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2013-04-12 11:59:09 AM  

Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like?


You know, I could swear I heard this exact same thing said about Newt Gingrich about a year ago....
 
2013-04-12 11:59:47 AM  

BitwiseShift: Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution


Yes, from the criminal misuse of their products. They remain liable for making defective products, among other things.

It's much like how Toyota isn't liable if someone gets drunk and rams a farmers market, but they  are liable if their cars catch on fire due to a defect.

I don't really see what the problem is here.
 
2013-04-12 12:00:14 PM  

BitwiseShift: The Arms Manufacturers Association NRA's handler is really scared of something. And it has little to do with background checks or the US Constitution.

Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution, the Holy Grail of living in the US, the Get Out of Jail Free card. With guns killing more people than car accidents in at least one state, that's a precious perk to keep at all costs.

If this nonsense and scrutiny about guns keeps up, the gun makers make find themselves in the same boat as drug companies, tobacco companies, trucking companies, hazardous waste disposers and any one else who knows the real meaning of the word liability.

And those guys who sold Bag of Broken Glass as a Halloween treat may have some compassion.


You are correct. No rational reason exists not to hold a manufacturer of a product civilly and criminally liable for damage resulting from criminal misuse of that product by an unrelated third party. If I consume an alcoholic beverage and then operate my motor vehicle while intoxicated, the makers of Tito's vodka and Honda could both be liable should I cause injury or death while doing so.
 
2013-04-12 12:01:52 PM  

heypete: BitwiseShift: Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution

Yes, from the criminal misuse of their products.
They remain liable for making defective products, among other things.

It's much like how Toyota isn't liable if someone gets drunk and rams a farmers market, but they  are liable if their cars catch on fire due to a defect.

I don't really see what the problem is here.


Let's ask people who run certain internet servers about that, hmmm?
 
2013-04-12 12:02:43 PM  

heypete: BitwiseShift: Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution

Yes, from the criminal misuse of their products. They remain liable for making defective products, among other things.

It's much like how Toyota isn't liable if someone gets drunk and rams a farmers market, but they  are liable if their cars catch on fire due to a defect.

I don't really see what the problem is here.


The problem is that firearm manufactures are allowed to conduct legal business without being bankrupted by frivolous lawsuits filed by anti-gun organizations.
 
2013-04-12 12:02:45 PM  

ShadowKamui: Fart_Machine: ShadowKamui: valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.

Well bless your little heart.

She is either a complete idiot or a lying POS on anything relating to guns

Need some cream for your butthurt?

No cause I don't watch terrible news channels that blatantly engages in yellow journalism to advance what ever crappy agenda they're trying to push.


You sound Fair and Balanced.
 
2013-04-12 12:04:40 PM  

Dr Dreidel: heypete: BitwiseShift: Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution

Yes, from the criminal misuse of their products. They remain liable for making defective products, among other things.

It's much like how Toyota isn't liable if someone gets drunk and rams a farmers market, but they  are liable if their cars catch on fire due to a defect.

I don't really see what the problem is here.

Let's ask people who run certain internet servers about that, hmmm?


You are correct. An Internet service provider is directly liable for criminal actions committed by their end-users. If an Internet service provider sells connectivity to an individual who later uses the connection to distribute child pornography, the service provider is instantly and automatically liable for selling the connectivity in the first place.
 
2013-04-12 12:08:31 PM  

Stile4aly: Proof again that you can defeat most GOP arguments by reminding them that scary Muslims would be able to take advantage.


Actually its just proof that we're being trolled.
They'd only make the NRA's case by coming out against gun ownership, so they say the opposite for spite.
Al Queda knows exactly what the mainstream thinks of them and that showingsupport for anything will have the opposite effect of an endorsement.

We're talking about a group that has a penchant for gunning its enemies down in broad daylight, blowing up monuments, and holding entire towns hostage. Its clear that they will never relinquish their weapons no matter what a politician says, so they won't give a damn for any background checks or import restrictions.They are entirely above the need to obey them.
Why would they care how easy it is to buy a firearm?
Why would they want a majority Christian nation to remain as heavily armed as it is now?
If your goal is to become the unquestioned authority of the land then you would never stand for the proliferation of weapons in the hands of people who hate you.

/Study it out.
 
2013-04-12 12:09:15 PM  

Dimensio: Tito's vodka


Really.  My own vodak is just diluted Everclear™. Diluted to the point that static electricity sparks don't ignite it.



i185.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-12 12:10:05 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like?

