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(NJ.com)   New Jersey assemblywoman wants to ban violent video games from public places like bowling alleys and movie theaters. Our long Mortal Kombat nightmare is nearly over   (nj.com) divider line 160
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2013-04-12 11:54:50 AM  

PanicMan: Mortal Kombat doesn't make people violent.  You know what does?  Golden Tee Golf.


THIS! I think at all the bars Ive been too, IVe seen more pissed off people around a Golden Tee machine and the most laughs at Fighting games and Big Buck Hunter.
 
2013-04-12 11:56:49 AM  

Edymnion: Farce-Side: Why are you guys so against banning violent video games?  I mean, sure, it's not an end-all solution to violence but it's a start.  Look at it this way:  If banning violent video games saves just one child's life, why would you not want to do that?  Why would you not make that sacrifice to ensure that child would live?  If you can't get over your own selfish desires to own useless video games that do nothing but promote violent behavior in order to protect our children, then you are part of the problem.  You have no right to own or play violent video games.

So what you're saying is that we should outlaw things that have no purpose other than personal enjoyment that can cause harm or even death to a child?

Great, lets outlaw alcohol then.  It serves no purpose other than recreation, and is responsible for destroying the lives of children and families across the nation.  Not maybe, not if-you-squint-your-eyes-and-hop-on-one-foot-sorta, but 100% confirmed happens every single day positive.  It is a proven fact that alcoholism destroys lives and has lead to children being mercilessly beaten to death.

Lets outlaw beer!


Yea!!! Water too!!!  More kids will drown in water this year than will ever be eaten by bears, so let's get rid of all the water in America!!!!!!one!!!

/Didn't read past that Weeners before the kneejerk, huh?
//I still love all of you, hurt by the cold.
 
2013-04-12 11:59:51 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: I wonder how they ever managed to have bloody hand-to-hand wars before video games.


Wars are also the domain of governments.
 
2013-04-12 12:06:13 PM  

PacManDreaming: StoPPeRmobile: or this game.

pcae.vg-network.com
farking tsetse flies!

You know what pissed me off more than anything about that game? Getting stuck somewhere with that damn parachute open. You couldn't make it go away and you were just stuck on some random mesa.

And the damn flute music. Over and over and over.......


There's a place in France where the naked ladies dance...

The room with the two prison cells and that sun thing was the one that annoyed me, since it was connected to perhaps the first example of loot farming.
 
2013-04-12 12:15:37 PM  

Silly Jesus: A city determining paint color is not reasonable...and if your children are seeing it, then it is with your consent.  Don't let them go where they will see such things if you don't want them to see them.  You are trying to transfer the burden of parenting on to the business and the government.  I know that's the liberal way, but shiat.


Where do you live?  Do you have any idea the type of restrictions zoning other business operating rules impose in a city?  There is some truly repressive shiat going on in main street USA.

Like it or not, the Government already has public decency laws making a parent's job easier that technically infringe on your personal liberties (publicmasturbation for instance).  These laws already exist.

It is already illegal for a kid to go and watch a porno film in an x-rated theater or get a private dance in a strip-club.  Do you think this Constitutes Government raising my kids for me?  Obviously not.

So it is just a matter of where do you draw the line and new media types like violent video games.  Whether the movie with mature content is in a theater, coin operated booth or an arcade machine?  What difference does it make?  If a law assists parents (tax payers) and doesn't really do fark all that affects you, why should you care?  The video games creator isn't impacted.  The First Amendment right isn't a right to have kids view your materiel without parent's consent.
 
2013-04-12 12:20:05 PM  

mrshowrules: Silly Jesus: A city determining paint color is not reasonable...and if your children are seeing it, then it is with your consent.  Don't let them go where they will see such things if you don't want them to see them.  You are trying to transfer the burden of parenting on to the business and the government.  I know that's the liberal way, but shiat.

Where do you live?  Do you have any idea the type of restrictions zoning other business operating rules impose in a city?  There is some truly repressive shiat going on in main street USA.

Like it or not, the Government already has public decency laws making a parent's job easier that technically infringe on your personal liberties (publicmasturbation for instance).  These laws already exist.

It is already illegal for a kid to go and watch a porno film in an x-rated theater or get a private dance in a strip-club.  Do you think this Constitutes Government raising my kids for me?  Obviously not.

