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(NJ.com)   New Jersey assemblywoman wants to ban violent video games from public places like bowling alleys and movie theaters. Our long Mortal Kombat nightmare is nearly over   (nj.com) divider line 160
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2013-04-12 09:11:49 AM
For some of us it will never be over. You weren't there, man. You didn't pump in quarter after quarter after quarter only to have Shang Tsung kick your ass again and again.

/the fireballs...the fireballs
 
2013-04-12 09:21:46 AM
Hey dummy this was already ruled unconstitutional by the supreme Court, try and pay attention
 
2013-04-12 09:22:00 AM
wow, that last storm really pushed a lot of sand in some very stinky places.
 
2013-04-12 09:22:32 AM
Can we still have Night Trap?
 
2013-04-12 09:23:55 AM
Can't we just ban politicians from public places?
 
2013-04-12 09:24:03 AM
New Jersey?  Are you kidding?  They see more violence driving to Wal Mart that I see in 10 hours of Borderlands.
 
2013-04-12 09:25:25 AM
It would be perfectly reasonable to require parental supervision in areas with games like this.
 
2013-04-12 09:26:52 AM

Sybarite: For some of us it will never be over. You weren't there, man. You didn't pump in quarter after quarter after quarter only to have Shang Tsung kick your ass again and again.

/the fireballs...the fireballs


You knew the minute that someone picked Scorpion you were farked
 
2013-04-12 09:27:14 AM

ElwoodCuse: Hey dummy this was already ruled unconstitutional by the supreme Court, try and pay attention


Citation?
 
2013-04-12 09:27:40 AM

computerguyUT: New Jersey?  Are you kidding?  They see more violence driving to Wal Mart that I see in 10 hours of Borderlands.


delusional is not stereotype, it's delusional.

please resubmit with low hanging fruit comment on NJ pollution/air quality while ignoring that the manufacturing base of the state was a major benefactor to the growth of the nation. amazingly, pollution is an side effect of industry.
 
2013-04-12 09:28:15 AM

mrshowrules: It would be perfectly reasonable to require parental supervision in areas with games like this.


1/10
 
2013-04-12 09:28:50 AM

mrshowrules: It would be perfectly reasonable to require parental supervision in areas with games like this.


Parents don't supervise their kids at home playing these games, so I doubt that'd work. Does anyone parent anymore? Or is it more of a "JWoww and Bieber will do it for me" kinda mentality we have going on...
 
2013-04-12 09:29:00 AM
Well, I think we found a person who wants to kill the last remaining arcades
 
2013-04-12 09:29:43 AM
Well, violent crime has been on a dramatic rise lately...what's that?  It's been on a decline for decades?  But, but, porn and video games are teh debil!!
 
2013-04-12 09:30:40 AM
That brings me back to my youth, we'd go and play Pac-man and Galaga for hours and so many quarters spent that we resolved to the casual dumpster diving for old bottles and cans, which of course degenerated into the odd mugging and hostage taking.  But it was a simpler time, and when the next generation of games with more realistic graphics came about, we no longer could contain ourselves from the decapitations for fun on our way home.  I have to admit that I miss Timmy, who'd sit on top of this thing we built, where he'd tip the barrels over to try and trip us, and how we'd laugh as we'd hit him with a hammer until he feel off of it.
 
2013-04-12 09:31:08 AM
This is why we need to get God back into New Jersey bowling alleys and movie theaters.
 
2013-04-12 09:32:12 AM
This is the kind of person that calls all video games "Mario."
 
2013-04-12 09:33:56 AM
that she plans to introduce legislation soon that would prohibit amusement parks, movie theaters,  movie theaters,  movie theaters,

Nothing violent ever happens there!
 
2013-04-12 09:34:43 AM
 
2013-04-12 09:35:36 AM
meh, as long as I can still slam beers playing this I don't care:

www.arcade-museum.com
 
2013-04-12 09:35:58 AM
I hear in Canada Mortal Kombat was outlawed because so many people were allying themselves with Elder Gods and ripping people's heads off.
 
2013-04-12 09:36:05 AM
To paraphrase George Carlin "they want to ban fake guns and keep the farking real ones."
 
2013-04-12 09:36:07 AM
Also, I'm waiting for her to want a ban on heavy metal music

/I can only dream of a repeat from Dee Snider
 
2013-04-12 09:38:44 AM
media.nj.com

She looks biatchy
 
2013-04-12 09:40:23 AM
Her next bill is to censor those lewd vaudeville street performers.
 
2013-04-12 09:41:30 AM

dwade: To paraphrase George Carlin "they want to ban fake guns and keep the farking real ones."




Its New Jersey.
They already took the real ones, the fake ones are all that's left.

/Then they come for the soda and Trans-fats.
/They'd go after the criminals, but those guys are armed to the teeth.
 
2013-04-12 09:43:26 AM

Gergesa: I hear in Canada Mortal Kombat was outlawed because so many people were allying themselves with Elder Gods and ripping people's heads off.


I can confirm this rumour. The game warped our young, impressionable minds to a terrible extent. Now, whenever I perform oral sex on a man I hear the words "FINISH HIM" booming inside my brain.

www.empireonline.com
 
2013-04-12 09:44:28 AM
Sigh... why am I not surprised by the fact that she has a D by her name?

Dear Democratic Legislators,

This topic has been proven time and again to be irrelevant, please drop the subject for crying out loud.

oh, and while i'm at it...

Dear Republican Legislators,

Boobies and naked parts are of no harm to anyone...


One group wants to ban violence, the other wants to ban sex... If they both got their way there would literally be nothing but "reality" TV left as entertainment in this country...

Western story-telling is driven by one thing: Conflict, of which violence and sex are a big part of... This goes all the way back to stories like Beowulf, The Odyssey, The Epic of Gilgamesh, hell even the damn Bible has violence and sex as a source of conflict to drive the characters...
 
2013-04-12 09:46:04 AM

ElwoodCuse: Hey dummy this was already ruled unconstitutional by the supreme Court, try and pay attention


Since when do liberals care about supreme case precedent?
 
2013-04-12 09:46:20 AM
Any game with a firearm in it, including the hunting simulators, should require a background check in the same database as the democrats are proposing for gun purchases. Let's not forget the Connecticut shooter honed his assault tactics with Call of Duty and Warcraft. And if it doesn't happen this round, you better believe it will next time the repubs control the government and another shooting happens. Turnabout is fair play, you dumbass rights-stripping liberals.
 
2013-04-12 09:46:22 AM
I spent a fair amount of my paper route money on Dragon's Lair, Space Ace, and Karate Champ.  Then Gauntlet and Double Dragon.  I could probably feed an entire 3rd world nation with the money I spent in those stupid bowling alleys.  It never made me violent.  Kids in marching band me violent.
 
2013-04-12 09:47:08 AM

miss diminutive: Gergesa: I hear in Canada Mortal Kombat was outlawed because so many people were allying themselves with Elder Gods and ripping people's heads off.

I can confirm this rumour. The game warped our young, impressionable minds to a terrible extent. Now, whenever I perform oral sex on a man I hear the words "FINISH HIM" booming inside my brain.

[www.empireonline.com image 850x161]


if i could make your posts any greener i would...

this is why i love your brain
 
2013-04-12 09:47:11 AM

miss diminutive: I can confirm this rumour. The game warped our young, impressionable minds to a terrible extent. Now, whenever I perform oral sex on a man I hear the words "FINISH HIM" booming inside my brain.


I'm not saying I'd pay good money for this, but I'd pay good money for this
 
2013-04-12 09:47:31 AM
New Jersey Monday Night Raw Crowd, Start SINGING!

https://twitter.com/Nick_Mondi_24/status/321468766045220864/photo/1

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2013-04-12 09:47:56 AM

miss diminutive: Gergesa: I hear in Canada Mortal Kombat was outlawed because so many people were allying themselves with Elder Gods and ripping people's heads off.

I can confirm this rumour. The game warped our young, impressionable minds to a terrible extent. Now, whenever I perform oral sex on a man I hear the words "FINISH HIM" booming inside my brain.

[www.empireonline.com image 850x161]


GET OVER HERE
 
2013-04-12 09:48:03 AM

CeroX: Dear Democratic Legislators,

This topic has been proven time and again to be irrelevant, please drop the subject for crying out loud.

oh, and while i'm at it...

Dear Republican Legislators,

Boobies and naked parts are of no harm to anyone...


Please don't give Chris Christie any ideas.
 
2013-04-12 09:48:13 AM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Toasty!

/In related news....Interplay games are 50% off at GOG!
 
2013-04-12 09:49:41 AM

WhoopAssWayne: Any game with a firearm in it, including the hunting simulators, should require a background check in the same database as the democrats are proposing for gun purchases. Let's not forget the Connecticut shooter honed his assault tactics with Call of Duty and Warcraft. And if it doesn't happen this round, you better believe it will next time the repubs control the government and another shooting happens. Turnabout is fair play, you dumbass rights-stripping liberals.


eh... 1/10

a single point awarded for "rights-stripping"
 
2013-04-12 09:51:01 AM

Silly Jesus: mrshowrules: It would be perfectly reasonable to require parental supervision in areas with games like this.

1/10


So now I'm trolling.  Violent video games in terms of access to kids should be treated no differently than porn.  A kid should not be able to walk up to a TV screen in a mall and watch porn then or see video game or movie representing recreational murder.

If you are a parent and want to rent porn for you kids or Mortal Kombat, go for it.  Otherwise a State/City by-law putting rules on these games being played/viewed in public is perfectly reasonable.
 
2013-04-12 09:52:01 AM
But they're still cool with Dig-Dug, right?

/dragons need dyin'...
 
2013-04-12 09:52:34 AM
I've long said the national violence and obesity epidemics could be solved simply by getting ridding our movie theaters of the scourge that is Ms Pac Man.

/Seriously has no idea what to expect to find in a modern arcade. Last time I even touched one of those machines it was X-Men vs. Street Fighter II.
 
2013-04-12 09:53:16 AM

MichiganFTL: mrshowrules: It would be perfectly reasonable to require parental supervision in areas with games like this.

Parents don't supervise their kids at home playing these games, so I doubt that'd work. Does anyone parent anymore? Or is it more of a "JWoww and Bieber will do it for me" kinda mentality we have going on...


