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(HelenaIR.com)   It's 11 ½ feet high, weighs more than 18 tons and can transport 15 people comfortably or cram in up to about 30 in a pinch. "This vehicle has a multitude of uses," said Lewis and Clark County Sheriff Leo Dutton   (helenair.com) divider line 145
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2013-04-12 06:35:42 AM
Rosie O'Donnell?
 
2013-04-12 06:39:44 AM
I'll bet it does more miles going to PR events than to crime scenes. Like 5 to 1.
 
2013-04-12 07:06:14 AM
Do they get a lot of hostage situations and stand-offs in Helena Montana, population 74,000?
 
2013-04-12 07:16:00 AM
Wouldn't it be better perhaps to buy one or two smaller vehicles with fewer users at 0.1 the price?
 
2013-04-12 07:16:29 AM
I assume this is to combat Cocaine Bear and his gang. Otherwise it seems to make no sense.
 
2013-04-12 07:17:20 AM

EvilEgg: Wouldn't it be better perhaps to buy one or two smaller vehicles with fewer users at 0.1 the price?


Grant money doesn't work that way.
 
2013-04-12 07:18:09 AM
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We've got one heavily armed recreational vehicle.
 
2013-04-12 07:18:24 AM

digistil: I assume this is to combat Cocaine Bear and his gang. Otherwise it seems to make no sense.


Meth weasel.
 
2013-04-12 07:19:29 AM
In a few past incidents, officers have been injured who probably would not have been if the vehicle was available.

Maybe look in to procedure and policy before rolling an APC in to your suburb, boys.
 
2013-04-12 07:19:37 AM

miss diminutive: Do they get a lot of hostage situations and stand-offs in Helena Montana, population 74,000?


My thoughts exactly.  I even rechecked the city, thinking that Detroit/Chicago/South Central had finally made a smart decision.
 
2013-04-12 07:21:30 AM

Akessamenos: digistil: I assume this is to combat Cocaine Bear and his gang. Otherwise it seems to make no sense.

Meth weasel.


Weed Wolverine.

/These sound like R. Crumb superheroes.
 
2013-04-12 07:21:56 AM
War has come home to nest.

bwahaahaahaa
 
2013-04-12 07:23:32 AM

miss diminutive: Do they get a lot of hostage situations and stand-offs in Helena Montana, population 74,000?


Oh, I'll bet now that they have a nice, new hammer that they start seeing nails everywhere.
 
2013-04-12 07:26:43 AM
This will be useful when the Germans break through the Boulder Mountains.
 
2013-04-12 07:26:56 AM
Can you name the truck with four wheel drive, smells like a steak, and seats thirty five?
 
2013-04-12 07:29:11 AM

rnatalie: [img6.imageshack.us image 800x603]

We've got one heavily armed recreational vehicle.


Shakes tiny fist.

That Stripes RV thingy was the first thing I thought of.
 
2013-04-12 07:29:43 AM
Canyonero!
 
2013-04-12 07:30:41 AM
yeah, so it's not a huge population up there, but to be fair think of all the remote cabins blowing up like popcorn up there.
 
2013-04-12 07:31:51 AM

untaken_name: This will be useful when the Germans break through the Boulder Mountains.


Not to mention, just think how things might have been different if we'd had one of these at Peal Harbor.
 
2013-04-12 07:31:57 AM
Who is driving OH NO, BEAR IS DRIVING!!!
 
2013-04-12 07:33:35 AM
if only pictures
 
2013-04-12 07:33:49 AM
i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-12 07:34:08 AM
Remember folks, you're taxed enough already because of all of those worthless 47%ers out there who simply take from the productive citizens.

Now, come check out our new $400k armoured car.  Feds picked up the tab!
 
2013-04-12 07:34:27 AM

Persnickety: untaken_name: This will be useful when the Germans break through the Boulder Mountains.

Not to mention, just think how things might have been different if we'd had one of these at Peal Harbor.


I expect the Japanese would have sunk it too.
 
2013-04-12 07:35:00 AM

log_jammin: yeah, so it's not a huge population up there, but to be fair think of all the remote cabins blowing up like popcorn up there.

Kettle Cabin Dorner Corn?

 
2013-04-12 07:35:03 AM

untaken_name: This will be useful when the Germans break through the Boulder Mountains.


