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2013-04-12 10:12:10 AM  
World Library League endorses local library's stance on books
International Chess Federation endorses US Chess Federation's stance on chess
International Fencing Federation endorses NCAA's stance on Fencing
etc
 
2013-04-12 10:12:19 AM  
This is a surprise?
Sometimes it seems like the only difference between the two is their choice of religions.
 
2013-04-12 10:18:56 AM  
Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?
 
2013-04-12 10:24:13 AM  
FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.
 
2013-04-12 11:22:54 AM  
Al qaeda also wanted the US out of Iraq. OMG Obama is in cahoots with them.
 
2013-04-12 11:23:29 AM  
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Not terribly surprising as the GOP and Al Qaeda go way back.

1/2 troll post
 
2013-04-12 11:24:08 AM  

SilentStrider: This is a surprise?
Sometimes it seems like the only difference between the two is their choice of religions.


Also: facial hair, hats.
 
2013-04-12 11:24:10 AM  
Proof again that you can defeat most GOP arguments by reminding them that scary Muslims would be able to take advantage.
 
2013-04-12 11:24:39 AM  
How are those small arms faring against the US military, anyway?
 
2013-04-12 11:25:06 AM  
"The detail matters,  "

Odd...because a person can buy a gun without a background check at a planned parenthood, an acorn office , a dnc convention, Brady and VPC HQs

It is not limited to gun shows.

What details was the author talking about in regards to mattering?
 
2013-04-12 11:25:33 AM  

Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.


It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.
 
2013-04-12 11:26:01 AM  

The Martian Manhandler: SilentStrider: This is a surprise?
Sometimes it seems like the only difference between the two is their choice of religions.

Also: facial hair, hats.


Those are the two most important parts of the 3 major religions anyway.

Christians/Jews/Muslims - type of beard, type of hat + amount of editing that went on to remove the nastier bits in their respective books
 
2013-04-12 11:26:41 AM  

cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?


Because OWS is a legislating political party. Stupid.
 
2013-04-12 11:26:58 AM  

phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.


Are they required to cross check that number with a real driver's license/make sure it's not a fake before they hand over the gun?

If not, well, thank heaven's there's no way of faking a driver's license.
 
2013-04-12 11:27:00 AM  

Giltric: "The detail matters,  "

Odd...because a person can buy a gun without a background check at a planned parenthood, an acorn office , a dnc convention, Brady and VPC HQs

It is not limited to gun shows.

What details was the author talking about in regards to mattering?


I think the availability of guns at a gun show vs. at a planned parenthood might be a detail worth considering.
 
2013-04-12 11:27:15 AM  
Sounds legit.
 
2013-04-12 11:28:51 AM  

Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.


Agreed, and while i think this whole debate is stupid to begin with, i just went to a gun show a couple months ago and yes, they had fully automatic weapons, one booth even had a fully operational Browning M2 for sale as well as an array of suppressors. BUT, they also had signs requiring ID, a Class C Federal Firearms license, AND posted that phone in background checks are mandatory...

Also that convention was pretty much a giant box of crazy conspiracy theorists and paranoid gun nuts and the vendors were capitalizing on the newtown shooting so basic hunting rifles and shotguns or archery items were replaced with every conceivable "assault" weapon on the market, AND they were asking more than retail for EVERYTHING, except the ECWS sleeping bag i found for nearly 50% of going rate... which was nice... but i digress...
 
2013-04-12 11:29:03 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: How are those small arms faring against the US military, anyway?


Pretty well for being wielded by a bunch of goat herders and farmers with no formal training who are going up against the worlds most technologically advanced military.
 
2013-04-12 11:31:43 AM  

Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: How are those small arms faring against the US military, anyway?

Pretty well for being wielded by a bunch of goat herders and farmers with no formal training


Most of them do not fit that bill.

who are going up against the worlds most technologically advanced military.

So they're getting their asses kicked.
 
2013-04-12 11:31:55 AM  

phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.


Not a fully automatic.  It would be Class III.  Also, it depends on the state anyway.  I did some IT work for a gun store in Georgia and had to set up a system for them to run checks at gun shows.  At least in Georgia, this isn't possible.
 
2013-04-12 11:32:15 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: "The detail matters,  "

Odd...because a person can buy a gun without a background check at a planned parenthood, an acorn office , a dnc convention, Brady and VPC HQs

It is not limited to gun shows.

What details was the author talking about in regards to mattering?

I think the availability of guns at a gun show vs. at a planned parenthood might be a detail worth considering.


How many guns are available to purchase at a gun show that will not require a background check?
 
2013-04-12 11:32:21 AM  

cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?


And Iran endorsed Obama!!
 
