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(USA Today)   Cockroach nymphs. Flies. Failed health inspection. Carnival continues their cruise to bankruptcy   (usatoday.com) divider line 71
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2013-04-11 05:32:14 PM
I'm guessing they won't manage to stay afloat much longer.
 
2013-04-11 05:32:25 PM
I'm so glad I booked my Carnival cruise before all this crap started. Still going for it, though. YOLO!
 
2013-04-11 05:34:21 PM
On the plus side, they're running some good specials right now.
 
2013-04-11 05:36:04 PM
Still taking my yearly cruise to Alaska, altho it is with Princess I wouldn't mind Carnival.
 
2013-04-11 05:36:53 PM
Does this mean it's time to play "Poop Ship Destroyer" by Ween then?

Ok.
 
2013-04-11 05:37:39 PM
When it's time to dress up your catch, how do you like to prepare cockroach nymphs?

...Damn speed reading course...
 
2013-04-11 05:38:43 PM
Roach nymphs? Is that like a voodoo lady?
 
2013-04-11 05:39:25 PM
Hey, it's free protein.
 
2013-04-11 05:39:42 PM
That was the cockroach cluster.

Wait until they try the crunchy frog.
 
2013-04-11 05:40:21 PM
A fly touched the hamburger meat!!! My god....

If that was the standard I'd have to throw away... pretty much everything I've every cooked outside... no, make that everything I've ever cooked outside.
 
2013-04-11 05:43:28 PM
Horny cockroaches? Count me in
 
2013-04-11 05:44:13 PM
My wife and I have traveled to many places in all our years together, both posh and... not so posh. Flying certainly sucks the big one but it's a temporary thing. We just have NEVER been able to understand why folks would embark on a cruise.

I see the words "sneeze guard" and I'm OUT.
 
2013-04-11 05:44:20 PM
Why are my raisins moving?
 
2013-04-11 05:46:32 PM

Fizpez: A fly touched the hamburger meat!!! My god....

If that was the standard I'd have to throw away... pretty much everything I've every cooked outside... no, make that everything I've ever cooked outside.


I would have to throw away a bunch of stuff that I have cooked INSIDE my house. Hell, you get flies inside from time to time and they're going to land on your food.

I wonder if these inspectors have ever been camping? They would probably get an ulcer from all the dirty things touching their food.
 
2013-04-11 05:51:13 PM
The CDC vessel sanitation program has a handy cruise ship inspection search tool for all to enjoy...

Link

Or, not, as the case may be.
 
2013-04-11 05:53:54 PM
Cruise? WHY? I can eat like a pig where I live.
 
2013-04-11 05:55:33 PM

darch: My wife and I have traveled to many places in all our years together, both posh and... not so posh. Flying certainly sucks the big one but it's a temporary thing. We just have NEVER been able to understand why folks would embark on a cruise.

I see the words "sneeze guard" and I'm OUT.


I think you are missing the point of cruising.  You can do things you can't do on a land locked vacation like shopping in stores, going to a casino, seeing a show, choosing from several different mediocre restaurants, or going swimming, but get this....wait for it....you're on a boat!!!   And when you go back to your room...the towel....the towel on your bed....might be shaped like a monkey or an elephant!!!

Oh and all the norovirus you wish to inhale, it's free.
 
2013-04-11 05:58:37 PM

utsagrad123: On the plus side, they're running some good specials right now.


I dunno. I just looked up pricing and it was in line with what I paid for RCC (which isn't much better quality) four years ago.
 
2013-04-11 06:04:11 PM
Why isn't there a course that these MBA weasels take that says skimping on health and safety is a bad idea?  That superfluous cutting costs is good, but basic sanitation isn't one of those.  I mean, it seems like basic common sense, yet we see disaster after disaster where a corporation failed to maintain basic health, safety and maintenance and then had it blow up in their face.
 
2013-04-11 06:09:31 PM
Carnival spokesman Vance Gulliksen tells USA TODAY that a Carnival ship failing a CDC inspection is a rare occurrence nobody's perfect.
 
