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(WRAL)   In today's official report of You Don't Say, North Carolina is deficient in math and science education   ( divider line
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2013-04-11 11:24:41 PM  
3 votes:

All right, gather 'round kids, Uncle Samurai will explain North Carolina to you...

This state is dominated by its geography.  We have few deep-water ports for such a massive coastline.  We have vast areas of swamp that dominate the eastern lowlands.  In the west we have the Appalachian Mountains, but nowhere near as much territory up there as states like Virginia and Tennessee.  In between is a wide area of decent farmland, with rivers cutting across it largely from northwest to southeast.  There's three regions - the coastal plain, the rolling hills of the Piedmont, and the sharper hills and mountains in the west.  Each region transitions via a rather sharp fall line, which was conducive to water-powered mills.

What this meant for us historically, was that we were one of the least developed colonies/states in the 18th century.  And a lot of early farmers moved here in the mid-18th century because of shortages of farmland in Pennsylvania and land destroyed by over-farming tobacco in central-eastern Virginia.  The first group came down the Shenandoah Valley and settled the area now known as the Triad - Greensboro, Winston-Salem, High Point, etc.  The second group settled a broad swath of land across the central part of the state from New Bern, little Washington, and Edenton and gradually moved west until the land got hillier and rockier.  They couldn't really farm in the far south, because the swamps were bad and the soil was sandy.  The northeast was also swamp, but it was relatively easy to cut canals and use it to ship naval stores and pine trees to Norfolk.

Pro Tip #1:  Pine trees were never naturally abundant in North Carolina; they ran rampant because we cut down deciduous forests for 300 years to raise pine trees.  That's why when you come through NC this time of year you get an unhealthy dose of golden pine tree bukkake.

So we were a slow state to grow for a long time before the Civil War, and while a number of people in the central part of the state bought into the secessionist stuff, there wasn't a whole lot of enthusiasm in the eastern coastal areas that depended on the maritime trade, or in the mountains where the folks in New Bern/Hillsborough/Raleigh had never really done anything to help the marginalized Scots-Irish farmers.  There's a chance this state might not have seceded had we not been sandwiched between Virginia and Worst Carolina, a geographic constraint that we find troublesome to this day.

But we did go to war; at least we didn't get the earth salted quite as bad as Virginia, Georgia, and South Carolina.  Part of it was we were never seen as that ardent of secessionists.  Another part might have been Sherman and his troops getting bored, and once they had a fireworks show in blowing up the Fayetteville Armory they just wanted to go home.  The state that wasn't all that enthusiastic about rebellion bought the Lost Cause bullhockey hook, line, and sinker, though.

In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the western Piedmont figured out the water-powered mills, and the textile processing industry boomed, as did the furniture industries near High Point.  Then one of our governors sinks a lot of money into education right at the start of the 20th century, and North Carolina manages to make itself a little more modern than the rest of the Atlantic southern states. Then comes World War I and military bases go up everywhere, and thus we have Fort Bragg, the one military base that is likely immune to base closure.  The military is now inseparable from that part of the state.

Then came the Civil Rights era.  We avoided some of the more violent retardation; we're just remembered for being assholes about a lunch counter.  And again, despite not ever being heavily invested in slavery or secession, white folks in the rural parts of the state go apeshiat about civil rights.  Thankfully, they lost.  But following the Southern Strategy, the cracks in the wall of the Solid South appeared in North Carolina.  Jesse Helms was first elected in 1972, and even before he got elected, a third of the state was sick of his shiat.

Then in the late 20th century, someone in the Raleigh area saw the writing on the wall; the textile and manufacturing industries vital to the state's economy were living on borrowed time.  So the area between Raleigh, Durham, and Chapel Hill was turned into a commercial-industrial park for various tech industries, and IBM and pharmaceutical companies moved in.  We also had the financial sector in Charlotte, and a wide variety of emerging businesses in Greensboro.  But in other parts of the state, things got bad.  That furniture industry left town for Asia, and the showrooms emptied for trade shows in Vegas.  Almost no textiles are produced in-state anymore.

So we've got three really thriving centers of urban and suburban population - The Triangle (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill), the Triad, and the Charlotte Metro Area.  All three are a mixed bag of political views, though you'll find a lot more blue in these areas.  Charlotte's ties to the banks means there's a wide swath of fiscal conservatism, and McCrory is at the end of a long line of Charlotte-area politicians trying to win the governor's seat.  He's just the one that finally won, thanks in large part to Bev Purdue.

Outside of that urban crescent, there are pockets of civilization.  Asheville is the nexus of the Appalachian road network in North Carolina, so it's large enough to support a decent-sized city.  But it also sits next to Black Mountain, where Billy Graham has his little Jesus complex (and don't let the PR fool you; Graham's advantage over people like Fallwell and Robertson was Billy learned to keep his mouth shut).  The mountain region as a whole has cannonballed into the Southern Strategy; the last Democrat to get elected in the mountains was Heath Shuler, and he had a name and his predecessor Charles Taylor was corrupt as hell.  The mountains are wonderful to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

As you go south from Raleigh, you eventually hit Southern Pines.  It's on the other side of Fort Bragg from Fayetteville.  That's where the golf course is, and you can't afford to live there.

