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2013-04-12 10:12:10 AM  
World Library League endorses local library's stance on books
International Chess Federation endorses US Chess Federation's stance on chess
International Fencing Federation endorses NCAA's stance on Fencing
etc
 
2013-04-12 10:12:19 AM  
This is a surprise?
Sometimes it seems like the only difference between the two is their choice of religions.
 
2013-04-12 10:18:56 AM  
Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?
 
2013-04-12 10:24:13 AM  
FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.
 
2013-04-12 11:22:54 AM  
Al qaeda also wanted the US out of Iraq. OMG Obama is in cahoots with them.
 
2013-04-12 11:23:29 AM  
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Not terribly surprising as the GOP and Al Qaeda go way back.

1/2 troll post
 
2013-04-12 11:24:08 AM  

SilentStrider: This is a surprise?
Sometimes it seems like the only difference between the two is their choice of religions.


Also: facial hair, hats.
 
2013-04-12 11:24:10 AM  
Proof again that you can defeat most GOP arguments by reminding them that scary Muslims would be able to take advantage.
 
2013-04-12 11:24:39 AM  
How are those small arms faring against the US military, anyway?
 
2013-04-12 11:25:06 AM  
"The detail matters,  "

Odd...because a person can buy a gun without a background check at a planned parenthood, an acorn office , a dnc convention, Brady and VPC HQs

It is not limited to gun shows.

What details was the author talking about in regards to mattering?
 
2013-04-12 11:25:33 AM  

Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.


It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.
 
2013-04-12 11:26:01 AM  

The Martian Manhandler: SilentStrider: This is a surprise?
Sometimes it seems like the only difference between the two is their choice of religions.

Also: facial hair, hats.


Those are the two most important parts of the 3 major religions anyway.

Christians/Jews/Muslims - type of beard, type of hat + amount of editing that went on to remove the nastier bits in their respective books
 
2013-04-12 11:26:41 AM  

cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?


Because OWS is a legislating political party. Stupid.
 
2013-04-12 11:26:58 AM  

phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.


Are they required to cross check that number with a real driver's license/make sure it's not a fake before they hand over the gun?

If not, well, thank heaven's there's no way of faking a driver's license.
 
2013-04-12 11:27:00 AM  

Giltric: "The detail matters,  "

Odd...because a person can buy a gun without a background check at a planned parenthood, an acorn office , a dnc convention, Brady and VPC HQs

It is not limited to gun shows.

What details was the author talking about in regards to mattering?


I think the availability of guns at a gun show vs. at a planned parenthood might be a detail worth considering.
 
2013-04-12 11:27:15 AM  
Sounds legit.
 
2013-04-12 11:28:51 AM  

Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.


Agreed, and while i think this whole debate is stupid to begin with, i just went to a gun show a couple months ago and yes, they had fully automatic weapons, one booth even had a fully operational Browning M2 for sale as well as an array of suppressors. BUT, they also had signs requiring ID, a Class C Federal Firearms license, AND posted that phone in background checks are mandatory...

Also that convention was pretty much a giant box of crazy conspiracy theorists and paranoid gun nuts and the vendors were capitalizing on the newtown shooting so basic hunting rifles and shotguns or archery items were replaced with every conceivable "assault" weapon on the market, AND they were asking more than retail for EVERYTHING, except the ECWS sleeping bag i found for nearly 50% of going rate... which was nice... but i digress...
 
2013-04-12 11:29:03 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: How are those small arms faring against the US military, anyway?


Pretty well for being wielded by a bunch of goat herders and farmers with no formal training who are going up against the worlds most technologically advanced military.
 
2013-04-12 11:31:43 AM  

Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: How are those small arms faring against the US military, anyway?

Pretty well for being wielded by a bunch of goat herders and farmers with no formal training


Most of them do not fit that bill.

who are going up against the worlds most technologically advanced military.

So they're getting their asses kicked.
 
2013-04-12 11:31:55 AM  

phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.


Not a fully automatic.  It would be Class III.  Also, it depends on the state anyway.  I did some IT work for a gun store in Georgia and had to set up a system for them to run checks at gun shows.  At least in Georgia, this isn't possible.
 
2013-04-12 11:32:15 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: "The detail matters,  "

Odd...because a person can buy a gun without a background check at a planned parenthood, an acorn office , a dnc convention, Brady and VPC HQs

It is not limited to gun shows.

What details was the author talking about in regards to mattering?

I think the availability of guns at a gun show vs. at a planned parenthood might be a detail worth considering.


How many guns are available to purchase at a gun show that will not require a background check?
 
2013-04-12 11:32:21 AM  

cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?


And Iran endorsed Obama!!
 
2013-04-12 11:32:34 AM  
More bad news for the GOP:  Socialists and Communists also support their position.
 
2013-04-12 11:32:55 AM  

phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.


Transfer of any fully automatic firearm without approval of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives -- a process that itself involves substantial background investigation of the transferee -- is a federal felony punishable by up to ten years in prison.

A member of a terrorist group claiming otherwise does not alter the law, regardless of how much gun ban advocates wish to believe the claim.
 
2013-04-12 11:33:52 AM  

Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: "The detail matters,  "

Odd...because a person can buy a gun without a background check at a planned parenthood, an acorn office , a dnc convention, Brady and VPC HQs

It is not limited to gun shows.

What details was the author talking about in regards to mattering?

I think the availability of guns at a gun show vs. at a planned parenthood might be a detail worth considering.

How many guns are available to purchase at a gun show that will not require a background check?


I don't attend gun shows, people get shot there.
 
2013-04-12 11:34:39 AM  

Dimensio: phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.

Transfer of any fully automatic firearm without approval of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives -- a process that itself involves substantial background investigation of the transferee -- is a federal felony punishable by up to ten years in prison.


^ THIS - Some customers at the gun store I worked at would wait almost a year to get a Class III stamp.  Sometimes, they would wait a year just to be denied.
 
2013-04-12 11:36:33 AM  

Altair: phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.

Not a fully automatic.  It would be Class III.  Also, it depends on the state anyway.  I did some IT work for a gun store in Georgia and had to set up a system for them to run checks at gun shows.  At least in Georgia, this isn't possible.


