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2013-04-11 12:27:44 PM  
Ty Cobb died when I was a toddler, but he lived the last few years of his life in the general area where I grew up (he had a house at Lake Tahoe).  He apparently did not keep himself hidden away, but was out and about--going to casinos and trying to bang showgirls and young blackjack dealers despite being 70 years old, etc.  So he got to be pretty well known in the area.  And for years after that, throughout my childhood, those in the area who knew him then would talk about their dealings with him, and pretty much the only thing that would come across from those stories was what an unpleasant old prick he was.  I don't think I ever heard anybody who knew him say a single good thing about him.

Helluva ballplayer, though.  One of the top 5 of all time, probably.
 
2013-04-11 02:35:58 PM  
Corm Cobb?
 
2013-04-11 02:50:30 PM  

Cyberluddite: Ty Cobb died when I was a toddler, but he lived the last few years of his life in the general area where I grew up (he had a house at Lake Tahoe).  He apparently did not keep himself hidden away, but was out and about--going to casinos and trying to bang showgirls and young blackjack dealers despite being 70 years old, etc.  So he got to be pretty well known in the area.  And for years after that, throughout my childhood, those in the area who knew him then would talk about their dealings with him, and pretty much the only thing that would come across from those stories was what an unpleasant old prick he was.  I don't think I ever heard anybody who knew him say a single good thing about him.

Helluva ballplayer, though.  One of the top 5 of all time, probably.


Being a prick is a good asset in sports. Jordan, Pete Rose, Tiger, etc.
 
2013-04-11 02:51:35 PM  
Cyberluddite:

Helluva ballplayer, though.  One of the top 5 of all time, probably.

If I had a Baseball Time Machine watching the 1909 World Series with Cobb and Wagner would be a "Must See" on my tour.
 
2013-04-11 02:55:03 PM  
Being a 'jerk' would be huge improvement, so well done I guess?
 
2013-04-11 02:58:02 PM  
FTFA: He once pummeled a disabled heckler. He was despised by most opponents and a fair number of teammates.


Didn't this disabled man have no arms?
 
2013-04-11 03:00:39 PM  
Wow what a story.  Grandparent nice to grandchildren despite being a dick to everyone else on the face of the planet.

Here's a clue guy, Ty Cobb's son learned nearly all of his abusive behavior from him.
 
2013-04-11 03:01:41 PM  
I commend Mr. Cobb for not treating that "disabled" heckler any differently than he would have treated a non-"disabled" heckler, rather than being ableist and acting as though he shouldn't get an asskicking simply because he didn't have use of whatever limbs.

That's pretty forward-thinking of him, to be honest.
 
2013-04-11 03:03:30 PM  
Looks like he raised his son to be a dick but loved his grandkids. Call it a wash
 
2013-04-11 03:06:20 PM  

IAmRight: I commend Mr. Cobb for not treating that "disabled" heckler any differently than he would have treated a non-"disabled" heckler, rather than being ableist and acting as though he shouldn't get an asskicking simply because he didn't have use of whatever limbs.

That's pretty forward-thinking of him, to be honest.


Well, that guy did call him a son of a...attractive and successful african-american.  Something even his teammates (who hated Cobb) thought was too much for any reasonable (white) man to have to take - making the beat-down justified in their eyes. They even threatened to strike unless his suspension was overturned I seem to recall.
 
2013-04-11 03:09:15 PM  

Tiberius Gracchus: IAmRight: I commend Mr. Cobb for not treating that "disabled" heckler any differently than he would have treated a non-"disabled" heckler, rather than being ableist and acting as though he shouldn't get an asskicking simply because he didn't have use of whatever limbs.

That's pretty forward-thinking of him, to be honest.

Well, that guy did call him a son of a...attractive and successful african-american.  Something even his teammates (who hated Cobb) thought was too much for any reasonable (white) man to have to take - making the beat-down justified in their eyes. They even threatened to strike unless his suspension was overturned I seem to recall.


I actually support more fan beatings. Remind people that the people out there playing the game? Yeah, they're still human beings. You don't get to just spend hours being an asshole to strangers without expecting to catch an occasional punch to the face.
 
2013-04-11 03:20:38 PM  

IAmRight: Tiberius Gracchus: IAmRight: I commend Mr. Cobb for not treating that "disabled" heckler any differently than he would have treated a non-"disabled" heckler, rather than being ableist and acting as though he shouldn't get an asskicking simply because he didn't have use of whatever limbs.