2013-04-12 11:32:34 AM  
More bad news for the GOP:  Socialists and Communists also support their position.
 
2013-04-12 11:32:55 AM  

phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.


Transfer of any fully automatic firearm without approval of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives -- a process that itself involves substantial background investigation of the transferee -- is a federal felony punishable by up to ten years in prison.

A member of a terrorist group claiming otherwise does not alter the law, regardless of how much gun ban advocates wish to believe the claim.
 
2013-04-12 11:33:52 AM  

Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: "The detail matters,  "

Odd...because a person can buy a gun without a background check at a planned parenthood, an acorn office , a dnc convention, Brady and VPC HQs

It is not limited to gun shows.

What details was the author talking about in regards to mattering?

I think the availability of guns at a gun show vs. at a planned parenthood might be a detail worth considering.

How many guns are available to purchase at a gun show that will not require a background check?


I don't attend gun shows, people get shot there.
 
2013-04-12 11:34:39 AM  

Dimensio: phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.

Transfer of any fully automatic firearm without approval of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives -- a process that itself involves substantial background investigation of the transferee -- is a federal felony punishable by up to ten years in prison.


^ THIS - Some customers at the gun store I worked at would wait almost a year to get a Class III stamp.  Sometimes, they would wait a year just to be denied.
 
2013-04-12 11:36:33 AM  

Altair: phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.

Not a fully automatic.  It would be Class III.  Also, it depends on the state anyway.  I did some IT work for a gun store in Georgia and had to set up a system for them to run checks at gun shows.  At least in Georgia, this isn't possible.


I beg your pardon. For some reason, I read that as semi auto. You are, indeed, correct.
 
2013-04-12 11:37:38 AM  

CeroX: Agreed, and while i think this whole debate is stupid to begin with, i just went to a gun show a couple months ago and yes, they had fully automatic weapons, one booth even had a fully operational Browning M2 for sale as well as an array of suppressors. BUT, they also had signs requiring ID, a Class C Federal Firearms license, AND posted that phone in background checks are mandatory...


It doesn't really work like that. A person who is not a licensed dealer with a Class III SOT absolutely cannot transfer an NFA item like a machine gun in one day. Even then, I'm not sure that suitable dealers can just fill out some forms and take possession.

For a private person to own such an item, the person needs to fill out an ATF Form 4 (or other similar form, depending on the exact nature of the item), submit all ten fingerprints, get the local chief of police/sheriff to personally vouch for them, pay a $200 tax on the transfer, and be subject to an extensive federal background check. The entire process usually takes more than 3 months (occasionally up to a year).

It is decidedly non-trivial.

/NFA owner
//suppressors are fun, improve safety, and should be de-regulated
 
2013-04-12 11:37:43 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: cman: Didnt Neo-Nazi's support OWS?

And Iran endorsed Obama!!


Uh, didn't they mock him by calling him the equivalent of a "House Negro" or something like that?

Off to the Googles...
 
2013-04-12 11:38:13 AM  
Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.
 
2013-04-12 11:38:59 AM  

Altair: Dimensio: phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.

Transfer of any fully automatic firearm without approval of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives -- a process that itself involves substantial background investigation of the transferee -- is a federal felony punishable by up to ten years in prison.

^ THIS - Some customers at the gun store I worked at would wait almost a year to get a Class III stamp.  Sometimes, they would wait a year just to be denied.


I am still waiting for approval to take possession of a silencer purchased in February. I have been told that, if I am fortunate, I may be able to have the silencer in October.
 
2013-04-12 11:39:12 AM  
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Registered Democrat that worked on the Gore campaign.

How's that Dems? Feel good about yourselves now?
 
2013-04-12 11:39:18 AM  

Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.


Well bless your little heart.
 
2013-04-12 11:39:23 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: How are those small arms faring against the US military, anyway?

Pretty well for being wielded by a bunch of goat herders and farmers with no formal training

Most of them do not fit that bill.

who are going up against the worlds most technologically advanced military.

So they're getting their asses kicked.


What bill do they fit?

Theyve killed around 10000 soldiers so far, i'll try to find the number of contractors and non combatants killed later.....but only 26 were killed in Newtown and look how incensed and devastated you are about such a small number like 26.

I mean if losing 10000 people is considered kicking their asses......why such a fuss about 26?
 
2013-04-12 11:40:53 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: "The detail matters,  "

Odd...because a person can buy a gun without a background check at a planned parenthood, an acorn office , a dnc convention, Brady and VPC HQs

It is not limited to gun shows.

What details was the author talking about in regards to mattering?

I think the availability of guns at a gun show vs. at a planned parenthood might be a detail worth considering.

How many guns are available to purchase at a gun show that will not require a background check?

