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2013-04-11 04:17:37 PM
from the core report (I swear):

The percent of North Carolinians with no high school diploma has dropped from over 30% in 1990 to just over 15% in 2020.

Worse than I thought.
 
2013-04-11 04:21:33 PM
 
2013-04-11 04:27:45 PM

mrshowrules: Worse than I thought.


Obama's time machine technology is starting to see more widespread use.
 
2013-04-11 04:29:54 PM
Most notably, if you have the skillset to work in a STEM job (horrible buzzword acronym), you have the opportunity to work in almost any major city in the country. Why would you choose to subject yourself to NC?
 
2013-04-11 04:30:25 PM
Can we cut their welfare?
 
2013-04-11 04:31:58 PM
The widespread derp is pretty easily traceable--beginning at cuts in school funding that became widespread in the 70s. Those troglodytes end up later running for office with massively ignorant and stupid viewpoints, pass laws for everyone else to obey that make them feel comfortable in their moronic worldview, and the downward spiral continues.
 
2013-04-11 04:34:30 PM
assets.scumbagsteve.com

Thanks to Pubic Edjukation I can now haz maths... one, two, french, fry, potato!
 
2013-04-11 04:34:41 PM

TimonC346: The widespread derp is pretty easily traceable--beginning at cuts in school funding that became widespread in the 70s. Those troglodytes end up later running for office with massively ignorant and stupid viewpoints, pass laws for everyone else to obey that make them feel comfortable in their moronic worldview, and the downward spiral continues.


^This^
 
2013-04-11 04:37:40 PM

mrshowrules: from the core report (I swear):The percent of North Carolinians with no high school diploma has dropped from over 30% in 1990 to just over 15% in 2020.


*checks the calendar*

Huh. I really didn't think I'd passed out that badly at my birthday party last year. Where'd 8 years go?
 
2013-04-11 04:39:30 PM
What is the problem?  They are doing better than Oklahoma.  And Oklahoma is doing better than Mississippi.
 
2013-04-11 04:40:59 PM

Peki: mrshowrules: from the core report (I swear):The percent of North Carolinians with no high school diploma has dropped from over 30% in 1990 to just over 15% in 2020.

*checks the calendar*

Huh. I really didn't think I'd passed out that badly at my birthday party last year. Where'd 8 years go?


And where is my farking hovercraft!!!
 
2013-04-11 04:41:18 PM

Lost Thought 00: Why would you choose to subject yourself to NC?


It has a growing economy and the weather doesnt sound that bad?
 
2013-04-11 04:41:44 PM

mrshowrules: from the core report (I swear):

The percent of North Carolinians with no high school diploma has dropped from over 30% in 1990 to just over 15% in 2020.

Worse than I thought.


The irony here in using the past participle to describe a future event in an article about education should not be lost on anyone.
 
2013-04-11 04:43:00 PM
FTA:

Citing data compiled in "North Carolina: The Shape of Its Change" from The Program on Public Life at UNC-Chapel Hill, the report notes the opportunity of STEM-related jobs:

"By 2018, approximately 1.4 million job vacancies are projected for North Carolina, either from new job creation or from retirements."Of those vacancies, about 833,000 will require some post- secondary education. Indeed, approximately 59% of all jobs (2.9 million) in 2018 in North Carolina will require post-secondary education. Most of the state's economic engine will be fueled by these jobs."North Carolina will have more job growth requiring post- secondary education than most of the South and Southwest."The occupational areas anticipated to grow most rapidly include medical and allied health and computer technology."


You know what this mean NC people. This means more Godless Yankees infiltrating your state and making it even more purple than it is today.

See what happens when you don't make education a priority?
 
2013-04-11 04:44:43 PM
In today's official report of You Don't Say, North Carolina America is deficient in math and science education

Fixed

And shut Canada; the Asian kids are way ahead of your's too.
 
2013-04-11 04:45:14 PM

Saiga410: Lost Thought 00: Why would you choose to subject yourself to NC?

It has a growing economy and the weather doesnt sound that bad?


Yeah but you would have to root for the Bobcats and Panthers. Nothing is worth that kind of punishment.

Although to be fair, Charlotte and the Triangle do seem like decent places to live.
 
2013-04-11 04:45:19 PM
I accidentally the word 'up' from my previous post.
 
2013-04-11 04:45:47 PM
Clearly the solution is more state sponsored prayer
 
2013-04-11 04:45:56 PM

Mrtraveler01: FTA:

Citing data compiled in "North Carolina: The Shape of Its Change" from The Program on Public Life at UNC-Chapel Hill, the report notes the opportunity of STEM-related jobs:

"By 2018, approximately 1.4 million job vacancies are projected for North Carolina, either from new job creation or from retirements."Of those vacancies, about 833,000 will require some post- secondary education. Indeed, approximately 59% of all jobs (2.9 million) in 2018 in North Carolina will require post-secondary education. Most of the state's economic engine will be fueled by these jobs."North Carolina will have more job growth requiring post- secondary education than most of the South and Southwest."The occupational areas anticipated to grow most rapidly include medical and allied health and computer technology."

You know what this mean NC people. This means more Godless Yankees infiltrating your state and making it even more purple than it is today.

See what happens when you don't make education a priority?


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-11 04:47:03 PM
OK, I only live in the state of NC so don't blame me. I got my HS degree from California and my college degree from Flori... oh, wait.
 
2013-04-11 04:47:18 PM

Lost Thought 00: Most notably, if you have the skillset to work in a STEM job (horrible buzzword acronym), you have the opportunity to work in almost any major city in the country. Why would you choose to subject yourself to NC?


I kinda liked NC when I visited there.  People seemed nice, BBQ was pretty delicious and the girls were pretty good lookin.  I was in Chapel Hill (twice) and Durham (once), which compromise two of the three in their research triangle, presumably that's where most STEM people would go.

Sure their politics are farked up but why all the hate?
 
2013-04-11 04:49:19 PM

lennavan: Sure their politics are farked up but why all the hate?


Because, from personal experience of living there for too long, the people may seem nice at first, but they'll soon want you dead if you don't join their cult
 
2013-04-11 04:49:33 PM

BSABSVR: Clearly the solution is more state sponsored prayer


i2.wp.com
We don't need no book lernin's, fark the terizts.
 
2013-04-11 04:50:09 PM

Lost Thought 00: lennavan: Sure their politics are farked up but why all the hate?