I beg your pardon. For some reason, I read that as semi auto. You are, indeed, correct.
 
2013-04-12 11:37:38 AM  

CeroX: Agreed, and while i think this whole debate is stupid to begin with, i just went to a gun show a couple months ago and yes, they had fully automatic weapons, one booth even had a fully operational Browning M2 for sale as well as an array of suppressors. BUT, they also had signs requiring ID, a Class C Federal Firearms license, AND posted that phone in background checks are mandatory...


It doesn't really work like that. A person who is not a licensed dealer with a Class III SOT absolutely cannot transfer an NFA item like a machine gun in one day. Even then, I'm not sure that suitable dealers can just fill out some forms and take possession.

For a private person to own such an item, the person needs to fill out an ATF Form 4 (or other similar form, depending on the exact nature of the item), submit all ten fingerprints, get the local chief of police/sheriff to personally vouch for them, pay a $200 tax on the transfer, and be subject to an extensive federal background check. The entire process usually takes more than 3 months (occasionally up to a year).

It is decidedly non-trivial.

/NFA owner
//suppressors are fun, improve safety, and should be de-regulated
 
2013-04-12 11:37:43 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?

And Iran endorsed Obama!!


Uh, didn't they mock him by calling him the equivalent of a "House Negro" or something like that?

Off to the Googles...
 
2013-04-12 11:38:13 AM  
Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.
 
2013-04-12 11:38:59 AM  

Altair: Dimensio: phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.

Transfer of any fully automatic firearm without approval of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives -- a process that itself involves substantial background investigation of the transferee -- is a federal felony punishable by up to ten years in prison.

^ THIS - Some customers at the gun store I worked at would wait almost a year to get a Class III stamp.  Sometimes, they would wait a year just to be denied.


I am still waiting for approval to take possession of a silencer purchased in February. I have been told that, if I am fortunate, I may be able to have the silencer in October.
 
2013-04-12 11:39:12 AM  
images4.wikia.nocookie.net

Registered Democrat that worked on the Gore campaign.

How's that Dems? Feel good about yourselves now?
 
2013-04-12 11:39:18 AM  

Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.


Well bless your little heart.
 
2013-04-12 11:39:23 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: How are those small arms faring against the US military, anyway?

Pretty well for being wielded by a bunch of goat herders and farmers with no formal training

Most of them do not fit that bill.

who are going up against the worlds most technologically advanced military.

So they're getting their asses kicked.


What bill do they fit?

Theyve killed around 10000 soldiers so far, i'll try to find the number of contractors and non combatants killed later.....but only 26 were killed in Newtown and look how incensed and devastated you are about such a small number like 26.

I mean if losing 10000 people is considered kicking their asses......why such a fuss about 26?
 
2013-04-12 11:40:53 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: "The detail matters,  "

Odd...because a person can buy a gun without a background check at a planned parenthood, an acorn office , a dnc convention, Brady and VPC HQs

It is not limited to gun shows.

What details was the author talking about in regards to mattering?

I think the availability of guns at a gun show vs. at a planned parenthood might be a detail worth considering.

How many guns are available to purchase at a gun show that will not require a background check?

I don't attend gun shows, people get shot there.


More or less than the amount who get shot at home?

Do you live at home?
 
2013-04-12 11:40:58 AM  
So AQ has bought into the gun grabbers propaganda?
 
2013-04-12 11:43:22 AM  
And gay marriage and women's rights and freedom of religion and so on...
 
2013-04-12 11:46:28 AM  
"Douche chill"
www.midwestsportsfans.com
 
2013-04-12 11:47:54 AM  

DiamondDave: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 355x270]

Registered Democrat that worked on the Gore campaign.

How's that Dems? Feel good about yourselves now?


Even worse, he's a KU fan. Ugh.
 
2013-04-12 11:48:11 AM  

valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.

Well bless your little heart.


She is either a complete idiot or a lying POS on anything relating to guns
 
2013-04-12 11:48:44 AM  

Dimensio: phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.

Transfer of any fully automatic firearm without approval of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives -- a process that itself involves substantial background investigation of the transferee -- is a federal felony punishable by up to ten years in prison.

A member of a terrorist group claiming otherwise does not alter the law, regardless of how much gun ban advocates wish to believe the claim.


The article points that out. The larger point stands, even if we're getting into semantics.

And to be completely honest, I'd much rather have any attacker armed with (and using it as) a fully automatic rifle than a semi-automatic rifle. It takes, what, 3 seconds to empty a (20 round)magazine on full auto? With the lack of control, I'd wager a mass shooting would have a much better survival rate.

/still pro-gun
//own a few
///there is value in the arguments from both sides
 
2013-04-12 11:50:50 AM  

ShadowKamui: valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.

Well bless your little heart.

She is either a complete idiot or a lying POS on anything relating to guns


Need some cream for your butthurt?
 
2013-04-12 11:51:03 AM  

Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.


Goddam idiot Rhodes Scholar!  Why can't libtards find any good college dropouts like Rush, Beck or Hannity?
 
2013-04-12 11:54:13 AM  
Ms. Maddow also mentioned the problems of individuals on the "terror watch list" being able to purchase firearms, however she failed to mention that individuals on the list are also protected from searches of their homes and effects by law enforcement without a warrant, that they are allowed to vote and that, if charged with a crime, they may expect a trial by jury.
 
2013-04-12 11:55:03 AM  
"America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms. You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?"

In defense of US gun policy, this statement goes beyond untrue and into cartoonishly stupid fantasy territory.  Fully automatic weapons can't be sold or bought outside of dealers and buyers with some very specific licensing, and sales are tracked pretty closely.

This is the kind of drivel spouted by idiots who've never owned a gun in their life, which apparently the political left doesn't have a monopoly on.
 
2013-04-12 11:55:33 AM  
The Arms Manufacturers Association NRA's handler is really scared of something. And it has little to do with background checks or the US Constitution.

Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution, the Holy Grail of living in the US, the Get Out of Jail Free card. With guns killing more people than car accidents in at least one state, that's a precious perk to keep at all costs.