I don't attend gun shows, people get shot there.


More or less than the amount who get shot at home?

Do you live at home?
 
2013-04-12 11:40:58 AM  
So AQ has bought into the gun grabbers propaganda?
 
2013-04-12 11:43:22 AM  
And gay marriage and women's rights and freedom of religion and so on...
 
2013-04-12 11:46:28 AM  
"Douche chill"
www.midwestsportsfans.com
 
2013-04-12 11:47:54 AM  

DiamondDave: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 355x270]

Registered Democrat that worked on the Gore campaign.

How's that Dems? Feel good about yourselves now?


Even worse, he's a KU fan. Ugh.
 
2013-04-12 11:48:11 AM  

valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.

Well bless your little heart.


She is either a complete idiot or a lying POS on anything relating to guns
 
2013-04-12 11:48:44 AM  

Dimensio: phenn: Altair: FTFA:  You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card.

Bullshiat.

It can be done without a background check. But, you do have to record your driver's license number on the bill of sale.

Transfer of any fully automatic firearm without approval of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives -- a process that itself involves substantial background investigation of the transferee -- is a federal felony punishable by up to ten years in prison.

A member of a terrorist group claiming otherwise does not alter the law, regardless of how much gun ban advocates wish to believe the claim.


The article points that out. The larger point stands, even if we're getting into semantics.

And to be completely honest, I'd much rather have any attacker armed with (and using it as) a fully automatic rifle than a semi-automatic rifle. It takes, what, 3 seconds to empty a (20 round)magazine on full auto? With the lack of control, I'd wager a mass shooting would have a much better survival rate.

/still pro-gun
//own a few
///there is value in the arguments from both sides
 
2013-04-12 11:50:50 AM  

ShadowKamui: valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.

Well bless your little heart.

She is either a complete idiot or a lying POS on anything relating to guns


Need some cream for your butthurt?
 
2013-04-12 11:51:03 AM  

Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.


Goddam idiot Rhodes Scholar!  Why can't libtards find any good college dropouts like Rush, Beck or Hannity?
 
2013-04-12 11:54:13 AM  
Ms. Maddow also mentioned the problems of individuals on the "terror watch list" being able to purchase firearms, however she failed to mention that individuals on the list are also protected from searches of their homes and effects by law enforcement without a warrant, that they are allowed to vote and that, if charged with a crime, they may expect a trial by jury.
 
2013-04-12 11:55:03 AM  
"America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms. You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?"

In defense of US gun policy, this statement goes beyond untrue and into cartoonishly stupid fantasy territory.  Fully automatic weapons can't be sold or bought outside of dealers and buyers with some very specific licensing, and sales are tracked pretty closely.

This is the kind of drivel spouted by idiots who've never owned a gun in their life, which apparently the political left doesn't have a monopoly on.
 
2013-04-12 11:55:33 AM  
The Arms Manufacturers Association NRA's handler is really scared of something. And it has little to do with background checks or the US Constitution.

Gun manufacturers enjoy substantial immunity from prosecution, the Holy Grail of living in the US, the Get Out of Jail Free card. With guns killing more people than car accidents in at least one state, that's a precious perk to keep at all costs.

If this nonsense and scrutiny about guns keeps up, the gun makers make find themselves in the same boat as drug companies, tobacco companies, trucking companies, hazardous waste disposers and any one else who knows the real meaning of the word liability.

And those guys who sold Bag of Broken Glass as a Halloween treat may have some compassion.
 
2013-04-12 11:56:59 AM  

Fart_Machine: ShadowKamui: valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: Is Maddow what dumb people think smart people sound like? I mean, it's a good attempt at an impression, I will give Maddow's people that.

Well bless your little heart.

She is either a complete idiot or a lying POS on anything relating to guns

Need some cream for your butthurt?


No cause I don't watch terrible news channels that blatantly engages in yellow journalism to advance what ever crappy agenda they're trying to push.
 
2013-04-12 11:57:04 AM  

Dimensio: Ms. Maddow also mentioned the problems of individuals on the "terror watch list" being able to purchase firearms, however she failed to mention that individuals on the list are also protected from searches of their homes and effects by law enforcement without a warrant, that they are allowed to vote and that, if charged with a crime, they may expect a trial by jury.


Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I dislike the idea of potentially shady people getting guns, but people can get added to watchlists without due process. If the government wants to watch someone, that's fine...but until an otherwise-legally-able-to-own-guns person has had their day in court, they still have all the rights and privileges as anyone else.
 
2013-04-12 11:57:33 AM  
"Al-Qaeda is good people. That Osama had some good ideas."

- Gun Nuts
 
2013-04-12 11:59:05 AM  
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