I have two kids and we are very careful.  I don't shield them from everything but I never let them use the computer or TV unsupervised without the proper controls.
 
2013-04-12 09:53:28 AM
Mortal Kombat doesn't make people violent.  You know what does?  Golden Tee Golf.
 
2013-04-12 09:55:10 AM

Dr Dreidel: miss diminutive: Gergesa: I hear in Canada Mortal Kombat was outlawed because so many people were allying themselves with Elder Gods and ripping people's heads off.

I can confirm this rumour. The game warped our young, impressionable minds to a terrible extent. Now, whenever I perform oral sex on a man I hear the words "FINISH HIM" booming inside my brain.

[www.empireonline.com image 850x161]

GET OVER HERE


Makes me want to see a porn parody of the game...

I wonder if they made one of those porn satires for Mortal Kombat yet... They used to make up silly alternate names like "Mortal Kumbat" but for the last couple of years it seems they just put the original movie title with "A XXX Satire" right below it...

/would give Sonia a couple up tongue uppercuts followed by a finishing move to the face
 
2013-04-12 09:56:40 AM

miss diminutive: Gergesa: I hear in Canada Mortal Kombat was outlawed because so many people were allying themselves with Elder Gods and ripping people's heads off.

I can confirm this rumour. The game warped our young, impressionable minds to a terrible extent. Now, whenever I perform oral sex on a man I hear the words "FINISH HIM" booming inside my brain.

[www.empireonline.com image 850x161]


Just don't get overexcited and break the joystick.
 
2013-04-12 09:57:37 AM

CeroX: They used to make up silly alternate names like "Mortal Kumbat" but for the last couple of years it seems they just put "This ain't" and the original movie title with "A XXX Satire" right below it...


FTFY. And you're right, all of the creativity has gone out of porn titles.
 
2013-04-12 09:58:56 AM

abhorrent1: [media.nj.com image 380x308]

She looks biatchy


Looks like a smoker too. Is smoking banned up there yet? What about the children?
 
2013-04-12 09:59:34 AM

mrshowrules: Silly Jesus: mrshowrules: It would be perfectly reasonable to require parental supervision in areas with games like this.

1/10

So now I'm trolling.  Violent video games in terms of access to kids should be treated no differently than porn.  A kid should not be able to walk up to a TV screen in a mall and watch porn then or see video game or movie representing recreational murder.

If you are a parent and want to rent porn for you kids or Mortal Kombat, go for it.  Otherwise a State/City by-law putting rules on these games being played/viewed in public is perfectly reasonable.


Then be a farking parent and ensure your kid isn't watching this. Commercial establishments are not responsible for your crotchfruit, no matter how much you wish they were.

Guess what? When I was a kid and had to go into a gas station, my eyes always went to the dirty magazine rack. My mom would grab my hand and pull me away so I couldn't figure out what was behind the wrapping. That's parenting. If you don't want your kids to look at violent games or porn, then be a farking parent and make sure they can't see it.
 
2013-04-12 09:59:54 AM

Theaetetus: FTFY. And you're right, all of the creativity has gone out of porn titles.


Listen, when the wife runs out to the store I don't know if I have 5 minutes or 30 so I need my porn to just get down to business
 
2013-04-12 10:00:49 AM

Guns n' Farkin Roses: playing this
[posted image]


Good news! It's now a Windows 8 app, you can play to your hearts content from the comfort of your home!
 
2013-04-12 10:01:17 AM

PanicMan: Mortal Kombat doesn't make people violent.  You know what does?  Golden Tee Golf.


So much this!

or this game.

pcae.vg-network.com
farking tsetse flies!
 
2013-04-12 10:01:55 AM

PanicMan: Mortal Kombat doesn't make people violent.  You know what does?  Golden Tee Golf.


That's mostly because it's really drunk frat guys that tend to play that game...

Back when i was a bartender there was always a line of douche bags with popped collar polos and cotton baseball hats with torn brims waiting to play that game, and they were always shiat faced by the time they got to the game... By 10pm it seemed like it was less about accuracy and more about who could smash the ball the farthest, and that meant who could smack the screen more like a confused gorilla the hardest...
 
2013-04-12 10:02:12 AM
BAN PINBALL!!!!!!

IT IS VIOLENT TO BUMPERS AND FLIPPERS!

OH, WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE BUMPERS AND FLIPPERS!
 
2013-04-12 10:02:24 AM
Can these same bowlings alleys and such show Rated R/NC17 movies on internal TV systems? Also, it seems like such a waste of time, money, and energy, I would hazard to guess a really high % of kids who play "violent" video games at an arcade also have some sort of game system at home.

I don't know about the constitutionality of it. But it don't understand the value of it at all.
 
2013-04-12 10:03:25 AM
Ah, Northern New Jersey. It's pretty much a given that she's on the take.
 
2013-04-12 10:07:14 AM

CeroX: Sigh... why am I not surprised by the fact that she has a D by her name?


I had to check if it was a "D" or an "R."

If it was a Republican, I'd know she was trolling a la Wayne LaPierre.  If it was a Democrat, I'd know she was stupid.

Not sure if trolling or just stupid?  Wonder no more: stupid.  I'd have been disappointed either way.
 
2013-04-12 10:07:22 AM

mrshowrules: Silly Jesus: mrshowrules: It would be perfectly reasonable to require parental supervision in areas with games like this.

1/10

So now I'm trolling.  Violent video games in terms of access to kids should be treated no differently than porn.  A kid should not be able to walk up to a TV screen in a mall and watch porn then or see video game or movie representing recreational murder.

If you are a parent and want to rent porn for you kids or Mortal Kombat, go for it.  Otherwise a State/City by-law putting rules on these games being played/viewed in public is perfectly reasonable.


I like the idea of jailing kids for another reason. They are trully our enemy. Lock them up I say. Your cause is rightous. Carry on good man.
 
2013-04-12 10:08:43 AM

miss diminutive: Gergesa: I hear in Canada Mortal Kombat was outlawed because so many people were allying themselves with Elder Gods and ripping people's heads off.

I can confirm this rumour. The game warped our young, impressionable minds to a terrible extent. Now, whenever I perform oral sex on a man I hear the words "FINISH HIM" booming inside my brain.

[www.empireonline.com image 850x161]


Well now...
 
2013-04-12 10:08:51 AM

mrshowrules: MichiganFTL: mrshowrules: It would be perfectly reasonable to require parental supervision in areas with games like this.

Parents don't supervise their kids at home playing these games, so I doubt that'd work. Does anyone parent anymore? Or is it more of a "JWoww and Bieber will do it for me" kinda mentality we have going on...

I have two kids and we are very careful.  I don't shield them from everything but I never let them use the computer or TV unsupervised without the proper controls.


gonzotown.files.wordpress.com
Good luck with that.
 
2013-04-12 10:09:49 AM

factoryconnection: CeroX: Sigh... why am I not surprised by the fact that she has a D by her name?

I had to check if it was a "D" or an "R."

If it was a Republican, I'd know she was trolling a la Wayne LaPierre.  If it was a Democrat, I'd know she was stupid.

Not sure if trolling or just stupid?  Wonder no more: stupid.  I'd have been disappointed either way.


Both sides of the political aisle have tried to ban video games because it's easy vote pandering
 
2013-04-12 10:10:01 AM

miss diminutive: Gergesa: I hear in Canada Mortal Kombat was outlawed because so many people were allying themselves with Elder Gods and ripping people's heads off.

I can confirm this rumour. The game warped our young, impressionable minds to a terrible extent. Now, whenever I perform oral sex on a man I hear the words "FINISH HIM" booming inside my brain.

[www.empireonline.com image 850x161]


How you doing?

/I've got a whole roll of quarters with your name on it.
 
2013-04-12 10:10:22 AM

computerguyUT: New Jersey?  Are you kidding?  They see more violence driving to Wal Mart that I see in 10 hours of Borderlands.


While on a solo road trip from Florida to New England, I stopped at a Wal-Mart in New Jersey. Your statement is 100% accurate.

/There really is a stench in NJ - I noticed it as I approached the PA/NJ border.
 
2013-04-12 10:11:47 AM

StoPPeRmobile: mrshowrules: MichiganFTL: mrshowrules: It would be perfectly reasonable to require parental supervision in areas with games like this.

Parents don't supervise their kids at home playing these games, so I doubt that'd work. Does anyone parent anymore? Or is it more of a "JWoww and Bieber will do it for me" kinda mentality we have going on...

I have two kids and we are very careful.  I don't shield them from everything but I never let them use the computer or TV unsupervised without the proper controls.

[gonzotown.files.wordpress.com image 436x291]
Good luck with that.


I'm Canadian.  My kids will no how to handle their booze by the time their 15.  The first time they get shiatfaced will be under my roof.
 
2013-04-12 10:11:52 AM

mrshowrules: A kid should not be able to walk up to a TV screen in a mall and watch porn then or see video game or movie representing recreational murder.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-12 10:12:37 AM

mrshowrules: StoPPeRmobile: mrshowrules: MichiganFTL: mrshowrules: It would be perfectly reasonable to require parental supervision in areas with games like this.

Parents don't supervise their kids at home playing these games, so I doubt that'd work. Does anyone parent anymore? Or is it more of a "JWoww and Bieber will do it for me" kinda mentality we have going on...

I have two kids and we are very careful.  I don't shield them from everything but I never let them use the computer or TV unsupervised without the proper controls.

[gonzotown.files.wordpress.com image 436x291]
Good luck with that.

I'm Canadian.  My kids will no how to handle their booze by the time their 15.  The first time they get shiatfaced will be under my roof.


Winning!
 
2013-04-12 10:12:41 AM

StoPPeRmobile: mrshowrules: Silly Jesus: mrshowrules: It would be perfectly reasonable to require parental supervision in areas with games like this.

1/10

So now I'm trolling.  Violent video games in terms of access to kids should be treated no differently than porn.  A kid should not be able to walk up to a TV screen in a mall and watch porn then or see video game or movie representing recreational murder.

If you are a parent and want to rent porn for you kids or Mortal Kombat, go for it.  Otherwise a State/City by-law putting rules on these games being played/viewed in public is perfectly reasonable.

I like the idea of jailing kids for another reason. They are trully our enemy. Lock them up I say. Your cause is rightous. Carry on good man.