If this nonsense and scrutiny about guns keeps up, the gun makers make find themselves in the same boat as drug companies, tobacco companies, trucking companies, hazardous waste disposers and any one else who knows the real meaning of the word liability.

And those guys who sold Bag of Broken Glass as a Halloween treat may have some compassion.
 
2013-04-12 11:56:59 AM  

Fart_Machine: ShadowKamui: valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.

Well bless your little heart.

She is either a complete idiot or a lying POS on anything relating to guns

Need some cream for your butthurt?


No cause I don't watch terrible news channels that blatantly engages in yellow journalism to advance what ever crappy agenda they're trying to push.
 
2013-04-12 11:57:04 AM  

Dimensio: Ms. Maddow also mentioned the problems of individuals on the "terror watch list" being able to purchase firearms, however she failed to mention that individuals on the list are also protected from searches of their homes and effects by law enforcement without a warrant, that they are allowed to vote and that, if charged with a crime, they may expect a trial by jury.


Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I dislike the idea of potentially shady people getting guns, but people can get added to watchlists without due process. If the government wants to watch someone, that's fine...but until an otherwise-legally-able-to-own-guns person has had their day in court, they still have all the rights and privileges as anyone else.
 
2013-04-12 11:57:33 AM  
"Al-Qaeda is good people. That Osama had some good ideas."

- Gun Nuts
 
2013-04-12 11:59:05 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-12 11:59:09 AM  

Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like?


You know, I could swear I heard this exact same thing said about Newt Gingrich about a year ago....
 
2013-04-12 11:59:47 AM  

BitwiseShift: Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution


Yes, from the criminal misuse of their products. They remain liable for making defective products, among other things.

It's much like how Toyota isn't liable if someone gets drunk and rams a farmers market, but they  are liable if their cars catch on fire due to a defect.

I don't really see what the problem is here.
 
2013-04-12 12:00:14 PM  

BitwiseShift: The Arms Manufacturers Association NRA's handler is really scared of something. And it has little to do with background checks or the US Constitution.

Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution, the Holy Grail of living in the US, the Get Out of Jail Free card. With guns killing more people than car accidents in at least one state, that's a precious perk to keep at all costs.

If this nonsense and scrutiny about guns keeps up, the gun makers make find themselves in the same boat as drug companies, tobacco companies, trucking companies, hazardous waste disposers and any one else who knows the real meaning of the word liability.

And those guys who sold Bag of Broken Glass as a Halloween treat may have some compassion.


You are correct. No rational reason exists not to hold a manufacturer of a product civilly and criminally liable for damage resulting from criminal misuse of that product by an unrelated third party. If I consume an alcoholic beverage and then operate my motor vehicle while intoxicated, the makers of Tito's vodka and Honda could both be liable should I cause injury or death while doing so.
 
2013-04-12 12:01:52 PM  

heypete: BitwiseShift: Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution

Yes, from the criminal misuse of their products.
They remain liable for making defective products, among other things.

It's much like how Toyota isn't liable if someone gets drunk and rams a farmers market, but they  are liable if their cars catch on fire due to a defect.

I don't really see what the problem is here.


Let's ask people who run certain internet servers about that, hmmm?
 
2013-04-12 12:02:43 PM  

heypete: BitwiseShift: Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution

Yes, from the criminal misuse of their products. They remain liable for making defective products, among other things.

It's much like how Toyota isn't liable if someone gets drunk and rams a farmers market, but they  are liable if their cars catch on fire due to a defect.

I don't really see what the problem is here.


The problem is that firearm manufactures are allowed to conduct legal business without being bankrupted by frivolous lawsuits filed by anti-gun organizations.
 
2013-04-12 12:02:45 PM  

ShadowKamui: Fart_Machine: ShadowKamui: valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.

Well bless your little heart.

She is either a complete idiot or a lying POS on anything relating to guns

Need some cream for your butthurt?

No cause I don't watch terrible news channels that blatantly engages in yellow journalism to advance what ever crappy agenda they're trying to push.


You sound Fair and Balanced.
 
2013-04-12 12:04:40 PM  

Dr Dreidel: heypete: BitwiseShift: Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution

Yes, from the criminal misuse of their products. They remain liable for making defective products, among other things.

It's much like how Toyota isn't liable if someone gets drunk and rams a farmers market, but they  are liable if their cars catch on fire due to a defect.

I don't really see what the problem is here.

Let's ask people who run certain internet servers about that, hmmm?


You are correct. An Internet service provider is directly liable for criminal actions committed by their end-users. If an Internet service provider sells connectivity to an individual who later uses the connection to distribute child pornography, the service provider is instantly and automatically liable for selling the connectivity in the first place.
 
2013-04-12 12:08:31 PM  

Stile4aly: Proof again that you can defeat most GOP arguments by reminding them that scary Muslims would be able to take advantage.


Actually its just proof that we're being trolled.
They'd only make the NRA's case by coming out against gun ownership, so they say the opposite for spite.
Al Queda knows exactly what the mainstream thinks of them and that showingsupport for anything will have the opposite effect of an endorsement.

We're talking about a group that has a penchant for gunning its enemies down in broad daylight, blowing up monuments, and holding entire towns hostage. Its clear that they will never relinquish their weapons no matter what a politician says, so they won't give a damn for any background checks or import restrictions.They are entirely above the need to obey them.
Why would they care how easy it is to buy a firearm?
Why would they want a majority Christian nation to remain as heavily armed as it is now?
If your goal is to become the unquestioned authority of the land then you would never stand for the proliferation of weapons in the hands of people who hate you.

/Study it out.
 
2013-04-12 12:09:15 PM  

Dimensio: Tito's vodka


Really.  My own vodak is just diluted Everclear™. Diluted to the point that static electricity sparks don't ignite it.



i185.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-12 12:10:05 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like?

You know, I could swear I heard this exact same thing said about Newt Gingrich about a year ago....


http://patdollard.com/2011/11/paul-krugman-gingrich-is-what-stupid-p eo ple-think-a-smart-person-sounds-like/
 
2013-04-12 12:10:30 PM  

way south: Stile4aly: Proof again that you can defeat most GOP arguments by reminding them that scary Muslims would be able to take advantage.