2013-04-11 06:14:41 PM
i'm not what you would call a "learned man" by any stretch. but I know this, if there is one cockroach nymph, it's mom and 1000's of it's relatives are also booked for the cruise.
 
2013-04-11 06:17:58 PM

Bondith: Why isn't there a course that these MBA weasels take that says skimping on health and safety is a bad idea?  That superfluous cutting costs is good, but basic sanitation isn't one of those.  I mean, it seems like basic common sense, yet we see disaster after disaster where a corporation failed to maintain basic health, safety and maintenance and then had it blow up in their face.


Perhaps it's not necessarily a direct attempt on their part to do a shiatty job on health and safety. The big thing is seeing how much you can do with the fewest amount of people, even if that means grinding them into dust to do so. The company thinks it's saving tons of money by not hiring the proper amount of people to do the jobs that need doing and offloading it to the current lot of poor bastards, when in fact they're shooting themselves in the foot. When you're some guy with his boss breathing down his neck and you have the work of two or three people to do, guess what? shiat gets half-assed, because even the idea of having the time to get all of that work done is completely laughable. Thus food related surfaces and equipment don't get cleaned correctly, machines don't get proper maintenance, etc. The result of bean counters who've never done a days work on the ground floor of whatever business they're involved in.
 
2013-04-11 06:20:14 PM
actually they should scuttle that garbage barge, or sell to the Chinese for scrap. maybe they could make an aircraft carrier out of it!
 
2013-04-11 06:35:03 PM

Bondith: Why isn't there a course that these MBA weasels take that says skimping on health and safety is a bad idea?  That superfluous cutting costs is good, but basic sanitation isn't one of those.  I mean, it seems like basic common sense, yet we see disaster after disaster where a corporation failed to maintain basic health, safety and maintenance and then had it blow up in their face.


I really don't think consumers care about the health safety as long as nobody is dying and the cost of the cruise is cheao.

In NYC nobody stops eating at restaurants that have the big B an C health inspection letter grade on their front door, and I know for a fact that some restaurants don't even bother cleaning up their act and getting regraded because they've concluded they're not losing any business with the B or C.
 
2013-04-11 06:43:52 PM

Enemabag Jones: That was the cockroach cluster.

Wait until they try the crunchy frog.


or the spring bolt.
 
2013-04-11 06:44:24 PM
simpsonswiki.net
 
2013-04-11 06:45:07 PM
Get out. The ship passed inspection in Liberia just fine.
 
2013-04-11 06:51:17 PM
I know "spring surprise" I work for a fastener company! it's not my fault.
 
2013-04-11 06:56:58 PM
I don't know what a cockroach nymph is, and I'm too scared to search it.
 
2013-04-11 07:08:48 PM
So, this is a one-off and everything is back to "ship shape."  Way to go on the manufactured outrage, there mitter.
 
2013-04-11 07:15:31 PM
Nothing like 'relaxing' at sea with over 5000 strangers,, blah

These are cruise ships IMHO
www.starclippers.com


I might put up with the 2 new Disney ships so the kiddos are entertained
 
2013-04-11 07:20:40 PM

Little_Dictator: Bondith: Why isn't there a course that these MBA weasels take that says skimping on health and safety is a bad idea?  That superfluous cutting costs is good, but basic sanitation isn't one of those.  I mean, it seems like basic common sense, yet we see disaster after disaster where a corporation failed to maintain basic health, safety and maintenance and then had it blow up in their face.