Because, from personal experience of living there for too long, the people may seem nice at first, but they'll soon want you dead if you don't join their cult


Is this true in Charlotte and the Triangle too.

I always wondered if it would be better to live in those places or Atlanta.
 
2013-04-11 04:51:30 PM

Lost Thought 00: Most notably, if you have the skillset to work in a STEM job (horrible buzzword acronym), you have the opportunity to work in almost any major city in the country. Why would you choose to subject yourself to NC?


Why indeed
 
2013-04-11 04:52:42 PM

Mrtraveler01: Is this true in Charlotte and the Triangle too.


No. The triangle is almost a blue utopia. All the metropolitan areas are fine, the rest of the state... well, while beautiful and wonderful to visit, it's best not to discuss anything besides the weather or fishing with rural locals.
 
2013-04-11 04:52:46 PM
This is what happens when you take God out of the classroom.
 
2013-04-11 04:54:50 PM

CapeFearCadaver: BSABSVR: Clearly the solution is more state sponsored prayer

[i2.wp.com image 305x200]
We don't need no book lernin's, fark the terizts.


She's staring into my soul.
 
2013-04-11 04:55:01 PM

nocturnal001: This is what happens when you take God out of the classroom.


3.bp.blogspot.com
Could it be the work of the... DEVIL?
 
2013-04-11 04:56:34 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Mrtraveler01: Is this true in Charlotte and the Triangle too.

No. The triangle is almost a blue utopia. All the metropolitan areas are fine, the rest of the state... well, while beautiful and wonderful to visit, it's best not to discuss anything besides the weather or fishing with rural locals.


RTP is like the Austin of NC (with better bbq). But even the other cities are pretty bad, and outside those is pure hell.
 
2013-04-11 04:56:46 PM

Lost Thought 00: lennavan: Sure their politics are farked up but why all the hate?

Because, from personal experience of living there for too long, the people may seem nice at first, but they'll soon want you dead if you don't join their cult


So cute girls, delicious BBQ but crazy cults.  I'll have to think more about this.
 
2013-04-11 04:57:26 PM
Also from the core report:

>teacher pay in NC ranks 47th in the US and only above Mississippi in the South

These freeloadin' teachers are just anglin' for more money.

Do you know how many armed guards we could buy with that that cash?
 
2013-04-11 04:57:31 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Mrtraveler01: Is this true in Charlotte and the Triangle too.

No. The triangle is almost a blue utopia. All the metropolitan areas are fine, the rest of the state... well, while beautiful and wonderful to visit, it's best not to discuss anything besides the weather or fishing with rural locals.


Sounds too much like Missouri.
 
2013-04-11 04:59:13 PM

xxmedium: Also from the core report:

>teacher pay in NC ranks 47th in the US and only above Mississippi in the South

These freeloadin' teachers are just anglin' for more money.

Do you know how many armed guards we could buy with that that cash?


Exactly, and this is why people from the North have moved into NC to fill in these jobs. Because the school system in NC isn't doing a good enough job teaching these kids the skills they need for these kind of jobs.
 
2013-04-11 05:05:25 PM

Notabunny: Mrtraveler01: FTA:

Citing data compiled in "North Carolina: The Shape of Its Change" from The Program on Public Life at UNC-Chapel Hill, the report notes the opportunity of STEM-related jobs:

"By 2018, approximately 1.4 million job vacancies are projected for North Carolina, either from new job creation or from retirements."Of those vacancies, about 833,000 will require some post- secondary education. Indeed, approximately 59% of all jobs (2.9 million) in 2018 in North Carolina will require post-secondary education. Most of the state's economic engine will be fueled by these jobs."North Carolina will have more job growth requiring post- secondary education than most of the South and Southwest."The occupational areas anticipated to grow most rapidly include medical and allied health and computer technology."

You know what this mean NC people. This means more Godless Yankees infiltrating your state and making it even more purple than it is today.

See what happens when you don't make education a priority?

[img.photobucket.com image 400x300]


image.shutterstock.com
 
2013-04-11 05:10:05 PM
Hoo, boy, we gots to get us some of them, there fancy-dan jobs working with compooters and stuff.  But it appears that our decades of an economy that required little edikashun hasn't somehow allowed us to produce little smart folks.....nor to cotton on to this economic change thing earlier....

FTFA: "The proud, traditional businesses that fueled our economy in the past, especially those requiring minimal skills and education, are playing a diminishing role in our state."

Wow, you guys sure caught the wave on that one!  Remember, just one state above South Carolina - I can hardly wait to ride the Boeing Dreamliner, made by the best technical minds that South Cackalacky has to offer.  I used to think North Carolina was going to make it in the 21st Century with Research Triangle - but I see those hopes fading in the rear view mirror....you better hope immigrants will want to move there before they know the state well.....
 
2013-04-11 05:11:40 PM
Has anyone told them this will simply lead to more NASCAR titles for Californians?
 
2013-04-11 05:15:28 PM

CapeFearCadaver: BSABSVR: Clearly the solution is more state sponsored prayer

[i2.wp.com image 305x200]
We don't need no book lernin's, fark the terizts.


s15.postimg.org
 
2013-04-11 05:15:50 PM
NC is making a bid for its own Fark tag. And I have to say, even though my adopted state is making the Fark for shiatty reasons, a Fark tag would make it all worthwhile.

/loved the RDU::NC as Austin::Texas comparison, very true
 
2013-04-11 05:26:48 PM
I blame the decades of Republican Governors, decades of Republican State School Superintendents, and decades of Republican control of the state legislature for this.
 
2013-04-11 05:28:25 PM

sdd2000: CapeFearCadaver: BSABSVR: Clearly the solution is more state sponsored prayer

[i2.wp.com image 305x200]
We don't need no book lernin's, fark the terizts.

[s15.postimg.org image 600x416]



I just watched that video again. That was one of the most true examples of veiled racism I'm ever seen. "Just because he's from here doesn't mean he thinks like us."

Sorry. Off topic.
 
2013-04-11 05:31:59 PM
Apropos:
28.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-11 05:34:42 PM

Bill the unknowing: Hoo, boy, we gots to get us some of them, there fancy-dan jobs working with compooters and stuff.  But it appears that our decades of an economy that required little edikashun hasn't somehow allowed us to produce little smart folks.....nor to cotton on to this economic change thing earlier....