Actually its just proof that we're being trolled.
They'd only make the NRA's case by coming out against gun ownership, so they say the opposite for spite.
Al Queda knows exactly what the mainstream thinks of them and that showingsupport for anything will have the opposite effect of an endorsement.

We're talking about a group that has a penchant for gunning its enemies down in broad daylight, blowing up monuments, and holding entire towns hostage. Its clear that they will never relinquish their weapons no matter what a politician says, so they won't give a damn for any background checks or import restrictions.They are entirely above the need to obey them.
Why would they care how easy it is to buy a firearm?
Why would they want a majority Christian nation to remain as heavily armed as it is now?
If your goal is to become the unquestioned authority of the land then you would never stand for the proliferation of weapons in the hands of people who hate you.

/Study it out.


More likely explanation: The video is propaganda intended to incite fear and to inspire action that will have no impact upon the actual terrorist activities of the organization. Any actual response of civilian disarmament is incidental.
 
2013-04-12 12:11:30 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Let's ask people who run certain internet servers about that, hmmm?


I don't really follow. Would you mind explaining?

If a gun manufacturer makes a gun that's defective and explodes, they're liable for that defect. Similarly, if Craftsman makes a hammer that shatters when hitting a nail, they're liable for that defect.

If someone attacks someone with a Craftsman hammer, Craftsman isn't (and shouldn't be) liable for the criminal misuse of that item. Similarly, a gun maker isn't (and shouldn't be) liable for the criminal misuse of their product.
 
2013-04-12 12:13:10 PM  

Fart_Machine: ShadowKamui: Fart_Machine: ShadowKamui: valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.

Well bless your little heart.

She is either a complete idiot or a lying POS on anything relating to guns

Need some cream for your butthurt?

No cause I don't watch terrible news channels that blatantly engages in yellow journalism to advance what ever crappy agenda they're trying to push.

You sound Fair and Balanced.


No I said I don't watch trashy news channels period.

Fox, MSNBC and CNN all suck and are rotten news organizations that feed off your team vs their team and allow tripe like this to get a free pass.
 
2013-04-12 12:16:09 PM  

cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support Tea Party?


FTFY
 
2013-04-12 12:17:38 PM  

heypete: Dr Dreidel: Let's ask people who run certain internet servers about that, hmmm?

I don't really follow. Would you mind explaining?

If a gun manufacturer makes a gun that's defective and explodes, they're liable for that defect. Similarly, if Craftsman makes a hammer that shatters when hitting a nail, they're liable for that defect.

If someone attacks someone with a Craftsman hammer, Craftsman isn't (and shouldn't be) liable for the criminal misuse of that item. Similarly, a gun maker isn't (and shouldn't be) liable for the criminal misuse of their product.


Are you attempting to sincerely argue that, should I use my handgun to commit homicide, Springfield Armory, Storm Lake and Federal Premium Ammunition should all be immune to any resulting liability claims?
 
2013-04-12 12:20:02 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: How are those small arms faring against the US military, anyway?


We haven't won, have we?
 
2013-04-12 12:24:47 PM  

way south: Stile4aly: Proof again that you can defeat most GOP arguments by reminding them that scary Muslims would be able to take advantage.

Actually its just proof that we're being trolled.
They'd only make the NRA's case by coming out against gun ownership, so they say the opposite for spite.
Al Queda knows exactly what the mainstream thinks of them and that showingsupport for anything will have the opposite effect of an endorsement.

We're talking about a group that has a penchant for gunning its enemies down in broad daylight, blowing up monuments, and holding entire towns hostage. Its clear that they will never relinquish their weapons no matter what a politician says, so they won't give a damn for any background checks or import restrictions.They are entirely above the need to obey them.
Why would they care how easy it is to buy a firearm?
Why would they want a majority Christian nation to remain as heavily armed as it is now?
If your goal is to become the unquestioned authority of the land then you would never stand for the proliferation of weapons in the hands of people who hate you.

/Study it out.


Yup it's all part of their conspiracy for taking over the US. You've blown this wide open!
 
2013-04-12 12:25:52 PM  

Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.


Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.
 
2013-04-12 12:26:35 PM  

heypete: Dr Dreidel: Let's ask people who run certain internet servers about that, hmmm?

I don't really follow. Would you mind explaining?


Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution resulting from criminal misuse of their products.

Administrators of internet-connected servers and services do not enjoy the same immunity - they can be prosecuted* for the criminal misuse by others of their products and services.

Seems to me, if the 2nd covers the former, the 1st should cover the latter. Alternatively, if there's an additional law that specifically creates the former situation, why is the latter situation different?

*or am I wrong, and they can only be sued civilly?
 
2013-04-12 12:30:21 PM  

CeroX: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

Agreed, and while i think this whole debate is stupid to begin with, i just went to a gun show a couple months ago and yes, they had fully automatic weapons, one booth even had a fully operational Browning M2 for sale as well as an array of suppressors. BUT, they also had signs requiring ID, a Class C Federal Firearms license, AND posted that phone in background checks are mandatory...

Also that convention was pretty much a giant box of crazy conspiracy theorists and paranoid gun nuts and the vendors were capitalizing on the newtown shooting so basic hunting rifles and shotguns or archery items were replaced with every conceivable "assault" weapon on the market, AND they were asking more than retail for EVERYTHING, except the ECWS sleeping bag i found for nearly 50% of going rate... which was nice... but i digress...


I'll add.... since you know where I am talking about.

The monthly show at the Sharonville convention center. Sundays after 3.

/mind you.. this was '06.


My boss bought 3 AKs. Ask Stan about it. He can tell you about the arsenal our old boss from Loveland had..
 
2013-04-12 12:30:39 PM  

cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?


The Klan endorsed Ronald Reagan. He repudiated the endorsement. Everyone gave St. Ronnie a pat on the back. No one seemed willing to ask the question, "What are the administration's policies, such that they would draw an endorsement from the Klan?" Sometimes who your friends are is revealing. Sometimes it doesn't mean shiat, but it is something to think about. I would presume that their support of OWS would have something to do with some retarded Neo-Nazi belief that Wall Street is a Jewish conspiracy.
 