Perhaps it's not necessarily a direct attempt on their part to do a shiatty job on health and safety. The big thing is seeing how much you can do with the fewest amount of people, even if that means grinding them into dust to do so. The company thinks it's saving tons of money by not hiring the proper amount of people to do the jobs that need doing and offloading it to the current lot of poor bastards, when in fact they're shooting themselves in the foot. When you're some guy with his boss breathing down his neck and you have the work of two or three people to do, guess what? shiat gets half-assed, because even the idea of having the time to get all of that work done is completely laughable. Thus food related surfaces and equipment don't get cleaned correctly, machines don't get proper maintenance, etc. The result of bean counters who've never done a days work on the ground floor of whatever business they're involved in.


thornhill:
I really don't think consumers care about the health safety as long as nobody is dying and the cost of the cruise is cheao.

In NYC nobody stops eating at restaurants that have the big B an C health inspection letter grade on their front door, and I know for a fact that some restaurants don't even bother cleaning up their act and getting regraded because they've concluded they're not losing any business with the B or C.


You both raise excellent points.  They get away with it because they can...until it all goes wrong.

/And then the people in charge suffer absolutely no consequences
 
2013-04-11 07:22:25 PM

Glitchwerks: I don't know what a cockroach nymph is, and I'm too scared to search it.


But you're not scared to reveal that you didn't read the article.

/bustin' chops
 
2013-04-11 07:29:44 PM
My family's only been on one cruise and never went back..

immigration.procon.org
 
2013-04-11 07:37:05 PM

Little_Dictator: Bondith: Why isn't there a course that these MBA weasels take that says skimping on health and safety is a bad idea?  That superfluous cutting costs is good, but basic sanitation isn't one of those.  I mean, it seems like basic common sense, yet we see disaster after disaster where a corporation failed to maintain basic health, safety and maintenance and then had it blow up in their face.

Perhaps it's not necessarily a direct attempt on their part to do a shiatty job on health and safety. The big thing is seeing how much you can do with the fewest amount of people, even if that means grinding them into dust to do so. The company thinks it's saving tons of money by not hiring the proper amount of people to do the jobs that need doing and offloading it to the current lot of poor bastards, when in fact they're shooting themselves in the foot. When you're some guy with his boss breathing down his neck and you have the work of two or three people to do, guess what? shiat gets half-assed, because even the idea of having the time to get all of that work done is completely laughable. Thus food related surfaces and equipment don't get cleaned correctly, machines don't get proper maintenance, etc. The result of bean counters who've never done a days work on the ground floor of whatever business they're involved in.


They should have a "clean your own room and dishes" discount package. The industry regulates itself!
 
2013-04-11 07:39:10 PM

Bondith: /And then the people in charge suffer absolutely no consequences


Right. It's rare that anyone ever goes to jail, let alone loses their own money.

Pretty much all that happens is that the company pays a fine to the company and loses some money in a civil suit -- and the losses pail in comparison to all the money that was saved through cutting corners. And the person who made the decision to cut corners, resulting in the death? They're never punished. So there's little disincentive not to endanger people's lives to maximize profits.
 
2013-04-11 07:41:18 PM
Oh great.  I clicked on this thread, and now Google is showing me Terminex ads....
 
2013-04-11 07:44:29 PM

Little_Dictator: Bondith: Why isn't there a course that these MBA weasels take that says skimping on health and safety is a bad idea?  That superfluous cutting costs is good, but basic sanitation isn't one of those.  I mean, it seems like basic common sense, yet we see disaster after disaster where a corporation failed to maintain basic health, safety and maintenance and then had it blow up in their face.

Perhaps it's not necessarily a direct attempt on their part to do a shiatty job on health and safety. The big thing is seeing how much you can do with the fewest amount of people, even if that means grinding them into dust to do so. The company thinks it's saving tons of money by not hiring the proper amount of people to do the jobs that need doing and offloading it to the current lot of poor bastards, when in fact they're shooting themselves in the foot. When you're some guy with his boss breathing down his neck and you have the work of two or three people to do, guess what? shiat gets half-assed, because even the idea of having the time to get all of that work done is completely laughable. Thus food related surfaces and equipment don't get cleaned correctly, machines don't get proper maintenance, etc. The result of bean counters who've never done a days work on the ground floor of whatever business they're involved in.


Them too, huh?
 