South of that, and Fort Bragg, and Fayetteville, and all the way east past I-95 (from Laurinburg all the way through Lumberton and over to Lake Waccamaw) is an area rampant with poverty.  There's nothing down there to make a lot of money off of, and it's populated by a heavy mix of blacks and displaced natives.  They call themselves the Lumbi tribe, but historically they're not a tribe as much as the remnants of about two dozen pre-contact tribes that were marginalized and then found isolating geography.

The same problem exists in the northeastern part of the state.  Agriculture doesn't make all that much money, and manufacturing is gone, so there's a lot of poverty.  There's a good bit of social conservatism in these areas, oddly enough, though the regions vote blue.

But in between, extending southeast between the Cape Fear and Roanoke rivers, is prime farmland and hog farming areas.  These folks are prime Tea-Party-fodder, because they don't make a lot of money but they largely bought the Southern Strategy, although time and changes in demographics are eroding the facade here.  This is where you see the Hispanic influx, to work the various cotton, strawberry, corn, sweet potatoes, and tobacco fields.  Yes, they still exist, even though the buyouts in the 90s cut them down a LOT.  But even amid this land of rural red you find towns large enough to have colleges, hospitals, and other industries - and this means an urban-suburban middle class (the middle class still exists in eastern NC, mostly because it's cheap to live here).  Greenville is a university/hospital town now, although if you drive five minutes into Pitt County you travel back in time 40 years.  Goldsboro is surprisingly progressive for a town dependent on an Air Force base.  New Bern has enough historic charm that they've managed to initiate a bit of not-quite-gentrification.

This is a state that managed to get a step on the manufacturing exodus of the 1980s and 90s.  There's some real modernization around here, and when you look at large swaths of South Carolina you think this place isn't that least that was until Dick Armey and Koch Brothers funded the teahad, and a bunch of people who got screwed over by outsourcing and right-to-work state labor attitudes became convinced they were over-taxed and the gays were coming for their guns.  Despite losing a lot of elections in 2008 and 2012, the Republican stratagem of controlling the state legislature in time for redistricting paid off for them.  We'll now spend several years dealing with the fallout.  Some of it is pure derp that will never take, like the shiatbirds from Rowan County.  Other crap, like the gutting of the state university system, will have long and profound issues.  But we're still seeing more Hispanics move into the area, and the old fogeys that will never give up the attitudes that made the Southern Strategy work are disappearing courtesy of Father Time.  We're in a hell of a lot better position than most southeastern states, despite the recent setbacks

/But not everything is that surprising.  Rocky Mount and Kinston are, have always been, and will remain shiatholes that time forgot.  And the Community College of New Jersey at Durham will still suck
2013-04-12 01:31:42 AM  
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UNC_Samurai: sugardave: UNC_Samurai: a lot of farking words

Do you have that somewhere to copy and paste or did you just spontaneously write the wall of text for our benefit?

I promise you, I wrote that on the spot.

Most impressive, you get a 
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2013-04-12 01:25:01 AM  
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sugardave: UNC_Samurai: a lot of farking words

Do you have that somewhere to copy and paste or did you just spontaneously write the wall of text for our benefit?

I promise you, I wrote that on the spot.
2013-04-11 11:35:03 PM  
1 vote:
Thank goodness I got my kid into a STEM magnet high school. Otherwise, the school she would have been going to would have bored her to tears. It's sad, though, that the school she goes to is about half privately funded because the state wouldn't pay for the teachers to have salaries commensurate to experience and education and wouldn't pony up for new equipment necessary for an advanced science school. So yeah, NC, it's your fault. You wouldn't vote in the funds when you needed to and now it's coming back to bite you on the ass.

/chomp chomp
2013-04-11 09:30:10 PM  
1 vote:

Mrtraveler01: CapeFearCadaver: Mrtraveler01: Is this true in Charlotte and the Triangle too.

No. The triangle is almost a blue utopia. All the metropolitan areas are fine, the rest of the state... well, while beautiful and wonderful to visit, it's best not to discuss anything besides the weather or fishing with rural locals.

Sounds too much like Missouri.

As someone from MO and who went to UNCW, NC is way worse. One of my profs deliberately failed me because I. He thought I should be home having babies, not being a scientist. He said this to my face, even though I was doing journal-quality work in my other classes and lab.

I fought it, then realized I wanted the hell out of NC and moved to Chicago.
2013-04-11 07:48:14 PM  
1 vote:

Descartes: I blame the decades of Republican Governors, decades of Republican State School Superintendents, and decades of Republican control of the state legislature for this.

Oh WOW... another fool on Fark that does not know history.  The North Carolina legislature has had a Demoncratic majority for over 100 years until 2010.  All the governors in the last 100 years have been Democrats except for 3 (McCrory, Martin, Holshouser).  All the State School Superintendents since the position was created have been Democrats.

