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(MSNBC)   Al Qaeda endorses GOP position on guns. Awkward   (maddowblog.msnbc.com ) divider line
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2013-04-12 04:41:22 PM  

Nome de Plume: 10 out of 10 rapists (and authoritarians) prefer gun control.


Four out of five polled approve of gang rape!
 
2013-04-12 06:26:27 PM  

Wittenberg Dropout: Now if AQ was only handing out money to buy these weapons. I might apply for a grant.




Al Queda is so broke they expect you to buy your own guns.
Maybe you should drop a line to Cobra Commander?

/less religion, spiffier uniforms.
 
2013-04-12 07:02:50 PM  

dittybopper: forgotmydamnusername: cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?

The Klan endorsed Ronald Reagan. He repudiated the endorsement. Everyone gave St. Ronnie a pat on the back. No one seemed willing to ask the question, "What are the administration's policies, such that they would draw an endorsement from the Klan?" Sometimes who your friends are is revealing. Sometimes it doesn't mean shiat, but it is something to think about. I would presume that their support of OWS would have something to do with some retarded Neo-Nazi belief that Wall Street is a Jewish conspiracy.

You have to look at the totality of the circumstances.   Did you expect the Klan was going to endorse Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale?

What did that leave them with?

It's the same reason why the NRA half-heartedly endorsed both John McCain and Mitt Romney.  Neither of those two was any great friend to gun owners, but the alternative was worse (as events have shown).


As best I remember, Gerald Ford didn't have to worry about the Klan's endorsement in '76, despite his patron Nixon's heavy reliance on the Southern Strategy in the previous 2 elections. The Klan's endorsement of Reagan probably had something to do with his willingness to rely on dogwhistle language while attacking welfare. Anyway, all this is a bit aside the point. If Al Quaeda is a friend of the Second Amendment, I'm sure it's because they're hoping to take advantage of the relatively unrestricted American civilian firearms market at some point, just as Mexican drug cartels have done, and the IRA once did. One of the reasons the Provos settled on the AR15 as a weapon of choice is that Catholic Irish sympathizers could easily procure them here, and quietly ship them there. Upon reflection, I really don't give a damn about this. It's a dangerous world, although your risk of being offed by a terrorist is still tremendously less than your risk of being run down in a crosswalk. We won't make it that much safer, but we will certainly manage to greatly inconvenience a lot of people who would never ever consider going on a shooting rampage at an elementary school, or hanging around with the Mexican Mafia.
 
2013-04-12 07:25:01 PM  
Hitler was a vegetarian.... should we outlaw vegetarians?
 
2013-04-12 07:29:49 PM  

Altair: Hitler was a vegetarian.... should we outlaw vegetarians?


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2013-04-12 07:44:40 PM  

unlikely: World Library League endorses local library's stance on books
International Chess Federation endorses US Chess Federation's stance on chess
International Fencing Federation endorses NCAA's stance on Fencing
etc


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2013-04-12 08:16:07 PM  

MasterThief: Yes.  By all means.  Go to a gun show in a turban and a dishdasha muttering "Allahu Akbar" under your breath, then go to a dealer's table and ask to buy a fully automatic weapon, and present no identification while doing so.  There is absolutely nothing that could possibly go wrong with this plan.  You will completely evade the notice of the FBI, ATF, and local police, you will not be led away from the gun show in handcuffs, you will not be indicted with multiple 18 USC 922 and 924 charges, and you will not spend the next 20-60 years in federal PMITA prison.  It's genius, this plan.

Bonus points if you do this in Texas.  Double bonus if you do this in Texas without being shot.

/Triple bonus if Steve Benen tries this himself.


It's a rather odd thing. We're told gun owners are RWAs who hate Muslims yet they also love selling Muslim terrorists weapons so they may kill more Christians.

It's a rather obvious disconnect.

Shadow Blasko: Clone or not.. they were select fire with full auto functional. He was shooting with them that evening.


Then they're absolutely illegal as there's no way you're paying $350 for a select fire AK-47. That was the price of a semi-auto version though. There's no way to modify an AK-47 to do so without breaking the law.