FTFA: "The proud, traditional businesses that fueled our economy in the past, especially those requiring minimal skills and education, are playing a diminishing role in our state."

Wow, you guys sure caught the wave on that one!  Remember, just one state above South Carolina - I can hardly wait to ride the Boeing Dreamliner, made by the best technical minds that South Cackalacky has to offer.  I used to think North Carolina was going to make it in the 21st Century with Research Triangle - but I see those hopes fading in the rear view mirror....you better hope immigrants will want to move there before they know the state well.....


Don't worry. From what I've seen at my time at a Boeing Supplier in SC, most of the technical minds are being imported from the northeast and midwest.

Also, North Carolina is North of SC, not "above" it. Damn Flat-Earther.
 
2013-04-11 05:34:54 PM
Is that regular math or biblical math?
 
2013-04-11 05:39:57 PM

NostroZ: nocturnal001: This is what happens when you take God out of the classroom.

[nun picture]
Could it be the work of the... DEVIL?


You know who does the work of the DEVIL in North Carolina?  Nuns and other papists.
 
2013-04-11 05:40:12 PM
i2.wp.com
MATH AND SCIENCE IS OF THA DEVIL!!!!!!

Hypnozombie
/man those three teeth kinda jump right out at ya.
 
2013-04-11 05:40:35 PM

Fart_Machine: Is that regular math or biblical math?


Biblical math is comprised entirely of the numbers 7, 12, 40, and 72. I believe cubits and spans are also somehow involved.

/not a biblical mathmatician
 
2013-04-11 05:43:51 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Fart_Machine: Is that regular math or biblical math?

Biblical math is comprised entirely of the numbers 7, 12, 40, and 72. I believe cubits and spans are also somehow involved.

/not a biblical mathmatician


What a cubit might look like.

media.battlestarwiki.org
 
2013-04-11 05:46:27 PM
I recall reading that one of the reasons the south has lower educational standards is that there is a persistent belief that educating people "spoils" them into wanting to get paid more.  When that doesn't happen they move out of state.
 
2013-04-11 05:47:33 PM
We need highly qualified teachers with STEM background.  Bachelors degrees in math, physics, chemistry, biology required.  We would also like you to have a Masters degree in Education.  We're still gonna pay you less than the football coach makes and oh, btw EVERYONE and their brother will still biatch and complain how easy your job is and how awesome your benefits are.

Get in line citizen, the state needs YOU!
 
2013-04-11 05:48:06 PM

Mrtraveler01: CapeFearCadaver: Mrtraveler01: Is this true in Charlotte and the Triangle too.

No. The triangle is almost a blue utopia. All the metropolitan areas are fine, the rest of the state... well, while beautiful and wonderful to visit, it's best not to discuss anything besides the weather or fishing with rural locals.

Sounds too much like Missouri.


yes, way too familiar.
 
2013-04-11 05:48:33 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Fart_Machine: Is that regular math or biblical math?

Biblical math is comprised entirely of the numbers 7, 12, 40, and 72. I believe cubits and spans are also somehow involved.

/not a biblical mathmatician


My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.
 
2013-04-11 05:51:19 PM
Now can we have a study of where the corrupt politicians in the state legislature are sending tax funds OTHER than allocating them to schools?
 
2013-04-11 05:55:43 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Uranus Is Huge!: Fart_Machine: Is that regular math or biblical math?

Biblical math is comprised entirely of the numbers 7, 12, 40, and 72. I believe cubits and spans are also somehow involved.

/not a biblical mathmatician

My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.


With roddage like that, you can't be hauling more than a couple of Omers.
 
2013-04-11 06:22:19 PM

Mrtraveler01: xxmedium: Also from the core report:

>teacher pay in NC ranks 47th in the US and only above Mississippi in the South

These freeloadin' teachers are just anglin' for more money.

Do you know how many armed guards we could buy with that that cash?

Exactly, and this is why people from the North have moved into NC to fill in these jobs. Because the school system in NC isn't doing a good enough job teaching these kids the skills they need for these kind of jobs.


Both of my parents are teachers, so I'm getting a real kick...

NC public schools are seriously farked. Classroom size is a huge problem. I've seen classrooms designed for 20 to 25 students packed with over 40 kids. My homeroom in high school (back in 2010) had 44 kids in a room designed for 23.You literally could not walk between the desks. When you get that many children jammed together in such close proximity discipline flies out the window. And the rooms next door are empty and idle because of the now 4 year long state hiring freeze.

This is typical throughout the state, and by no means limited to any one district.Just business as usual for North Carolina Public Schools. Meanwhile, Raleigh always seems to have plenty of money for bonuses and their own pet projects, such as state assisted private golf courses and $30,000 bonuses for staff member of certain state senators.

/end rant.
//Fun filled fact of the day: NC wasted 51 MILLION dollars promoting the Gay Marriage Ban, while at the same time demanding that the public schools cut back another 5% of their total work force.
///Over 1,500 teachers and assistants lost their jobs just so the Jeebuz Farkers could keep that sodomites in their place.
 
2013-04-11 06:41:03 PM
I would be interested in your rant, but I just read about how you have no math ability.

Also, the 1500 that were let go?  Their the ones that apparently can't teach math.

Do good, or get fired.
It's not hard.
 
2013-04-11 06:42:25 PM
*They're

/yes, I get the irony.
 
2013-04-11 06:54:17 PM
we are told a dept of education standardizes education across the US....seems to standardize as ....
i110.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-11 07:01:35 PM

ds615: I would be interested in your rant, but I just read about how you have no math ability.

Also, the 1500 that were let go?   Their the ones that apparently can't teach math.

Do good, or get fired.
It's not hard.


I guessing you graduated from NC
 
2013-04-11 07:02:43 PM
www.charlock.org
 
2013-04-11 07:03:59 PM

SgtArkie: we are told a dept of education standardizes education across the US....seems to standardize as ....
[i110.photobucket.com image 345x246]


Our Dept. of Education has no power to standardize the education across the US.

Any country wide standardization is being done by a mix of state and private interests coming together to try and create some common standards.

See:  Common Core Standards Initiative and Next Generation Science Standards

Both make it very clear in their FAQs the feds have nothing to do with the development of these new standards.
 
2013-04-11 07:32:52 PM

Mrtraveler01: And where is my farking hovercraft!!!