2013-04-12 12:31:58 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.


That is illegal and is therefore irrelevant.
 
2013-04-12 12:32:44 PM  
FYI: Not all AKs are full auto
 
2013-04-12 12:32:45 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.


That's a semi-auto AK clone, not full-auto. It's treated the same as any other semi-auto rifle. The few full-auto AKs in the US (before the import ban and subsequent closing of the registry) easily more than $10,000.
 
2013-04-12 12:33:20 PM  

heypete: Shadow Blasko: Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.

That's a semi-auto AK clone, not full-auto. It's treated the same as any other semi-auto rifle. The few full-auto AKs in the US (before the import ban and subsequent closing of the registry) easily more than $10,000.


Not counting the homemade ones.... ;)
 
2013-04-12 12:36:25 PM  
 Not suprisingly the far right im America agree with the far right in other countries on many issues.

Hypnozombie
/they hate to hear it but they are both just different sides of the same damn authoritarian coin.
//stupid authoritarian coin
 
2013-04-12 12:36:57 PM  

heypete: Shadow Blasko: Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.

That's a semi-auto AK clone, not full-auto. It's treated the same as any other semi-auto rifle. The few full-auto AKs in the US (before the import ban and subsequent closing of the registry) easily more than $10,000.


Clone or not.. they were select fire with full auto functional. He was shooting with them that evening.
 
2013-04-12 12:38:04 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?

The Klan endorsed Ronald Reagan. He repudiated the endorsement. Everyone gave St. Ronnie a pat on the back. No one seemed willing to ask the question, "What are the administration's policies, such that they would draw an endorsement from the Klan?" Sometimes who your friends are is revealing. Sometimes it doesn't mean shiat, but it is something to think about. I would presume that their support of OWS would have something to do with some retarded Neo-Nazi belief that Wall Street is a Jewish conspiracy.


After Obama was elected the first time I read an interview with some "white pride" asshole who claimed that he was happy Obama won because Obama was going to screw over white people and give shiat away to black people (kind of like the Republicans said) and that this would inflame hatred between the races that would result in a race war and lead to the establishment of a whites only homeland.

Trying to suss out the "reason" neo-nazis say and do the things they say and do is a sure path to a headache.
 
2013-04-12 12:42:01 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution resulting from criminal misuse of their products.


Right.

Administrators of internet-connected servers and services do not enjoy the same immunity - they can be prosecuted* for the criminal misuse by others of their products and services.

Not exactly. US law, including the DMCA, exempts internet providers and services from liability so long as they don't actively monitor users (e.g. if YouTube individually approved the content of each uploaded video and they approved one that violated copyright, they'd be liable) and take appropriate action when informed of infringing content (e.g. YouTube takes down material that violates copyright law).

Laws in other jurisdictions, like in Europe, are similar in certain aspects.

An internet provider can become liable if they don't reasonably implement a policy to deal with users that violate the law.

Seems to me, if the 2nd covers the former, the 1st should cover the latter. Alternatively, if there's an additional law that specifically creates the former situation, why is the latter situation different?

There's a difference between providing a service and making an object.

By continuing to provide a service to a user, even after being notified that the user is violating the law, the provider is assisting in the commission of that crime -- they have the ability to stop the illegal action but aren't. So long as they respond in a reasonably prompt manner to stop the infringing activity, they have no liability.

A gun manufacturer makes a legal product and sells it through legal channels (e.g. to licensed distributors, who sell it to licensed dealers, etc.). They don't have a "remote killswitch" on their products. They cannot have liability for objects that are no longer in their control.

*or am I wrong, and they can only be sued civilly?

I'm not a lawyer. I'm not entirely sure.
 
2013-04-12 12:43:05 PM  

Shadow Blasko: heypete: Shadow Blasko: Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.

That's a semi-auto AK clone, not full-auto. It's treated the same as any other semi-auto rifle. The few full-auto AKs in the US (before the import ban and subsequent closing of the registry) easily more than $10,000.

Clone or not.. they were select fire with full auto functional. He was shooting with them that evening.


So grats on being involved in illegal arms trafficking?
 
2013-04-12 12:45:51 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Clone or not.. they were select fire with full auto functional. He was shooting with them that evening.


It's possible it might have been a post-1986 AK, in which case it's absolutely not legal for a private citizen to own (the registry oftransferable was closed in 1986). If so, it can only be sold to police/military/government or other licensed dealers.

Selling them on a cash-and-carry basis to private people is absurdly illegal. (Like major felony, 10 years in jail, $250,000 fine-type illegal...per transfer.)
 
2013-04-12 12:48:07 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.


I assume that you informed law enforcement agents of this violation of federal law.
 
2013-04-12 12:48:07 PM  

heypete: It's possible it might have been a post-1986 AK, in which case it's absolutely not legal for a private citizen to own (the registry oftransferable was closed in 1986). If so, it can only be sold to police/military/government or other licensed dealers.


Addendum: Post-1986 machine guns, by virtue of being legally available only to police/military/government/licensed dealers, are considerably less expensive than pre-1986 ones which are legally transferable to private citizens.

The limited supply of pre-1986 transferable machine guns has driven their price up significantly.
 
2013-04-12 12:50:47 PM  

ShadowKamui: Shadow Blasko: heypete: Shadow Blasko: Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.

That's a semi-auto AK clone, not full-auto. It's treated the same as any other semi-auto rifle. The few full-auto AKs in the US (before the import ban and subsequent closing of the registry) easily more than $10,000.

Clone or not.. they were select fire with full auto functional. He was shooting with them that evening.

So grats on being involved in illegal arms trafficking?


I had nothing to do with the purchase, or the firing of them.

I just helped him carry his crate full of knives, 550 cord, and assorted items to his truck.

I don't think I'm culpable on this one.

I never touched them.

/ only firearm I own is a 410/22 farm gun.. inherited it from my grandpa.
 
