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(NJ.com)   New Jersey assemblywoman wants to ban violent video games from public places like bowling alleys and movie theaters. Our long Mortal Kombat nightmare is nearly over   (nj.com) divider line 160
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2013-04-12 04:19:54 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Dude, you're going all over the place with this. Try to stay on track.

And I don't want YOU deciding to fark things over for ME and MY KIDS.


Nothing in what I propose law would reduce your rights to this content for you or your kids so that is a strawman argument.

 Unlike you, I teach my kids what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and what isn't, and how to act and how not to act towards others.

False assumption.  You have no idea what you are talking about.  Plus, you are being an asshole.

My kids play violent video games and watch violent movies and know that it's fake and doing those things to real people is wrong. They know not to look at the naughty movies and magazines until they're older. They do because I was a parent and did my parental duty.

That's sweet and irrelevant.

So take your self-righteous indignation and shove it.

How have I been self-righteous?  This is a very long thread.  Where have I said that parents are wrong for letting their kids play these games.  I'm merely advocating for the ability of parents to make this decision.  Your post is far more self-righteous then mind.  You claim I don't teach my kid right from wrong?  Do you even presume to know what type of video kids I play with my kids at home.  I think you would be surprised.
 
2013-04-12 04:28:34 PM  

mrshowrules: If the parent makes that mistake, at least they had a chance to make that mistake or not. If the kid can buy it himself, they don't even get a kick at the can unless they are surgically attached to the child.

I couldn't buy a Hustler magazine growing up? Could you? We managed to get them anyways but that is another story. My mother worked hard (she wasn't lazy) but raising kids is tough. If society can assist without impacting your adult rights, why do you care if Government makes it easier for parents to have some control over more extreme content in society?

Do you have kids?


Read this loud and clear: CHILDREN UNDER 17 CAN NOT PURCHASE M-RATED GAMES WITHOUT A PARENT, JUST AS THEY CAN NOT PURCHASE R-RATED MOVIE TICKETS WITHOUT A PARENT.

These are not laws, but rules established by retailers and theaters. And they were specifically implemented because shiatty parents think that businesses should be responsible for their children.

And STOP bringing up porn. Again that is a completely different subject and has nothing to do with what we're talking about here. You weaken your argument every time you bring it up. Stop.

And yes, I do have a child. And I make sure I do everything in my power to make sure she only gets exposed to what we want her exposed to. That's the whole job of a parent. I do not and will not throw that responsibility on someone or something else.
 
2013-04-12 04:31:56 PM  

mrshowrules: How have I been self-righteous?  This is a very long thread.  Where have I said that parents are wrong for letting their kids play these games.   I'm merely advocating for the ability of parents to make this decision.  Your post is far more self-righteous then mind.  You claim I don't teach my kid right from wrong?  Do you even presume to know what type of video kids I play with my kids at home.  I think you would be surprised.


No you're not! Parents ALREADY have that ability. You're advocating for government intervention in the matter.
 
2013-04-12 04:59:33 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Any game with a firearm in it, including the hunting simulators, should require a background check in the same database as the democrats are proposing for gun purchases. Let's not forget the Connecticut shooter honed his assault tactics with Call of Duty and Warcraft. And if it doesn't happen this round, you better believe it will next time the repubs control the government and another shooting happens. Turnabout is fair play, you dumbass rights-stripping liberals.


Of course, pushing buttons on a video game controller is EXACTLY like handling a weapon, and shooting a gun in a video game is PERFECT for honing actual shooting skills.  My 8 year old has never handled an actual gun, but since he's played with them extensively in video games the next time we have a burglar, I'm tossing him the gun.  Seriously, the kid is deadly with Call of Duty 3 AND Halo.

Yep, that sounds pretty stupid to me too.

Truth is, as mentioned near the end of the article, as violent video games have exploded (har) youth violent crime rates have dropped to 40 year lows.  There is also direct correlation on a country by country basis...the more game play, the lower the level of violence.  Good chance you get it out of your system virtually rather than for real.

There are zero instances of someone who didn't have a bunch of underlying psychoses playing a video game and eventually killing someone.  Every case, like the one you mentioned, was farked up beyond all possible recognition before he ever pushed a button on an xbox controller.  The game didn't inspire him.  The game didn't help him become a more adept shooter.  He was farking nuts already.

By the way, watching violent tv shows (and every kids Y7 cartoon has people shooting, punching and kicking) or even hearing about violence on the evening news evokes the same 'minor temporary increase in aggression' that video games have.  I grew up watching the Three Stooges poke each other in the eyes and hit each other with sledgehammers.  I watched Wile E Coyote get shot, blown up, fall off a cliff, etc.  Somehow I never got around to doing any of that in real life, and I've never known anyone else who did.