You know, I could swear I heard this exact same thing said about Newt Gingrich about a year ago....


http://patdollard.com/2011/11/paul-krugman-gingrich-is-what-stupid-p eo ple-think-a-smart-person-sounds-like/
 
2013-04-12 12:10:30 PM  

way south: Stile4aly: Proof again that you can defeat most GOP arguments by reminding them that scary Muslims would be able to take advantage.

Actually its just proof that we're being trolled.
They'd only make the NRA's case by coming out against gun ownership, so they say the opposite for spite.
Al Queda knows exactly what the mainstream thinks of them and that showingsupport for anything will have the opposite effect of an endorsement.

We're talking about a group that has a penchant for gunning its enemies down in broad daylight, blowing up monuments, and holding entire towns hostage. Its clear that they will never relinquish their weapons no matter what a politician says, so they won't give a damn for any background checks or import restrictions.They are entirely above the need to obey them.
Why would they care how easy it is to buy a firearm?
Why would they want a majority Christian nation to remain as heavily armed as it is now?
If your goal is to become the unquestioned authority of the land then you would never stand for the proliferation of weapons in the hands of people who hate you.

/Study it out.


More likely explanation: The video is propaganda intended to incite fear and to inspire action that will have no impact upon the actual terrorist activities of the organization. Any actual response of civilian disarmament is incidental.
 
2013-04-12 12:11:30 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Let's ask people who run certain internet servers about that, hmmm?


I don't really follow. Would you mind explaining?

If a gun manufacturer makes a gun that's defective and explodes, they're liable for that defect. Similarly, if Craftsman makes a hammer that shatters when hitting a nail, they're liable for that defect.

If someone attacks someone with a Craftsman hammer, Craftsman isn't (and shouldn't be) liable for the criminal misuse of that item. Similarly, a gun maker isn't (and shouldn't be) liable for the criminal misuse of their product.
 
2013-04-12 12:13:10 PM  

Fart_Machine: ShadowKamui: Fart_Machine: ShadowKamui: valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.

Well bless your little heart.

She is either a complete idiot or a lying POS on anything relating to guns

Need some cream for your butthurt?

No cause I don't watch terrible news channels that blatantly engages in yellow journalism to advance what ever crappy agenda they're trying to push.

You sound Fair and Balanced.


No I said I don't watch trashy news channels period.

Fox, MSNBC and CNN all suck and are rotten news organizations that feed off your team vs their team and allow tripe like this to get a free pass.
 
2013-04-12 12:16:09 PM  

cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support Tea Party?


FTFY
 
2013-04-12 12:17:38 PM  

heypete: Dr Dreidel: Let's ask people who run certain internet servers about that, hmmm?

I don't really follow. Would you mind explaining?

If a gun manufacturer makes a gun that's defective and explodes, they're liable for that defect. Similarly, if Craftsman makes a hammer that shatters when hitting a nail, they're liable for that defect.

If someone attacks someone with a Craftsman hammer, Craftsman isn't (and shouldn't be) liable for the criminal misuse of that item. Similarly, a gun maker isn't (and shouldn't be) liable for the criminal misuse of their product.


Are you attempting to sincerely argue that, should I use my handgun to commit homicide, Springfield Armory, Storm Lake and Federal Premium Ammunition should all be immune to any resulting liability claims?
 
2013-04-12 12:20:02 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: How are those small arms faring against the US military, anyway?


We haven't won, have we?
 
2013-04-12 12:24:47 PM  

way south: Stile4aly: Proof again that you can defeat most GOP arguments by reminding them that scary Muslims would be able to take advantage.

Actually its just proof that we're being trolled.
They'd only make the NRA's case by coming out against gun ownership, so they say the opposite for spite.
Al Queda knows exactly what the mainstream thinks of them and that showingsupport for anything will have the opposite effect of an endorsement.

We're talking about a group that has a penchant for gunning its enemies down in broad daylight, blowing up monuments, and holding entire towns hostage. Its clear that they will never relinquish their weapons no matter what a politician says, so they won't give a damn for any background checks or import restrictions.They are entirely above the need to obey them.
Why would they care how easy it is to buy a firearm?
Why would they want a majority Christian nation to remain as heavily armed as it is now?
If your goal is to become the unquestioned authority of the land then you would never stand for the proliferation of weapons in the hands of people who hate you.

/Study it out.


Yup it's all part of their conspiracy for taking over the US. You've blown this wide open!
 
2013-04-12 12:25:52 PM  

Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.


Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.
 
2013-04-12 12:26:35 PM  

heypete: Dr Dreidel: Let's ask people who run certain internet servers about that, hmmm?

I don't really follow. Would you mind explaining?


Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution resulting from criminal misuse of their products.