2013-04-12 12:52:02 PM  

Shadow Blasko: only firearm I own is a 410/22 farm gun.. inherited it from my grandpa.


Nice. I've been tempted to get something like that. It seems like it'd make a good "utility" gun for, as the name suggests, a farm or ranch. I have neither, but it might be useful when backpacking.
 
2013-04-12 12:52:37 PM  

Dr Dreidel: heypete: Dr Dreidel: Let's ask people who run certain internet servers about that, hmmm?

I don't really follow. Would you mind explaining?

Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution resulting from criminal misuse of their products.

Administrators of internet-connected servers and services do not enjoy the same immunity - they can be prosecuted* for the criminal misuse by others of their products and services.

Seems to me, if the 2nd covers the former, the 1st should cover the latter. Alternatively, if there's an additional law that specifically creates the former situation, why is the latter situation different?

*or am I wrong, and they can only be sued civilly?


Purchase of Internet connectivity creates a continuing relationship between the purchaser and the provider. Without the continued support of the provider, the purchaser cannot use the service. A provider is therefore able to directly intervene and revoke purchased service if that service is being criminally misused.

Purchase of a firearm does not create a continuing relationship between the purchaser and the provider. A purchaser of a firearm may continue to possess and use that firearm even without cooperation of the firearm manufacturer; the firearm will remain usable even if the manufacturer ceases to operate as a business. A firearm manufacturer is therefore unable to intervene and revoke usage of a sold firearm when a purchaser criminally misuses the firearm.

Liability resulting from continued providing of a service is not comparable to liability resulting from sale of a physical good.
 
2013-04-12 12:54:12 PM  

heypete: Shadow Blasko: only firearm I own is a 410/22 farm gun.. inherited it from my grandpa.

Nice. I've been tempted to get something like that. It seems like it'd make a good "utility" gun for, as the name suggests, a farm or ranch. I have neither, but it might be useful when backpacking.


Its was used for critter dispatch.

Its at least 50 years old. Nice gun.

/was needed on the farm.
 
2013-04-12 12:57:52 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.


So you are admitting to being an accessory/accomplice?

Federal crime.

Not cool.
 
2013-04-12 01:06:49 PM  
"America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms. You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?"

Same position? He's using all the standard lies about gun shows. That quote looks like it came right out of a White House press release.
 
2013-04-12 01:12:12 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

Seen it. Was there.. helped carry them out. It does happen.

/Romanian AK's. $350 cash and carry, with soft case and 3 magazines.


Never been fired and only dropped once?
 
2013-04-12 01:20:56 PM  

ShadowKamui: valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.

Well bless your little heart.

She is either a complete idiot or a lying POS on anything relating to guns


Saying it doesn't make it true, please provide examples.  Oh wiat, that would mean work, and there is nothing conservatives like to avoid more than actual work.
 
2013-04-12 01:25:43 PM  

phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.


Look at what I bolded.

No, you can't.
 
2013-04-12 01:30:12 PM  

SilentStrider: This is a surprise?
Sometimes it seems like the only difference between the two is their choice of religions.


Not really. They both have a hard-on for the old testement bible. The only real difference is in the name of the book
 
2013-04-12 01:32:04 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?

The Klan endorsed Ronald Reagan. He repudiated the endorsement. Everyone gave St. Ronnie a pat on the back. No one seemed willing to ask the question, "What are the administration's policies, such that they would draw an endorsement from the Klan?" Sometimes who your friends are is revealing. Sometimes it doesn't mean shiat, but it is something to think about. I would presume that their support of OWS would have something to do with some retarded Neo-Nazi belief that Wall Street is a Jewish conspiracy.


You have to look at the totality of the circumstances.   Did you expect the Klan was going to endorse Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale?

What did that leave them with?

It's the same reason why the NRA half-heartedly endorsed both John McCain and Mitt Romney.  Neither of those two was any great friend to gun owners, but the alternative was worse (as events have shown).
 
2013-04-12 01:37:19 PM  

dittybopper: forgotmydamnusername: cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?

The Klan endorsed Ronald Reagan. He repudiated the endorsement. Everyone gave St. Ronnie a pat on the back. No one seemed willing to ask the question, "What are the administration's policies, such that they would draw an endorsement from the Klan?" Sometimes who your friends are is revealing. Sometimes it doesn't mean shiat, but it is something to think about. I would presume that their support of OWS would have something to do with some retarded Neo-Nazi belief that Wall Street is a Jewish conspiracy.

You have to look at the totality of the circumstances.   Did you expect the Klan was going to endorse Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale?

What did that leave them with?

It's the same reason why the NRA half-heartedly endorsed both John McCain and Mitt Romney.  Neither of those two was any great friend to gun owners, but the alternative was worse (as events have shown).


The organization could have retained credibility by endorsing neither candidate, as occurred in 1992.
 
2013-04-12 01:44:45 PM  

dittybopper: phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.

Look at what I bolded.

No, you can't.


He never said legally.
 
2013-04-12 02:34:32 PM  
Yes.  By all means.  Go to a gun show in a turban and a dishdasha muttering "Allahu Akbar" under your breath, then go to a dealer's table and ask to buy a fully automatic weapon, and present no identification while doing so.  There is absolutely nothing that could possibly go wrong with this plan.  You will completely evade the notice of the FBI, ATF, and local police, you will not be led away from the gun show in handcuffs, you will not be indicted with multiple 18 USC 922 and 924 charges, and you will not spend the next 20-60 years in federal PMITA prison.  It's genius, this plan.

Bonus points if you do this in Texas.  Double bonus if you do this in Texas without being shot.

/Triple bonus if Steve Benen tries this himself.
 
2013-04-12 02:55:30 PM  
"Under the NRA's leadership, after all, we have built a national policy system in this area in which if you are on the terrorist watch list, you can't fly on a plane, but you can buy an AR-15 assault rifle and 100-round drum magazine while you're on the terrorist watch list."

'Liberal' solution: Ban guns AND keep the watch list.
 
2013-04-12 04:02:03 PM  
10 out of 10 rapists (and authoritarians) prefer gun control.
 