Wut?
 
2013-04-12 10:15:15 AM
Why are you guys so against banning violent video games?  I mean, sure, it's not an end-all solution to violence but it's a start.  Look at it this way:  If banning violent video games saves just one child's life, why would you not want to do that?  Why would you not make that sacrifice to ensure that child would live?  If you can't get over your own selfish desires to own useless video games that do nothing but promote violent behavior in order to protect our children, then you are part of the problem.  You have no right to own or play violent video games.
 
2013-04-12 10:15:29 AM

mrshowrules: I'm Canadian. My kids will no how to handle their booze by the time their 15. The first time they get shiatfaced will be under my roof.


Are you shiatfaced right now?
 
2013-04-12 10:17:43 AM

Farce-Side: Why are you guys so against banning violent video games?  I mean, sure, it's not an end-all solution to violence but it's a start.  Look at it this way:  If banning violent video games saves just one child's life, why would you not want to do that?  Why would you not make that sacrifice to ensure that child would live?  If you can't get over your own selfish desires to own useless video games that do nothing but promote violent behavior in order to protect our children, then you are part of the problem.  You have no right to own or play violent video games.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-12 10:18:31 AM

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: I'm Canadian. My kids will no how to handle their booze by the time their 15. The first time they get shiatfaced will be under my roof.

Are you shiatfaced right now?


I'm hoping he'll stop with booze-handling skills and allow someone else to teach them grammar rules.
 
2013-04-12 10:18:40 AM

Farce-Side: Why are you guys so against banning violent video games?  I mean, sure, it's not an end-all solution to violence but it's a start.  Look at it this way:  If banning violent video games saves just one child's life, why would you not want to do that?  Why would you not make that sacrifice to ensure that child would live?  If you can't get over your own selfish desires to own useless video games that do nothing but promote violent behavior in order to protect our children, then you are part of the problem.  You have no right to own or play violent video games.


www.evolvefish.com
 
2013-04-12 10:22:15 AM

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: Silly Jesus: mrshowrules: It would be perfectly reasonable to require parental supervision in areas with games like this.

1/10

So now I'm trolling.  Violent video games in terms of access to kids should be treated no differently than porn.  A kid should not be able to walk up to a TV screen in a mall and watch porn then or see video game or movie representing recreational murder.

If you are a parent and want to rent porn for you kids or Mortal Kombat, go for it.  Otherwise a State/City by-law putting rules on these games being played/viewed in public is perfectly reasonable.

Then be a farking parent and ensure your kid isn't watching this. Commercial establishments are not responsible for your crotchfruit, no matter how much you wish they were.

Guess what? When I was a kid and had to go into a gas station, my eyes always went to the dirty magazine rack. My mom would grab my hand and pull me away so I couldn't figure out what was behind the wrapping. That's parenting. If you don't want your kids to look at violent games or porn, then be a farking parent and make sure they can't see it.


Hey, let's have stripper day at the park while we are at it.  Obviously, a parent needs some controls/mechanisms to protect what there child is exposed to outside of their home.   You have to draw the line somewhere.  Requiring stores to conceal fashion magazines versus not allowing billboards of Sasha Grey getting a double-penetration on the side of the high way.

So where do you draw the line.  Society has already determined (more or less) what constitutes mature content which a parent should be able to decide if they want their kid to see or not.  Porn or a movie like Saw for instance won't permit a child under-aged to see it without parental consent.

Basically a law (I suggest is reasonable) seems to be an extension of that principle.  If a child can't (without a parent) walk into a movie theater in a mall and watch this, they shouldn't be able to walk into a video game store or arcade without a parent and watch/play this.  Why is that complicated or unreasonable?
 
2013-04-12 10:22:44 AM
Nice to know that amusement parks, movie theaters, bowling allies, retail stories are public places.
 
2013-04-12 10:22:54 AM

MichiganFTL: mrshowrules: It would be perfectly reasonable to require parental supervision in areas with games like this.

Parents don't supervise their kids at home playing these games, so I doubt that'd work. Does anyone parent anymore? Or is it more of a "JWoww and Bieber will do it for me" kinda mentality we have going on...


THIS. I once saw a mother (and I use the term loosely) buy their son, who looked about 6, Army of Two.

/yes yes I know, anecdotal evidence bla bla bla
 
2013-04-12 10:25:42 AM

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: I'm Canadian. My kids will no how to handle their booze by the time their 15. The first time they get shiatfaced will be under my roof.

Are you shiatfaced right now?


That's how we spell those terms in Canada.  Like "colour" and "honour".  Ya, that's the ticket.   Your racist.
 
2013-04-12 10:29:14 AM

ElwoodCuse: Both sides of the political aisle have tried to ban video games because it's easy vote pandering


Oh, yes, naturally.  I guess I should have said "the rationale" was trolling or just stupid.

AgentKGB: THIS. I once saw a mother (and I use the term loosely) buy their son, who looked about 6, Army of Two.

/yes yes I know, anecdotal evidence bla bla bla


My 5-year-old came home from a sleepover a few months back and he kept saying "Ashoken!  Ashoken!  Sonic Boom!  Sonic Boom!" while doing little kung-fu pantomimes.  The kung-fu was nothing new, but the sound effects sounded oddly familiar.

I finally realized that he was mispronouncing "Hadouken!" because he'd gotten to play "Super Street Fighter IV" at his friend's house.  I was ready for a "come to Jesus" talk with the mother, but it turns out that her ex-husband had mistakenly grabbed it thinking he was getting something else and that she'd returned it to GameStop as soon as she heard them playing it.

But to the ex-husband:  "Seriously, dude, WTF?"
 
2013-04-12 10:30:42 AM
i.imgur.com

Could we print out graphs like this, roll them up and smack politicians on the nose when they open their mouths about violent video games?

 
2013-04-12 10:35:53 AM

mrshowrules: Hey, let's have stripper day at the park while we are at it. Obviously, a parent needs some controls/mechanisms to protect what there child is exposed to outside of their home. You have to draw the line somewhere. Requiring stores to conceal fashion magazines versus not allowing billboards of Sasha Grey getting a double-penetration on the side of the high way.

So where do you draw the line. Society has already determined (more or less) what constitutes mature content which a parent should be able to decide if they want their kid to see or not. Porn or a movie like Saw for instance won't permit a child under-aged to see it without parental consent.

Basically a law (I suggest is reasonable) seems to be an extension of that principle. If a child can't (without a parent) walk into a movie theater in a mall and watch this, they shouldn't be able to walk into a video game store or arcade without a parent and watch/play this. Why is that complicated or unreasonable?


A) The whole "violent videogames make violent children!" argument is completely bunk. There is no association between violent videogames causing violent behavior. Yes, violent people are attracted to violent video games, but non-violent people are just as attracted to them.

B) It is YOUR job as a parent to teach your kids what is right and what is wrong. Not the government. You can only shield your kid for so long. They WILL be exposed to violence in the media and in real life. They WILL be exposed to sex, drugs, and rock & roll. If your child is negatively affected by any of those things, that falls entirely into your lap as a parent.

I've played hundreds of violent video games, watched thousands of hours of violent TV shows/movies, read thousands of pages of violent books, yet have never been violent toward a single person. You can't explain that!
 
2013-04-12 10:40:08 AM

mrshowrules: scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: Silly Jesus: mrshowrules: It would be perfectly reasonable to require parental supervision in areas with games like this.

1/10

So now I'm trolling.  Violent video games in terms of access to kids should be treated no differently than porn.  A kid should not be able to walk up to a TV screen in a mall and watch porn then or see video game or movie representing recreational murder.

If you are a parent and want to rent porn for you kids or Mortal Kombat, go for it.  Otherwise a State/City by-law putting rules on these games being played/viewed in public is perfectly reasonable.

Then be a farking parent and ensure your kid isn't watching this. Commercial establishments are not responsible for your crotchfruit, no matter how much you wish they were.

Guess what? When I was a kid and had to go into a gas station, my eyes always went to the dirty magazine rack. My mom would grab my hand and pull me away so I couldn't figure out what was behind the wrapping. That's parenting. If you don't want your kids to look at violent games or porn, then be a farking parent and make sure they can't see it.

Hey, let's have stripper day at the park while we are at it.  Obviously, a parent needs some controls/mechanisms to protect what there child is exposed to outside of their home.   You have to draw the line somewhere.  Requiring stores to conceal fashion magazines versus not allowing billboards of Sasha Grey getting a double-penetration on the side of the high way.

So where do you draw the line.  Society has already determined (more or less) what constitutes mature content which a parent should be able to decide if they want their kid to see or not.  Porn or a movie like Saw for instance won't permit a child under-aged to see it without parental consent.

Basically a law (I suggest is reasonable) seems to be an extension of that principle.  If a child can't (without a parent) walk into a movie theater in a mall and watch this, they shouldn't be able ...


Show evidence of harm (a link to a study will do) before you go an enact a law because it makes you feel better.
 
2013-04-12 10:40:14 AM

factoryconnection: ElwoodCuse: Both sides of the political aisle have tried to ban video games because it's easy vote pandering

Oh, yes, naturally.  I guess I should have said "the rationale" was trolling or just stupid.

AgentKGB: THIS. I once saw a mother (and I use the term loosely) buy their son, who looked about 6, Army of Two.

/yes yes I know, anecdotal evidence bla bla bla

My 5-year-old came home from a sleepover a few months back and he kept saying "Ashoken!  Ashoken!  Sonic Boom!  Sonic Boom!" while doing little kung-fu pantomimes.  The kung-fu was nothing new, but the sound effects sounded oddly familiar.

I finally realized that he was mispronouncing "Hadouken!" because he'd gotten to play "Super Street Fighter IV" at his friend's house.  I was ready for a "come to Jesus" talk with the mother, but it turns out that her ex-husband had mistakenly grabbed it thinking he was getting something else and that she'd returned it to GameStop as soon as she heard them playing it.

But to the ex-husband:  "Seriously, dude, WTF?"


Eh? you had a problem with your 6 yr old playing street fighter? seriously?
 
2013-04-12 10:41:25 AM

factoryconnection: ElwoodCuse: Both sides of the political aisle have tried to ban video games because it's easy vote pandering

Oh, yes, naturally.  I guess I should have said "the rationale" was trolling or just stupid.