So it is just a matter of where do you draw the line and new media types like violent video games.  Whether the movie with mature content is in a theater, coin operated booth or an arcade machine?  What difference does it make?  If a law assists parents (tax payers) and doesn't really do fark all that affects you, why should you care?  The video games creator isn't impacted.  The First Amendment right isn't a right to have kids view your materiel without parent's consent.


facepalm.jpg

I tap out.
 
2013-04-12 12:23:03 PM  

Sybarite: For some of us it will never be over. You weren't there, man. You didn't pump in quarter after quarter after quarter only to have Shang Tsung kick your ass again and again.

/the fireballs...the fireballs


Only in 2 or 3. Shang Tsung in the first game was so easy that I remember toying with him and accidentally winning. The first game's hard spots were the two-on-one stages and Goro.
 
2013-04-12 12:34:16 PM  

mrshowrules: Silly Jesus: A city determining paint color is not reasonable...and if your children are seeing it, then it is with your consent.  Don't let them go where they will see such things if you don't want them to see them.  You are trying to transfer the burden of parenting on to the business and the government.  I know that's the liberal way, but shiat.

Where do you live?  Do you have any idea the type of restrictions zoning other business operating rules impose in a city?  There is some truly repressive shiat going on in main street USA.

Like it or not, the Government already has public decency laws making a parent's job easier that technically infringe on your personal liberties (publicmasturbation for instance).  These laws already exist.

It is already illegal for a kid to go and watch a porno film in an x-rated theater or get a private dance in a strip-club.  Do you think this Constitutes Government raising my kids for me?  Obviously not.

So it is just a matter of where do you draw the line and new media types like violent video games.  Whether the movie with mature content is in a theater, coin operated booth or an arcade machine?  What difference does it make?  If a law assists parents (tax payers) and doesn't really do fark all that affects you, why should you care?   The video games creator isn't impacted.  The First Amendment right isn't a right to have kids view your materiel without parent's consent.


Except for that whole bit about removing their entire source of revenue/income, you're right.
 
2013-04-12 12:46:21 PM  
They still make those?
 
2013-04-12 12:52:02 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Except for that whole bit about removing their entire source of revenue/income, you're right.


Government isn't removing this revenue/income, it is empowering me as a parent to preventing you from getting my children's money.  I'm exercising my parental rights.

What is your major argument here?  I don't get it.

Let's keep it ultra simple and take a specific example.

I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall.  Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

Are you arguing the right of a Government to do this base on Constitutional grounds?  Or, are you just arguing that it is unnecessary/excessive?  Who are you worried about the rule hurting?  Do you think it is different from a movie theatre?
 
2013-04-12 12:57:13 PM  

mrshowrules: Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.



Really? This is the kind of inane bullshiat that we need to involve the government in? Are they going to come over to my house and make sure I take my centrum every morning too?
 
2013-04-12 01:04:54 PM  

mrshowrules: I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall. Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.


If you were a good parent, you would be monitoring your child, not the government. That's my whole argument.

Anyway, I'm taking Silly Jesus' stance now.

Silly Jesus: facepalm.jpg

I tap out.

 
2013-04-12 01:09:39 PM  

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall. Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

If you were a good parent, you would be monitoring your child, not the government. That's my whole argument.

Anyway, I'm taking Silly Jesus' stance now.

Silly Jesus: facepalm.jpg

I tap out.


I noticed neither of you addressed the R-Rated movie theater example.  Is that the Government raising my children for me also?
 
2013-04-12 01:10:25 PM  
I'll paraphrase what the coach/health teacher said in my HS health class:

"Syphillis eats away at your body kind of like Pac Man just chomping away, of course Pac Man was the first video game everybody went crazy over then of course now, you've got all these violent video games making the kids angry and wanting to fight"
 
2013-04-12 01:10:47 PM  

Magnanimous_J: mrshowrules: Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.


Really? This is the kind of inane bullshiat that we need to involve the government in? Are they going to come over to my house and make sure I take my centrum every morning too?


Do you think a child should be able to walk into a movie theatre by himself and watch an R-rated or X-rated movie?
 
2013-04-12 01:13:35 PM  

mrshowrules: scottydoesntknow: Except for that whole bit about removing their entire source of revenue/income, you're right.

