, going to church on Sunday or synagog on Saturday was considered something you just did--it was expected and the vast majority of Americans worshiped God, put out religious displays on government property, and were not ambivalent about it.

Tell me more about how far we have progressed culturally as a nation since, given increased the increased secularization of society.


I suggest that you look at overall trends in homicide rates, instead of cherry-picking the 1950's as your reference (http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/06/long-term-t re nd-in-homicide-rates.html - note: these trends are matched in Europe, based on other data I've seen). The current rates are nearly an order of magnitude smaller than they were during more religious time periods.

Young men commit these horrific crimes. The 1950's had a much lower proportion of these young men.
Each decade from 1920 to 1940, the US Census reported that 18% of the population was between 15-24 years old. In 1950, it was 15%, and in 1960 it was 13% (see "population by age" at http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/hist_stats.html). Keep in mind that this drop was much, much larger among males than females.

There are a lot of effects of this type of massive demographic change. The most obvious one is that there are fewer young men to commit the crimes. A less obvious one is that employment is more readily available for the jobs that this demographic tend to look for. Both of these factors tend to drastically reduce the reported murder rate.

The overall homicide rate today is fairly close to the average homicide rate in the 1950s, and we've accomplished this without having to kill off an entire generation of young men to do it.

Your theory that increasing secularization causes (supposedly) higher homicide rates is not supported by the data.
2013-04-12 11:12:33 AM
1 votes:

Ant: DubtodaIll: Ant: DubtodaIll: And I suppose if you're nutty enough to hear the Deity these days then I can be surprised when you do nutty things.

If you believe in a deity, how can you possibly come to the conclusion that someone who claims to be hearing from it is nutty? Do you believe or not?

It's not nuts to believe in something greater than yourself.  It's not nuts to recognize that living by the tenants of a major religion help to make you a successful individual. It is nuts to claim you actually hear that force speaking to your in your language just to you and only you can hear it.

I'm glad that you think that Abraham was insane when he tried to kill Issac. Am I the only one here who thinks that all the people who see this story as a positive message are freaking crazy?


"I didn't actually mean it, I just wanted to see if you would!  Here, kill this defenseless animal instead, for I demand blood."

The correct response to that is to shop around for a new deity that doesn't play mind games.
2013-04-12 10:58:58 AM
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: Carn: Joe Blowme: Carn: Joe Blowme: Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Carn: In before wholesome Christians righteously denounce Islam.

FYI, you don't have to be an Xtian to denounce Islam.

I was being facetious.  I agree that you don't have to be a Christian to denounce Islam, you probably just have to be an idiot.

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This is called projection.

This is called willfully ignorant

/tolerance of evil is a crime

Of what am I being willfully ignorant?  Try to avoid circular reasoning, ie Islam is bad because Islam is bad.

With you i will have to avoid all reasoning, you are being obtuse and either know it (trolling me) or believe it (dhimmi or fullblow member of the death cult)

/i know, i know, you saw on the internets right? Everything on the internet is true


I'm an atheist, and I'm not trolling nor being obtuse.  I await your well crafted logical argument as to why Islam as a whole is bad.  Keep in mind however, I've been dropping hints in this to the fact that most specious arguments supporting this conclusion can be used logically to "prove" that any religion is bad.  If some bad Muslims make the whole religion bad, then some bad Christians make all of Christianity bad.  I'm guessing the latter is your religion of choice, so perhaps a bit more scrutiny is required.
2013-04-12 10:58:16 AM
1 votes:

maddogdelta: hdhale: In 1950 it was possible to load up with enough firearms and ammunition, purchased by mail order (without a background check) to repeat any mass murder committed in the 20 years.

Yet people didn't do it. Back then, going to church on Sunday or synagog on Saturday was considered something you just did--it was expected and the vast majority of Americans worshiped God, put out religious displays on government property, and were not ambivalent about it.

Because it was a lot more fun to blow up schools...
Andrew Kehoe...hipster ... A Tea Partier before the Tea Party was cool...


I think you just ripped open the space-time continuum with an insult to a suicidal crazy murderer as BOTH a hipster AND a Tea-Partier!

I am amazed at your venom spewing!
At least today it came with an informative link.
2013-04-12 10:55:54 AM
1 votes:
Honestly, I'm somewhat surprised Pakistan is still more or less a coherent county.
Ant
2013-04-12 10:55:05 AM
1 votes:

Theeng: I must confess, I have never understood the idea that removing a facet of human culture (like religion) could bring about peace or utopia.  Humanity is flawed to it's very core, and civilization has mostly been the story of us trying desperately to succeed despite ourselves.  Religion can cause us to ignore logic and reason, but it is hardly the only thing.  Blaming the ills of the world on religion smacks of tribal thinking by itself.  Perhaps I'm missing some perspective to see what others see.

My apologies for a bit of a rant, but this has always irritated me.


Yes, human beings would be assholes to each other, and often are, even without religion; it's in our nature. Religion just gives you one more reason to hate each other. And as a bonus, it offers up ready-made justifications for your hatred of others. That, coupled with it's endorsement of belief without proof (and sometimes in spite of proof) makes it a wonderful tool for amplifying the asshole tendencies in all of us.