AgentKGB: THIS. I once saw a mother (and I use the term loosely) buy their son, who looked about 6, Army of Two.

/yes yes I know, anecdotal evidence bla bla bla

My 5-year-old came home from a sleepover a few months back and he kept saying "Ashoken!  Ashoken!  Sonic Boom!  Sonic Boom!" while doing little kung-fu pantomimes.  The kung-fu was nothing new, but the sound effects sounded oddly familiar.

I finally realized that he was mispronouncing "Hadouken!" because he'd gotten to play "Super Street Fighter IV" at his friend's house.  I was ready for a "come to Jesus" talk with the mother, but it turns out that her ex-husband had mistakenly grabbed it thinking he was getting something else and that she'd returned it to GameStop as soon as she heard them playing it.

But to the ex-husband:  "Seriously, dude, WTF?"


What in the world did he think he was renting? I could understand if it was... "I went to rent a kid's game and the guy behind the counter screwed up and put the wrong disk in the case". I've had that happen before.
 
2013-04-12 10:49:43 AM

scottydoesntknow: Farce-Side: Why are you guys so against banning violent video games?  I mean, sure, it's not an end-all solution to violence but it's a start.  Look at it this way:  If banning violent video games saves just one child's life, why would you not want to do that?  Why would you not make that sacrifice to ensure that child would live?  If you can't get over your own selfish desires to own useless video games that do nothing but promote violent behavior in order to protect our children, then you are part of the problem.  You have no right to own or play violent video games.

[www.evolvefish.com image 350x212]


Ever try to find a scholarly source for that quote?

I have'nt.
 
2013-04-12 10:53:38 AM

KrispyKritter: computerguyUT: New Jersey?  Are you kidding?  They see more violence driving to Wal Mart that I see in 10 hours of Borderlands.

delusional is not stereotype, it's delusional.

please resubmit with low hanging fruit comment on NJ pollution/air quality while ignoring that the manufacturing base of the state was a major benefactor to the growth of the nation. amazingly, pollution is an side effect of industry.


The very existence of Snooki and the rest of the genetic garbage from Jersey Shore completely negates any good that may have come out of New Jersey in the past.
 
2013-04-12 10:55:58 AM

taxandspend: Farce-Side: Why are you guys so against banning violent video gamesguns?  I mean, sure, it's not an end-all solution to violence but it's a start.  Look at it this way:  If banning violent video games gunssaves just one child's life, why would you not want to do that?  Why would you not make that sacrifice to ensure that child would live?  If you can't get over your own selfish desires to own useless video games  gunsthat do nothing but promote violent behavior America's violent gun culturein order to protect our children, then you are part of the problem.  You have no right to own or play violent video games (Except for that first amendment thingy as interrupted by the SCOTUS).


Wow, SCOTUS is interrupting amendments now?

But yea, that was kind of the point.  You know, that whole second amendment thingy, as interpreted by the SCOTUS?  Your way sounds just as ridiculous as mine.
 
2013-04-12 11:02:37 AM

WhoopAssWayne: Any game with a firearm in it, including the hunting simulators, should require a background check in the same database as the democrats are proposing for gun purchases. Let's not forget the Connecticut shooter honed his assault tactics with Call of Duty and Warcraft. And if it doesn't happen this round, you better believe it will next time the repubs control the government and another shooting happens. Turnabout is fair play, you dumbass rights-stripping liberals.


Warcraft? Was he a Night Elf Mohawk?
 
2013-04-12 11:02:53 AM

PanicMan: Mortal Kombat doesn't make people violent.  You know what does?  Golden Tee Golf.


Why the hell is Golden Tee Golf always alarmingly close to the dart board?

Am I going to the wrong bars?
 
2013-04-12 11:02:58 AM

scottydoesntknow: A) The whole "violent videogames make violent children!" argument is completely bunk. There is no association between violent videogames causing violent behavior. Yes, violent people are attracted to violent video games, but non-violent people are just as attracted to them.


Possibly but that doesn't matter.  It should be up to the parent.  Depends on the kids too.  I may not think it will make my kid into a murderer but I think there is content they are not ready for me to discuss with them yet in a way they can understand.  Took my son to the war museum the other day.  I had the time to discuss the important themes we saw.   If I'm walking around a mall and my son sees a scene of someone being tortured, I don't appreciate that and if it is being "represented" as a public place, it should be subject to rules related to what a kid can see without a parents approval.  You want to zone it as an adult area/business, that is fine.  Places in Europe has entire parts of the city off limits to children.  You can have adult malls if you want.  That's fine also but if you want to benefit from my children and my family as a revenue source by being a "general public" place, you have rules you should comply with

B) It is YOUR job as a parent to teach your kids what is right and what is wrong. Not the government. You can only shield your kid for so long. They WILL be exposed to violence in the media and in real life. They WILL be exposed to sex, drugs, and rock & roll. If your child is negatively affected by any of those things, that falls entirely into your lap as a parent.

I know what my job is.  The world and society is violent and I try and teach my children this lesson as they grow up.  There are lots of examples of it everyday (real life examples).  Entertainment as a concentration of violence and sex for the purposes of titillation does not reflect the nature of society.


I want Government to empower parents to raise their children the way they want.  Obviously, there are rules on public decency.  Do you think those rules should be repealed?  I'm just looking at applying those same rules consistently.  If flashing your junk in public is illegal, shouldn't a video screen of someone flashing their junk in a public place be illegal also?

I've played hundreds of violent video games, watched thousands of hours of violent TV shows/movies, read thousands of pages of violent books, yet have never been violent toward a single person. You can't explain that!

Same here but we're not all wired the same.
 
2013-04-12 11:07:55 AM

miss diminutive: Gergesa: I hear in Canada Mortal Kombat was outlawed because so many people were allying themselves with Elder Gods and ripping people's heads off.

I can confirm this rumour. The game warped our young, impressionable minds to a terrible extent. Now, whenever I perform oral sex on a man I hear the words "FINISH HIM" booming inside my brain.


You have no idea how relieved I am to know I'm not the only one. I think you made my week.
 
2013-04-12 11:10:01 AM

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: I'm Canadian. My kids will no how to handle their booze by the time their 15. The first time they get shiatfaced will be under my roof.

Are you shiatfaced right now?


No, he's just Canadian.
 
2013-04-12 11:11:39 AM
I go to the movies quite a bit. I mostly just go to the cineplex that's a couple of blocks away, but I've moved around a lot in recent years, travel to visit family, and have been to dozens of theaters with arcades in them. It's been years since I've seen any kids playing games of any kind, let alone violent ones.
 
2013-04-12 11:15:04 AM

Silly Jesus: Show evidence of harm (a link to a study will do) before you go an enact a law because it makes you feel better.


http://www.businessinsider.com/the-first-clear-link-between-violent- vi deo-games-and-hostility-2012-10 

Before dissecting the study.  Who ultimately should determine if it is harmful?  Government or a parent.  Who should draw the line?  Government or a parent?

Would you let your children watch a movie like Saw or Hostile at any age?  Porn?

My point is letting parents decide.  I could give a fark what you decide as a parent for your kids or what you decide for yourself but if a city can determine that determine certain paint colours of storefronts or  hours operation of a business are acceptable or not, it is only reasonable that the could prevent display of mature content to children in public without a parent's consent.
 
2013-04-12 11:16:48 AM

megarian: miss diminutive: Gergesa: I hear in Canada Mortal Kombat was outlawed because so many people were allying themselves with Elder Gods and ripping people's heads off.

I can confirm this rumour. The game warped our young, impressionable minds to a terrible extent. Now, whenever I perform oral sex on a man I hear the words "FINISH HIM" booming inside my brain.

You have no idea how relieved I am to know I'm not the only one. I think you made my week.


Stay strong, sister. See you at the next meeting.

*fistbump*
 
2013-04-12 11:21:03 AM
Pac Man (1980) ==  Acid House (Mid 80's)
M.U.LE. (1983) == Black Monday (1987)
Railroad Tycoon (1990) == Greenock Rail accident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenock_rail_crash ) (1994)
Civilization II (1996) == Bush is elected president (2000)
Mortal Kombat (1992) == Fight Club (1996)
Doom 2 (1994) == Columbine (1999)
Aquaman: Battle for Atlantis (2003) == Deepwater Horizon oil spill (2010)

I'm not just making this crap up, videogames negatively effect (sic) our world and should be regulated if not outright eliminated!

/And if you're thinking of the children, have a seat right over there!
 
2013-04-12 11:28:22 AM
Thanks to Operation Wolf, I have been the instigator of hate crime shooting sprees in all 50 states and Guam.
 
2013-04-12 11:28:59 AM

computerguyUT: New Jersey?  Are you kidding?  They see more violence driving to Wal Mart that I see in 10 hours of Borderlands.


Really? According to what credible source?  Or is this another lame stereotyping troll post?
 
2013-04-12 11:33:49 AM

mrshowrules: scottydoesntknow: A) The whole "violent videogames make violent children!" argument is completely bunk. There is no association between violent videogames causing violent behavior. Yes, violent people are attracted to violent video games, but non-violent people are just as attracted to them.

Possibly but that doesn't matter.  It should be up to the parent.  Depends on the kids too.  I may not think it will make my kid into a murderer but I think there is content they are not ready for me to discuss with them yet in a way they can understand.  Took my son to the war museum the other day.  I had the time to discuss the important themes we saw.   If I'm walking around a mall and my son sees a scene of someone being tortured, I don't appreciate that and if it is being "represented" as a public place, it should be subject to rules related to what a kid can see without a parents approval.  You want to zone it as an adult area/business, that is fine.  Places in Europe has entire parts of the city off limits to children.  You can have adult malls if you want.  That's fine also but if you want to benefit from my children and my family as a revenue source by being a "general public" place, you have rules you should comply with

B) It is YOUR job as a parent to teach your kids what is right and what is wrong. Not the government. You can only shield your kid for so long. They WILL be exposed to violence in the media and in real life. They WILL be exposed to sex, drugs, and rock & roll. If your child is negatively affected by any of those things, that falls entirely into your lap as a parent.

I know what my job is.  The world and society is violent and I try and teach my children this lesson as they grow up.  There are lots of examples of it everyday (real life examples).  Entertainment as a concentration of violence and sex for the purposes of titillation does not reflect the nature of society.