Government isn't removing this revenue/income, it is empowering me as a parent to preventing you from getting my children's money.  I'm exercising my parental rights.

What is your major argument here?  I don't get it.

Let's keep it ultra simple and take a specific example.

I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall.  Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

Are you arguing the right of a Government to do this base on Constitutional grounds?  Or, are you just arguing that it is unnecessary/excessive?  Who are you worried about the rule hurting?  Do you think it is different from a movie theatre?


How about you don't turn your kids loose in the mall?
 
2013-04-12 01:13:40 PM  

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall. Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

If you were a good parent, you would be monitoring your child, not the government. That's my whole argument.

Anyway, I'm taking Silly Jesus' stance now.

Silly Jesus: facepalm.jpg

I tap out.


You sound like one of those Fark Independents.
 
2013-04-12 01:15:41 PM  

mrshowrules: scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall. Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

If you were a good parent, you would be monitoring your child, not the government. That's my whole argument.

Anyway, I'm taking Silly Jesus' stance now.

Silly Jesus: facepalm.jpg

I tap out.

I noticed neither of you addressed the R-Rated movie theater example.  Is that the Government raising my children for me also?


Pretty much.  If you're going to drop your kid off at the theater and leave then you're turning over their care to the government through their rating system telling the employees to not allow them in.  Or, you could, you know, be a good enough parent to either go with them or to be able to trust them to only go to the movies that you allow.
 
2013-04-12 01:17:14 PM  

mrshowrules: Do you think a child should be able to walk into a movie theatre by himself


Here's where the parenting comes in.  That's what people are attempting to get through your head.

If they can't be trusted to only see the movies that you deem appropriate when you aren't around, then they shouldn't be going there without you.  Otherwise, you're handing over the responsibility...
 
2013-04-12 01:20:08 PM  

mrshowrules: scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall. Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

If you were a good parent, you would be monitoring your child, not the government. That's my whole argument.

Anyway, I'm taking Silly Jesus' stance now.

Silly Jesus: facepalm.jpg

I tap out.

I noticed neither of you addressed the R-Rated movie theater example.  Is that the Government raising my children for me also?


Because if you knew anything about the American movie ratings system, it's a voluntary system implemented by Hollywood to help parents make decisions. There is nothing governmental about it. You are completely free to bring your crotchfruit to an R-rated movie. And I'm free to glare at you because you're a bad parent who couldnt' get a babysitter and felt "Evil Dead" was a good show for your 5-year-old.

You happy now? It's the theater saying your kid can't go into an R-rated movie unsupervised, not the government. And it's only done to cover their ass so parents don't biatch at them like they're supposed to be guardians.
 
2013-04-12 01:23:56 PM  
The only good fatalities were Sub Zero and Scorpion, with special consideration to Raiden...
But Sub Zero's ripping off the head with the spine attached was the best and has never been improved on.
It is a shame too, that they keep getting better graphics and moves yet have never had anything as good as the original.

Ghosts'n Goblins is still my favorite arcade game...
Got to play a couple months ago at Barcade in Philly, drinking beer and whiskey and playing classic vids...
totally awesome....
just need for something else to be legal and have a bar with video games and my childhood fantasy of the ultimate hangout will be complete...
/if boobies or at least girls in short skirts are also available to view in said place...
//must have table hockey too
///dank...
 
2013-04-12 01:34:18 PM  

sdkOyOte: The only good fatalities were Sub Zero and Scorpion, with special consideration to Raiden...
But Sub Zero's ripping off the head with the spine attached was the best and has never been improved on.
It is a shame too, that they keep getting better graphics and moves yet have never had anything as good as the original


I will give you that Sub Zero's is the most iconic (simply because it was the most gruesome at the time), and Scorpion's is the most well known because it was the simplest fatality to perform.

But have you seen MK9?! Some of those fatalities are absolutely insane! Kung Lao's probably being the most gruesome. Kung Lao's Buzz Saw Fatality
 
2013-04-12 01:46:43 PM  

Silly Jesus: mrshowrules: scottydoesntknow: Except for that whole bit about removing their entire source of revenue/income, you're right.

Government isn't removing this revenue/income, it is empowering me as a parent to preventing you from getting my children's money.  I'm exercising my parental rights.

What is your major argument here?  I don't get it.

Let's keep it ultra simple and take a specific example.