Sorry, they haven't got all the eels out of it yet.
 
2013-04-11 07:35:16 PM

ds615: I would be interested in your rant, but I just read about how you have no math ability.

Also, the 1500 that were let go?   Their the ones that apparently can't teach math.

Do good, or get fired.
It's not hard.


Fail much?

/The 1500 that were let go - seniority was the only basis considered.
 
2013-04-11 07:38:14 PM
Yes, I live in North Carolina. I know that we rank between 42nd to 49th in K-12 education depending which recent survey that you look at.  I know that we rank 46th in teacher pay.

But I will note that there are 23 states that rank below us in this STEM survey metrics used by the N.C. Science, Mathematics and Technology Center and the NC STEM Learning Network  outlined in this article.
 
2013-04-11 07:38:48 PM

Descartes: I blame the decades of Republicanconservative Governors, decades of Republicanconservative

  State School Superintendents, and decades of Republicanconservative control of the state legislature for this.

Desarcastified that for you.
 
2013-04-11 07:42:57 PM

Jesterling: [www.charlock.org image 850x630]


damn i came to post this..... with less pony.
 
2013-04-11 07:48:14 PM

Descartes: I blame the decades of Republican Governors, decades of Republican State School Superintendents, and decades of Republican control of the state legislature for this.


Oh WOW... another fool on Fark that does not know history.  The North Carolina legislature has had a Demoncratic majority for over 100 years until 2010.  All the governors in the last 100 years have been Democrats except for 3 (McCrory, Martin, Holshouser).  All the State School Superintendents since the position was created have been Democrats.

Maybe you should research before you post nonsense.
 
2013-04-11 07:56:01 PM

lennavan: Lost Thought 00: lennavan: Sure their politics are farked up but why all the hate?

Because, from personal experience of living there for too long, the people may seem nice at first, but they'll soon want you dead if you don't join their cult

So cute girls, delicious BBQ but crazy cults.  I'll have to think more about this.


Hey, Kansas matches that as well!

Better bbq than NC but girls aren't quite as cute.

At least in Kansas City the cults are at a minimum but the rest of the state is gods country.
 
2013-04-11 07:58:14 PM
This study brought to you by people with an interest in selling more teaching materials and continuing educator seminars.

I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm saying there's always an interventionist bias, neophilia,  a push for change for the sake of change.

And Google could destroy Apple and the textbook industry by sponsoring Android apps for education and then encouraging schools to adopt them as student textbooks. Put the 'droids in the student's hands from first grade on and you'll have them for life. A ruggedized 'droid with replaceable batteries and a locked down kidsafe browser would cost less than textbooks and could eliminate the need for teachers to grade most homework thus reducing their workload.

Then we rethink school. An interactive lesson app could replace class time and homework for basics and teachers could spend more time on non-rote topics.
 
2013-04-11 08:23:22 PM

NostroZ: nocturnal001: This is what happens when you take God out of the classroom.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 275x183]
Could it be the work of the... DEVIL?


I do...now...

The devil is often associated with numbers after all.

Did you know that if you count to 10 3 times, you will have said 6, 6, 6?  Also, the sum of the numbers 1-10 is 55, you counted that 3 times so that adds up to 165, 1 6  5   that is basicallly 2 6s as you add the 5 and 1.  Two 6s is 2/3 of the devil so that still pretty bad.
 
2013-04-11 08:33:22 PM

meat0918: SgtArkie: we are told a dept of education standardizes education across the US....seems to standardize as ....
[i110.photobucket.com image 345x246]

Our Dept. of Education has no power to standardize the education across the US.

Any country wide standardization is being done by a mix of state and private interests coming together to try and create some common standards.

See:  Common Core Standards Initiative and Next Generation Science Standards

Both make it very clear in their FAQs the feds have nothing to do with the development of these new standards.


ok, then why is it needed other than to funnel money around.
 
2013-04-11 08:44:25 PM
We can be sure the toothbrush was invented in North Carolina. Anywhere else and it would have been named the "teethbrush".
 
2013-04-11 08:53:56 PM
In today's official report of You Don't Say, North Carolina is deficient in math and science education

FTF...wait

In today's official report of You Don't Say, North Carolina is deficient in math and science education

There, now FTFS
 
2013-04-11 09:00:37 PM

SgtArkie: meat0918: SgtArkie: we are told a dept of education standardizes education across the US....seems to standardize as ....
[i110.photobucket.com image 345x246]

Our Dept. of Education has no power to standardize the education across the US.

Any country wide standardization is being done by a mix of state and private interests coming together to try and create some common standards.

See:  Common Core Standards Initiative and Next Generation Science Standards

Both make it very clear in their FAQs the feds have nothing to do with the development of these new standards.

ok, then why is it needed other than to funnel money around.


Funneling money around is kind of important, although how they do it is stupid (No Child Left Behind). They also help schools navigate numerous Federal laws (Title 9, section 504, ADA). They also administer student loans and they do an excellent job of compiling statistics from all the states so we can compare the states on all kinds of categories. Really good stuff, if you're into that sort of thing.
 
2013-04-11 09:01:21 PM

nocturnal001: lennavan: Lost Thought 00: lennavan: Sure their politics are farked up but why all the hate?

Because, from personal experience of living there for too long, the people may seem nice at first, but they'll soon want you dead if you don't join their cult

So cute girls, delicious BBQ but crazy cults.  I'll have to think more about this.

Hey, Kansas matches that as well!

Better bbq than NC but girls aren't quite as cute.


Aaaaand the BBQ war thread begins
 
2013-04-11 09:15:44 PM

Lost Thought 00: Most notably, if you have the skillset to work in a STEM job (horrible buzzword acronym), you have the opportunity to work in almost any major city in the country. Why would you choose to subject yourself to NC?


I thought Durham-Raleigh is real good for tech jobs.
 
2013-04-11 09:15:52 PM

revrendjim: SgtArkie: meat0918: SgtArkie: we are told a dept of education standardizes education across the US....seems to standardize as ....
[i110.photobucket.com image 345x246]

Our Dept. of Education has no power to standardize the education across the US.

Any country wide standardization is being done by a mix of state and private interests coming together to try and create some common standards.

See:  Common Core Standards Initiative and Next Generation Science Standards

Both make it very clear in their FAQs the feds have nothing to do with the development of these new standards.

ok, then why is it needed other than to funnel money around.

