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(Collider)   Ousted "Walking Dead" showrunner Glen Mazzara returns from the grave to write new prequel to The Shining   (collider.com) divider line 48
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2013-04-11 11:54:38 PM  
Which part of the show was he responsible for: the farm or killing off the emo characters?
 
2013-04-12 01:17:14 AM  
This sounds like a really bad idea, much like the Shining TV Movie.
 
2013-04-12 02:30:51 AM  

bob_ross: This sounds like a really bad idea, much like the Shining TV Movie.


Do you mean the mini-series?  I thought it was pretty good, showing Jack's decline over time and not looking like he was crazy to start.  I love the movie too, but I consider the mini-series more of the faithful adaptation.
 
2013-04-12 04:09:43 AM  
I can't see any way that this wouldn't be a massive disappointment.

/now, if you go back one ex-showrunner you might have something.
 
2013-04-12 05:33:58 AM  
Is "showrunner" what the crazy kids these days call a "director"?
 
2013-04-12 05:57:39 AM  
Does anyone actually care what happens to these characters outside the story? I don't have to know about Randall P. McMurphy's bedwetting problem to enjoy One Flew Over.
 
2013-04-12 06:14:02 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Is "showrunner" what the crazy kids these days call a "director"?


Let me Wikipedia that for you.
 
2013-04-12 06:28:38 AM  
I bet he ends up over using the whole gay furry angle.
 
2013-04-12 06:36:14 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Is "showrunner" what the crazy kids these days call a "director"?


No.
 
2013-04-12 06:38:22 AM  

log_jammin: I bet he ends up over using the whole gay furry angle.


About damn time.
I've always said that The Shining lacked the whole gay furry angle and hope this would be rectified in the prequel.
 
2013-04-12 07:44:43 AM  

DarkLancelot: bob_ross: This sounds like a really bad idea, much like the Shining TV Movie.

Do you mean the mini-series?  I thought it was pretty good, showing Jack's decline over time and not looking like he was crazy to start.  I love the movie too, but I consider the mini-series more of the faithful adaptation.



Exactly
 
2013-04-12 07:49:33 AM  

Snapper Carr: I can't see any way that this wouldn't be a massive disappointment.

/now, if you go back one ex-showrunner you might have something.


Enough crazy stuff happened in the hotel before the Torrence family got there to make for a decent horror flick.

There's good potential there, is all I'm sayin'.
 
2013-04-12 08:17:44 AM  
No... no.... no... no....
 
2013-04-12 08:21:46 AM  

El Morro: Enough crazy stuff happened in the hotel before the Torrence family got there to make for a decent horror flick.

There's good potential there, is all I'm sayin'.


I think it gives one more freedom to create as well since though while a bunch of crazy shiat happened, it was never really covered in explicit detail.
 
2013-04-12 08:24:53 AM  

El Morro: Enough crazy stuff happened in the hotel before the Torrence family got there to make for a decent horror flick.


I never read the book.  Do they explain that things happened in the hotel before?  I don't even remember the movie so....

But wouldn't a prequel just basically be a run of the mill haunted house movie?

I mean, if you make Meatballs take place at Camp Crystal Lake, does that make it a Friday the 13th prequel?
 
2013-04-12 08:53:57 AM  

DarkLancelot: bob_ross: This sounds like a really bad idea, much like the Shining TV Movie.

Do you mean the mini-series?  I thought it was pretty good, showing Jack's decline over time and not looking like he was crazy to start.  I love the movie too, but I consider the mini-series more of the faithful adaptation.


More Faithful?  Yes

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Better?  Absolutely not.
 
2013-04-12 09:03:11 AM  

doglover: Which part of the show was he responsible for: the farm or killing off the emo characters?


Both.

I still get the impression that The Farm was simply the result of budget cuts. The showrunner and writers probably wanted to take the story farther in the second season, but AMC wouldn't fund it. So they milked an entire season out of what should have been a max of 3-4 episodes.
 
2013-04-12 09:05:36 AM  

clkeagle: I still get the impression that The Farm was simply the result of budget cuts. The showrunner and writers probably wanted to take the story farther in the second season, but AMC wouldn't fund it. So they milked an entire season out of what should have been a max of 3-4 episodes.


This is exactly what happened, the production team was anticipating a budget of about 30% more and when AMC recaptured a large portion of it they were forced into rewrites.
 