That's pretty forward-thinking of him, to be honest.

Well, that guy did call him a son of a...attractive and successful african-american.  Something even his teammates (who hated Cobb) thought was too much for any reasonable (white) man to have to take - making the beat-down justified in their eyes. They even threatened to strike unless his suspension was overturned I seem to recall.

I actually support more fan beatings. Remind people that the people out there playing the game? Yeah, they're still human beings. You don't get to just spend hours being an asshole to strangers without expecting to catch an occasional punch to the face.


ts2.mm.bing.net

Concurs.
 
2013-04-11 03:20:42 PM  

IAmRight: I actually support more fan beatings. Remind people that the people out there playing the game? Yeah, they're still human beings. You don't get to just spend hours being an asshole to strangers without expecting to catch an occasional punch to the face.


3.bp.blogspot.com

Or chair, perhaps.
 
2013-04-11 03:22:18 PM  

babysealclubber: FTFA: He once pummeled a disabled heckler. He was despised by most opponents and a fair number of teammates.


Didn't this disabled man have no arms?


According to the story, people in the crowd shouted "Stop! He doesn't have any arms!".

To which Cobb allegedly replied "I don't care if he doesn't have any legs!"
 
2013-04-11 03:23:42 PM  

Tiberius Gracchus: IAmRight: I commend Mr. Cobb for not treating that "disabled" heckler any differently than he would have treated a non-"disabled" heckler, rather than being ableist and acting as though he shouldn't get an asskicking simply because he didn't have use of whatever limbs.

That's pretty forward-thinking of him, to be honest.

Well, that guy did call him a son of a...attractive and successful african-american.  Something even his teammates (who hated Cobb) thought was too much for any reasonable (white) man to have to take - making the beat-down justified in their eyes. They even threatened to strike unless his suspension was overturned I seem to recall.


They did strike:  http://www.chatterfromthedugout.com/first_baseball_strike.htm
 
2013-04-11 03:26:28 PM  

Rex_Banner: According to the story, people in the crowd shouted "Stop! He doesn't have any arms!".

To which Cobb allegedly replied "I don't care if he doesn't have any legs!"


BTW, I kind of prefer a world where people think "Sh*t, I have no arms. What I should probably do is not be an asshole to people, because it would be really, really easy to kick my ass. Also, usually I need people to help me out with various things. I should probably be as nice as possible," rather than, "I have no arms, so I basically have immunity! I will never face any repercussions for my actions!"
 
2013-04-11 03:28:12 PM  

IAmRight: I actually support more fan beatings. Remind people that the people out there playing the game? Yeah, they're still human beings. You don't get to just spend hours being an asshole to strangers without expecting to catch an occasional punch to the face.


I can get behind all of this.
 
2013-04-11 03:29:40 PM  

buckeyebrain: They did strike:  http://www.chatterfromthedugout.com/first_baseball_strike.htm


Wait, the person he was beating was a Yankees fan? Hard to believe there was a time where that wasn't encouraged.
 
2013-04-11 03:30:13 PM  
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2013-04-11 03:30:49 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: IAmRight: I actually support more fan beatings. Remind people that the people out there playing the game? Yeah, they're still human beings. You don't get to just spend hours being an asshole to strangers without expecting to catch an occasional punch to the face.

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Or chair, perhaps.


I was at that game, and as I recall, the chair struck the person sitting behind the couple that had been shiat-talking that Rangers bullpen pitcher (forget the guy's name now) about his stillborn kid. So while I'm for dialing back the assholishness a bit from the stands, I'm not really in favor of players hulking out and throwing objects willy-nilly into the stands.
 
2013-04-11 03:32:27 PM  
That no-armed heckler's name? Bucky LaGrange. Now you know...the rest of the story.


Not really.
 
2013-04-11 03:34:01 PM  

Cagey B: So while I'm for dialing back the assholishness a bit from the stands, I'm not really in favor of players hulking out and throwing objects willy-nilly into the stands.


Yup, that's the one problem I had with that and the Artest incident. You gotta get the right person. Maybe the stadium/arena can help out with a spotlight or something.

OMG the video of the spotlight panning across the crowd and the "oh sh*t no it wasn't me" looks on the people in it would be fantastic EVERY time it happened.
 
2013-04-11 03:36:03 PM  

Cagey B: I was at that game, and as I recall, the chair struck the person sitting behind the couple that had been shiat-talking that Rangers bullpen pitcher (forget the guy's name now) about his stillborn kid. So while I'm for dialing back the assholishness a bit from the stands, I'm not really in favor of players hulking out and throwing objects willy-nilly into the stands.