I want Government to empower parents to raise their children the way they want. ...




I wonder how they ever managed to have bloody hand-to-hand wars before video games.
 
2013-04-12 11:44:22 AM

mrshowrules: Silly Jesus: Show evidence of harm (a link to a study will do) before you go an enact a law because it makes you feel better.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-first-clear-link-between-violent- vi deo-games-and-hostility-2012-10 

Before dissecting the study.  Who ultimately should determine if it is harmful?  Government or a parent.  Who should draw the line?  Government or a parent?

Would you let your children watch a movie like Saw or Hostile at any age?  Porn?

My point is letting parents decide.  I could give a fark what you decide as a parent for your kids or what you decide for yourself but if a city can determine that determine certain paint colours of storefronts or  hours operation of a business are acceptable or not, it is only reasonable that the could prevent display of mature content to children in public without a parent's consent.


A city determining paint color is not reasonable...and if your children are seeing it, then it is with your consent.  Don't let them go where they will see such things if you don't want them to see them.  You are trying to transfer the burden of parenting on to the business and the government.  I know that's the liberal way, but shiat.
 
2013-04-12 11:45:48 AM

Farce-Side: Why are you guys so against banning violent video games?  I mean, sure, it's not an end-all solution to violence but it's a start.  Look at it this way:  If banning violent video games saves just one child's life, why would you not want to do that?  Why would you not make that sacrifice to ensure that child would live?  If you can't get over your own selfish desires to own useless video games that do nothing but promote violent behavior in order to protect our children, then you are part of the problem.  You have no right to own or play violent video games.


So what you're saying is that we should outlaw things that have no purpose other than personal enjoyment that can cause harm or even death to a child?

Great, lets outlaw alcohol then.  It serves no purpose other than recreation, and is responsible for destroying the lives of children and families across the nation.  Not maybe, not if-you-squint-your-eyes-and-hop-on-one-foot-sorta, but 100% confirmed happens every single day positive.  It is a proven fact that alcoholism destroys lives and has lead to children being mercilessly beaten to death.

Lets outlaw beer!
 
2013-04-12 11:47:41 AM

StoPPeRmobile: or this game.

pcae.vg-network.com
farking tsetse flies!


You know what pissed me off more than anything about that game? Getting stuck somewhere with that damn parachute open. You couldn't make it go away and you were just stuck on some random mesa.

And the damn flute music. Over and over and over.......
 
2013-04-12 11:52:15 AM
I thought most bowling alleys at this point did the skill cranes and maybe a driving game or two.

I have a lot of childhood memories of going into our local bowling alley to play MK, Street Fighter, pinball and whatever other games they had (Altered Beast and Time Soldiers come to mind). Me and a bunch of other grubby kids would hang around with the few quarters we had to play, and sort of scared the kids who were supposed to be there to bowl in their leagues but were sneaking off to try to play games.

Eventually, the bowling alley instituted a "bowlers only" policy after 6pm, so we were hustled out whenever we tried to stay later.
 
2013-04-12 11:54:50 AM

PanicMan: Mortal Kombat doesn't make people violent.  You know what does?  Golden Tee Golf.


THIS! I think at all the bars Ive been too, IVe seen more pissed off people around a Golden Tee machine and the most laughs at Fighting games and Big Buck Hunter.
 
2013-04-12 11:56:49 AM

Edymnion: Farce-Side: Why are you guys so against banning violent video games?  I mean, sure, it's not an end-all solution to violence but it's a start.  Look at it this way:  If banning violent video games saves just one child's life, why would you not want to do that?  Why would you not make that sacrifice to ensure that child would live?  If you can't get over your own selfish desires to own useless video games that do nothing but promote violent behavior in order to protect our children, then you are part of the problem.  You have no right to own or play violent video games.

So what you're saying is that we should outlaw things that have no purpose other than personal enjoyment that can cause harm or even death to a child?

Great, lets outlaw alcohol then.  It serves no purpose other than recreation, and is responsible for destroying the lives of children and families across the nation.  Not maybe, not if-you-squint-your-eyes-and-hop-on-one-foot-sorta, but 100% confirmed happens every single day positive.  It is a proven fact that alcoholism destroys lives and has lead to children being mercilessly beaten to death.

Lets outlaw beer!


Yea!!! Water too!!!  More kids will drown in water this year than will ever be eaten by bears, so let's get rid of all the water in America!!!!!!one!!!

/Didn't read past that Weeners before the kneejerk, huh?
//I still love all of you, hurt by the cold.
 
2013-04-12 11:59:51 AM

StoPPeRmobile: I wonder how they ever managed to have bloody hand-to-hand wars before video games.


Wars are also the domain of governments.
 
2013-04-12 12:06:13 PM

PacManDreaming: StoPPeRmobile: or this game.

pcae.vg-network.com
farking tsetse flies!

You know what pissed me off more than anything about that game? Getting stuck somewhere with that damn parachute open. You couldn't make it go away and you were just stuck on some random mesa.

And the damn flute music. Over and over and over.......


There's a place in France where the naked ladies dance...

The room with the two prison cells and that sun thing was the one that annoyed me, since it was connected to perhaps the first example of loot farming.
 
2013-04-12 12:15:37 PM

Silly Jesus: A city determining paint color is not reasonable...and if your children are seeing it, then it is with your consent.  Don't let them go where they will see such things if you don't want them to see them.  You are trying to transfer the burden of parenting on to the business and the government.  I know that's the liberal way, but shiat.


Where do you live?  Do you have any idea the type of restrictions zoning other business operating rules impose in a city?  There is some truly repressive shiat going on in main street USA.

Like it or not, the Government already has public decency laws making a parent's job easier that technically infringe on your personal liberties (publicmasturbation for instance).  These laws already exist.

It is already illegal for a kid to go and watch a porno film in an x-rated theater or get a private dance in a strip-club.  Do you think this Constitutes Government raising my kids for me?  Obviously not.

So it is just a matter of where do you draw the line and new media types like violent video games.  Whether the movie with mature content is in a theater, coin operated booth or an arcade machine?  What difference does it make?  If a law assists parents (tax payers) and doesn't really do fark all that affects you, why should you care?  The video games creator isn't impacted.  The First Amendment right isn't a right to have kids view your materiel without parent's consent.
 
2013-04-12 12:20:05 PM

mrshowrules: Silly Jesus: A city determining paint color is not reasonable...and if your children are seeing it, then it is with your consent.  Don't let them go where they will see such things if you don't want them to see them.  You are trying to transfer the burden of parenting on to the business and the government.  I know that's the liberal way, but shiat.

Where do you live?  Do you have any idea the type of restrictions zoning other business operating rules impose in a city?  There is some truly repressive shiat going on in main street USA.

Like it or not, the Government already has public decency laws making a parent's job easier that technically infringe on your personal liberties (publicmasturbation for instance).  These laws already exist.

It is already illegal for a kid to go and watch a porno film in an x-rated theater or get a private dance in a strip-club.  Do you think this Constitutes Government raising my kids for me?  Obviously not.

So it is just a matter of where do you draw the line and new media types like violent video games.  Whether the movie with mature content is in a theater, coin operated booth or an arcade machine?  What difference does it make?  If a law assists parents (tax payers) and doesn't really do fark all that affects you, why should you care?  The video games creator isn't impacted.  The First Amendment right isn't a right to have kids view your materiel without parent's consent.


facepalm.jpg

I tap out.
 
2013-04-12 12:23:03 PM

Sybarite: For some of us it will never be over. You weren't there, man. You didn't pump in quarter after quarter after quarter only to have Shang Tsung kick your ass again and again.

/the fireballs...the fireballs


Only in 2 or 3. Shang Tsung in the first game was so easy that I remember toying with him and accidentally winning. The first game's hard spots were the two-on-one stages and Goro.
 
2013-04-12 12:34:16 PM

mrshowrules: Silly Jesus: A city determining paint color is not reasonable...and if your children are seeing it, then it is with your consent.  Don't let them go where they will see such things if you don't want them to see them.  You are trying to transfer the burden of parenting on to the business and the government.  I know that's the liberal way, but shiat.

Where do you live?  Do you have any idea the type of restrictions zoning other business operating rules impose in a city?  There is some truly repressive shiat going on in main street USA.

Like it or not, the Government already has public decency laws making a parent's job easier that technically infringe on your personal liberties (publicmasturbation for instance).  These laws already exist.

It is already illegal for a kid to go and watch a porno film in an x-rated theater or get a private dance in a strip-club.  Do you think this Constitutes Government raising my kids for me?  Obviously not.

So it is just a matter of where do you draw the line and new media types like violent video games.  Whether the movie with mature content is in a theater, coin operated booth or an arcade machine?  What difference does it make?  If a law assists parents (tax payers) and doesn't really do fark all that affects you, why should you care?   The video games creator isn't impacted.  The First Amendment right isn't a right to have kids view your materiel without parent's consent.


Except for that whole bit about removing their entire source of revenue/income, you're right.
 
2013-04-12 12:46:21 PM
They still make those?
 
2013-04-12 12:52:02 PM

scottydoesntknow: Except for that whole bit about removing their entire source of revenue/income, you're right.


Government isn't removing this revenue/income, it is empowering me as a parent to preventing you from getting my children's money.  I'm exercising my parental rights.

What is your major argument here?  I don't get it.

Let's keep it ultra simple and take a specific example.

I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall.  Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

Are you arguing the right of a Government to do this base on Constitutional grounds?  Or, are you just arguing that it is unnecessary/excessive?  Who are you worried about the rule hurting?  Do you think it is different from a movie theatre?
 
2013-04-12 12:57:13 PM

mrshowrules: Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.



Really? This is the kind of inane bullshiat that we need to involve the government in? Are they going to come over to my house and make sure I take my centrum every morning too?
 
2013-04-12 01:04:54 PM

mrshowrules: I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall. Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.


If you were a good parent, you would be monitoring your child, not the government. That's my whole argument.

Anyway, I'm taking Silly Jesus' stance now.

Silly Jesus: facepalm.jpg

I tap out.

 
2013-04-12 01:09:39 PM

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall. Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

If you were a good parent, you would be monitoring your child, not the government. That's my whole argument.

Anyway, I'm taking Silly Jesus' stance now.

Silly Jesus: facepalm.jpg

I tap out.