Funneling money around is kind of important, although how they do it is stupid (No Child Left Behind). They also help schools navigate numerous Federal laws (Title 9, section 504, ADA). They also administer student loans and they do an excellent job of compiling statistics from all the states so we can compare the states on all kinds of categories. Really good stuff, if you're into that sort of thing.


seems to be rather ineffective to me, if it were to go away the educational situation would be no different. instead of my money, my neighbors money going ALL the way to DC to get filtered back down my school or one in Nebraska...why not me and my neighbors be concerned with our schools?
 
2013-04-11 09:30:10 PM

Mrtraveler01: CapeFearCadaver: Mrtraveler01: Is this true in Charlotte and the Triangle too.

No. The triangle is almost a blue utopia. All the metropolitan areas are fine, the rest of the state... well, while beautiful and wonderful to visit, it's best not to discuss anything besides the weather or fishing with rural locals.

Sounds too much like Missouri.


As someone from MO and who went to UNCW, NC is way worse. One of my profs deliberately failed me because I. He thought I should be home having babies, not being a scientist. He said this to my face, even though I was doing journal-quality work in my other classes and lab.

I fought it, then realized I wanted the hell out of NC and moved to Chicago.
 
2013-04-11 09:32:50 PM

ytterbium: Mrtraveler01: CapeFearCadaver: Mrtraveler01: Is this true in Charlotte and the Triangle too.

No. The triangle is almost a blue utopia. All the metropolitan areas are fine, the rest of the state... well, while beautiful and wonderful to visit, it's best not to discuss anything besides the weather or fishing with rural locals.

Sounds too much like Missouri.

As someone from MO and who went to UNCW, NC is way worse. One of my profs deliberately failed me because I. He thought I should be home having babies, not being a scientist. He said this to my face, even though I was doing journal-quality work in my other classes and lab.

I fought it, then realized I wanted the hell out of NC and moved to Chicago.


Dammit, I didn't review that well enough before posting and didn't see the mistake. I received an excellent education in MO, believe it or not.
 
2013-04-11 09:38:01 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: In today's official report of You Don't Say, North Carolina America is deficient in math and science education


I don't think any state wouldn't have most of these issues found by this report.
 
2013-04-11 09:43:10 PM

Harry_Seldon: Lost Thought 00: Most notably, if you have the skillset to work in a STEM job (horrible buzzword acronym), you have the opportunity to work in almost any major city in the country. Why would you choose to subject yourself to NC?

I thought Durham-Raleigh is real good for tech jobs.


The Triangle is great; lots of tech jobs.  Charlotte and Greensboro aren't bad either.  Everything else is a barren wasteland of derp.
 
2013-04-11 09:53:01 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Sergeant Grumbles: Uranus Is Huge!: Fart_Machine: Is that regular math or biblical math?

Biblical math is comprised entirely of the numbers 7, 12, 40, and 72. I believe cubits and spans are also somehow involved.

/not a biblical mathmatician

My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.

With roddage like that, you can't be hauling more than a couple of Omers.


How many parsecs does it take to make the Kessel run?
 
2013-04-11 10:01:20 PM
Blah, I like North Carolina.  Well, I like the Asheville part of the state, anyhow.  I have considered moving there more than once.
 
2013-04-11 10:06:51 PM

ds615: I would be interested in your rant, but I just read about how you have no math ability.

Also, the 1500 that were let go?   Their the ones that apparently can't teach math.

Do good, or get fired.
It's not hard.


I'll bet their math is better than your English.
 
2013-04-11 10:25:47 PM

ds615: I would be interested in your rant, but I just read about how you have no math ability.

Also, the 1500 that were let go?   Their the ones that apparently can't teach math.

Do good, or get fired.
It's not hard.


Think harder, Homer.

/Way to trip over your dick.
//Time to dust off an alt.
 
2013-04-11 10:31:59 PM

Harry_Seldon: Lost Thought 00: Most notably, if you have the skillset to work in a STEM job (horrible buzzword acronym), you have the opportunity to work in almost any major city in the country. Why would you choose to subject yourself to NC?

I thought Durham-Raleigh is real good for tech jobs.


Yes it is and Charlotte is good for banking IT jobs.  However generally all the people who take these jobs come from out-of-state, and are not North Carolina natives.
 
2013-04-11 10:41:44 PM
Remember, despite the fact the dems had state legislature for a very long time, this IS the land of Jesse Helms.   This is his thoughts from long ago about adding a new state zoo: "Why do we need a zoo when we could just put up a fence around Chapel Hill?"

So yeah, if I has the PS skills I would create a map for everyone that labels Asheville as "Hippies and organic farms", Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill as "Science Land", Charlotte as "Money Bags", while coating the rest of the map with Confederate flags and swamps.

And as for bbq, NC stuff is delicious, but it is because they only use the happy pigs.   http://infoest.sbc.edu/webpages/pix/BBQ/nahunta2.gif
 
2013-04-11 11:09:41 PM
This summer, aside from being away for school for a bit, I've been in the Triangle for 30 years, moved from Fairfield County, CT (yes, I did indeed attend Sandy Hook elementary school).

Great weather, though the summer can take some getting used to, but four distinct seasons of reasonable length.  Fantastic variety of outdoor experiences available within a short drive.  Lots of very bright, worldly people here in the Triangle and loads of cultural amenities thanks to the large university influence--the Austin comparison is very apt, as many I've met here over the years who came here from Austin will attest.

However, you can literally drive just far enough off I-40 to still be able to throw a rock onto the pavement, and be utterly convinced you are in the darkest depths of derpistan.  Led by ALEC tool and dollar store Koch bro. wanna-be Art Pope, the gerrymandered-in derpislature and and their newly installed client governor are busily "taking back their country" at an impressive pace.  It's pretty farking disgusting.

/vinegar, not tomato
//Yeah, I went there
 
2013-04-11 11:24:41 PM
All right, gather 'round kids, Uncle Samurai will explain North Carolina to you...


This state is dominated by its geography.  We have few deep-water ports for such a massive coastline.  We have vast areas of swamp that dominate the eastern lowlands.  In the west we have the Appalachian Mountains, but nowhere near as much territory up there as states like Virginia and Tennessee.  In between is a wide area of decent farmland, with rivers cutting across it largely from northwest to southeast.  There's three regions - the coastal plain, the rolling hills of the Piedmont, and the sharper hills and mountains in the west.  Each region transitions via a rather sharp fall line, which was conducive to water-powered mills.