Administrators of internet-connected servers and services do not enjoy the same immunity - they can be prosecuted* for the criminal misuse by others of their products and services.

Seems to me, if the 2nd covers the former, the 1st should cover the latter. Alternatively, if there's an additional law that specifically creates the former situation, why is the latter situation different?

*or am I wrong, and they can only be sued civilly?
 
2013-04-12 12:30:21 PM  

CeroX: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

Agreed, and while i think this whole debate is stupid to begin with, i just went to a gun show a couple months ago and yes, they had fully automatic weapons, one booth even had a fully operational Browning M2 for sale as well as an array of suppressors. BUT, they also had signs requiring ID, a Class C Federal Firearms license, AND posted that phone in background checks are mandatory...

Also that convention was pretty much a giant box of crazy conspiracy theorists and paranoid gun nuts and the vendors were capitalizing on the newtown shooting so basic hunting rifles and shotguns or archery items were replaced with every conceivable "assault" weapon on the market, AND they were asking more than retail for EVERYTHING, except the ECWS sleeping bag i found for nearly 50% of going rate... which was nice... but i digress...


I'll add.... since you know where I am talking about.

The monthly show at the Sharonville convention center. Sundays after 3.

/mind you.. this was '06.


My boss bought 3 AKs. Ask Stan about it. He can tell you about the arsenal our old boss from Loveland had..
 
2013-04-12 12:30:39 PM  

cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?


The Klan endorsed Ronald Reagan. He repudiated the endorsement. Everyone gave St. Ronnie a pat on the back. No one seemed willing to ask the question, "What are the administration's policies, such that they would draw an endorsement from the Klan?" Sometimes who your friends are is revealing. Sometimes it doesn't mean shiat, but it is something to think about. I would presume that their support of OWS would have something to do with some retarded Neo-Nazi belief that Wall Street is a Jewish conspiracy.
 
2013-04-12 12:31:58 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.


That is illegal and is therefore irrelevant.
 
2013-04-12 12:32:44 PM  
FYI: Not all AKs are full auto
 
2013-04-12 12:32:45 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.


That's a semi-auto AK clone, not full-auto. It's treated the same as any other semi-auto rifle. The few full-auto AKs in the US (before the import ban and subsequent closing of the registry) easily more than $10,000.
 
2013-04-12 12:33:20 PM  

heypete: Shadow Blasko: Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.

That's a semi-auto AK clone, not full-auto. It's treated the same as any other semi-auto rifle. The few full-auto AKs in the US (before the import ban and subsequent closing of the registry) easily more than $10,000.


Not counting the homemade ones.... ;)
 
2013-04-12 12:36:25 PM  
 Not suprisingly the far right im America agree with the far right in other countries on many issues.

Hypnozombie
/they hate to hear it but they are both just different sides of the same damn authoritarian coin.
//stupid authoritarian coin
 
2013-04-12 12:36:57 PM  

heypete: Shadow Blasko: Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.

That's a semi-auto AK clone, not full-auto. It's treated the same as any other semi-auto rifle. The few full-auto AKs in the US (before the import ban and subsequent closing of the registry) easily more than $10,000.


Clone or not.. they were select fire with full auto functional. He was shooting with them that evening.
 
2013-04-12 12:38:04 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?

The Klan endorsed Ronald Reagan. He repudiated the endorsement. Everyone gave St. Ronnie a pat on the back. No one seemed willing to ask the question, "What are the administration's policies, such that they would draw an endorsement from the Klan?" Sometimes who your friends are is revealing. Sometimes it doesn't mean shiat, but it is something to think about. I would presume that their support of OWS would have something to do with some retarded Neo-Nazi belief that Wall Street is a Jewish conspiracy.


After Obama was elected the first time I read an interview with some "white pride" asshole who claimed that he was happy Obama won because Obama was going to screw over white people and give shiat away to black people (kind of like the Republicans said) and that this would inflame hatred between the races that would result in a race war and lead to the establishment of a whites only homeland.

Trying to suss out the "reason" neo-nazis say and do the things they say and do is a sure path to a headache.
 
2013-04-12 12:42:01 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution resulting from criminal misuse of their products.


Right.

Administrators of internet-connected servers and services do not enjoy the same immunity - they can be prosecuted* for the criminal misuse by others of their products and services.

Not exactly. US law, including the DMCA, exempts internet providers and services from liability so long as they don't actively monitor users (e.g. if YouTube individually approved the content of each uploaded video and they approved one that violated copyright, they'd be liable) and take appropriate action when informed of infringing content (e.g. YouTube takes down material that violates copyright law).

Laws in other jurisdictions, like in Europe, are similar in certain aspects.