I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall.  Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

Are you arguing the right of a Government to do this base on Constitutional grounds?  Or, are you just arguing that it is unnecessary/excessive?  Who are you worried about the rule hurting?  Do you think it is different from a movie theatre?

How about you don't turn your kids loose in the mall?


I thought you tapped out.  Why are you avoiding the movie theatre question?
 
2013-04-12 01:49:30 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Because if you knew anything about the American movie ratings system, it's a voluntary system implemented by Hollywood to help parents make decisions. There is nothing governmental about it.


You mean it is a policy issued and enforced by a privately owned business and local law enforcement can't stand out in the lobby checking ID's making sure everybody is of age!

What kind of crazy world do we live in?!
 
2013-04-12 01:52:00 PM  

mrshowrules: Silly Jesus: mrshowrules: scottydoesntknow: Except for that whole bit about removing their entire source of revenue/income, you're right.

Government isn't removing this revenue/income, it is empowering me as a parent to preventing you from getting my children's money.  I'm exercising my parental rights.

What is your major argument here?  I don't get it.

Let's keep it ultra simple and take a specific example.

I argue that an R-rated video arcade games should be treated like R-rated movies in a mall.  Government should be able to regulate a business in order to prevent them from showing this content to a minor without a parent's permission.

Are you arguing the right of a Government to do this base on Constitutional grounds?  Or, are you just arguing that it is unnecessary/excessive?  Who are you worried about the rule hurting?  Do you think it is different from a movie theatre?

How about you don't turn your kids loose in the mall?

I thought you tapped out.  Why are you avoiding the movie theatre question?


I got bored.

I answered it, more than once.
 
2013-04-12 01:54:02 PM  

mrshowrules: Why are you avoiding the movie theatre question?


Why are you avoiding my answer?
 
2013-04-12 01:54:45 PM  

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: Why are you avoiding the movie theatre question?

Why are you avoiding my answer?


lol

Ditto.
 
2013-04-12 02:17:56 PM  

sdkOyOte: The only good fatalities were Sub Zero and Scorpion, with special consideration to Raiden...
But Sub Zero's ripping off the head with the spine attached was the best and has never been improved on.
It is a shame too, that they keep getting better graphics and moves yet have never had anything as good as the original.

Ghosts'n Goblins is still my favorite arcade game...
Got to play a couple months ago at Barcade in Philly, drinking beer and whiskey and playing classic vids...
totally awesome....
just need for something else to be legal and have a bar with video games and my childhood fantasy of the ultimate hangout will be complete...
/if boobies or at least girls in short skirts are also available to view in said place...
//must have table hockey too
///dank...


cdn4.staztic.com
Besides, Killer Instinct is a way better remake of Karate Champ.
 
2013-04-12 02:26:11 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: sdkOyOte: The only good fatalities were Sub Zero and Scorpion, with special consideration to Raiden...
But Sub Zero's ripping off the head with the spine attached was the best and has never been improved on.
It is a shame too, that they keep getting better graphics and moves yet have never had anything as good as the original.

Ghosts'n Goblins is still my favorite arcade game...
Got to play a couple months ago at Barcade in Philly, drinking beer and whiskey and playing classic vids...
totally awesome....
just need for something else to be legal and have a bar with video games and my childhood fantasy of the ultimate hangout will be complete...
/if boobies or at least girls in short skirts are also available to view in said place...
//must have table hockey too
///dank...

[cdn4.staztic.com image 480x320]
Besides, Killer Instinct is a way better remake of Karate Champ.


That looks like CrossBow
 
2013-04-12 02:35:33 PM  

caleb4god: Eh? you had a problem with your 6 yr old playing street fighter? seriously?


Yes, I had a problem with my 5-year-old playing a "TEEN" game that is about beating the sh*t out of people.  Seriously.

AgentKGB: What in the world did he think he was renting? I could understand if it was... "I went to rent a kid's game and the guy behind the counter screwed up and put the wrong disk in the case". I've had that happen before.


I was bewildered, too; he either meant to get it or he accidentally grabbed what was next to what he wanted.  I'd honestly rather they not play video games and play outside or do something creative.  He has his whole life to deal with computers later... you only get to "play" when you're young.
 