What this meant for us historically, was that we were one of the least developed colonies/states in the 18th century.  And a lot of early farmers moved here in the mid-18th century because of shortages of farmland in Pennsylvania and land destroyed by over-farming tobacco in central-eastern Virginia.  The first group came down the Shenandoah Valley and settled the area now known as the Triad - Greensboro, Winston-Salem, High Point, etc.  The second group settled a broad swath of land across the central part of the state from New Bern, little Washington, and Edenton and gradually moved west until the land got hillier and rockier.  They couldn't really farm in the far south, because the swamps were bad and the soil was sandy.  The northeast was also swamp, but it was relatively easy to cut canals and use it to ship naval stores and pine trees to Norfolk.

Pro Tip #1:  Pine trees were never naturally abundant in North Carolina; they ran rampant because we cut down deciduous forests for 300 years to raise pine trees.  That's why when you come through NC this time of year you get an unhealthy dose of golden pine tree bukkake.

So we were a slow state to grow for a long time before the Civil War, and while a number of people in the central part of the state bought into the secessionist stuff, there wasn't a whole lot of enthusiasm in the eastern coastal areas that depended on the maritime trade, or in the mountains where the folks in New Bern/Hillsborough/Raleigh had never really done anything to help the marginalized Scots-Irish farmers.  There's a chance this state might not have seceded had we not been sandwiched between Virginia and Worst Carolina, a geographic constraint that we find troublesome to this day.

But we did go to war; at least we didn't get the earth salted quite as bad as Virginia, Georgia, and South Carolina.  Part of it was we were never seen as that ardent of secessionists.  Another part might have been Sherman and his troops getting bored, and once they had a fireworks show in blowing up the Fayetteville Armory they just wanted to go home.  The state that wasn't all that enthusiastic about rebellion bought the Lost Cause bullhockey hook, line, and sinker, though.

In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the western Piedmont figured out the water-powered mills, and the textile processing industry boomed, as did the furniture industries near High Point.  Then one of our governors sinks a lot of money into education right at the start of the 20th century, and North Carolina manages to make itself a little more modern than the rest of the Atlantic southern states. Then comes World War I and military bases go up everywhere, and thus we have Fort Bragg, the one military base that is likely immune to base closure.  The military is now inseparable from that part of the state.

Then came the Civil Rights era.  We avoided some of the more violent retardation; we're just remembered for being assholes about a lunch counter.  And again, despite not ever being heavily invested in slavery or secession, white folks in the rural parts of the state go apeshiat about civil rights.  Thankfully, they lost.  But following the Southern Strategy, the cracks in the wall of the Solid South appeared in North Carolina.  Jesse Helms was first elected in 1972, and even before he got elected, a third of the state was sick of his shiat.

Then in the late 20th century, someone in the Raleigh area saw the writing on the wall; the textile and manufacturing industries vital to the state's economy were living on borrowed time.  So the area between Raleigh, Durham, and Chapel Hill was turned into a commercial-industrial park for various tech industries, and IBM and pharmaceutical companies moved in.  We also had the financial sector in Charlotte, and a wide variety of emerging businesses in Greensboro.  But in other parts of the state, things got bad.  That furniture industry left town for Asia, and the showrooms emptied for trade shows in Vegas.  Almost no textiles are produced in-state anymore.

So we've got three really thriving centers of urban and suburban population - The Triangle (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill), the Triad, and the Charlotte Metro Area.  All three are a mixed bag of political views, though you'll find a lot more blue in these areas.  Charlotte's ties to the banks means there's a wide swath of fiscal conservatism, and McCrory is at the end of a long line of Charlotte-area politicians trying to win the governor's seat.  He's just the one that finally won, thanks in large part to Bev Purdue.

Outside of that urban crescent, there are pockets of civilization.  Asheville is the nexus of the Appalachian road network in North Carolina, so it's large enough to support a decent-sized city.  But it also sits next to Black Mountain, where Billy Graham has his little Jesus complex (and don't let the PR fool you; Graham's advantage over people like Fallwell and Robertson was Billy learned to keep his mouth shut).  The mountain region as a whole has cannonballed into the Southern Strategy; the last Democrat to get elected in the mountains was Heath Shuler, and he had a name and his predecessor Charles Taylor was corrupt as hell.  The mountains are wonderful to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

As you go south from Raleigh, you eventually hit Southern Pines.  It's on the other side of Fort Bragg from Fayetteville.  That's where the golf course is, and you can't afford to live there.

South of that, and Fort Bragg, and Fayetteville, and all the way east past I-95 (from Laurinburg all the way through Lumberton and over to Lake Waccamaw) is an area rampant with poverty.  There's nothing down there to make a lot of money off of, and it's populated by a heavy mix of blacks and displaced natives.  They call themselves the Lumbi tribe, but historically they're not a tribe as much as the remnants of about two dozen pre-contact tribes that were marginalized and then found isolating geography.

The same problem exists in the northeastern part of the state.  Agriculture doesn't make all that much money, and manufacturing is gone, so there's a lot of poverty.  There's a good bit of social conservatism in these areas, oddly enough, though the regions vote blue.

But in between, extending southeast between the Cape Fear and Roanoke rivers, is prime farmland and hog farming areas.  These folks are prime Tea-Party-fodder, because they don't make a lot of money but they largely bought the Southern Strategy, although time and changes in demographics are eroding the facade here.  This is where you see the Hispanic influx, to work the various cotton, strawberry, corn, sweet potatoes, and tobacco fields.  Yes, they still exist, even though the buyouts in the 90s cut them down a LOT.  But even amid this land of rural red you find towns large enough to have colleges, hospitals, and other industries - and this means an urban-suburban middle class (the middle class still exists in eastern NC, mostly because it's cheap to live here).  Greenville is a university/hospital town now, although if you drive five minutes into Pitt County you travel back in time 40 years.  Goldsboro is surprisingly progressive for a town dependent on an Air Force base.  New Bern has enough historic charm that they've managed to initiate a bit of not-quite-gentrification.