I noticed neither of you addressed the R-Rated movie theater example.  Is that the Government raising my children for me also?
 
2013-04-12 01:10:25 PM
I'll paraphrase what the coach/health teacher said in my HS health class:

"Syphillis eats away at your body kind of like Pac Man just chomping away, of course Pac Man was the first video game everybody went crazy over then of course now, you've got all these violent video games making the kids angry and wanting to fight"
 
2013-04-12 01:10:47 PM

Magnanimous_J: mrshowrules: Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.


Really? This is the kind of inane bullshiat that we need to involve the government in? Are they going to come over to my house and make sure I take my centrum every morning too?


Do you think a child should be able to walk into a movie theatre by himself and watch an R-rated or X-rated movie?
 
2013-04-12 01:13:35 PM

mrshowrules: scottydoesntknow: Except for that whole bit about removing their entire source of revenue/income, you're right.

Government isn't removing this revenue/income, it is empowering me as a parent to preventing you from getting my children's money.  I'm exercising my parental rights.

What is your major argument here?  I don't get it.

Let's keep it ultra simple and take a specific example.

I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall.  Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

Are you arguing the right of a Government to do this base on Constitutional grounds?  Or, are you just arguing that it is unnecessary/excessive?  Who are you worried about the rule hurting?  Do you think it is different from a movie theatre?


How about you don't turn your kids loose in the mall?
 
2013-04-12 01:13:40 PM

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall. Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

If you were a good parent, you would be monitoring your child, not the government. That's my whole argument.

Anyway, I'm taking Silly Jesus' stance now.

Silly Jesus: facepalm.jpg

I tap out.


You sound like one of those Fark Independents.
 
2013-04-12 01:15:41 PM

mrshowrules: scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall. Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

If you were a good parent, you would be monitoring your child, not the government. That's my whole argument.

Anyway, I'm taking Silly Jesus' stance now.

Silly Jesus: facepalm.jpg

I tap out.

I noticed neither of you addressed the R-Rated movie theater example.  Is that the Government raising my children for me also?


Pretty much.  If you're going to drop your kid off at the theater and leave then you're turning over their care to the government through their rating system telling the employees to not allow them in.  Or, you could, you know, be a good enough parent to either go with them or to be able to trust them to only go to the movies that you allow.
 
2013-04-12 01:17:14 PM

mrshowrules: Do you think a child should be able to walk into a movie theatre by himself


Here's where the parenting comes in.  That's what people are attempting to get through your head.

If they can't be trusted to only see the movies that you deem appropriate when you aren't around, then they shouldn't be going there without you.  Otherwise, you're handing over the responsibility...
 
2013-04-12 01:20:08 PM

mrshowrules: scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall. Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

If you were a good parent, you would be monitoring your child, not the government. That's my whole argument.

Anyway, I'm taking Silly Jesus' stance now.

Silly Jesus: facepalm.jpg

I tap out.

I noticed neither of you addressed the R-Rated movie theater example.  Is that the Government raising my children for me also?


Because if you knew anything about the American movie ratings system, it's a voluntary system implemented by Hollywood to help parents make decisions. There is nothing governmental about it. You are completely free to bring your crotchfruit to an R-rated movie. And I'm free to glare at you because you're a bad parent who couldnt' get a babysitter and felt "Evil Dead" was a good show for your 5-year-old.

You happy now? It's the theater saying your kid can't go into an R-rated movie unsupervised, not the government. And it's only done to cover their ass so parents don't biatch at them like they're supposed to be guardians.
 
2013-04-12 01:23:56 PM
The only good fatalities were Sub Zero and Scorpion, with special consideration to Raiden...
But Sub Zero's ripping off the head with the spine attached was the best and has never been improved on.
It is a shame too, that they keep getting better graphics and moves yet have never had anything as good as the original.

Ghosts'n Goblins is still my favorite arcade game...
Got to play a couple months ago at Barcade in Philly, drinking beer and whiskey and playing classic vids...
totally awesome....
just need for something else to be legal and have a bar with video games and my childhood fantasy of the ultimate hangout will be complete...
/if boobies or at least girls in short skirts are also available to view in said place...
//must have table hockey too
///dank...
 
2013-04-12 01:34:18 PM

sdkOyOte: The only good fatalities were Sub Zero and Scorpion, with special consideration to Raiden...
But Sub Zero's ripping off the head with the spine attached was the best and has never been improved on.
It is a shame too, that they keep getting better graphics and moves yet have never had anything as good as the original


I will give you that Sub Zero's is the most iconic (simply because it was the most gruesome at the time), and Scorpion's is the most well known because it was the simplest fatality to perform.

But have you seen MK9?! Some of those fatalities are absolutely insane! Kung Lao's probably being the most gruesome. Kung Lao's Buzz Saw Fatality
 
2013-04-12 01:46:43 PM

Silly Jesus: mrshowrules: scottydoesntknow: Except for that whole bit about removing their entire source of revenue/income, you're right.

Government isn't removing this revenue/income, it is empowering me as a parent to preventing you from getting my children's money.  I'm exercising my parental rights.

What is your major argument here?  I don't get it.

Let's keep it ultra simple and take a specific example.

I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall.  Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

Are you arguing the right of a Government to do this base on Constitutional grounds?  Or, are you just arguing that it is unnecessary/excessive?  Who are you worried about the rule hurting?  Do you think it is different from a movie theatre?

How about you don't turn your kids loose in the mall?


I thought you tapped out.  Why are you avoiding the movie theatre question?
 
2013-04-12 01:49:30 PM

scottydoesntknow: Because if you knew anything about the American movie ratings system, it's a voluntary system implemented by Hollywood to help parents make decisions. There is nothing governmental about it.


You mean it is a policy issued and enforced by a privately owned business and local law enforcement can't stand out in the lobby checking ID's making sure everybody is of age!

What kind of crazy world do we live in?!
 
2013-04-12 01:52:00 PM

mrshowrules: Silly Jesus: mrshowrules: scottydoesntknow: Except for that whole bit about removing their entire source of revenue/income, you're right.

Government isn't removing this revenue/income, it is empowering me as a parent to preventing you from getting my children's money.  I'm exercising my parental rights.

What is your major argument here?  I don't get it.

Let's keep it ultra simple and take a specific example.

I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall.  Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

Are you arguing the right of a Government to do this base on Constitutional grounds?  Or, are you just arguing that it is unnecessary/excessive?  Who are you worried about the rule hurting?  Do you think it is different from a movie theatre?

How about you don't turn your kids loose in the mall?

I thought you tapped out.  Why are you avoiding the movie theatre question?


I got bored.

I answered it, more than once.
 
2013-04-12 01:54:02 PM

mrshowrules: Why are you avoiding the movie theatre question?


Why are you avoiding my answer?
 
2013-04-12 01:54:45 PM

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: Why are you avoiding the movie theatre question?

Why are you avoiding my answer?


lol

Ditto.
 
2013-04-12 02:17:56 PM

sdkOyOte: The only good fatalities were Sub Zero and Scorpion, with special consideration to Raiden...
But Sub Zero's ripping off the head with the spine attached was the best and has never been improved on.
It is a shame too, that they keep getting better graphics and moves yet have never had anything as good as the original.

Ghosts'n Goblins is still my favorite arcade game...
Got to play a couple months ago at Barcade in Philly, drinking beer and whiskey and playing classic vids...
totally awesome....
just need for something else to be legal and have a bar with video games and my childhood fantasy of the ultimate hangout will be complete...
/if boobies or at least girls in short skirts are also available to view in said place...
//must have table hockey too
///dank...


cdn4.staztic.com
Besides, Killer Instinct is a way better remake of Karate Champ.
 
2013-04-12 02:26:11 PM

StoPPeRmobile: sdkOyOte: The only good fatalities were Sub Zero and Scorpion, with special consideration to Raiden...
But Sub Zero's ripping off the head with the spine attached was the best and has never been improved on.
It is a shame too, that they keep getting better graphics and moves yet have never had anything as good as the original.

Ghosts'n Goblins is still my favorite arcade game...
Got to play a couple months ago at Barcade in Philly, drinking beer and whiskey and playing classic vids...
totally awesome....
just need for something else to be legal and have a bar with video games and my childhood fantasy of the ultimate hangout will be complete...
/if boobies or at least girls in short skirts are also available to view in said place...
//must have table hockey too
///dank...

[cdn4.staztic.com image 480x320]
Besides, Killer Instinct is a way better remake of Karate Champ.


That looks like CrossBow
 
2013-04-12 02:35:33 PM

caleb4god: Eh? you had a problem with your 6 yr old playing street fighter? seriously?


Yes, I had a problem with my 5-year-old playing a "TEEN" game that is about beating the sh*t out of people.  Seriously.

AgentKGB: What in the world did he think he was renting? I could understand if it was... "I went to rent a kid's game and the guy behind the counter screwed up and put the wrong disk in the case". I've had that happen before.


I was bewildered, too; he either meant to get it or he accidentally grabbed what was next to what he wanted.  I'd honestly rather they not play video games and play outside or do something creative.  He has his whole life to deal with computers later... you only get to "play" when you're young.
 
2013-04-12 02:41:24 PM

muck4doo: StoPPeRmobile: sdkOyOte: The only good fatalities were Sub Zero and Scorpion, with special consideration to Raiden...
But Sub Zero's ripping off the head with the spine attached was the best and has never been improved on.
It is a shame too, that they keep getting better graphics and moves yet have never had anything as good as the original.

Ghosts'n Goblins is still my favorite arcade game...
Got to play a couple months ago at Barcade in Philly, drinking beer and whiskey and playing classic vids...
totally awesome....
just need for something else to be legal and have a bar with video games and my childhood fantasy of the ultimate hangout will be complete...
/if boobies or at least girls in short skirts are also available to view in said place...
//must have table hockey too
///dank...

[cdn4.staztic.com image 480x320]
Besides, Killer Instinct is a way better remake of Karate Champ.

That looks like CrossBow


Crossbow, it is. Aaarrrrgggg.
 
2013-04-12 02:44:20 PM

Silly Jesus: mrshowrules: Do you think a child should be able to walk into a movie theatre by himself

Here's where the parenting comes in.  That's what people are attempting to get through your head.

If they can't be trusted to only see the movies that you deem appropriate when you aren't around, then they shouldn't be going there without you.  Otherwise, you're handing over the responsibility...