2013-04-12 02:41:24 PM  

muck4doo: StoPPeRmobile: sdkOyOte: The only good fatalities were Sub Zero and Scorpion, with special consideration to Raiden...
But Sub Zero's ripping off the head with the spine attached was the best and has never been improved on.
It is a shame too, that they keep getting better graphics and moves yet have never had anything as good as the original.

Ghosts'n Goblins is still my favorite arcade game...
Got to play a couple months ago at Barcade in Philly, drinking beer and whiskey and playing classic vids...
totally awesome....
just need for something else to be legal and have a bar with video games and my childhood fantasy of the ultimate hangout will be complete...
/if boobies or at least girls in short skirts are also available to view in said place...
//must have table hockey too
///dank...

[cdn4.staztic.com image 480x320]
Besides, Killer Instinct is a way better remake of Karate Champ.

That looks like CrossBow


Crossbow, it is. Aaarrrrgggg.
 
2013-04-12 02:44:20 PM  

Silly Jesus: mrshowrules: Do you think a child should be able to walk into a movie theatre by himself

Here's where the parenting comes in.  That's what people are attempting to get through your head.

If they can't be trusted to only see the movies that you deem appropriate when you aren't around, then they shouldn't be going there without you.  Otherwise, you're handing over the responsibility...


I don't see any big problem with a community supporting a parent this way.  If you don't sell kids smokes, whiskey or let him watch porn in your theater, I think parents would appreciate the assist but don't delude yourself that you are raising my children for me.  By definition the freedoms adults enjoy are not freedoms guaranteed to children.

http://adventurechronicles.weebly.com/uploads/9/0/5/1/9051742/970251 5_ orig.png?0
 
2013-04-12 02:45:16 PM  
i.imgflip.com
 
2013-04-12 02:50:40 PM  

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: Why are you avoiding the movie theatre question?

Why are you avoiding my answer?


 adventurechronicles.weebly.com

Coffee.  I was having a coffee.  I didn't know it wasn't a law but it seems clear that the rules regarding childaccompaniment to adult movies is prettyuniversally applied.  I agree with it.   The end result is a the same.

Communities setting standards for what constitutes public decency is a pretty common issue.  Kids don't have a right to these things.  It is a parental right to keep this type of content away from your own children.   If your biggest issue is Government giving parents an assist in this area, I think that is pretty lame.
 
2013-04-12 02:53:01 PM  

Silly Jesus: I answered it, more than once.


I missed that.  You think kids should be allowed to see adult movies without parental accompaniment?
 
2013-04-12 03:05:27 PM  

factoryconnection: caleb4god: Eh? you had a problem with your 6 yr old playing street fighter? seriously?

Yes, I had a problem with my 5-year-old playing a "TEEN" game that is about beating the sh*t out of people. Seriously.


That's when you tell your child that these people aren't real, and that it's not okay to do what they're doing to real people. Is it seriously that hard for parents to parent these days?

mrshowrules: Communities setting standards for what constitutes public decency is a pretty common issue. Kids don't have a right to these things. It is a parental right to keep this type of content away from your own children. If your biggest issue is Government giving parents an assist in this area, I think that is pretty lame.


Because it's not the government's job to be your kid's nanny.
 
2013-04-12 03:06:53 PM  

scottydoesntknow: But have you seen MK9?! Some of those fatalities are absolutely insane! Kung Lao's probably being the most gruesome. Kung Lao's Buzz Saw Fatality


MK9 - The edition I just got (feb this year) for PS3 is MK Komplete Edition, is same thing?...

Kung Lao - The hat sawing in half then quartering...   definitely worth seeing
The new fatality varieties are kool, not saying I don't like them, its just that nothing has ever been as kool, IMO, as that first one even though the graphics don't compare. It was just so totally brutal...

Still one of my all time favorite time eaters...   though I mostly just run through the challenge tower.

I really like the game play, the flow is good, have not really endeavored into the story mode yet except for the first time I put it in...

/yes I used a k
//just douching it up on a friday i guess
 
2013-04-12 03:08:45 PM  

mrshowrules: ElwoodCuse: Hey dummy this was already ruled unconstitutional by the supreme Court, try and pay attention

Citation?


I assume he was refering to Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association...
 
2013-04-12 03:18:28 PM  

mrshowrules: Coffee. I was having a coffee. I didn't know it wasn't a law but it seems clear that the rules regarding childaccompaniment to adult movies is prettyuniversally applied. I agree with it. The end result is a the same.