2013-04-11 07:46:15 PM

uncleacid: Why are my raisins moving?

Sir, those are not just raisins, they are imported Mexican jumping raisins. You had better eat them fast.
 
2013-04-11 07:46:32 PM
Cockroach nymphs. Flies. Failed health inspection....  Done dirt cheap?

Sounds like those neckties back at Carnival HQ need to have their contracts ripped up, and thrown in a high voltage incinerator.  It's unimaginable how they can get away with these dirty deeds.
 
2013-04-11 07:57:15 PM
I haven't seen a cockroach in my condo in years, but I get the occasional mosquito, and yes, that red dot on the floor is dried food waste from last night's pizza.  I guess I'd fail this test too.

I know, I'm not serving people food for money, but I seriously doubt the deficiencies in this report are what's causing all these accidents, engine breakdowns, toilet breakdowns, viral attacks, etc.

Anyone who's ever been at a barbecue has seen flies near the raw beef.  Not a cluster of flies crawling over it in throngs, I hope, but a fly or two is surely a routine guest at an outdoor grilling event.
 
2013-04-11 07:59:48 PM
salad bar items not protected by a sneeze shield

lh3.ggpht.com
Sorry about that.
 
2013-04-11 08:10:14 PM
Cruise Critic says that 86 is a passing score. Perhaps it's just me, but that seems too low.
 
2013-04-11 08:16:34 PM
OK I'll add that to my list of why I never want to go on a large cruise ship.

In no particular order:

1) Rapey/thievey crewmembers who never get investigated because international waters
2) Mysteriously disappearing passengers (see #1)
3) Norovirus
4) Engine failure
5) Poseidon Adventure
6) Overly macho captains who slam the boat into undersea obstacles in a misguided attempt to impress somebody
7) Trapped on the same ship with a bunch of other idiots for days on end
8) Buffet food
9) Pirates, none of whom are Johnny Depp

10) Roaches - I lived in the big city, I've been there, done that, don't want to go back.
 
2013-04-11 08:32:15 PM

Little_Dictator: Bondith: Why isn't there a course that these MBA weasels take that says skimping on health and safety is a bad idea?  That superfluous cutting costs is good, but basic sanitation isn't one of those.  I mean, it seems like basic common sense, yet we see disaster after disaster where a corporation failed to maintain basic health, safety and maintenance and then had it blow up in their face.

Perhaps it's not necessarily a direct attempt on their part to do a shiatty job on health and safety. The big thing is seeing how much you can do with the fewest amount of people, even if that means grinding them into dust to do so. The company thinks it's saving tons of money by not hiring the proper amount of people to do the jobs that need doing and offloading it to the current lot of poor bastards, when in fact they're shooting themselves in the foot. When you're some guy with his boss breathing down his neck and you have the work of two or three people to do, guess what? shiat gets half-assed, because even the idea of having the time to get all of that work done is completely laughable. Thus food related surfaces and equipment don't get cleaned correctly, machines don't get proper maintenance, etc. The result of bean counters who've never done a days work on the ground floor of whatever business they're involved in.



And it was all okay, until the norovirus hit the anus!
 
2013-04-11 08:34:19 PM

Fano: Roach nymphs? Is that like a voodoo lady?


To come away with the shepherds, obviously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cinx9hYiMI
 
2013-04-11 08:36:03 PM
Blech, I'm over cruises.  We did two because they were super cheap in FL.

First one was ok, second one was horrible. Our room filled up with cigarette smoke overnight (was literally fuzzy and could barely see).  The staff acted like I was being a huge pain and that I was making this up.  Finally wound up with a crappier room and only got a refund for the difference in price. Just horrible.  Nothing like changing rooms at 2AM and having your clothes reek like smoke.

One was carnival one was royal caribbean.  I think carnival was the smoking one, not 100% sure though.
 
2013-04-11 08:47:40 PM
We took a cruise to Mexico two years ago and it was pretty fun. But it's a been there, done that kind of thing. I can't come up with a good reason to go again.
 