/If you've managed to follow the good parts of your religion, while ignoring the bad, good for you. Just know that someone else has done the exact opposite with the same holy book.
2013-04-12 10:53:44 AM
1 votes:

Carn: give me doughnuts: Carn: If you were trying to make a point that the older a religion is, the more inferior it is, then clearly Islam is superior to Christianity.


Buddhism must really suck ass, then!

But no, only you were trying to make that point

No, I wasn't.  I was pointing out that he had both mis-categorized Islam as being a stone age religion, which it isn't, but if his point were that older religions are bad, then he's shiatting on the wrong one.  Try to keep up.


It wasn't his point. Only you were trying to raise that distinction.
As you said: Try to keep up.
2013-04-12 10:51:22 AM
1 votes:

Carn: Joe Blowme: Carn: Joe Blowme: Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Carn: In before wholesome Christians righteously denounce Islam.

FYI, you don't have to be an Xtian to denounce Islam.

I was being facetious.  I agree that you don't have to be a Christian to denounce Islam, you probably just have to be an idiot.

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This is called projection.

This is called willfully ignorant

/tolerance of evil is a crime

Of what am I being willfully ignorant?  Try to avoid circular reasoning, ie Islam is bad because Islam is bad.


With you i will have to avoid all reasoning, you are being obtuse and either know it (trolling me) or believe it (dhimmi or fullblow member of the death cult)

/i know, i know, you saw on the internets right? Everything on the internet is true
2013-04-12 10:47:26 AM
1 votes:

Moopy Mac: I'm not supporting suicide bombing in any capacity, but growing up, the most noble sacrifice portrayed in military media was participation in the suicide mission.

So generally, the vast majority of Americans probably support suicide missions, as long as they agree with the objective.



You may want to ask those Americans if they support civilians carrying out "suicide missions" in crowded markets and churches. You may find that their answers differ.
2013-04-12 10:37:32 AM
1 votes:
I don't understand all the violence. I know they allow prayer in school. In fact I believe it is mandatory. I just don't get it. A real head scratcher.
2013-04-12 10:32:51 AM
1 votes:

Carn: Joe Blowme: Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Carn: In before wholesome Christians righteously denounce Islam.

FYI, you don't have to be an Xtian to denounce Islam.

I was being facetious.  I agree that you don't have to be a Christian to denounce Islam, you probably just have to be an idiot.

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This is called projection.


This is called willfully ignorant

/tolerance of evil is a crime
2013-04-12 10:27:05 AM
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: monoski: Joe Blowme: Luminaro: What a bunch of A-holes.  The people with farked up majority views of their religion all need to get infested with a paralyzing disease... Think how peaceful the world would be with no one angry at other people for not worshipping who they worship.

Islam is awsome

Taliban is not Islam they are an extremist faction. Try not generalize, it makes you look stupid (especially with spelling errors)

Wow, you just have no clue about islam. Know how i know you have never been to an islamic run country or read the koran?

US muslims are the most "moderate" yet " 25% of US Muslims under 30 support suicide bombings in some capacity".


I'm not supporting suicide bombing in any capacity, but growing up, the most noble sacrifice portrayed in military media was participation in the suicide mission.

So generally, the vast majority of Americans probably support suicide missions, as long as they agree with the objective.
2013-04-12 10:25:32 AM
1 votes:

hdhale: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Because a nation ruled by its religious principles always does well right?

*stares at the evangelical right

In 1950 it was possible to load up with enough firearms and ammunition, purchased by mail order (without a background check) to repeat any mass murder committed in the 20 years.

Yet people didn't do it.  Back then, going to church on Sunday or synagog on Saturday was considered something you just did--it was expected and the vast majority of Americans worshiped God, put out religious displays on government property, and were not ambivalent about it.

Tell me more about how far we have progressed culturally as a nation since, given increased the increased secularization of society.


Why tell you when I can show you?
thepublicintellectual.org
I know I'm feeding the troll here, but I figured it's nice to put things into context.
Do I also need to point out that there are other countries which are far more secular than the U.S. that have lower crime rates?
2013-04-12 10:15:39 AM
1 votes:

macadamnut: Thank God you can always go to a NASCAR race to get recharged.


Well you used to anyway, they switched to unleaded a few years back, and Formula racing has been lead free since the mid 90's.

I think dragsters still use forms of leaded fuel though.
2013-04-12 10:15:00 AM
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Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Carn: In before wholesome Christians righteously denounce Islam.

FYI, you don't have to be an Xtian to denounce Islam.

I was being facetious.  I agree that you don't have to be a Christian to denounce Islam, you probably just have to be an idiot.


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2013-04-12 10:13:53 AM
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Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Carn: In before wholesome Christians righteously denounce Islam.

FYI, you don't have to be an Xtian to denounce Islam.

I was being facetious.  I agree that you don't have to be a Christian to denounce Islam, you probably just have to be an idiot.