The end result may be the same, but the difference is you aren't breaking the law by doing so and that's a HUUUUUUGE difference. You may be breaking the theater's rules by buying tickets and letting them run free in a theater, which can get you kicked out, but there is no law being broken.

Communities setting standards for what constitutes public decency is a pretty common issue. Kids don't have a right to these things. It is a parental right to keep this type of content away from your own children. If your biggest issue is Government giving parents an assist in this area, I think that is pretty lame.
WRONG. It is a parent's RIGHT to DECIDE whether to keep said content away from their child.

And what you call "assistance" I call intrusion and interference. The government is not my child's parent, I am.
 
2013-04-12 03:18:49 PM  
Maybe people should be responsible for themselves, and the people they are legally responsible for (their children) and let the rest of us adults decide if we want to play a violent video game or not.

You don't say...
 
2013-04-12 03:24:54 PM  

sdkOyOte: scottydoesntknow: But have you seen MK9?! Some of those fatalities are absolutely insane! Kung Lao's probably being the most gruesome. Kung Lao's Buzz Saw Fatality

MK9 - The edition I just got (feb this year) for PS3 is MK Komplete Edition, is same thing?...

Kung Lao - The hat sawing in half then quartering...   definitely worth seeing
The new fatality varieties are kool, not saying I don't like them, its just that nothing has ever been as kool, IMO, as that first one even though the graphics don't compare. It was just so totally brutal...

Still one of my all time favorite time eaters...   though I mostly just run through the challenge tower.

I really like the game play, the flow is good, have not really endeavored into the story mode yet except for the first time I put it in...

/yes I used a k
//just douching it up on a friday i guess


Yep, same thing.

And I think it was the shock of actually seeing that in a video game that made those original fatalities so amazing.

Story mode is surprisingly well done. It's basically a retelling of the first 3 games, but since you've got the whole Raiden timetravel manipulation thing going on, it changes the story enough to feel fresh. I'd recommend it.
 
2013-04-12 03:29:57 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: mrshowrules: Communities setting standards for what constitutes public decency is a pretty common issue. Kids don't have a right to these things. It is a parental right to keep this type of content away from your own children. If your biggest issue is Government giving parents an assist in this area, I think that is pretty lame.

Because it's not the government's job to be your kid's nanny.


There job is what we tell them it is.  If we don't want our kids exposed to pornographic or violent imagery in public, we can ban it.  It is like you are pretending that Government doesn't already do this or something?  Kids can't buy Hustler magazines?  Can they?

If you can buy your Hustler magazine or buy your kid one, what do you care if local Government bans a store owner form selling it to children?
 
2013-04-12 03:45:13 PM  

RobSeace: mrshowrules: ElwoodCuse: Hey dummy this was already ruled unconstitutional by the supreme Court, try and pay attention

Citation?

I assume he was refering to Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association...


Thanks.  I'm reading that now.  I like the comparisons to Borther's Grimm fairy tails and such but first person murder simulators just seem to fall short of that comparison in my mind.

There is some type of disconnect at play here where most people don't think a child should be admitted to a R-rated movie with adult accompaniment but yet it is OK for them to play a game with the same type of content.  I don't get it.  No one wants to ban the content or even ban the content being purchase with the approval of the parent.

I grew-up with the comic book authority code and was well served by it.  Why aren't are kids deserving the same type of checks/controls to help parents.
 
2013-04-12 03:47:09 PM  

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: Coffee. I was having a coffee. I didn't know it wasn't a law but it seems clear that the rules regarding childaccompaniment to adult movies is prettyuniversally applied. I agree with it. The end result is a the same.

The end result may be the same, but the difference is you aren't breaking the law by doing so and that's a HUUUUUUGE difference. You may be breaking the theater's rules by buying tickets and letting them run free in a theater, which can get you kicked out, but there is no law being broken.

Communities setting standards for what constitutes public decency is a pretty common issue. Kids don't have a right to these things. It is a parental right to keep this type of content away from your own children. If your biggest issue is Government giving parents an assist in this area, I think that is pretty lame.
WRONG. It is a parent's RIGHT to DECIDE whether to keep said content away from their child.

And what you call "assistance" I call intrusion and interference. The government is not my child's parent, I am.


Who is being interfered with?
 