2013-04-11 08:51:23 PM

ICDedPpl: I'm so glad I booked my Carnival cruise before all this crap started. Still going for it, though. YOLO!


ts3.mm.bing.net
May want to take one of these along.
 
2013-04-11 08:55:55 PM
This didn't happen when white people staffed ocean liners.

(too "right-for-the-throat-y"?)
 
2013-04-11 08:55:56 PM

FARK rebel soldier: salad bar items not protected by a sneeze shield

[lh3.ggpht.com image 850x637]
Sorry about that.


Sir, you disgust me.

/[Funny]
 
2013-04-11 09:22:46 PM

darch: My wife and I have traveled to many places in all our years together, both posh and... not so posh. Flying certainly sucks the big one but it's a temporary thing. We just have NEVER been able to understand why folks would embark on a cruise.

I see the words "sneeze guard" and I'm OUT.


Yep, did it once, and it was a high end cruise in Europe and it was about what you expect.  Never again, I don't like feeling like cattle when I travel.
 
2013-04-11 09:31:21 PM
Gilligan!!!
 
2013-04-11 09:35:53 PM

Sir_Farkalot: Glitchwerks: I don't know what a cockroach nymph is, and I'm too scared to search it.

But you're not scared to reveal that you didn't read the article.

/bustin' chops


Pretty sure there wasn't a picure of one in the article.
 
2013-04-11 09:46:43 PM

kidgenius: Fizpez: A fly touched the hamburger meat!!! My god....

If that was the standard I'd have to throw away... pretty much everything I've every cooked outside... no, make that everything I've ever cooked outside.

I would have to throw away a bunch of stuff that I have cooked INSIDE my house. Hell, you get flies inside from time to time and they're going to land on your food.

I wonder if these inspectors have ever been camping? They would probably get an ulcer from all the dirty things touching their food.


I was thinking the same thing. Much ado about nothing, though I suppose they like to get the rich types who fuss over the slightest thing, so... Bleh.
 
2013-04-11 10:41:48 PM
He says in response to the CDC report, "corrective action was taken immediately, with several issues being resolved during the inspection and all issues resolved within 24 hours of the inspection."

They got rid of all the cockroaches in a ship the size of a high rise hotel within 24 hours? Hmm, I thought Carnaval was for clowns, not magicians.
 
2013-04-12 12:46:42 AM
I agree with you:
Still taking my yearly cruise to Alaska, altho it is with Princess I wouldn't mind Carnival.

Carnival has owned Princess since 2003.

kidgenius:
I wonder if these inspectors have ever been camping? They would probably get an ulcer from all the dirty things touching their food.

It's almost as if people expect more from commercial kitchens that prepare meals for hundreds or thousands of people and have access to refrigeration and clean water to wash their hands...

If no one cares about cockroaches running around, you can bet that they aren't too worried about hand washing.  Incidentally, the way you contract norovirus is by ingesting either the shiat or the vomit of someone who was infected.  In the past 2 months, there have been 3 norovirus outbreaks on cruise ships, infecting over 500 people.
 
2013-04-12 01:40:42 AM
I own a restaurant and you don't get docked points for having a fly or a cockroach nymph.  All kitchens have those at some point, part of the nature of having a lot of food around.  You can never clean enough to capture every crumb or smear that some insect can eat.  If the inspector looks around and everything is generally clean and complies with health department rules they'll ignore that kind of stuff or say something like "you should get a exterminator in here before this becomes a problem."  When your kitchen isn't in order they start looking for stuff to lower your score or shut you down.  It's not that there was a fly, it's that the place overall was unsanitary.
 
2013-04-12 02:35:15 AM
i16.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-12 02:37:00 AM
I went on a Carnival cruise once, got some cock action after smoking a roach with a nympho who unzipped my fly and did unhealthy things. But, wait, what were we talking about?
 