2013-04-12 09:09:06 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: This is exactly what happened, the production team was anticipating a budget of about 30% more and when AMC recaptured a large portion of it they were forced into rewrites.


I figured. The difference in pacing between seasons 2 and 3 has been night and day. You don't usually see that from the same crew unless budget/studio meddling is involved. Season 3 ended up having very good start and end points... maybe some enterprising individuals can come up with a watchable (greatly slashed) fan edit of Season 2.
 
2013-04-12 09:10:26 AM  

doglover: Which part of the show was he responsible for: the farm or killing off the emo characters?


I just want to know if he was responsible for the finale. That was a horrible piece of crap, and I would have fired Mazzara too if that is what he turned in.
 
2013-04-12 09:17:08 AM  

El Morro: Snapper Carr: I can't see any way that this wouldn't be a massive disappointment.

/now, if you go back one ex-showrunner you might have something.

Enough crazy stuff happened in the hotel before the Torrence family got there to make for a decent horror flick.

There's good potential there, is all I'm sayin'.


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2013-04-12 09:18:12 AM  

clkeagle: I figured. The difference in pacing between seasons 2 and 3 has been night and day. You don't usually see that from the same crew unless budget/studio meddling is involved. Season 3 ended up having very good start and end points... maybe some enterprising individuals can come up with a watchable (greatly slashed) fan edit of Season 2.


I recently hooked someone into watching it and got them the DVD of season 1 and 2. Without commercial breaks season 2 isn't THAT bad, not good, but not bad.
 
2013-04-12 09:26:14 AM  
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R.I.P GLEN MAZZARA

 
2013-04-12 09:42:04 AM  
Here's the best trailing for the Shining ever.

In case you've been under a rock and haven't seen it yet.
 
2013-04-12 09:47:18 AM  

buntz: I never read the book.  Do they explain that things happened in the hotel before?  I don't even remember the movie so....


I haven't gotten around to the book yet, but I konw there was a prequel story/chapter that covers a bit of the previous caretakers' story.  It showed up in TV Guide to promote the mini-series.  I haven't seen it reprinted anywhere since.

Guns n' Farkin Roses: More Faithful?  Yes

Better?  Absolutely not.


I like the mini-series adaptation, since Jack isn't obviously deranged from the start.  Unfortunately, it was made at a time before network mini-series actually got decent production values.  That is one show I wouldn't mind getting remade today.  I think it could be amazing as either an HBO mini-series of even one of Syfy's big-budget mini-series projects.
 
2013-04-12 09:57:08 AM  

Guns n' Farkin Roses: Better? Absolutely not.


Sorry, but I've watched the TV adaptation more times than the Kubrick version and it's not that it's better, but very different.  Both had fair acting overall, the setting was perfect, the mood that both set (of isolation) was well done, so I consider them both of equal quality, but the TV version has more appeal for me as it truly follows the story of the internal turmoil of all the players, as opposed to the movie that had a psycho about to crack and a standard battered woman scenario.

They both have their place/approach to the story and while the Kubrick plays a lot more on hidden conceptions and such, the TV Adaptation is much closer to showing the decent of the father into confusion and vulnerability.

Kubrick's version with Jack = Jack being Jack, being angry from the beginning, it was a given that he was already cracked and unstable.  The "ghosts" didn't have anything to do, he was already twisted enough to snap at the drop of a pin. Alcoholism was minor in his turning into a psychopath. The ghosts use his psychotic anger against him.

TV version: man trying to fight and deal with his mistakes, slowly losing control, getting pulled into madness. The "ghosts" pushing him bit by bit until he snapped. Alcoholism has a major effect on him, as he wasn't able to easily cope with the long-term withdrawals, as things got weird, his addiction being his familiar withdrawal but not available (until the ghosts provide it) is ripping him apart.. which speaks about how deep drinking problem can hit some people.  The ghosts use this weakness against him.
 
2013-04-12 09:59:26 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Is "showrunner" what the crazy kids these days call a "director"?


No.  a showrunner is more of a producer, but also steers the direction and overall plot of a series.  He choses the individual writers and directors, casts the major roles, etc.  Many (but not all) showrunners also write some/all of the episodes.
 
2013-04-12 10:01:10 AM  

Bontesla: I've always said that The Shining lacked the whole gay furry angle


www.collativelearning.com

you might want to watch it again
 
2013-04-12 10:27:01 AM  
The Shining as a romantic comedy.

/yeah it's an oldie, but not everyone has seen it.
 