2013-04-12 04:22:20 PM  
Now if AQ was only handing out money to buy these weapons. I might apply for a grant.
 
2013-04-12 04:41:22 PM  

Nome de Plume: 10 out of 10 rapists (and authoritarians) prefer gun control.


Four out of five polled approve of gang rape!
 
2013-04-12 06:26:27 PM  

Wittenberg Dropout: Now if AQ was only handing out money to buy these weapons. I might apply for a grant.




Al Queda is so broke they expect you to buy your own guns.
Maybe you should drop a line to Cobra Commander?

/less religion, spiffier uniforms.
 
2013-04-12 07:02:50 PM  

dittybopper: forgotmydamnusername: cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?

The Klan endorsed Ronald Reagan. He repudiated the endorsement. Everyone gave St. Ronnie a pat on the back. No one seemed willing to ask the question, "What are the administration's policies, such that they would draw an endorsement from the Klan?" Sometimes who your friends are is revealing. Sometimes it doesn't mean shiat, but it is something to think about. I would presume that their support of OWS would have something to do with some retarded Neo-Nazi belief that Wall Street is a Jewish conspiracy.

You have to look at the totality of the circumstances.   Did you expect the Klan was going to endorse Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale?

What did that leave them with?

It's the same reason why the NRA half-heartedly endorsed both John McCain and Mitt Romney.  Neither of those two was any great friend to gun owners, but the alternative was worse (as events have shown).


As best I remember, Gerald Ford didn't have to worry about the Klan's endorsement in '76, despite his patron Nixon's heavy reliance on the Southern Strategy in the previous 2 elections. The Klan's endorsement of Reagan probably had something to do with his willingness to rely on dogwhistle language while attacking welfare. Anyway, all this is a bit aside the point. If Al Quaeda is a friend of the Second Amendment, I'm sure it's because they're hoping to take advantage of the relatively unrestricted American civilian firearms market at some point, just as Mexican drug cartels have done, and the IRA once did. One of the reasons the Provos settled on the AR15 as a weapon of choice is that Catholic Irish sympathizers could easily procure them here, and quietly ship them there. Upon reflection, I really don't give a damn about this. It's a dangerous world, although your risk of being offed by a terrorist is still tremendously less than your risk of being run down in a crosswalk. We won't make it that much safer, but we will certainly manage to greatly inconvenience a lot of people who would never ever consider going on a shooting rampage at an elementary school, or hanging around with the Mexican Mafia.
 
2013-04-12 07:25:01 PM  
Hitler was a vegetarian.... should we outlaw vegetarians?
 
2013-04-12 07:29:49 PM  

Altair: Hitler was a vegetarian.... should we outlaw vegetarians?


i617.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-12 07:44:40 PM  

unlikely: World Library League endorses local library's stance on books
International Chess Federation endorses US Chess Federation's stance on chess
International Fencing Federation endorses NCAA's stance on Fencing
etc


cdn.niketalk.com
 
2013-04-12 08:16:07 PM  

MasterThief: Yes.  By all means.  Go to a gun show in a turban and a dishdasha muttering "Allahu Akbar" under your breath, then go to a dealer's table and ask to buy a fully automatic weapon, and present no identification while doing so.  There is absolutely nothing that could possibly go wrong with this plan.  You will completely evade the notice of the FBI, ATF, and local police, you will not be led away from the gun show in handcuffs, you will not be indicted with multiple 18 USC 922 and 924 charges, and you will not spend the next 20-60 years in federal PMITA prison.  It's genius, this plan.

Bonus points if you do this in Texas.  Double bonus if you do this in Texas without being shot.

/Triple bonus if Steve Benen tries this himself.


It's a rather odd thing. We're told gun owners are RWAs who hate Muslims yet they also love selling Muslim terrorists weapons so they may kill more Christians.

It's a rather obvious disconnect.

Shadow Blasko: Clone or not.. they were select fire with full auto functional. He was shooting with them that evening.


Then they're absolutely illegal as there's no way you're paying $350 for a select fire AK-47. That was the price of a semi-auto version though. There's no way to modify an AK-47 to do so without breaking the law.

In fact, this type of discussion is frowned on most gun boards because talk of illegality witnessed invites unwarranted attention from the BATFE.
 
2013-04-12 08:48:40 PM  
An Inconvenient Truth 2: The Al Queda Lobby. Now playing.
 
2013-04-12 09:29:36 PM  

Apos: An Inconvenient Truth 2: The Al Queda Lobby Electric Boogaloo. Now playing.


FTFY
 
2013-04-13 01:04:05 AM  

MasterThief: Yes.  By all means.  Go to a gun show in a turban and a dishdasha muttering "Allahu Akbar" under your breath, then go to a dealer's table and ask to buy a fully automatic weapon, and present no identification while doing so.  There is absolutely nothing that could possibly go wrong with this plan.  You will completely evade the notice of the FBI, ATF, and local police, you will not be led away from the gun show in handcuffs, you will not be indicted with multiple 18 USC 922 and 924 charges, and you will not spend the next 20-60 years in federal PMITA prison.  It's genius, this plan.

Bonus points if you do this in Texas.  Double bonus if you do this in Texas without being shot.

/Triple bonus if Steve Benen tries this himself.


...except nobody who wants to buy a gun illegally is going to do something so stupidly obvious. They're going to go as inconspicuously as possible, wearing jeans and a t-shirt, beard neatly trimmed and baseball cap with the Confederate flag prominently displayed. They'll make a derogatory comment about Obama's heritage and joke about killing terrorists, and THEN they'll ask for a full-auto Glock AR-47 tactical assault rifle, pay cash, and explain the cops confiscated their ID last night when they were driving home drunk from the bar.

And they'll do it in Texas.
 
2013-04-13 03:18:39 AM  
To all the morons yacking on about the full auto/semi auto distinction and how it completely destroys the point, this is what TFA says:

I should note, by the way, that al Qaeda's description of American laws was not entirely accurate. Would-be terrorists cannot buy a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show, but they can buy a semi-automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show. The detail matters, but the larger point remains the same.

