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(KMOV St. Louis)   Scam artists want your money and the 'no call' list is not stopping them   (kmov.com) divider line 66
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2013-04-12 08:46:46 AM  
It's clear that the No Call List is not stopping actual criminals from continuing to use the phone to call their victims. Therefore, the only reasonable conclusion is that the No Call List only unfairly punishes law-abiding citizens who want to use their phones -- in effect, limiting their right to free speech, which is guaranteed by the First Amendment. We must do away with this freedom-destroying list and restore the rights of honest, upstanding citizens to call whomever they want, whenever they want, and instead of enacting laws that fail to target the real offenders, we need to increase our use of existing technologies -- caller ID, *69, etc. -- to ensure that criminals are caught. The only real defense against a criminal with a phone is a law-abiding citizen with a better phone. Let's pass laws together that get those better phones into the hands of our populace.
 
2013-04-12 08:56:39 AM  
Oh, it's not a swindle. What you do is, see, you give them all your credit card numbers, and if one of them is lucky, they send you a prize.
 
2013-04-12 08:58:44 AM  
I wouldn't be opposed to background checks before allowing people to make phone calls.

Really the phone companies just need to start giving a rats ass about spam filtering.  Google Voice does a hell of a job at catching and ignoring these guys.  Too bad I need one number that points straight to my phone instead of going through Google.
 
2013-04-12 09:13:29 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It's clear that the No Call List is not stopping actual criminals from continuing to use the phone to call their victims. Therefore, the only reasonable conclusion is that the No Call List only unfairly punishes law-abiding citizens who want to use their phones -- in effect, limiting their right to free speech, which is guaranteed by the First Amendment. We must do away with this freedom-destroying list and restore the rights of honest, upstanding citizens to call whomever they want, whenever they want, and instead of enacting laws that fail to target the real offenders, we need to increase our use of existing technologies -- caller ID, *69, etc. -- to ensure that criminals are caught. The only real defense against a criminal with a phone is a law-abiding citizen with a better phone. Let's pass laws together that get those better phones into the hands of our populace.


You truly are a gentleman and a scholar.
 
2013-04-12 09:40:55 AM  
I hate these guys as much as the next person.  Maybe more - I get them alot, and regularly max out my blocked caller list.

But is this really newsworthy?  For one, it's dated.  I've gotten this grant call before - months ago.  For another, it's the same MO they all use.

Now excuse me, I'm expecting a call from Card Services.
 
2013-04-12 10:09:58 AM  
Hey guys, I heard that scam artists want my money and the no call list is not stopping them. Can anyone confirm?
 
2013-04-12 10:11:44 AM  
It can't be a scam, the nice young lady from card services said she had good news about my credit card rates! How can that be a scam!
 
2013-04-12 10:12:44 AM  
Ok....are there really people dumb enough to fall for this?
 
2013-04-12 10:12:56 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It's clear that the No Call List is not stopping actual criminals from continuing to use the phone to call their victims. Therefore, the only reasonable conclusion is that the No Call List only unfairly punishes law-abiding citizens who want to use their phones -- in effect, limiting their right to free speech, which is guaranteed by the First Amendment. We must do away with this freedom-destroying list and restore the rights of honest, upstanding citizens to call whomever they want, whenever they want, and instead of enacting laws that fail to target the real offenders, we need to increase our use of existing technologies -- caller ID, *69, etc. -- to ensure that criminals are caught. The only real defense against a criminal with a phone is a law-abiding citizen with a better phone. Let's pass laws together that get those better phones into the hands of our populace.


Pocket Ninja coming in with the strong Boobies! Well done, sir.
 
2013-04-12 10:13:34 AM  
well, if this is a scam, it makes me think I shouldn't have sent my information to Mrs. Shill Sheila in Kenya. Dang, but her husband wanted ME to have his fortune.

this sucks.
 
2013-04-12 10:14:07 AM  
Ric Romero watch your back. This guy's good! And so handsome.

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2013-04-12 10:14:27 AM  

BigBooper: It can't be a scam, the nice young lady from card services said she had good news about my credit card rates! How can that be a scam!


I know I just got a call from some nice people wanting to extend my warrenty on my car. They are just looking out for us after all.
 
2013-04-12 10:15:56 AM  
Bottom Line: Never give out your bank account number to someone who calls you and just because the number says area code 202, that does not mean they are calling from Washington D.C,  Technology allows scam artists to create fake numbers.

Has our government gotten so big that EVERY call from the 202 area code is from a legit agency?  No? Well, ok then....

The sad part is that even though this scam is so incredibly transparent it boggles the mind, apparently there are enough dumb people out there falling for it that it's worth trying to run.
 
2013-04-12 10:16:50 AM  

jayhawk88: Hey guys, I heard that scam artists want my money and the no call list is not stopping them.


If you believe that, I have a GE Home Security System to sell you.
 
2013-04-12 10:17:08 AM  
If you give me your credit card number, I can make all the posts about gun control go away.
 