You want a valid point to rail on: in each and every single case of a homicidal shooter, EVERYONE in the neighborhood knew the guy was a nut, had a gun, and you often hear "I knew he'd do something like this eventually".  So start a grass roots effort to help people identify the nutjobs in their neighborhood and do something about them before "eventually" comes around.  Eliminating violent video games and movies won't matter, because the evidence that they cause violence is zero.  Background checks and gun control won't help, someone else will buy the guns and there are already 57 bazillion of them flopping around.
 
2013-04-12 05:10:42 PM  

mrshowrules: There is some type of disconnect at play here where most people don't think a child should be admitted to a R-rated movie with adult accompaniment but yet it is OK for them to play a game with the same type of content. I don't get it. No one wants to ban the content or even ban the content being purchase with the approval of the parent.


I'm not sure you'll find many people who want young children to play violent video games... Just those who don't think the government should be making laws about it... You mention R-rated movies, and that's exactly what the current situation with video games is like: just like theaters, nearly all game retailers voluntarily enforce age restrictions based on ratings... In fact, game retailers do a much better job at enforcement than movie theaters do... I don't think anyone objects to such voluntary enforcement; they just don't want to see government-imposed required enforcement... Especially when placed only on a specific single medium like video games, while they don't do the same for movies and books... If they were to propose a law targetted at all forms of media, not just one, they'd probably have a better chance at it being found constitutional, though it would still be a tough fight... (And, would require adding new ratings on forms of media without them currently, like books...)
 
2013-04-12 05:18:04 PM  

mrshowrules: Silly Jesus: I answered it, more than once.

I missed that.  You think kids should be allowed to see adult movies without parental accompaniment?


I didn't say that. I asked why the kids are there alone.
 
2013-04-12 06:11:17 PM  

mrshowrules: Keizer_Ghidorah: Dude, you're going all over the place with this. Try to stay on track.

And I don't want YOU deciding to fark things over for ME and MY KIDS.

Nothing in what I propose law would reduce your rights to this content for you or your kids so that is a strawman argument.


You're demanding the government comply to your idea of morality. This clashes with others' ideas of morality, as well as forces everyone else to follow your rules.

 Unlike you, I teach my kids what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and what isn't, and how to act and how not to act towards others.

False assumption.  You have no idea what you are talking about.  Plus, you are being an asshole.


Considering you seem to not know about this wonderful thing called "parents teaching their children", I think you're the one talking out of your ass. That's because you're unable to comprehend what everyone is telling you.

My kids play violent video games and watch violent movies and know that it's fake and doing those things to real people is wrong. They know not to look at the naughty movies and magazines until they're older. They do because I was a parent and did my parental duty.

That's sweet and irrelevant.


How is it irrelevant? You're crying about the very fact these things exist. I'm telling you that kids can be exposed to them without worry of you do your damned job and teach them the right from the wrong and the fake from the real.

So take your self-righteous indignation and shove it.

How have I been self-righteous?  This is a very long thread.  Where have I said that parents are wrong for letting their kids play these games.  I'm merely advocating for the ability of parents to make this decision.  Your post is far more self-righteous then mind.  You claim I don't teach my kid right from wrong?  Do you even presume to know what type of video kids I play with my kids at home.  I think you would be surprised.


PARENTS ALREADY CAN MAKE THIS DECISION. Jesus Christ and the Twelve Apostles in a clown car.
 
2013-04-12 08:39:03 PM  
I seem to remember a senator by the name of Feinstein wanting to ban violent video games also, but seeing how this is fark that story wouldn't have had a chance.
 
2013-04-12 09:08:18 PM  
That really sucks, because North Jersey's arcade games are pretty much limited to the bowling alleys and movie theaters. Many arcades closed 5-10 years ago:

Sportsworld (Paramus) shuttered in 2006
Fun N Games (Willowbrook Mall) shuttered in 2007
Great Escape (East Rutherford near Giants Stadium) shuttered-- don't have the time period
Speedway 17 (Upper Saddle River) shuttered in 2001?

So yeah, that's pretty much all there is.

This Digital Press forum thread from 2007 when Fun N Games was closing down is a trip down memory lane for North Jersey arcades.
 
2013-04-13 01:02:06 AM  

mrshowrules: There is some type of disconnect at play here where most people don't think a child should be admitted to a R-rated movie with adult accompaniment but yet it is OK for them to play a game with the same type of content.  I don't get it.  No one wants to ban the content or even ban the content being purchase with the approval of the parent.


I don't want the kid admitted with or without their parent because I'm there to watch the movie, not listen to little Kayden prattle on or run around screaming because they got bored playing with mommy's iPad.
 
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