In fact, this type of discussion is frowned on most gun boards because talk of illegality witnessed invites unwarranted attention from the BATFE.
 
2013-04-12 08:48:40 PM  
An Inconvenient Truth 2: The Al Queda Lobby. Now playing.
 
2013-04-12 09:29:36 PM  

Apos: An Inconvenient Truth 2: The Al Queda Lobby Electric Boogaloo. Now playing.


FTFY
 
2013-04-13 01:04:05 AM  

MasterThief: Yes.  By all means.  Go to a gun show in a turban and a dishdasha muttering "Allahu Akbar" under your breath, then go to a dealer's table and ask to buy a fully automatic weapon, and present no identification while doing so.  There is absolutely nothing that could possibly go wrong with this plan.  You will completely evade the notice of the FBI, ATF, and local police, you will not be led away from the gun show in handcuffs, you will not be indicted with multiple 18 USC 922 and 924 charges, and you will not spend the next 20-60 years in federal PMITA prison.  It's genius, this plan.

Bonus points if you do this in Texas.  Double bonus if you do this in Texas without being shot.

/Triple bonus if Steve Benen tries this himself.


...except nobody who wants to buy a gun illegally is going to do something so stupidly obvious. They're going to go as inconspicuously as possible, wearing jeans and a t-shirt, beard neatly trimmed and baseball cap with the Confederate flag prominently displayed. They'll make a derogatory comment about Obama's heritage and joke about killing terrorists, and THEN they'll ask for a full-auto Glock AR-47 tactical assault rifle, pay cash, and explain the cops confiscated their ID last night when they were driving home drunk from the bar.

And they'll do it in Texas.
 
2013-04-13 03:18:39 AM  
To all the morons yacking on about the full auto/semi auto distinction and how it completely destroys the point, this is what TFA says:

I should note, by the way, that al Qaeda's description of American laws was not entirely accurate. Would-be terrorists cannot buy a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show, but they can buy a semi-automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show. The detail matters, but the larger point remains the same.

Indeed, as Timothy Johnson noted, the ATF identified gun shows as "a major venue for illegal trafficking" of firearms, and has specifically linked private sales at gun shows to trafficking operations -- some involving Mexican drug cartels. A member of Hezbollah also bought weapons at gun shows in Michigan.


So yeah, maybe try not being illiterate and/or unthinking reactionaries next time?
 
2013-04-13 03:29:37 AM  

cptjeff: To all the morons yacking on about the full auto/semi auto distinction and how it completely destroys the point, this is what TFA says:

I should note, by the way, that al Qaeda's description of American laws was not entirely accurate. Would-be terrorists cannot buy a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show, but they can buy a semi-automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show. The detail matters, but the larger point remains the same.

Indeed, as Timothy Johnson noted, the ATF identified gun shows as "a major venue for illegal trafficking" of firearms, and has specifically linked private sales at gun shows to trafficking operations -- some involving Mexican drug cartels. A member of Hezbollah also bought weapons at gun shows in Michigan.

So yeah, maybe try not being illiterate and/or unthinking reactionaries next time?


I'll make you a deal. The next time MSNBC corrects another Al Qaeda quote, I will send you a month of TF. The next time an elected congressional member (D or R) refers to the ability to buy assault rifles or automatic weapons with no background check, you send me a month of TF. We'll see who gets sponsored first.

/it'd only be an issue if it weren't repeatedly misstated* or lied* about

* assume whichever you please
 
2013-04-13 03:31:12 AM  

Ned Stark: Al qaeda also wanted the US out of Iraq. OMG Obama is in cahoots with them.


No, they wanted the US IN Iraq, and bankrupting themselves.
 
2013-04-13 03:37:46 AM  

ShadowKamui: valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.

Well bless your little heart.

She is either a complete idiot or a lying POS on anything relating to guns


Slander much?
 
2013-04-13 03:42:26 AM  

redmid17: I'll make you a deal.


No. I don't take responsibly for anyone's positions and statements but my own.
 