Really? It's unfortunate that the chair missed it's mark.  I'm all for good-natured heckling, but whoever was heckling about a stillborn baby needs to have their ass kicked mercilessly.
 
2013-04-11 03:38:55 PM  

IAmRight: Yup, that's the one problem I had with that and the Artest incident. You gotta get the right person. Maybe the stadium/arena can help out with a spotlight or something.

OMG the video of the spotlight panning across the crowd and the "oh sh*t no it wasn't me" looks on the people in it would be fantastic EVERY time it happened.


This is probably the best idea I've ever seen in the sports tab. It would reduce the number of obnoxious dicks at games, while also treating fans to an impromptu "are you not entertained!?1?" moment.
 
2013-04-11 03:42:16 PM  

Nabb1: Really? It's unfortunate that the chair missed it's mark. I'm all for good-natured heckling, but whoever was heckling about a stillborn baby needs to have their ass kicked mercilessly.


It was waaay over the line, yes. I'm a die-hard A's fan, but I wouldn't have objected if there had been a bullpen-a-mano moment with the dude that started the trouble with that one. The players themselves are fair game, but dead children is pretty f*cked up.

Frank Francisco didn't help matters with the chair thing, though.
 
2013-04-11 03:51:30 PM  

IAmRight: Rex_Banner: According to the story, people in the crowd shouted "Stop! He doesn't have any arms!".

To which Cobb allegedly replied "I don't care if he doesn't have any legs!"

BTW, I kind of prefer a world where people think "Sh*t, I have no arms. What I should probably do is not be an asshole to people, because it would be really, really easy to kick my ass. Also, usually I need people to help me out with various things. I should probably be as nice as possible," rather than, "I have no arms, so I basically have immunity! I will never face any repercussions for my actions!"


I agree with this completely. But then again, I am a terrible, terrible person
 
2013-04-11 03:54:41 PM  
Sam Crawford is in the Hall of Fame. He played next to Ty Cobb with the Tigers for most of his career while almost openly despising Cobb. The two could have served as drama guild masks the perpetually sunny Crawford vs the  perpetually glowering Cobb. Crawford went on to be an old man everyone loved Cobb went on being the same misanthrope he always was.
 
2013-04-11 04:03:34 PM  
Eh he's no Hank Aaron III. That guy was awful, worse than Tiny Iota.
 
2013-04-11 04:09:42 PM  

js34603: Eh he's no Hank Aaron III. That guy was awful, worse than Tiny Iota.


Well yeah, Hank Aaron was the second worst player of all time whereas Tiny Iota was a great ballplayer.
 
2013-04-11 04:10:39 PM  

Claude the Dog: That no-armed heckler's name? Bucky LaGrange. Now you know...the rest of the story.


But I still don't know....how how how how.
 
2013-04-11 04:16:17 PM  
FTA -- "It was Ty, says Herschel Cobb, who said "muskles" instead of "muscles" to make the grandkids laugh, and who always had ice cream in the freezer, and who put his mammoth fist down when slid spikes first into her face when Herschel's alcoholic mother informed her 13-year-old son that she was tired of him and he needed to find another place to live."

FTFY
 
2013-04-11 04:19:26 PM  
Ty Cobb: Not a complete asshole by comparison to some. That ought to look good on the plaque.
 
2013-04-11 04:39:14 PM  

Decillion: Cyberluddite: Ty Cobb died when I was a toddler, but he lived the last few years of his life in the general area where I grew up (he had a house at Lake Tahoe).  He apparently did not keep himself hidden away, but was out and about--going to casinos and trying to bang showgirls and young blackjack dealers despite being 70 years old, etc.  So he got to be pretty well known in the area.  And for years after that, throughout my childhood, those in the area who knew him then would talk about their dealings with him, and pretty much the only thing that would come across from those stories was what an unpleasant old prick he was.  I don't think I ever heard anybody who knew him say a single good thing about him.

Helluva ballplayer, though.  One of the top 5 of all time, probably.

Being a prick is a good asset in sports. Jordan, Pete Rose, Tiger, etc.


Rose named his son Ty.
 