Indeed, as Timothy Johnson noted, the ATF identified gun shows as "a major venue for illegal trafficking" of firearms, and has specifically linked private sales at gun shows to trafficking operations -- some involving Mexican drug cartels. A member of Hezbollah also bought weapons at gun shows in Michigan.


So yeah, maybe try not being illiterate and/or unthinking reactionaries next time?
 
2013-04-13 03:29:37 AM  

cptjeff: To all the morons yacking on about the full auto/semi auto distinction and how it completely destroys the point, this is what TFA says:

I should note, by the way, that al Qaeda's description of American laws was not entirely accurate. Would-be terrorists cannot buy a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show, but they can buy a semi-automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show. The detail matters, but the larger point remains the same.

Indeed, as Timothy Johnson noted, the ATF identified gun shows as "a major venue for illegal trafficking" of firearms, and has specifically linked private sales at gun shows to trafficking operations -- some involving Mexican drug cartels. A member of Hezbollah also bought weapons at gun shows in Michigan.

So yeah, maybe try not being illiterate and/or unthinking reactionaries next time?


I'll make you a deal. The next time MSNBC corrects another Al Qaeda quote, I will send you a month of TF. The next time an elected congressional member (D or R) refers to the ability to buy assault rifles or automatic weapons with no background check, you send me a month of TF. We'll see who gets sponsored first.

/it'd only be an issue if it weren't repeatedly misstated* or lied* about

* assume whichever you please
 
2013-04-13 03:31:12 AM  

Ned Stark: Al qaeda also wanted the US out of Iraq. OMG Obama is in cahoots with them.


No, they wanted the US IN Iraq, and bankrupting themselves.
 
2013-04-13 03:37:46 AM  

ShadowKamui: valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.

Well bless your little heart.

She is either a complete idiot or a lying POS on anything relating to guns


Slander much?
 
2013-04-13 03:42:26 AM  

redmid17: I'll make you a deal.


No. I don't take responsibly for anyone's positions and statements but my own.
 
2013-04-13 03:58:00 AM  

cptjeff: To all the morons yacking on about the full auto/semi auto distinction and how it completely destroys the point, this is what TFA says:

I should note, by the way, that al Qaeda's description of American laws was not entirely accurate. Would-be terrorists cannot buy a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show, but they can buy a semi-automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show. The detail matters, but the larger point remains the same.

Indeed, as Timothy Johnson noted, the ATF identified gun shows as "a major venue for illegal trafficking" of firearms, and has specifically linked private sales at gun shows to trafficking operations -- some involving Mexican drug cartels. A member of Hezbollah also bought weapons at gun shows in Michigan.

So yeah, maybe try not being illiterate and/or unthinking reactionaries next time?


Did it really take 100+ posts for someone to point out how stupid this semantic quibbling was, by merely  QUOTING TFA?
 
2013-04-13 04:26:22 AM  

cptjeff: redmid17: I'll make you a deal.

No. I don't take responsibly for anyone's positions and statements but my own.


Then don't bother posting shiat you won't back up. People can read the article. People read the article. People who know anything about the issue at hand should know it was false by merely reading the first sentence.
 
2013-04-13 12:26:22 PM  

Rhino_man: cptjeff: To all the morons yacking on about the full auto/semi auto distinction and how it completely destroys the point, this is what TFA says:

I should note, by the way, that al Qaeda's description of American laws was not entirely accurate. Would-be terrorists cannot buy a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show, but they can buy a semi-automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show. The detail matters, but the larger point remains the same.

Indeed, as Timothy Johnson noted, the ATF identified gun shows as "a major venue for illegal trafficking" of firearms, and has specifically linked private sales at gun shows to trafficking operations -- some involving Mexican drug cartels. A member of Hezbollah also bought weapons at gun shows in Michigan.

So yeah, maybe try not being illiterate and/or unthinking reactionaries next time?

Did it really take 100+ posts for someone to point out how stupid this semantic quibbling was, by merely  QUOTING TFA?


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2013-04-13 01:18:52 PM  

Rhino_man: cptjeff: To all the morons yacking on about the full auto/semi auto distinction and how it completely destroys the point, this is what TFA says:

I should note, by the way, that al Qaeda's description of American laws was not entirely accurate. Would-be terrorists cannot buy a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show, but they can buy a semi-automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show. The detail matters, but the larger point remains the same.

Indeed, as Timothy Johnson noted, the ATF identified gun shows as "a major venue for illegal trafficking" of firearms, and has specifically linked private sales at gun shows to trafficking operations -- some involving Mexican drug cartels. A member of Hezbollah also bought weapons at gun shows in Michigan.

So yeah, maybe try not being illiterate and/or unthinking reactionaries next time?

Did it really take 100+ posts for someone to point out how stupid this semantic quibbling was, by merely  QUOTING TFA?


Turns out that the subby and those that agree with him/her are actually a retarded, as I think was suspected from the very start of the thread.

/welcome to Fark
 
2013-04-13 03:20:50 PM  

robrr2003: Rhino_man: cptjeff: To all the morons yacking on about the full auto/semi auto distinction and how it completely destroys the point, this is what TFA says:

I should note, by the way, that al Qaeda's description of American laws was not entirely accurate. Would-be terrorists cannot buy a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show, but they can buy a semi-automatic assault rifle without a background check at a gun show. The detail matters, but the larger point remains the same.

Indeed, as Timothy Johnson noted, the ATF identified gun shows as "a major venue for illegal trafficking" of firearms, and has specifically linked private sales at gun shows to trafficking operations -- some involving Mexican drug cartels. A member of Hezbollah also bought weapons at gun shows in Michigan.

So yeah, maybe try not being illiterate and/or unthinking reactionaries next time?

Did it really take 100+ posts for someone to point out how stupid this semantic quibbling was, by merely  QUOTING TFA?

Turns out that the subby and those that agree with him/her are actually a retarded, as I think was suspected from the very start of the thread.

/welcome to Fark


Aaaaaand you still don't get it. The point is valid, but the quibbling over semantics is stupid. AQ is happy that they can get weapons so easily (the very same style of weapons that were used in the Mumbai terror attacks) so who cares if they said full auto in stead of semi auto?
 
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