I don't see any big problem with a community supporting a parent this way.  If you don't sell kids smokes, whiskey or let him watch porn in your theater, I think parents would appreciate the assist but don't delude yourself that you are raising my children for me.  By definition the freedoms adults enjoy are not freedoms guaranteed to children.

http://adventurechronicles.weebly.com/uploads/9/0/5/1/9051742/970251 5_ orig.png?0
 
2013-04-12 02:45:16 PM
i.imgflip.com
 
2013-04-12 02:50:40 PM

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: Why are you avoiding the movie theatre question?

Why are you avoiding my answer?


 adventurechronicles.weebly.com

Coffee.  I was having a coffee.  I didn't know it wasn't a law but it seems clear that the rules regarding childaccompaniment to adult movies is prettyuniversally applied.  I agree with it.   The end result is a the same.

Communities setting standards for what constitutes public decency is a pretty common issue.  Kids don't have a right to these things.  It is a parental right to keep this type of content away from your own children.   If your biggest issue is Government giving parents an assist in this area, I think that is pretty lame.
 
2013-04-12 02:53:01 PM

Silly Jesus: I answered it, more than once.


I missed that.  You think kids should be allowed to see adult movies without parental accompaniment?
 
2013-04-12 03:05:27 PM

factoryconnection: caleb4god: Eh? you had a problem with your 6 yr old playing street fighter? seriously?

Yes, I had a problem with my 5-year-old playing a "TEEN" game that is about beating the sh*t out of people. Seriously.


That's when you tell your child that these people aren't real, and that it's not okay to do what they're doing to real people. Is it seriously that hard for parents to parent these days?

mrshowrules: Communities setting standards for what constitutes public decency is a pretty common issue. Kids don't have a right to these things. It is a parental right to keep this type of content away from your own children. If your biggest issue is Government giving parents an assist in this area, I think that is pretty lame.


Because it's not the government's job to be your kid's nanny.
 
2013-04-12 03:06:53 PM

scottydoesntknow: But have you seen MK9?! Some of those fatalities are absolutely insane! Kung Lao's probably being the most gruesome. Kung Lao's Buzz Saw Fatality


MK9 - The edition I just got (feb this year) for PS3 is MK Komplete Edition, is same thing?...

Kung Lao - The hat sawing in half then quartering...   definitely worth seeing
The new fatality varieties are kool, not saying I don't like them, its just that nothing has ever been as kool, IMO, as that first one even though the graphics don't compare. It was just so totally brutal...

Still one of my all time favorite time eaters...   though I mostly just run through the challenge tower.

I really like the game play, the flow is good, have not really endeavored into the story mode yet except for the first time I put it in...

/yes I used a k
//just douching it up on a friday i guess
 
2013-04-12 03:08:45 PM

mrshowrules: ElwoodCuse: Hey dummy this was already ruled unconstitutional by the supreme Court, try and pay attention

Citation?


I assume he was refering to Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association...
 
2013-04-12 03:18:28 PM

mrshowrules: Coffee. I was having a coffee. I didn't know it wasn't a law but it seems clear that the rules regarding childaccompaniment to adult movies is prettyuniversally applied. I agree with it. The end result is a the same.


The end result may be the same, but the difference is you aren't breaking the law by doing so and that's a HUUUUUUGE difference. You may be breaking the theater's rules by buying tickets and letting them run free in a theater, which can get you kicked out, but there is no law being broken.

Communities setting standards for what constitutes public decency is a pretty common issue. Kids don't have a right to these things. It is a parental right to keep this type of content away from your own children. If your biggest issue is Government giving parents an assist in this area, I think that is pretty lame.
WRONG. It is a parent's RIGHT to DECIDE whether to keep said content away from their child.

And what you call "assistance" I call intrusion and interference. The government is not my child's parent, I am.
 
2013-04-12 03:18:49 PM
Maybe people should be responsible for themselves, and the people they are legally responsible for (their children) and let the rest of us adults decide if we want to play a violent video game or not.

You don't say...
 
2013-04-12 03:24:54 PM

sdkOyOte: scottydoesntknow: But have you seen MK9?! Some of those fatalities are absolutely insane! Kung Lao's probably being the most gruesome. Kung Lao's Buzz Saw Fatality

MK9 - The edition I just got (feb this year) for PS3 is MK Komplete Edition, is same thing?...

Kung Lao - The hat sawing in half then quartering...   definitely worth seeing
The new fatality varieties are kool, not saying I don't like them, its just that nothing has ever been as kool, IMO, as that first one even though the graphics don't compare. It was just so totally brutal...

Still one of my all time favorite time eaters...   though I mostly just run through the challenge tower.

I really like the game play, the flow is good, have not really endeavored into the story mode yet except for the first time I put it in...

/yes I used a k
//just douching it up on a friday i guess


Yep, same thing.

And I think it was the shock of actually seeing that in a video game that made those original fatalities so amazing.

Story mode is surprisingly well done. It's basically a retelling of the first 3 games, but since you've got the whole Raiden timetravel manipulation thing going on, it changes the story enough to feel fresh. I'd recommend it.
 
2013-04-12 03:29:57 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: mrshowrules: Communities setting standards for what constitutes public decency is a pretty common issue. Kids don't have a right to these things. It is a parental right to keep this type of content away from your own children. If your biggest issue is Government giving parents an assist in this area, I think that is pretty lame.

Because it's not the government's job to be your kid's nanny.


There job is what we tell them it is.  If we don't want our kids exposed to pornographic or violent imagery in public, we can ban it.  It is like you are pretending that Government doesn't already do this or something?  Kids can't buy Hustler magazines?  Can they?

If you can buy your Hustler magazine or buy your kid one, what do you care if local Government bans a store owner form selling it to children?
 
2013-04-12 03:45:13 PM

RobSeace: mrshowrules: ElwoodCuse: Hey dummy this was already ruled unconstitutional by the supreme Court, try and pay attention

Citation?

I assume he was refering to Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association...


Thanks.  I'm reading that now.  I like the comparisons to Borther's Grimm fairy tails and such but first person murder simulators just seem to fall short of that comparison in my mind.

There is some type of disconnect at play here where most people don't think a child should be admitted to a R-rated movie with adult accompaniment but yet it is OK for them to play a game with the same type of content.  I don't get it.  No one wants to ban the content or even ban the content being purchase with the approval of the parent.

I grew-up with the comic book authority code and was well served by it.  Why aren't are kids deserving the same type of checks/controls to help parents.
 
2013-04-12 03:47:09 PM

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: Coffee. I was having a coffee. I didn't know it wasn't a law but it seems clear that the rules regarding childaccompaniment to adult movies is prettyuniversally applied. I agree with it. The end result is a the same.

The end result may be the same, but the difference is you aren't breaking the law by doing so and that's a HUUUUUUGE difference. You may be breaking the theater's rules by buying tickets and letting them run free in a theater, which can get you kicked out, but there is no law being broken.

Communities setting standards for what constitutes public decency is a pretty common issue. Kids don't have a right to these things. It is a parental right to keep this type of content away from your own children. If your biggest issue is Government giving parents an assist in this area, I think that is pretty lame.
WRONG. It is a parent's RIGHT to DECIDE whether to keep said content away from their child.

And what you call "assistance" I call intrusion and interference. The government is not my child's parent, I am.


Who is being interfered with?
 
2013-04-12 03:47:21 PM
The government is allowed to keep kids away from pornography under Ginsberg v New York. This only applies to pornography. They are not constitutionally permitted to block anything else.
 
2013-04-12 03:54:45 PM

ElwoodCuse: The government is allowed to keep kids away from pornography under Ginsberg v New York. This only applies to pornography. They are not constitutionally permitted to block anything else.


Thus restricting the Constitutionally-protected rights of US citizens at the expense of others.

// so why can't we do this with guns, again?
// because bewbees are more dangerouser than guns?
 
2013-04-12 03:56:48 PM

mrshowrules: I grew-up with the comic book authority code and was well served by it. Why aren't are kids deserving the same type of checks/controls to help parents.


You mean the same code that almost destroyed the comic industry? That code? That same code that was NOT a government entity, but instead a voluntary one that actually censored most comics and caused a stagnation in sales? The same code that was abandoned by every publisher because of its draconian rules? THAT code?

mrshowrules: There is some type of disconnect at play here where most people don't think a child should be admitted to a R-rated movie with adult accompaniment but yet it is OK for them to play a game with the same type of content. I don't get it. No one wants to ban the content or even ban the content being purchase with the approval of the parent.


Why are you assuming that the parent who won't let their child see an R-rated movie will give them an M-rated game? If the parent is too stupid or lazy to actually figure out what they are buying their kid then that's their fault.
 
2013-04-12 04:04:24 PM

mrshowrules: Who is being interfered with?


I am. Did you not get that? The government is NOT my child's parent or guardian. They don't get to tell me if my child should or should not watch something.

And please stop bringing up pornography, that's a completely different subject. M-rated games = R-rated movies. If you try to bring up pornography again, I'll point you to the fact that games already have a similar rating with Adults Only, which severly limits distribution as most retailers won't carry it.
 
2013-04-12 04:08:09 PM

mrshowrules: Keizer_Ghidorah: mrshowrules: Communities setting standards for what constitutes public decency is a pretty common issue. Kids don't have a right to these things. It is a parental right to keep this type of content away from your own children. If your biggest issue is Government giving parents an assist in this area, I think that is pretty lame.

Because it's not the government's job to be your kid's nanny.

There Their job is what we tell them it is.  If we don't want our kids exposed to pornographic or violent imagery in public, we can ban it.  It is like you are pretending that Government doesn't already do this or something?  Kids can't buy Hustler magazines?  Can they?

If you can buy your Hustler magazine or buy your kid one, what do you care if local Government bans a store owner form selling it to children?


Dude, you're going all over the place with this. Try to stay on track.

And I don't want YOU deciding to fark things over for ME and MY KIDS. Unlike you, I teach my kids what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and what isn't, and how to act and how not to act towards others. My kids play violent video games and watch violent movies and know that it's fake and doing those things to real people is wrong. They know not to look at the naughty movies and magazines until they're older. They do because I was a parent and did my parental duty.

So take your self-righteous indignation and shove it.
 