2013-04-12 10:30:25 AM  
Son of a b%^$&!!!

I didn't see your post imfallen_angel.

After being her this long you'd think I'd know to peruse the thread before linking to something.

/I blame Obama.
 
2013-04-12 10:34:01 AM  

buntz: El Morro: Enough crazy stuff happened in the hotel before the Torrence family got there to make for a decent horror flick.

I never read the book.  Do they explain that things happened in the hotel before?  I don't even remember the movie so....

But wouldn't a prequel just basically be a run of the mill haunted house movie?

I mean, if you make Meatballs take place at Camp Crystal Lake, does that make it a Friday the 13th prequel?


The book is really good , you should give it a shot.  It mentions a number of terrible things that took place there without giving TOO much detail about it.  A good director/writer/whatever could fill in the details well enough to make it into a good movie.

It wouldn't be so much a "haunted house/hotel" movie because it would be about what took place there to actually turn it into a haunted hotel, which is pretty much what it was when the Torrence family/Shining story started (Mild spoiler alert: Although in the book, it's not just the spirits of the people who died there that remain at the hotel, the book sort of implies that the hotel itself is evil).

As for your last sentence, sure, I guess it would be a prequel in the sense that it was something that took place at the same location before the Jason Voorhees storyline, but it would be completely irrelevant since nothing took place in Meatballs that influenced the Friday the 13th story.  But that's just my two cents.
 
2013-04-12 10:39:16 AM  

LDM90: Quantum Apostrophe: Is "showrunner" what the crazy kids these days call a "director"?

No.


Oh, OK.
 
2013-04-12 10:55:19 AM  

clkeagle: doglover: Which part of the show was he responsible for: the farm or killing off the emo characters?

Both.

I still get the impression that The Farm was simply the result of budget cuts. The showrunner and writers probably wanted to take the story farther in the second season, but AMC wouldn't fund it. So they milked an entire season out of what should have been a max of 3-4 episodes.


Wrong.

Durabont was responsible for the farm. 1st half of season two was under his tenure, 2nd half was under Mazzarra.
 
2013-04-12 11:04:49 AM  

El Morro: nothing took place in Meatballs that influenced the Friday the 13th story.


Apparently you didn't see the way Rudy Gurner was tormented when he accidentally kicked the soccer ball into his own goal.  If I were him, I would have changed MY name too..... to Jason Voorhees!

Annnnnnd SCENE!
 
2013-04-12 11:18:30 AM  
No. No. I'm tired of prequels. I don't want to watch how the hotel got to be evil, I just want it to be evil and for the Torrances to go crazy in it.
 
2013-04-12 11:20:44 AM  

verbaltoxin: No. No. I'm tired of prequels. I don't want to watch how the hotel got to be evil, I just want it to be evil and for the Torrances to go crazy in it.


Yeah, the prequel doesn't need to be made.

I am looking forward to Doctor Sleep later this year, though.
 
2013-04-12 11:32:16 AM  
I think it's time for a Langoliers reimagining, even if they have to cut down the production values this time.
 
2013-04-12 11:45:29 AM  

verbaltoxin: No. No. I'm tired of prequels. I don't want to watch how the hotel got to be evil, I just want it to be evil and for the Torrances to go crazy in it.


I take it you're not watching Bates Motel then.
 
2013-04-12 12:30:03 PM  
So it's going to be about the early days of our space program and how we had to beat the Russians to the moon at any cost?
 
2013-04-12 12:35:07 PM  

born_yesterday: I think it's time for a Langoliers reimagining, even if they have to cut down the production values this time.


Yeah the monsters looked too realistic it gave me nightmares. They should Claymation them or something to take the edge off.
 
2013-04-12 12:38:32 PM  

baufan2005: born_yesterday: I think it's time for a Langoliers reimagining, even if they have to cut down the production values this time.

Yeah the monsters looked too realistic it gave me nightmares. They should Claymation them or something to take the edge off.


But how would a remake ever hope to live up to the original cast and the sheer energy and presence they had on screen?
 
2013-04-12 01:15:19 PM  

imfallen_angel: Guns n' Farkin Roses: Better? Absolutely not.

Sorry, but I've watched the TV adaptation more times than the Kubrick version and it's not that it's better, but very different.  Both had fair acting overall, the setting was perfect, the mood that both set (of isolation) was well done, so I consider them both of equal quality, but the TV version has more appeal for me as it truly follows the story of the internal turmoil of all the players, as opposed to the movie that had a psycho about to crack and a standard battered woman scenario.