An internet provider can become liable if they don't reasonably implement a policy to deal with users that violate the law.

Seems to me, if the 2nd covers the former, the 1st should cover the latter. Alternatively, if there's an additional law that specifically creates the former situation, why is the latter situation different?

There's a difference between providing a service and making an object.

By continuing to provide a service to a user, even after being notified that the user is violating the law, the provider is assisting in the commission of that crime -- they have the ability to stop the illegal action but aren't. So long as they respond in a reasonably prompt manner to stop the infringing activity, they have no liability.

A gun manufacturer makes a legal product and sells it through legal channels (e.g. to licensed distributors, who sell it to licensed dealers, etc.). They don't have a "remote killswitch" on their products. They cannot have liability for objects that are no longer in their control.

*or am I wrong, and they can only be sued civilly?

I'm not a lawyer. I'm not entirely sure.
 
2013-04-12 12:43:05 PM  

Shadow Blasko: heypete: Shadow Blasko: Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.

That's a semi-auto AK clone, not full-auto. It's treated the same as any other semi-auto rifle. The few full-auto AKs in the US (before the import ban and subsequent closing of the registry) easily more than $10,000.

Clone or not.. they were select fire with full auto functional. He was shooting with them that evening.


So grats on being involved in illegal arms trafficking?
 
2013-04-12 12:45:51 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Clone or not.. they were select fire with full auto functional. He was shooting with them that evening.


It's possible it might have been a post-1986 AK, in which case it's absolutely not legal for a private citizen to own (the registry oftransferable was closed in 1986). If so, it can only be sold to police/military/government or other licensed dealers.

Selling them on a cash-and-carry basis to private people is absurdly illegal. (Like major felony, 10 years in jail, $250,000 fine-type illegal...per transfer.)
 
2013-04-12 12:48:07 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.


I assume that you informed law enforcement agents of this violation of federal law.
 
2013-04-12 12:48:07 PM  

heypete: It's possible it might have been a post-1986 AK, in which case it's absolutely not legal for a private citizen to own (the registry oftransferable was closed in 1986). If so, it can only be sold to police/military/government or other licensed dealers.


Addendum: Post-1986 machine guns, by virtue of being legally available only to police/military/government/licensed dealers, are considerably less expensive than pre-1986 ones which are legally transferable to private citizens.

The limited supply of pre-1986 transferable machine guns has driven their price up significantly.
 
2013-04-12 12:50:47 PM  

ShadowKamui: Shadow Blasko: heypete: Shadow Blasko: Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.

That's a semi-auto AK clone, not full-auto. It's treated the same as any other semi-auto rifle. The few full-auto AKs in the US (before the import ban and subsequent closing of the registry) easily more than $10,000.

Clone or not.. they were select fire with full auto functional. He was shooting with them that evening.

So grats on being involved in illegal arms trafficking?


I had nothing to do with the purchase, or the firing of them.

I just helped him carry his crate full of knives, 550 cord, and assorted items to his truck.

I don't think I'm culpable on this one.

I never touched them.

/ only firearm I own is a 410/22 farm gun.. inherited it from my grandpa.
 
2013-04-12 12:52:02 PM  

Shadow Blasko: only firearm I own is a 410/22 farm gun.. inherited it from my grandpa.


Nice. I've been tempted to get something like that. It seems like it'd make a good "utility" gun for, as the name suggests, a farm or ranch. I have neither, but it might be useful when backpacking.
 
2013-04-12 12:52:37 PM  

Dr Dreidel: heypete: Dr Dreidel: Let's ask people who run certain internet servers about that, hmmm?

I don't really follow. Would you mind explaining?

Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution resulting from criminal misuse of their products.

Administrators of internet-connected servers and services do not enjoy the same immunity - they can be prosecuted* for the criminal misuse by others of their products and services.

Seems to me, if the 2nd covers the former, the 1st should cover the latter. Alternatively, if there's an additional law that specifically creates the former situation, why is the latter situation different?

*or am I wrong, and they can only be sued civilly?


Purchase of Internet connectivity creates a continuing relationship between the purchaser and the provider. Without the continued support of the provider, the purchaser cannot use the service. A provider is therefore able to directly intervene and revoke purchased service if that service is being criminally misused.

Purchase of a firearm does not create a continuing relationship between the purchaser and the provider. A purchaser of a firearm may continue to possess and use that firearm even without cooperation of the firearm manufacturer; the firearm will remain usable even if the manufacturer ceases to operate as a business. A firearm manufacturer is therefore unable to intervene and revoke usage of a sold firearm when a purchaser criminally misuses the firearm.