2013-04-12 03:03:16 AM
Am I the only one who read the article and thought "If that is all they can find wrong on a ship that size then I am impressed".

Seriously, 2 flies and one roach nymph was it? And some dried food and no sneeze guards. Wow.

86% score. In the UK you get a First Class Degree for 70% and virtually nobody gets 80%. Since when was 86% a bad result?
 
2013-04-12 03:05:48 AM

TV's Vinnie: This didn't happen when white people staffed ocean liners.

(too "right-for-the-throat-y"?)


Hiring most of your staff from cultures and economies which don't or can't provide or understand the value of basic hygiene behaviors and protocols is not a recipe for success.
 
2013-04-12 06:20:01 AM

Pert: Am I the only one who read the article and thought "If that is all they can find wrong on a ship that size then I am impressed".

Seriously, 2 flies and one roach nymph was it? And some dried food and no sneeze guards. Wow.

86% score. In the UK you get a First Class Degree for 70% and virtually nobody gets 80%. Since when was 86% a bad result?


Grade inflation.
 
2013-04-12 06:26:17 AM

Pert: Am I the only one who read the article and thought "If that is all they can find wrong on a ship that size then I am impressed".

Seriously, 2 flies and one roach nymph was it? And some dried food and no sneeze guards. Wow.

86% score. In the UK you get a First Class Degree for 70% and virtually nobody gets 80%. Since when was 86% a bad result?


No, that's the first thing I thought too.
 
2013-04-12 08:17:31 AM
This is like when the USS Enterprise was bought out by Marriott!

/obscure?
 
2013-04-12 08:29:09 AM
Carnival, how farking hard is ths for you?
4.bp.blogspot.com

Put down red or persian carpet, put an ATM next to your internet room, add some plants next to everything, and dump ice cream and hot chocolate on the deck chairs. Maybe invite the king of Merica on the cruise. Simple really.
 
2013-04-12 11:20:38 AM
Well, at least the Carnival Glory has not made the news ... yet ... >.<

To be fair, the cruise wasn't that bad and I won $1000 within 10 mins of sitting down at the penny slots, paying for my entire bar bill for the seven days.  So, I guess that makes up for the maggot burgers I suppose ...
 
2013-04-12 01:23:39 PM

uncleacid: Why are my raisins moving?


Better hurry up and catch it.
 
2013-04-12 03:15:02 PM

darch: My wife and I have traveled to many places in all our years together, both posh and... not so posh. Flying certainly sucks the big one but it's a temporary thing. We just have NEVER been able to understand why folks would embark on a cruise.

I see the words "sneeze guard" and I'm OUT.


My husband and I don't fly. We are flying phobic. It's not just the loss of control, since we aren't flying the plane or aware of its mechanical/repair history, it's the long, long fall to death that we don't enjoy. However, we've always wanted to go on a cruise. Now, though, we'll just stay home. I would not get on a cruise ship if you paid me. If it's not the mechanical breakdowns or running into the shore, it's the norovirus, if it's not the norovirus, it's the filthy conditions in the kitchens. Sigh.
 
2013-04-12 04:25:20 PM

silvervial: darch: My wife and I have traveled to many places in all our years together, both posh and... not so posh. Flying certainly sucks the big one but it's a temporary thing. We just have NEVER been able to understand why folks would embark on a cruise.

I see the words "sneeze guard" and I'm OUT.

My husband and I don't fly. We are flying phobic. It's not just the loss of control, since we aren't flying the plane or aware of its mechanical/repair history, it's the long, long fall to death that we don't enjoy. However, we've always wanted to go on a cruise. Now, though, we'll just stay home. I would not get on a cruise ship if you paid me. If it's not the mechanical breakdowns or running into the shore, it's the norovirus, if it's not the norovirus, it's the filthy conditions in the kitchens. Sigh.


You two sound ... not very fun.
 
2013-04-12 07:06:10 PM
I'm thinkin' Carnival should just fly the Quarantine flag by default on all their ships from now.
 
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