2013-04-12 10:18:43 AM  
I don't mind those calls. I work in a call center and if gives me a chance to swear like a sailor in five languages at the caller. If they aren't blushing, crying, or both when they hang up, I've failed.
I never fail.
 
2013-04-12 10:18:56 AM  
Why do people actually answer the phone? If the call is legit they'll leave a message.
 
2013-04-12 10:19:01 AM  

jayhawk88: Hey guys, I heard that scam artists want my money and the no call list is not stopping them. Can anyone confirm?


Yeah - post your phone number here and we'll confirm this for ya!
 
2013-04-12 10:19:40 AM  

KittyGlitterSparkles: If you give me your credit card number, I can make all the posts about gun control go away.


5988 6826 9993 8714

It's Visa.
 
2013-04-12 10:20:12 AM  

Obbi: Pocket Ninja coming in with the strong Boobies! Well done, sir.


With all due respect to Pocket Ninja, and I think he's Fark's Spielberg, I'm sick of gun threads. I can stay out of gun threads, and I sure as hell stay out of the politics tab, but If we are going to turn every farking unrelated thread into a retarded debate on gun laws, then I'm going to end up...... being very, very cross, and write strongly worded posts in protest.

/good God, when did I become a U.N. diplomat?!?
 
2013-04-12 10:22:23 AM  

KittyGlitterSparkles: If you give me your credit card number, I can make all the posts about gun control go away.


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820
 
2013-04-12 10:26:13 AM  

Missicat: Ok....are there really people dumb enough to fall for this?



Many. Why do you think year after year the scammers keep doing it? There's money to be made...

Senior citizens are especially vulnerable to falling prey to these schemes.
 
2013-04-12 10:26:16 AM  
Anyone know how to register a phone number with a telemarketer's "DO call" list? I have a lonely coworker who'd love to spend his dull workday engaged in phone conversation with new people.
 
2013-04-12 10:27:33 AM  

Ned Stark: KittyGlitterSparkles: If you give me your credit card number, I can make all the posts about gun control go away.

4161 1832 9907 6063

820


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725

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2013-04-12 10:27:36 AM  
The "Do Not Call" list is a joke.  First: adding your telephone numbers to it only lasts for 2 years.  Then, you have to re-add them. Second: it doesn't work against Political Organizations, Charity Organizations, anyone you do business with or any of their "Busing Partners."
 
2013-04-12 10:35:37 AM  
The only reason I don't favorite Pocket Ninja is because I wanna get at least 1/2 way through his posts before I look up and see the screen name.

Brilliant as usual.
 
2013-04-12 10:38:19 AM  

Sybarite: Oh, it's not a swindle. What you do is, see, you give them all your credit card numbers, and if one of them is lucky, they send you a prize.


Yeah, I know, I'm waiting for my prize now (it's in the mail).
 
2013-04-12 10:39:05 AM  

Lassivern: adding your telephone numbers to it only lasts for 2 years. Then, you have to re-add them


They changed that a few years ago.  You add it now and it's on there for life, supposedly.
 
2013-04-12 10:41:28 AM  
I would not blink if scammers like this received the death penalty.  The entirety of the estate confiscated and donated to public schools and public health, nothing going to the scammers' families.  No appeals.

But if we make death threats over the phone to the scammers when they call to try and steal our hard-earned money, somehow we're the ones guilty of something.  Bah.
 
2013-04-12 10:41:58 AM  
The do not call list is a joke. Right now I have at least six calls from 1-800-serviceon my call log.
I Googled the number and found out that it's a "shell" number that dozens of boiler room operations use.
I have Time Warner phone service and I think I can set up a "block this number" with my services account.
Going to check now.....
 
2013-04-12 10:42:09 AM  

KittyGlitterSparkles: If you give me your credit card number, I can make all the posts about gun control go away.


Eight. Six. Seven. Five. Three. Oh. Nine.

/Say it like you're singing....
 
2013-04-12 10:42:18 AM  
It says a lot about a country when the most effective business model from Wall St. to some boiler room in DC is "see how much sh*t you can steal".
 
2013-04-12 10:52:32 AM  
Can anyone who knows more about how telephone systems operate explain how these companies can't be shut down faster?
 
2013-04-12 10:55:00 AM  

liam76: Can anyone who knows more about how telephone systems operate explain how these companies can't be shut down faster?


I'm doing a lot of speculation here, but I think the guy in charge scams people with "work at home" offers on craigslist, then they use their own phone line or skype account or something to make the calls.  The guy on top is smart enough to cover his tracks and just finds a new patsy every time one of them gets shut down.

That's how I'd orchestrate it, but I can't guarantee that's what they're doing.
 
2013-04-12 10:56:41 AM  

serial_crusher: I wouldn't be opposed to background checks before allowing people to make phone calls.


"Oh, I see you have a criminal background. Good, you have the proper experience. Here's your script and phone."
 
2013-04-12 10:58:34 AM  
NONE OF THOSE CREDIT CARD NUMBERS WORK.