You are expecting zee Germans?

/not at all obscure
 
2013-04-12 07:36:29 AM
So I wonder how many idiots will call this a tank?

EvilEgg: Wouldn't it be better perhaps to buy one or two smaller vehicles with fewer users at 0.1 the price?


One of the major problems is that federal grant money from any letter organization is given on a use it or lose it by x date basis. So there is no incentive to spend smart for many people.

Come set down, and let us tell the tale of a Volunteer Fire Department who bankrupted itsself with it's grant purchase.
 
2013-04-12 07:39:53 AM
It should make a great command vehicle for the warlord of Montanistan.
 
2013-04-12 07:40:28 AM
It looks like the police have themselves an RV!
 
2013-04-12 07:42:04 AM
That thing will get about as much use as my dick,but washed more often.
 
2013-04-12 07:42:30 AM

scanman61: miss diminutive: Do they get a lot of hostage situations and stand-offs in Helena Montana, population 74,000?

Oh, I'll bet now that they have a nice, new hammer that they start seeing nails everywhere.


I imagine kitten rescues and busting underage parties are going to experience a sharp increase in collateral damage.
 
2013-04-12 07:43:39 AM

scanman61: miss diminutive: Do they get a lot of hostage situations and stand-offs in Helena Montana, population 74,000?

Oh, I'll bet now that they have a nice, new hammer that they start seeing nails everywhere.


Yeah, like if a kid shows up at the elementary school with his Boy Scout knife in his pocket.
 
2013-04-12 07:47:12 AM

miss diminutive: I imagine kitten rescues and busting underage parties are going to experience a sharp increase in collateral damage.


Kittens are the purvey of the Fire Department. Don't make me file a union complaint against you.

In Memphis, Memphis Fire uses their Inch and Three Quarters at 150 PSI to Rescue Cats.
 
2013-04-12 07:47:40 AM

hardinparamedic: So I wonder how many idiots will call this a tank?


Anyone can see it's just a bulldozer equipped with AK-47s.
 
2013-04-12 07:48:15 AM
hardinparamedic: So I wonder how many idiots will call this a tank?

EvilEgg: Wouldn't it be better perhaps to buy one or two smaller vehicles with fewer users at 0.1 the price?

One of the major problems is that federal grant money from any letter organization is given on a use it or lose it by x date basis. So there is no incentive to spend smart for many people.

Yup.  If you decline the money you don't need now, you'll be denied in the future when you really need it.  I've worked for a couple schools (college level) and it was SOP for departments to make wish lists towards the end of the fiscal year to make sure they spent every penny of the budget.  Because, if they had any money left over, they obviously didn't need as much in the next year's budget.  They scrimp and pinch all year to make sure they have the money to handle unexpected expenses, then blow the surplus like a homeless lottery winner in the last week.
 
2013-04-12 07:49:17 AM
Waiting for some fine police work Lou
 
2013-04-12 07:50:03 AM
Sounds like a GREAT use  of our tax dollars. I hear they NEED this vehicle because there are many terror cells operating in flyover country, plotting to blow up our prairie dog infrastructure.
 
2013-04-12 07:50:19 AM
If it were inexpensive due to being military surplus, I'd be okay with it. Even police sometimes could do with the cheer-up of having a nicer vehicle with some special functions. But this is overpriced, overbuilt for the task and lacks a worthwhile return-on-investment, so I do not approve.

It's like a 22-year-old couple expecting an eight-pound baby getting a note on a brand-new $30K minivan with all the trimmings when a 2003 Honda Civic would do just fine and could be bought for cash.
 
2013-04-12 07:50:23 AM
Most likely they had to spend the money on something so they went with this. You see, if Homeland Security saw that the folks in Montana didn't spend that 400k they were givin, then next year they may give the money to a state that doesn't need it as much, like New York.
 
2013-04-12 07:51:20 AM
So, their schools are fully funded and in great shape. The poor and the indigent are well-taken-care-of. Their roads are in great shape. Their libraries are modern and up-to-date. Their power grid has been fully modernized. The arts are affordable to all. And the city budget is in the black.

Or, conversely, their city is a hell-hole that makes Detroit look like Paris. Because these are the only reasons I can think of where spending close to half-a-million on an armored RV would be okay.
 