This is a state that managed to get a step on the manufacturing exodus of the 1980s and 90s.  There's some real modernization around here, and when you look at large swaths of South Carolina you think this place isn't that bad...at least that was until Dick Armey and Koch Brothers funded the teahad, and a bunch of people who got screwed over by outsourcing and right-to-work state labor attitudes became convinced they were over-taxed and the gays were coming for their guns.  Despite losing a lot of elections in 2008 and 2012, the Republican stratagem of controlling the state legislature in time for redistricting paid off for them.  We'll now spend several years dealing with the fallout.  Some of it is pure derp that will never take, like the shiatbirds from Rowan County.  Other crap, like the gutting of the state university system, will have long and profound issues.  But we're still seeing more Hispanics move into the area, and the old fogeys that will never give up the attitudes that made the Southern Strategy work are disappearing courtesy of Father Time.  We're in a hell of a lot better position than most southeastern states, despite the recent setbacks

/But not everything is that surprising.  Rocky Mount and Kinston are, have always been, and will remain shiatholes that time forgot.  And the Community College of New Jersey at Durham will still suck
 
2013-04-11 11:35:03 PM
Thank goodness I got my kid into a STEM magnet high school. Otherwise, the school she would have been going to would have bored her to tears. It's sad, though, that the school she goes to is about half privately funded because the state wouldn't pay for the teachers to have salaries commensurate to experience and education and wouldn't pony up for new equipment necessary for an advanced science school. So yeah, NC, it's your fault. You wouldn't vote in the funds when you needed to and now it's coming back to bite you on the ass.

/chomp chomp
 
2013-04-12 01:12:00 AM

Descartes: I blame the decades of Republican Governors, decades of Republican State School Superintendents, and decades of Republican control of the state legislature for this.


Blame everyone:

Most critically, North Carolina, like many states, does not ensure that underrepresented minorities, females, and children from low-income homes are as able to make their way through the STEM pipeline as anyone else.

When you don't educate your women, n*ggers and white trash, because the only ones you care about are your 1%-ers, this is what's going to happen.
 
2013-04-12 01:23:05 AM
UNC_Samurai: a lot of farking words

Do you have that somewhere to copy and paste or did you just spontaneously write the wall of text for our benefit?
 
2013-04-12 01:25:01 AM

sugardave: UNC_Samurai: a lot of farking words

Do you have that somewhere to copy and paste or did you just spontaneously write the wall of text for our benefit?


I promise you, I wrote that on the spot.
 
2013-04-12 01:31:42 AM

UNC_Samurai: sugardave: UNC_Samurai: a lot of farking words

Do you have that somewhere to copy and paste or did you just spontaneously write the wall of text for our benefit?

I promise you, I wrote that on the spot.


Most impressive, you get a  www.sciotocountysheriff.com
 
2013-04-12 01:55:29 AM

CapeFearCadaver: Mrtraveler01: Is this true in Charlotte and the Triangle too.

No. The triangle is almost a blue utopia. All the metropolitan areas are fine, the rest of the state... well, while beautiful and wonderful to visit, it's best not to discuss anything besides the weather or fishing with rural locals.


Don't forget about Asheville,NC,but the surrounding area is very messed up. Like where, I live in Madison County.
 
2013-04-12 01:57:57 AM

sugardave: UNC_Samurai: a lot of farking words

Do you have that somewhere to copy and paste or did you just spontaneously write the wall of text for our benefit?


So what I get from that is that North Carolina is like Tennessee and West-by-god-Virginia, only with a coastline; is that, in essence, the state's problem?
 
2013-04-12 03:58:28 AM
It's looking more and more like North Korealina to me.
 
2013-04-12 06:36:57 AM

Gyrfalcon: sugardave: UNC_Samurai: a lot of farking words

Do you have that somewhere to copy and paste or did you just spontaneously write the wall of text for our benefit?

So what I get from that is that North Carolina is like Tennessee and West-by-god-Virginia, only with a coastline; is that, in essence, the state's problem?


The problem is we have three different regions in our east, only one of which is economically healthy; a reasonable middle, and then a western 25% or so of the state that is east Tennessee or West Virginia.
 
2013-04-12 07:58:05 AM

NostroZ: nocturnal001: This is what happens when you take God out of the classroom.


Could it be the work of the... DEVIL?


YMMV, but my catholic education included a solid foundation in the hard sciences, with no creationism taught outside of theology class. In fact, we were never told to take any Old Testament BS as the literal truth. Don't lump the fundie morons in with us.
 
2013-04-12 08:33:04 AM
BarrRepublican: Don't worry. From what I've seen at my time at a Boeing Supplier in SC, most of the technical minds are being imported from the northeast and midwest.

Also, North Carolina is North of SC, not "above" it. Damn Flat-Earther
.

Touche'.  However, I think I will still try to take a pass on the Boeing products if I can, and I usually couldn't care less. Oddly, was considering moving to North Carolina upon retirement but it's taken a severe right turn in the last few years that has me reconsidering...on the other hand, Asheville might still be nice by then....ooops, read a bit more.

UNC_Samurai: Thanks for the history and geography lesson.  Not sure if my wife and I would've made it to Asheville.  Currently live in Virginia Beach where we still have a lot of friends.  I love the mountains, but my wife is less than enchanted by moving away from friends....and moving NEAR a backwoods community is probably not good for us, as we are somewhat gray. I do have a friend that may move back as he is an NC-Stater.....but I don't want to cause any more hate and discontent!

Considering that Virginia is teetering on purple, regardless of Governor Ultrasound (if Ken Cuccinelli becomes the next Governor, I WILL eat a bug....or a slug), and is close enough to the same type of geography, I guess I'll stick with the devil I know.  Temperature-wise, beats the crap out of my home state of Florida.....
 
2013-04-12 08:51:53 AM
Well considering we just voted in a republican governor after 23 years and prior to that the democrats ran the state for 100 years. Whose fault is it? The republican who has only been on office12 weeks of course.
 
2013-04-12 08:57:02 AM

Onkel Buck: Well considering we just voted in a republican governor after 23 years and prior to that the democrats ran the state for 100 years. Whose fault is it? The republican who has only been on office12 weeks of course.


This is not a party issue, it is a state issue (where NC is not alone) minimal emphasis on education is catching up to them.
 
2013-04-12 09:01:35 AM

monoski: Onkel Buck: Well considering we just voted in a republican governor after 23 years and prior to that the democrats ran the state for 100 years. Whose fault is it? The republican who has only been on office12 weeks of course.