Go spend a couple weeks in an Islamic republic, perhaps Yemen, and report back on your experiences with everyday, good old boy, non-radical Muslims. We'll wait...
2013-04-12 10:13:20 AM
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The central tenet of Islam sure seems to be "death to the infidels". Religion of peace my ass.
2013-04-12 10:08:07 AM
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hdhale: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Because a nation ruled by its religious principles always does well right?

*stares at the evangelical right

In 1950 it was possible to load up with enough firearms and ammunition, purchased by mail order (without a background check) to repeat any mass murder committed in the 20 years.

Yet people didn't do it.  Back then, going to church on Sunday or synagog on Saturday was considered something you just did--it was expected and the vast majority of Americans worshiped God, put out religious displays on government property, and were not ambivalent about it.

Tell me more about how far we have progressed culturally as a nation since, given increased the increased secularization of society.


Your argument is a bit muddy.  Are you suggesting that religious belief was a factor that made people less violent?  Or that God himself protected the nation from lunatics because people were more "pious"?  Please clarify!
2013-04-12 10:08:02 AM
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Oldiron_79: Well in all fairness I'm sure there was quite a few theocratic canidates offed by Comrades Stalin and Mao.


I doubt it. Religious leaders? Yes, I'm sure there were lots, but candidates for political positions who wanted to create a theocratic government? Highly doubtful.
2013-04-12 10:04:30 AM
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hdhale: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Because a nation ruled by its religious principles always does well right?

*stares at the evangelical right

In 1950 it was possible to load up with enough firearms and ammunition, purchased by mail order (without a background check) to repeat any mass murder committed in the 20 years.

Yet people didn't do it.  Back then, going to church on Sunday or synagog on Saturday was considered something you just did--it was expected and the vast majority of Americans worshiped God, put out religious displays on government property, and were not ambivalent about it.

Tell me more about how far we have progressed culturally as a nation since, given increased the increased secularization of society.


If you look at per capita stats, crime in the U.S. has been steadily dropping for the last 20 years.
2013-04-12 10:01:49 AM
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monoski: Joe Blowme: Luminaro: What a bunch of A-holes.  The people with farked up majority views of their religion all need to get infested with a paralyzing disease... Think how peaceful the world would be with no one angry at other people for not worshipping who they worship.

Islam is awsome

Taliban is not Islam they are an extremist faction. Try not generalize, it makes you look stupid (especially with spelling errors)


Wow, you just have no clue about islam. Know how i know you have never been to an islamic run country or read the koran?

US muslims are the most "moderate" yet " 25% of US Muslims under 30 support suicide bombings in some capacity".
2013-04-12 09:57:46 AM
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hdhale: Tell me more about how far we have progressed culturally as a nation since, given increased the increased secularization of society.


Everyone loves to blame culture and secularization for violence in the nation but the truth may be it actually came from a far more simpler thing.

Lead. As lead levels have decreased in the last 30 years so to have we seen a steady decline in violence and crime, with the largest swing being generational after the removal of lead from fuel for autos. So the reality may be that culture has nothing to do with the amount of violence we have as that has seen a steady decline, even shootings (although remaining steady as a percentage of violent crime), and that Nixon's legacy may go down as one of the great presidents, having presided over the creation of the EPA.
2013-04-12 09:52:35 AM
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As i understand it, Pakistan is acutally run by two groups: the government and the military. The government is full of whack jobs and the military has control of their nukes. And we like it that way because if the whackjobs in the government had the nukes too, they would make Lil Kim in Best Korea seem stable and well grounded by comparison.
2013-04-12 09:50:59 AM
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Joe Blowme: Luminaro: What a bunch of A-holes.  The people with farked up majority views of their religion all need to get infested with a paralyzing disease... Think how peaceful the world would be with no one angry at other people for not worshipping who they worship.

Islam is awsome


Taliban is not Islam they are an extremist faction. Try not generalize, it makes you look stupid (especially with spelling errors)
2013-04-12 09:49:39 AM
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Carn: In before wholesome Christians righteously denounce Islam.


FYI, you don't have to be an Xtian to denounce Islam.
2013-04-12 09:46:03 AM
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Isn't Pakistan a democratic country? If so the Taliban just declared war on the government.
2013-04-12 09:44:48 AM
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the_foo: If they like fire and brimstone so much, we might as well send more drones to deliver it. The sooner all these jihadi savages are dead, the sooner the rest of Pakistan and the world can have peace.


Because nothing says peace like a foreign nation raining death from the skies
2013-04-12 09:41:15 AM
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What a bunch of A-holes.  The people with farked up views of their religion all need to get infested with a paralyzing disease... Think how peaceful the world would be with no one angry at other people for not worshipping who they worship.
2013-04-12 09:32:43 AM
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In before wholesome Christians righteously denounce Islam.
2013-04-12 09:32:39 AM
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This is why we need to get God back into Pakistani politics.
2013-04-12 09:02:59 AM
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sgnilward: Republicans intrigued by this new strategy.


Paul Wellstone.
 
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