Maybe you should research before you post nonsense.
2013-04-11 07:35:16 PM  
1 vote:

ds615: I would be interested in your rant, but I just read about how you have no math ability.

Also, the 1500 that were let go?   Their the ones that apparently can't teach math.

Do good, or get fired.
It's not hard.

Fail much?

/The 1500 that were let go - seniority was the only basis considered.
2013-04-11 07:01:35 PM  
1 vote:

ds615: I would be interested in your rant, but I just read about how you have no math ability.

Also, the 1500 that were let go?   Their the ones that apparently can't teach math.

Do good, or get fired.
It's not hard.

I guessing you graduated from NC
2013-04-11 06:22:19 PM  
1 vote:

Mrtraveler01: xxmedium: Also from the core report:

>teacher pay in NC ranks 47th in the US and only above Mississippi in the South

These freeloadin' teachers are just anglin' for more money.

Do you know how many armed guards we could buy with that that cash?

Exactly, and this is why people from the North have moved into NC to fill in these jobs. Because the school system in NC isn't doing a good enough job teaching these kids the skills they need for these kind of jobs.

Both of my parents are teachers, so I'm getting a real kick...

NC public schools are seriously farked. Classroom size is a huge problem. I've seen classrooms designed for 20 to 25 students packed with over 40 kids. My homeroom in high school (back in 2010) had 44 kids in a room designed for 23.You literally could not walk between the desks. When you get that many children jammed together in such close proximity discipline flies out the window. And the rooms next door are empty and idle because of the now 4 year long state hiring freeze.

This is typical throughout the state, and by no means limited to any one district.Just business as usual for North Carolina Public Schools. Meanwhile, Raleigh always seems to have plenty of money for bonuses and their own pet projects, such as state assisted private golf courses and $30,000 bonuses for staff member of certain state senators.

/end rant.
//Fun filled fact of the day: NC wasted 51 MILLION dollars promoting the Gay Marriage Ban, while at the same time demanding that the public schools cut back another 5% of their total work force.
///Over 1,500 teachers and assistants lost their jobs just so the Jeebuz Farkers could keep that sodomites in their place.
2013-04-11 05:31:59 PM  
1 vote:
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2013-04-11 05:10:05 PM  
1 vote:
Hoo, boy, we gots to get us some of them, there fancy-dan jobs working with compooters and stuff.  But it appears that our decades of an economy that required little edikashun hasn't somehow allowed us to produce little smart folks.....nor to cotton on to this economic change thing earlier....

FTFA: "The proud, traditional businesses that fueled our economy in the past, especially those requiring minimal skills and education, are playing a diminishing role in our state."

Wow, you guys sure caught the wave on that one!  Remember, just one state above South Carolina - I can hardly wait to ride the Boeing Dreamliner, made by the best technical minds that South Cackalacky has to offer.  I used to think North Carolina was going to make it in the 21st Century with Research Triangle - but I see those hopes fading in the rear view better hope immigrants will want to move there before they know the state well.....
2013-04-11 04:52:42 PM  
1 vote:

Mrtraveler01: Is this true in Charlotte and the Triangle too.

No. The triangle is almost a blue utopia. All the metropolitan areas are fine, the rest of the state... well, while beautiful and wonderful to visit, it's best not to discuss anything besides the weather or fishing with rural locals.
2013-04-11 04:51:30 PM  
1 vote:

Lost Thought 00: Most notably, if you have the skillset to work in a STEM job (horrible buzzword acronym), you have the opportunity to work in almost any major city in the country. Why would you choose to subject yourself to NC?

Why indeed
2013-04-11 04:49:19 PM  
1 vote:

lennavan: Sure their politics are farked up but why all the hate?

Because, from personal experience of living there for too long, the people may seem nice at first, but they'll soon want you dead if you don't join their cult
2013-04-11 04:44:43 PM  
1 vote:
In today's official report of You Don't Say, North Carolina America is deficient in math and science education


And shut Canada; the Asian kids are way ahead of your's too.
2013-04-11 04:43:00 PM  
1 vote:

Citing data compiled in "North Carolina: The Shape of Its Change" from The Program on Public Life at UNC-Chapel Hill, the report notes the opportunity of STEM-related jobs:

"By 2018, approximately 1.4 million job vacancies are projected for North Carolina, either from new job creation or from retirements."Of those vacancies, about 833,000 will require some post- secondary education. Indeed, approximately 59% of all jobs (2.9 million) in 2018 in North Carolina will require post-secondary education. Most of the state's economic engine will be fueled by these jobs."North Carolina will have more job growth requiring post- secondary education than most of the South and Southwest."The occupational areas anticipated to grow most rapidly include medical and allied health and computer technology."

You know what this mean NC people. This means more Godless Yankees infiltrating your state and making it even more purple than it is today.

See what happens when you don't make education a priority?
2013-04-11 04:17:37 PM  
1 vote:
from the core report (I swear):

The percent of North Carolinians with no high school diploma has dropped from over 30% in 1990 to just over 15% in 2020.

Worse than I thought.
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