At least, not at Tranny DVD Warehouse and Cafe.
 
2013-04-12 10:58:44 AM  
Here's what we do: we find the serial callers and we send Seal Team Six in to terminate them with extreme prejudice.
 
2013-04-12 10:58:51 AM  
Meh.  I'm too lazy to go pick up the phone any more.

Take that, scofflaws.
 
2013-04-12 11:01:06 AM  
That's OK! I've been told for certain that harassment is 'not a thing', so the Do Not Call list is CLEARLY illegal.

According to this crazyperson, anyways.
 
2013-04-12 11:05:06 AM  

serial_crusher: I wouldn't be opposed to background checks before allowing people to make phone calls.


Yeah, just try enforcing that in India, where a lot of these scams originate.
 
2013-04-12 11:09:13 AM  
I use Mr. Number for my cell- best I've seen. Say a number is spam, and it'll block it- all the caller gets is a click and hang up.

I've used it on my college's alumnus association, as well. I'm half broke, and I'm not going to drop a hundred in donations for the new class. I simply can't.
 
2013-04-12 11:28:38 AM  
That's okay, I just call them back over and over (and over and over and over again) playing pretty music (read: Mindless Self Indulgence) for them until I get tired of them hanging up on me.

/they're always too farking stupid to block their number
 
2013-04-12 11:30:14 AM  

Don't see Do Not List as illegal.  I pay the phone so it's private and thus don't give a sh*t about someone spouting off "freedom of speech".  There's always snail mail and the post office would appreciate the business.

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Kim Jong-Un received a spam call once..just once.
 
2013-04-12 11:31:23 AM  

liam76: Can anyone who knows more about how telephone systems operate explain how these companies can't be shut down faster?


A lot of these dickholes aren't even in the country.
 
2013-04-12 11:32:13 AM  

Felgraf: That's OK! I've been told for certain that harassment is 'not a thing', so the Do Not Call list is CLEARLY illegal.

According to this crazyperson, anyways.


Hehe, I remember him.
 
2013-04-12 11:38:43 AM  
Oh I know.

I'm on both the federal and the state Do Not Call lists, and I still get a half dozen daily robo calls about lowering my interest or whatever else.  Drives me nuts.
 
2013-04-12 11:45:57 AM  
They have tried, twice now, to scam my husband's grandfather, who is 88 but luckily keen enough not to give out his information over the phone.  He called me in a panic last month that my husband was in trouble because he had been gambling and needed money wired to him.  "No, grandpa, he's right here next to me sleeping.  Listen to his snores..."  A few months earlier, someone called pretending to be my brother in law and asking for bail money.  Grandpa is very cognizant for his age, and even he had to make sure it really was a scam.  I'm sure lots of old people fall for these calls.  It makes me feel very stabby.
 
2013-04-12 11:52:29 AM  
Cell phones are still relatively safe, for now.  The charges that can occur for robocalls will make cell phones "sorta" for a few more years at least, however landlines need to go away.  I have a land line, the ringer is off. We use it for outgoing faxes occasionally, maybe once a month to some agency that hasnt figured out email yet.  If we dare turn the ringer on we get a call about every 15 minutes, all telemarketing/political/scam.  This is not hyperbole, every...farking....15..minutes.  Its basically farking useless as a phone except outgoing calls.  My cell gets a robo/scam call about once a week by comparison.  I tried for a few days to fight the phone calls on the landline when they started getting verbally abusive, swearing and talking about farking my wife and mother.  I got nowhere with the phone company, the police, the company calling, got farking nowhere with them except the $8 charge for enabling the "phone trap" that did nothing.  So I finally gave up and turned off the ringer.

We as a species need to simply get rid of the farking useless piece of shiat.  Phone companies need to provide bandwidth, thats it.    The day of the robofarking of cell phones is fast approaching.  Good.  We should all stop talking to each other.

Great, thinking of the phone war last year makes me want to strangle a kitten.
 
2013-04-12 11:56:52 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: Can anyone who knows more about how telephone systems operate explain how these companies can't be shut down faster?

A lot of these dickholes aren't even in the country.


Yeah, but I still think it would be fairly easy to shut down these numbers from calling in the US.  But as I hinted before I may be missing some huge logistical problem.  I realize to some extent it would be whacka-mole, but if after 10 complaints and no responses from the peron paying the bill they should be bale to stop the nuber from calling in the US.
 
2013-04-12 11:59:42 AM  

Moonfisher: They have tried, twice now, to scam my husband's grandfather, who is 88 but luckily keen enough not to give out his information over the phone.  He called me in a panic last month that my husband was in trouble because he had been gambling and needed money wired to him.  "No, grandpa, he's right here next to me sleeping.  Listen to his snores..."  A few months earlier, someone called pretending to be my brother in law and asking for bail money.  Grandpa is very cognizant for his age, and even he had to make sure it really was a scam.  I'm sure lots of old people fall for these calls.  It makes me feel very stabby.


Killing these people shouldnt be considered a Crime.  It should be considered a public service.
 
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