2013-04-12 03:47:21 PM  
The government is allowed to keep kids away from pornography under Ginsberg v New York. This only applies to pornography. They are not constitutionally permitted to block anything else.
 
2013-04-12 03:54:45 PM  

ElwoodCuse: The government is allowed to keep kids away from pornography under Ginsberg v New York. This only applies to pornography. They are not constitutionally permitted to block anything else.


Thus restricting the Constitutionally-protected rights of US citizens at the expense of others.

// so why can't we do this with guns, again?
// because bewbees are more dangerouser than guns?
 
2013-04-12 03:56:48 PM  

mrshowrules: I grew-up with the comic book authority code and was well served by it. Why aren't are kids deserving the same type of checks/controls to help parents.


You mean the same code that almost destroyed the comic industry? That code? That same code that was NOT a government entity, but instead a voluntary one that actually censored most comics and caused a stagnation in sales? The same code that was abandoned by every publisher because of its draconian rules? THAT code?

mrshowrules: There is some type of disconnect at play here where most people don't think a child should be admitted to a R-rated movie with adult accompaniment but yet it is OK for them to play a game with the same type of content. I don't get it. No one wants to ban the content or even ban the content being purchase with the approval of the parent.


Why are you assuming that the parent who won't let their child see an R-rated movie will give them an M-rated game? If the parent is too stupid or lazy to actually figure out what they are buying their kid then that's their fault.
 
2013-04-12 04:04:24 PM  

mrshowrules: Who is being interfered with?


I am. Did you not get that? The government is NOT my child's parent or guardian. They don't get to tell me if my child should or should not watch something.

And please stop bringing up pornography, that's a completely different subject. M-rated games = R-rated movies. If you try to bring up pornography again, I'll point you to the fact that games already have a similar rating with Adults Only, which severly limits distribution as most retailers won't carry it.
 
2013-04-12 04:08:09 PM  

mrshowrules: Keizer_Ghidorah: mrshowrules: Communities setting standards for what constitutes public decency is a pretty common issue. Kids don't have a right to these things. It is a parental right to keep this type of content away from your own children. If your biggest issue is Government giving parents an assist in this area, I think that is pretty lame.

Because it's not the government's job to be your kid's nanny.

There Their job is what we tell them it is.  If we don't want our kids exposed to pornographic or violent imagery in public, we can ban it.  It is like you are pretending that Government doesn't already do this or something?  Kids can't buy Hustler magazines?  Can they?

If you can buy your Hustler magazine or buy your kid one, what do you care if local Government bans a store owner form selling it to children?


Dude, you're going all over the place with this. Try to stay on track.

And I don't want YOU deciding to fark things over for ME and MY KIDS. Unlike you, I teach my kids what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and what isn't, and how to act and how not to act towards others. My kids play violent video games and watch violent movies and know that it's fake and doing those things to real people is wrong. They know not to look at the naughty movies and magazines until they're older. They do because I was a parent and did my parental duty.

So take your self-righteous indignation and shove it.
 
2013-04-12 04:13:38 PM  

scottydoesntknow: mrshowrules: I grew-up with the comic book authority code and was well served by it. Why aren't are kids deserving the same type of checks/controls to help parents.

You mean the same code that almost destroyed the comic industry? That code? That same code that was NOT a government entity, but instead a voluntary one that actually censored most comics and caused a stagnation in sales? The same code that was abandoned by every publisher because of its draconian rules? THAT code?

mrshowrules: There is some type of disconnect at play here where most people don't think a child should be admitted to a R-rated movie with adult accompaniment but yet it is OK for them to play a game with the same type of content. I don't get it. No one wants to ban the content or even ban the content being purchase with the approval of the parent.

Why are you assuming that the parent who won't let their child see an R-rated movie will give them an M-rated game? If the parent is too stupid or lazy to actually figure out what they are buying their kid then that's their fault.


If the parent makes that mistake, at least they had a chance to make that mistake or not.  If the kid can buy it himself, they don't even get a kick at the can unless they are surgically attached to the child.

I couldn't buy a Hustler magazine growing up?  Could you?  We managed to get them anyways but that is another story.  My mother worked hard (she wasn't lazy) but raising kids is tough.  If society can assist without impacting your adult rights, why do you care if Government makes it easier for parents to have some control over more extreme content in society?

Do you have kids?
 
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