They both have their place/approach to the story and while the Kubrick plays a lot more on hidden conceptions and such, the TV Adaptation is much closer to showing the decent of the father into confusion and vulnerability.

Kubrick's version with Jack = Jack being Jack, being angry from the beginning, it was a given that he was already cracked and unstable.  The "ghosts" didn't have anything to do, he was already twisted enough to snap at the drop of a pin. Alcoholism was minor in his turning into a psychopath. The ghosts use his psychotic anger against him.

TV version: man trying to fight and deal with his mistakes, slowly losing control, getting pulled into madness. The "ghosts" pushing him bit by bit until he snapped. Alcoholism has a major effect on him, as he wasn't able to easily cope with the long-term withdrawals, as things got weird, his addiction being his familiar withdrawal but not available (until the ghosts provide it) is ripping him apart.. which speaks about how deep drinking problem can hit some people.  The ghosts use this weakness against him.


It's also been widely reported that King did not like the Kubrick version and was more involved and happy with the mini-series.

The thing about some of King's books is, they need the time to develop and don't make for film adaptations. Mini-series is a better way to go, so they can explore the scenes and themes of the book.
 
2013-04-12 01:35:20 PM  

The Banana Thug: Wrong.

Durabont was responsible for the farm. 1st half of season two was under his tenure, 2nd half was under Mazzarra.


Thank you - Wikipedia wasn't clear on that. I had a hard time believing that the Season 3 showrunner would have brought us seven farking episodes of "Where's Sophia?"
 
2013-04-12 01:49:17 PM  

Sandbox Leprechaun: It's also been widely reported that King did not like the Kubrick version and was more involved and happy with the mini-series.

The thing about some of King's books is, they need the time to develop and don't make for film adaptations. Mini-series is a better way to go, so they can explore the scenes and themes of the book.


yup, agreed.

Never understood the haters for the TV version.. I think that the actors did a great job, and with Rebecca.. well, I'd watch her eat cereal and be happy... (her clothes being optional and all that if you know what I mean)
 
2013-04-12 02:17:02 PM  

clkeagle: The Banana Thug: Wrong.

Durabont was responsible for the farm. 1st half of season two was under his tenure, 2nd half was under Mazzarra.

Thank you - Wikipedia wasn't clear on that. I had a hard time believing that the Season 3 showrunner would have brought us seven farking episodes of "Where's Sophia?"


It's hard to get the clear story, since none of the principals are talking about it, but for season 2, Mazzara wrote ep. 2 then eps. 10, 12 and 13, so he was more involved in the second half.

I'm still curious what the dispute was re: the direction of season 4 which caused him to leave.
 
2013-04-12 02:26:35 PM  

Sandbox Leprechaun: I'm still curious what the dispute was re: the direction of season 4 which caused him to leave.


Money, it was money pure and simple. He had a creative vision that apparently AMC said no way because they thought it was cost to much and despite the shows success they weren't willing to double down quite yet.

So yeah...expect Season 4 to be farking awesome because they are finally doubling down on the budget.
 
2013-04-12 05:49:48 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Sandbox Leprechaun: I'm still curious what the dispute was re: the direction of season 4 which caused him to leave.

Money, it was money pure and simple. He had a creative vision that apparently AMC said no way because they thought it was cost to much and despite the shows success they weren't willing to double down quite yet.

So yeah...expect Season 4 to be farking awesome because they are finally doubling down on the budget.


That's why Frank Darabont got axed. Rumor with Mazzara is he and Robert Kirkman couldn't agree where to take the show next, and Kirkman won that battle.
 
2013-04-12 08:27:54 PM  

Confabulat: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Sandbox Leprechaun: I'm still curious what the dispute was re: the direction of season 4 which caused him to leave.

Money, it was money pure and simple. He had a creative vision that apparently AMC said no way because they thought it was cost to much and despite the shows success they weren't willing to double down quite yet.

So yeah...expect Season 4 to be farking awesome because they are finally doubling down on the budget.

That's why Frank Darabont got axed. Rumor with Mazzara is he and Robert Kirkman couldn't agree where to take the show next, and Kirkman won that battle.


The new showrunner, Scott Gimple, wrote "Clear" (aka, 'What happened to the father and son Rick met in the first episode?') If he's taking it a similar mode, I'm feeling good.

I'm also calling that the Governor doesn't make it to halftime in Season 5.
 
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