2013-04-12 07:54:47 AM

DeaH: So, their schools are fully funded and in great shape. The poor and the indigent are well-taken-care-of. Their roads are in great shape. Their libraries are modern and up-to-date. Their power grid has been fully modernized. The arts are affordable to all. And the city budget is in the black.


The grant was probably from either Homeland Security or the Justice Department. They cannot, by federal law, use a grant earmarked for Homeland Security uses (Fire, Police, Emergency Medical) for any other use than those. They might be able to use it to modernize the power grid and repair the roads if they justify it under emergency response aids, but the other uses you point out are considered fraudulent grant usage.

The sad thing is, there are rural volunteer departments who would kill for that kind of grant money to buy new equipment and protective gear for their people. Other departments are just really, really good at writing grant requests, and blow the money like a lotto winner.

jtown: Yup.  If you decline the money you don't need now, you'll be denied in the future when you really need it.  I've worked for a couple schools (college level) and it was SOP for departments to make wish lists towards the end of the fiscal year to make sure they spent every penny of the budget.  Because, if they had any money left over, they obviously didn't need as much in the next year's budget.  They scrimp and pinch all year to make sure they have the money to handle unexpected expenses, then blow the surplus like a homeless lottery winner in the last week.


You sound like you speak from experience. My old Vol department made the mistake of not spending all of their 200 grand grant one year, and only got 25 grand the next year. The system is horribly biased towards big spenders.
 
2013-04-12 07:55:21 AM

HotWingConspiracy: In a few past incidents, officers have been injured who probably would not have been if the vehicle was available.

Maybe look in to procedure and policy before rolling an APC in to your suburb, boys.


Suburbs require there to be an urb.
 
2013-04-12 07:55:56 AM

jtown: hardinparamedic: So I wonder how many idiots will call this a tank?

EvilEgg: Wouldn't it be better perhaps to buy one or two smaller vehicles with fewer users at 0.1 the price?

One of the major problems is that federal grant money from any letter organization is given on a use it or lose it by x date basis. So there is no incentive to spend smart for many people.

Yup.  If you decline the money you don't need now, you'll be denied in the future when you really need it.  I've worked for a couple schools (college level) and it was SOP for departments to make wish lists towards the end of the fiscal year to make sure they spent every penny of the budget.  Because, if they had any money left over, they obviously didn't need as much in the next year's budget.  They scrimp and pinch all year to make sure they have the money to handle unexpected expenses, then blow the surplus like a homeless lottery winner in the last week.


There are actually programs in place to let you keep your "surplus" towards a major upcoming expense. But using these programs requires you to know about them and care about them.
 
2013-04-12 07:56:06 AM
Sigh...

OK, lets try this once more

When you are working for the public it's "Serve and Protect"

When you are playing your x-box, you know, NOT REAL, it's "Kick ass and take names.

Come on guys, we covered this in the last SIX CHAPTERS!
 
2013-04-12 07:57:55 AM
This is porn for law enforcement.  Cue Tim Allen describing the vehicle.
 
2013-04-12 07:58:08 AM

baka-san: When you are working for the public it's "Serve and Protect"


I'm willing to bet the area they purchased this in has a few militia, Christian Identity, and/or anti-government groups with firepower to penetrate that thing, too.

Montana is kook central if you ever look at a map that tracks those kind of organizations
 
2013-04-12 07:58:53 AM
This is probably a good thing.    Low carbon footprint,  low maintenance.   Like the truck version of a Prius.

Good choice in my opinion,

Probably also can carry a lot of ammunition and medical supplies during natural disasters like earthquakes and zombie intrusions.

Serve and protect.
 
2013-04-12 07:59:21 AM
To tell you the truth, I have no issues with police/fire/schools getting equipment.

But you would think that the bootstrappy citizens of well-regulated Montana would have an issue with this. It will be interesting to see how this vehicle goes against the sovereign patriots in the Citadel.
 
2013-04-12 08:00:04 AM
Yes, but how does this compare to a train, which I also can afford?
 
2013-04-12 08:00:46 AM
Our gubmint has purchased thousands of these things and given them to police departments all across the country.  At $400,000 a pop, it's no wonder we are in debt up to our grand children's eyeballs.  Like others have said before, ignorance can be fixed, but stupid is a fatal condition.
 
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