2013-04-13 03:58:00 AM  

cptjeff: To all the morons yacking on about the full auto/semi auto distinction and how it completely destroys the point, this is what TFA says:

I should note, by the way, that al Qaeda's description of American laws was not entirely accurate. Would-be terrorists cannot buy a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show, but they can buy a semi-automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show. The detail matters, but the larger point remains the same.

Indeed, as Timothy Johnson noted, the ATF identified gun shows as "a major venue for illegal trafficking" of firearms, and has specifically linked private sales at gun shows to trafficking operations -- some involving Mexican drug cartels. A member of Hezbollah also bought weapons at gun shows in Michigan.

So yeah, maybe try not being illiterate and/or unthinking reactionaries next time?


Did it really take 100+ posts for someone to point out how stupid this semantic quibbling was, by merely  QUOTING TFA?
 
2013-04-13 04:26:22 AM  

cptjeff: redmid17: I'll make you a deal.

No. I don't take responsibly for anyone's positions and statements but my own.


Then don't bother posting shiat you won't back up. People can read the article. People read the article. People who know anything about the issue at hand should know it was false by merely reading the first sentence.
 
2013-04-13 12:26:22 PM  

Rhino_man: cptjeff: To all the morons yacking on about the full auto/semi auto distinction and how it completely destroys the point, this is what TFA says:

I should note, by the way, that al Qaeda's description of American laws was not entirely accurate. Would-be terrorists cannot buy a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show, but they can buy a semi-automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show. The detail matters, but the larger point remains the same.

Indeed, as Timothy Johnson noted, the ATF identified gun shows as "a major venue for illegal trafficking" of firearms, and has specifically linked private sales at gun shows to trafficking operations -- some involving Mexican drug cartels. A member of Hezbollah also bought weapons at gun shows in Michigan.

So yeah, maybe try not being illiterate and/or unthinking reactionaries next time?

Did it really take 100+ posts for someone to point out how stupid this semantic quibbling was, by merely  QUOTING TFA?


Welcome to Fark.  It's what people do here.
 
2013-04-13 01:18:52 PM  

Rhino_man: cptjeff: To all the morons yacking on about the full auto/semi auto distinction and how it completely destroys the point, this is what TFA says:

I should note, by the way, that al Qaeda's description of American laws was not entirely accurate. Would-be terrorists cannot buy a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show, but they can buy a semi-automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show. The detail matters, but the larger point remains the same.

Indeed, as Timothy Johnson noted, the ATF identified gun shows as "a major venue for illegal trafficking" of firearms, and has specifically linked private sales at gun shows to trafficking operations -- some involving Mexican drug cartels. A member of Hezbollah also bought weapons at gun shows in Michigan.

So yeah, maybe try not being illiterate and/or unthinking reactionaries next time?

Did it really take 100+ posts for someone to point out how stupid this semantic quibbling was, by merely  QUOTING TFA?


Turns out that the subby and those that agree with him/her are actually a retarded, as I think was suspected from the very start of the thread.

/welcome to Fark
 
2013-04-13 03:20:50 PM  

robrr2003: Rhino_man: cptjeff: To all the morons yacking on about the full auto/semi auto distinction and how it completely destroys the point, this is what TFA says:

I should note, by the way, that al Qaeda's description of American laws was not entirely accurate. Would-be terrorists cannot buy a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show, but they can buy a semi-automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show. The detail matters, but the larger point remains the same.

Indeed, as Timothy Johnson noted, the ATF identified gun shows as "a major venue for illegal trafficking" of firearms, and has specifically linked private sales at gun shows to trafficking operations -- some involving Mexican drug cartels. A member of Hezbollah also bought weapons at gun shows in Michigan.

So yeah, maybe try not being illiterate and/or unthinking reactionaries next time?

Did it really take 100+ posts for someone to point out how stupid this semantic quibbling was, by merely  QUOTING TFA?

Turns out that the subby and those that agree with him/her are actually a retarded, as I think was suspected from the very start of the thread.

/welcome to Fark


Aaaaaand you still don't get it. The point is valid, but the quibbling over semantics is stupid. AQ is happy that they can get weapons so easily (the very same style of weapons that were used in the Mumbai terror attacks) so who cares if they said full auto in stead of semi auto?
 
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