2013-04-12 04:13:38 PM

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: I grew-up with the comic book authority code and was well served by it. Why aren't are kids deserving the same type of checks/controls to help parents.

You mean the same code that almost destroyed the comic industry? That code? That same code that was NOT a government entity, but instead a voluntary one that actually censored most comics and caused a stagnation in sales? The same code that was abandoned by every publisher because of its draconian rules? THAT code?

mrshowrules: There is some type of disconnect at play here where most people don't think a child should be admitted to a R-rated movie with adult accompaniment but yet it is OK for them to play a game with the same type of content. I don't get it. No one wants to ban the content or even ban the content being purchase with the approval of the parent.

Why are you assuming that the parent who won't let their child see an R-rated movie will give them an M-rated game? If the parent is too stupid or lazy to actually figure out what they are buying their kid then that's their fault.


If the parent makes that mistake, at least they had a chance to make that mistake or not.  If the kid can buy it himself, they don't even get a kick at the can unless they are surgically attached to the child.

I couldn't buy a Hustler magazine growing up?  Could you?  We managed to get them anyways but that is another story.  My mother worked hard (she wasn't lazy) but raising kids is tough.  If society can assist without impacting your adult rights, why do you care if Government makes it easier for parents to have some control over more extreme content in society?

Do you have kids?
 
2013-04-12 04:19:54 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Dude, you're going all over the place with this. Try to stay on track.

And I don't want YOU deciding to fark things over for ME and MY KIDS.


Nothing in what I propose law would reduce your rights to this content for you or your kids so that is a strawman argument.

 Unlike you, I teach my kids what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and what isn't, and how to act and how not to act towards others.

False assumption.  You have no idea what you are talking about.  Plus, you are being an asshole.

My kids play violent video games and watch violent movies and know that it's fake and doing those things to real people is wrong. They know not to look at the naughty movies and magazines until they're older. They do because I was a parent and did my parental duty.

That's sweet and irrelevant.

So take your self-righteous indignation and shove it.

How have I been self-righteous?  This is a very long thread.  Where have I said that parents are wrong for letting their kids play these games.  I'm merely advocating for the ability of parents to make this decision.  Your post is far more self-righteous then mind.  You claim I don't teach my kid right from wrong?  Do you even presume to know what type of video kids I play with my kids at home.  I think you would be surprised.
 
2013-04-12 04:28:34 PM

mrshowrules: If the parent makes that mistake, at least they had a chance to make that mistake or not. If the kid can buy it himself, they don't even get a kick at the can unless they are surgically attached to the child.

I couldn't buy a Hustler magazine growing up? Could you? We managed to get them anyways but that is another story. My mother worked hard (she wasn't lazy) but raising kids is tough. If society can assist without impacting your adult rights, why do you care if Government makes it easier for parents to have some control over more extreme content in society?

Do you have kids?


Read this loud and clear: CHILDREN UNDER 17 CAN NOT PURCHASE M-RATED GAMES WITHOUT A PARENT, JUST AS THEY CAN NOT PURCHASE R-RATED MOVIE TICKETS WITHOUT A PARENT.

These are not laws, but rules established by retailers and theaters. And they were specifically implemented because shiatty parents think that businesses should be responsible for their children.

And STOP bringing up porn. Again that is a completely different subject and has nothing to do with what we're talking about here. You weaken your argument every time you bring it up. Stop.

And yes, I do have a child. And I make sure I do everything in my power to make sure she only gets exposed to what we want her exposed to. That's the whole job of a parent. I do not and will not throw that responsibility on someone or something else.
 
2013-04-12 04:31:56 PM

mrshowrules: How have I been self-righteous?  This is a very long thread.  Where have I said that parents are wrong for letting their kids play these games.   I'm merely advocating for the ability of parents to make this decision.  Your post is far more self-righteous then mind.  You claim I don't teach my kid right from wrong?  Do you even presume to know what type of video kids I play with my kids at home.  I think you would be surprised.


No you're not! Parents ALREADY have that ability. You're advocating for government intervention in the matter.
 
2013-04-12 04:59:33 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Any game with a firearm in it, including the hunting simulators, should require a background check in the same database as the democrats are proposing for gun purchases. Let's not forget the Connecticut shooter honed his assault tactics with Call of Duty and Warcraft. And if it doesn't happen this round, you better believe it will next time the repubs control the government and another shooting happens. Turnabout is fair play, you dumbass rights-stripping liberals.


Of course, pushing buttons on a video game controller is EXACTLY like handling a weapon, and shooting a gun in a video game is PERFECT for honing actual shooting skills.  My 8 year old has never handled an actual gun, but since he's played with them extensively in video games the next time we have a burglar, I'm tossing him the gun.  Seriously, the kid is deadly with Call of Duty 3 AND Halo.

Yep, that sounds pretty stupid to me too.

Truth is, as mentioned near the end of the article, as violent video games have exploded (har) youth violent crime rates have dropped to 40 year lows.  There is also direct correlation on a country by country basis...the more game play, the lower the level of violence.  Good chance you get it out of your system virtually rather than for real.

There are zero instances of someone who didn't have a bunch of underlying psychoses playing a video game and eventually killing someone.  Every case, like the one you mentioned, was farked up beyond all possible recognition before he ever pushed a button on an xbox controller.  The game didn't inspire him.  The game didn't help him become a more adept shooter.  He was farking nuts already.

By the way, watching violent tv shows (and every kids Y7 cartoon has people shooting, punching and kicking) or even hearing about violence on the evening news evokes the same 'minor temporary increase in aggression' that video games have.  I grew up watching the Three Stooges poke each other in the eyes and hit each other with sledgehammers.  I watched Wile E Coyote get shot, blown up, fall off a cliff, etc.  Somehow I never got around to doing any of that in real life, and I've never known anyone else who did.

You want a valid point to rail on: in each and every single case of a homicidal shooter, EVERYONE in the neighborhood knew the guy was a nut, had a gun, and you often hear "I knew he'd do something like this eventually".  So start a grass roots effort to help people identify the nutjobs in their neighborhood and do something about them before "eventually" comes around.  Eliminating violent video games and movies won't matter, because the evidence that they cause violence is zero.  Background checks and gun control won't help, someone else will buy the guns and there are already 57 bazillion of them flopping around.
 
2013-04-12 05:10:42 PM

mrshowrules: There is some type of disconnect at play here where most people don't think a child should be admitted to a R-rated movie with adult accompaniment but yet it is OK for them to play a game with the same type of content. I don't get it. No one wants to ban the content or even ban the content being purchase with the approval of the parent.


I'm not sure you'll find many people who want young children to play violent video games... Just those who don't think the government should be making laws about it... You mention R-rated movies, and that's exactly what the current situation with video games is like: just like theaters, nearly all game retailers voluntarily enforce age restrictions based on ratings... In fact, game retailers do a much better job at enforcement than movie theaters do... I don't think anyone objects to such voluntary enforcement; they just don't want to see government-imposed required enforcement... Especially when placed only on a specific single medium like video games, while they don't do the same for movies and books... If they were to propose a law targetted at all forms of media, not just one, they'd probably have a better chance at it being found constitutional, though it would still be a tough fight... (And, would require adding new ratings on forms of media without them currently, like books...)
 
2013-04-12 05:18:04 PM

mrshowrules: Silly Jesus: I answered it, more than once.

I missed that.  You think kids should be allowed to see adult movies without parental accompaniment?


I didn't say that. I asked why the kids are there alone.
 
2013-04-12 06:11:17 PM

mrshowrules: Keizer_Ghidorah: Dude, you're going all over the place with this. Try to stay on track.

And I don't want YOU deciding to fark things over for ME and MY KIDS.

Nothing in what I propose law would reduce your rights to this content for you or your kids so that is a strawman argument.


You're demanding the government comply to your idea of morality. This clashes with others' ideas of morality, as well as forces everyone else to follow your rules.

 Unlike you, I teach my kids what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and what isn't, and how to act and how not to act towards others.

False assumption.  You have no idea what you are talking about.  Plus, you are being an asshole.


Considering you seem to not know about this wonderful thing called "parents teaching their children", I think you're the one talking out of your ass. That's because you're unable to comprehend what everyone is telling you.

My kids play violent video games and watch violent movies and know that it's fake and doing those things to real people is wrong. They know not to look at the naughty movies and magazines until they're older. They do because I was a parent and did my parental duty.

That's sweet and irrelevant.


How is it irrelevant? You're crying about the very fact these things exist. I'm telling you that kids can be exposed to them without worry of you do your damned job and teach them the right from the wrong and the fake from the real.

So take your self-righteous indignation and shove it.

How have I been self-righteous?  This is a very long thread.  Where have I said that parents are wrong for letting their kids play these games.  I'm merely advocating for the ability of parents to make this decision.  Your post is far more self-righteous then mind.  You claim I don't teach my kid right from wrong?  Do you even presume to know what type of video kids I play with my kids at home.  I think you would be surprised.


PARENTS ALREADY CAN MAKE THIS DECISION. Jesus Christ and the Twelve Apostles in a clown car.
 
2013-04-12 08:39:03 PM
I seem to remember a senator by the name of Feinstein wanting to ban violent video games also, but seeing how this is fark that story wouldn't have had a chance.
 
2013-04-12 09:08:18 PM
That really sucks, because North Jersey's arcade games are pretty much limited to the bowling alleys and movie theaters. Many arcades closed 5-10 years ago:

Sportsworld (Paramus) shuttered in 2006
Fun N Games (Willowbrook Mall) shuttered in 2007
Great Escape (East Rutherford near Giants Stadium) shuttered-- don't have the time period
Speedway 17 (Upper Saddle River) shuttered in 2001?

So yeah, that's pretty much all there is.

This Digital Press forum thread from 2007 when Fun N Games was closing down is a trip down memory lane for North Jersey arcades.
 
2013-04-13 01:02:06 AM

mrshowrules: There is some type of disconnect at play here where most people don't think a child should be admitted to a R-rated movie with adult accompaniment but yet it is OK for them to play a game with the same type of content.  I don't get it.  No one wants to ban the content or even ban the content being purchase with the approval of the parent.


I don't want the kid admitted with or without their parent because I'm there to watch the movie, not listen to little Kayden prattle on or run around screaming because they got bored playing with mommy's iPad.
 
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