Liability resulting from continued providing of a service is not comparable to liability resulting from sale of a physical good.
 
2013-04-12 12:54:12 PM  

heypete: Shadow Blasko: only firearm I own is a 410/22 farm gun.. inherited it from my grandpa.

Nice. I've been tempted to get something like that. It seems like it'd make a good "utility" gun for, as the name suggests, a farm or ranch. I have neither, but it might be useful when backpacking.


Its was used for critter dispatch.

Its at least 50 years old. Nice gun.

/was needed on the farm.
 
2013-04-12 12:57:52 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.


So you are admitting to being an accessory/accomplice?

Federal crime.

Not cool.
 
2013-04-12 01:06:49 PM  
"America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms. You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?"

Same position? He's using all the standard lies about gun shows. That quote looks like it came right out of a White House press release.
 
2013-04-12 01:12:12 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.


Never been fired and only dropped once?
 
2013-04-12 01:20:56 PM  

ShadowKamui: valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.

Well bless your little heart.

She is either a complete idiot or a lying POS on anything relating to guns


Saying it doesn't make it true, please provide examples.  Oh wiat, that would mean work, and there is nothing conservatives like to avoid more than actual work.
 
2013-04-12 01:25:43 PM  

phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.


Look at what I bolded.

No, you can't.
 
2013-04-12 01:30:12 PM  

SilentStrider: This is a surprise?
Sometimes it seems like the only difference between the two is their choice of religions.


Not really. They both have a hard-on for the old testement bible. The only real difference is in the name of the book
 
2013-04-12 01:32:04 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?

The Klan endorsed Ronald Reagan. He repudiated the endorsement. Everyone gave St. Ronnie a pat on the back. No one seemed willing to ask the question, "What are the administration's policies, such that they would draw an endorsement from the Klan?" Sometimes who your friends are is revealing. Sometimes it doesn't mean shiat, but it is something to think about. I would presume that their support of OWS would have something to do with some retarded Neo-Nazi belief that Wall Street is a Jewish conspiracy.


You have to look at the totality of the circumstances.   Did you expect the Klan was going to endorse Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale?

What did that leave them with?

It's the same reason why the NRA half-heartedly endorsed both John McCain and Mitt Romney.  Neither of those two was any great friend to gun owners, but the alternative was worse (as events have shown).
 
2013-04-12 01:37:19 PM  

dittybopper: forgotmydamnusername: cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?

The Klan endorsed Ronald Reagan. He repudiated the endorsement. Everyone gave St. Ronnie a pat on the back. No one seemed willing to ask the question, "What are the administration's policies, such that they would draw an endorsement from the Klan?" Sometimes who your friends are is revealing. Sometimes it doesn't mean shiat, but it is something to think about. I would presume that their support of OWS would have something to do with some retarded Neo-Nazi belief that Wall Street is a Jewish conspiracy.

You have to look at the totality of the circumstances.   Did you expect the Klan was going to endorse Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale?

What did that leave them with?

It's the same reason why the NRA half-heartedly endorsed both John McCain and Mitt Romney.  Neither of those two was any great friend to gun owners, but the alternative was worse (as events have shown).


The organization could have retained credibility by endorsing neither candidate, as occurred in 1992.
 
2013-04-12 01:44:45 PM  

dittybopper: phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.

Look at what I bolded.

No, you can't.


He never said legally.
 
2013-04-12 02:34:32 PM  
Yes.  By all means.  Go to a gun show in a turban and a dishdasha muttering "Allahu Akbar" under your breath, then go to a dealer's table and ask to buy a fully automatic weapon, and present no identification while doing so.  There is absolutely nothing that could possibly go wrong with this plan.  You will completely evade the notice of the FBI, ATF, and local police, you will not be led away from the gun show in handcuffs, you will not be indicted with multiple 18 USC 922 and 924 charges, and you will not spend the next 20-60 years in federal PMITA prison.  It's genius, this plan.

Bonus points if you do this in Texas.  Double bonus if you do this in Texas without being shot.

/Triple bonus if Steve Benen tries this himself.
 
2013-04-12 02:55:30 PM  
"Under the NRA's leadership, after all, we have built a national policy system in this area in which if you are on the terrorist watch list, you can't fly on a plane, but you can buy an AR-15 assault rifle and 100-round drum magazine while you're on the terrorist watch list."

'Liberal' solution: Ban guns AND keep the watch list.
 
2013-04-12 04:02:03 PM  
10 out of 10 rapists (and authoritarians) prefer gun control.
 
2013-04-12 04:22:20 PM  
Now if AQ was only handing out money to buy these weapons. I might apply for a grant.
 
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