This is not a party issue, it is a state issue (where NC is not alone) minimal emphasis on education is catching up to them.


I agree, but its more fun to pass blame and you know it! That way you dont have to fix it.
 
2013-04-12 09:07:01 AM

Onkel Buck: monoski: Onkel Buck: Well considering we just voted in a republican governor after 23 years and prior to that the democrats ran the state for 100 years. Whose fault is it? The republican who has only been on office12 weeks of course.

This is not a party issue, it is a state issue (where NC is not alone) minimal emphasis on education is catching up to them.

I agree, but its more fun to pass blame and you know it! That way you dont have to fix it.


And your original statement wasn't entirely accurate.  Jim Holshouser and Jim Martin were Republican Governors (73-77, 85-93).
 
2013-04-12 09:18:49 AM

UNC_Samurai: This is where you see the Hispanic influx, to work the various cotton, strawberry, corn, sweet potatoes, and tobacco fields.


How can you mention the changing demographics with the Hispanic influx and not mention my lovely home town of 'Little Mexico' (Sanford)?

Shame on you.
 
2013-04-12 09:32:11 AM

Lost Thought 00: Most notably, if you have the skillset to work in a STEM job (horrible buzzword acronym), you have the opportunity to work in almost any major city in the country. Why would you choose to subject yourself to NC?


As somebody who recently took a STEM job in NC, kick, reply, etc...

However, in my field (chemistry) there is very little geographical selection in applying for jobs. I can say "I want to apply for X type of job" be it academic, industrial or governmental and then you see who is hiring and where their R&D center or campus is. If you apply to Dow Chemical, for instance, you could end up in Midland, MI. Conoco Philips has a big center in Bartlesville, OK. There are a couple in big cities -- Eli Lilly in Indianapolis and P&G in Cincinnati, but that's not the rule. Academic jobs are obviously all over the map -- there's a lot of them in "college towns", obviously.

How many people do you think decide "I want to live in Bartlesville, OK" and then start looking to see what kind of work is there for a Ph.D. chemist?
 
2013-04-12 09:49:54 AM

CapeFearCadaver: Mrtraveler01: Is this true in Charlotte and the Triangle too.

No. The triangle is almost a blue utopia. All the metropolitan areas are fine, the rest of the state... well, while beautiful and wonderful to visit, it's best not to discuss anything besides the weather or fishing with rural locals.


A great big THIS. I live in Raleigh but my work takes me all over the state, often to small towns and rural areas well away from the more metropolitan cities. The level of ignorance, insularity, small-mindedness and bigotry demonstrated even by educated people in the rural areas especially is very discouraging. NC is a very beautiful state from one end to the other, but the people living outside the big cities really are from another world.

/once had a surveyor refuse to step onto a property owner's land
//said he wouldn't go on that 'devil worshiper's' property
///he had carved a totem pole out of a tree trunk and stood it up in front of his house
 
2013-04-12 09:57:50 AM

CapeFearCadaver: well, while beautiful and wonderful to visit, it's best not to discuss anything besides the weather or fishing with rural locals.


Kinda how I feel about Chicago.
 
2013-04-12 11:18:16 AM

Donnchadha: Lost Thought 00: Most notably, if you have the skillset to work in a STEM job (horrible buzzword acronym), you have the opportunity to work in almost any major city in the country. Why would you choose to subject yourself to NC?

As somebody who recently took a STEM job in NC, kick, reply, etc...

However, in my field (chemistry) there is very little geographical selection in applying for jobs. I can say "I want to apply for X type of job" be it academic, industrial or governmental and then you see who is hiring and where their R&D center or campus is. If you apply to Dow Chemical, for instance, you could end up in Midland, MI. Conoco Philips has a big center in Bartlesville, OK. There are a couple in big cities -- Eli Lilly in Indianapolis and P&G in Cincinnati, but that's not the rule. Academic jobs are obviously all over the map -- there's a lot of them in "college towns", obviously.

How many people do you think decide "I want to live in Bartlesville, OK" and then start looking to see what kind of work is there for a Ph.D. chemist?


Thing is in NC, there are a lot of chemistry jobs with pharma companies, but there is an income gap between chemists that work in companies located in the research triangle and those outside of that area.  This trend might be true for other states with metropolitan centers, but the educated people often flee to the higher pay and leave the core populace in the rural areas a little less educated in the process.  I don't see companies changing this pay disparity because cheap labor is an appeal to operating in NC.  The state does have several universities to pipe out chemists at an alarming rate.
 
2013-04-12 11:27:49 AM

garlicmonkey: Donnchadha: Lost Thought 00: Most notably, if you have the skillset to work in a STEM job (horrible buzzword acronym), you have the opportunity to work in almost any major city in the country. Why would you choose to subject yourself to NC?

As somebody who recently took a STEM job in NC, kick, reply, etc...

However, in my field (chemistry) there is very little geographical selection in applying for jobs. I can say "I want to apply for X type of job" be it academic, industrial or governmental and then you see who is hiring and where their R&D center or campus is. If you apply to Dow Chemical, for instance, you could end up in Midland, MI. Conoco Philips has a big center in Bartlesville, OK. There are a couple in big cities -- Eli Lilly in Indianapolis and P&G in Cincinnati, but that's not the rule. Academic jobs are obviously all over the map -- there's a lot of them in "college towns", obviously.

How many people do you think decide "I want to live in Bartlesville, OK" and then start looking to see what kind of work is there for a Ph.D. chemist?

Thing is in NC, there are a lot of chemistry jobs with pharma companies, but there is an income gap between chemists that work in companies located in the research triangle and those outside of that area.  This trend might be true for other states with metropolitan centers, but the educated people often flee to the higher pay and leave the core populace in the rural areas a little less educated in the process.  I don't see companies changing this pay disparity because cheap labor is an appeal to operating in NC.  The state does have several universities to pipe out chemists at an alarming rate.


The one upside of the Triangle's sprawl is Wake County is now expensive to live in, and while the schools are good it's an absolute nightmare dealing with a borderline retarded county school board and a hundred thousand parents all pulling in different directions.

As a result, places like Johnston, Nash, and Wilson counties are becoming bedroom communities for Raleigh, meaning the economic windfall actually does trickle out to cities like Smithfield, Wilson, and Zebulon. But further out in towns like Ahoskie, there's nothing to help them.
 
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