2013-04-11 04:48:12 PM  
Hard headed
 
2013-04-11 05:00:01 PM  

gameshowhost: Corm Cobb?


i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-04-11 05:08:02 PM  
Ty Cobb was a violent asshole. He was born in Georgia in 1886, so you can understand and forgive (to an extent) him being racist, but he was even more racist than his average peer. If he spent his entire life as a farmer or lawyer in rural Georgia it wouldn't be so strange, but he traveled and worked throughout the North for 20 years while he was based in Detroit. And his racist views never changed or improved. He deserves the reputation he has.

That said, he was a human being and was capable of showing things such as love and kindness, and I'm sure he did with family and friends and such at times throughout his life. I am glad his grandsons has happy memories of his grandfather. Cobb also gave quite a bit to charity I believe, and he paid for a hospital in his hometown of Royston.

http://www.tycobbhealthcare.com/

He also started an education fund for poor kids in Georgia.

http://www.tycobbfoundation.com/


So, asshole violent racist? Absolutely. Did kind and charitable things in his life? Absolutely. Humans are complex folks, yo.
 
2013-04-11 06:24:18 PM  
The Downfall: but he traveled and worked throughout the North for 20 years while he was based in Detroit. And his racist views never changed or improved. He deserves the reputation he has.

I'm failing to see how his racist views would have been changed by being up North. Pretty sure the entire country was pretty racist at the time.
 
2013-04-11 07:20:45 PM  

Cheeseface: The Downfall: but he traveled and worked throughout the North for 20 years while he was based in Detroit. And his racist views never changed or improved. He deserves the reputation he has.

I'm failing to see how his racist views would have been changed by being up North. Pretty sure the entire country was pretty racist at the time.


Considering there were towns in America at that time with signs at the city limits that said "No Papists, Kikes, or Blackamoors Allowed" *well* north of the Mason-Dixon Line, and even in cities such as Chicago, New York, and Detroit the "darkies" were expected to "know their place and stick to their own kind", Ty Cobb was no different than a majority of white folk in his era... which means they were only *slightly* less blatantly racist than Ty Cobb and most people in the South.
 
2013-04-11 07:34:39 PM  
Ty Cobb is a prick,But he sure can hit.- Babe Ruth
 
2013-04-11 08:48:51 PM  
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'We told him to stick it...heheheheheee.'
 
2013-04-11 08:56:53 PM  

Cyberluddite: Ty Cobb died when I was a toddler, but he lived the last few years of his life in the general area where I grew up (he had a house at Lake Tahoe).  He apparently did not keep himself hidden away, but was out and about--going to casinos and trying to bang showgirls and young blackjack dealers despite being 70 years old, etc.  So he got to be pretty well known in the area.  And for years after that, throughout my childhood, those in the area who knew him then would talk about their dealings with him, and pretty much the only thing that would come across from those stories was what an unpleasant old prick he was.  I don't think I ever heard anybody who knew him say a single good thing about him.

Helluva ballplayer, though.  One of the top 5 of all time, probably.


I suspect Cobb saw his grandkids beat all to hell one day, and had an epiphany.

He realized he'd raised his son to be an asshole just like him.  From what little I've read of Cobb's parents, neither one was particularly warm to him, and they didn't like his infatuation with baseball.  Add to that the fact his mom was 12 when she married, his dad was a strict disciplinarian, and this was late 19th century rural Georgia.  You've got a pretty good set of circumstances for an abusive and unhappy childhood.

Perhaps Cobb realized he'd been an asshole all his life, and all it got him was a terrible human being of an offspring.  And now his grandson was trapped with an abusive father and alcoholic mother.  I'm also sure that the news of the kid being shot with the BB gun triggered memories of his getting stitched up after he accidentally shot himself with a rifle one summer as a kid (he shot himself with a .22 that he leaned against a tree).  With all that swimming in his head, just maybe Tyrus realized that he might have one last chance at leaving a legacy other than World-Class Asshole.  He'd failed with his son, why not try at least to not be an asshole to his grandson?

And he likely was never able to completely undo years of poor attitude.  Some of that may have been genetic, his loss in the hereditary lottery.  Hence why he was seen by the locals as a grumpy old man, yet might still have been a kind old man to young Herschel.

History is full of interesting and fascinating characters.
 
2013-04-11 09:01:07 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Cyberluddite: Ty Cobb died when I was a toddler, but he lived the last few years of his life in the general area where I grew up (he had a house at Lake Tahoe).  He apparently did not keep himself hidden away, but was out and about--going to casinos and trying to bang showgirls and young blackjack dealers despite being 70 years old, etc.  So he got to be pretty well known in the area.  And for years after that, throughout my childhood, those in the area who knew him then would talk about their dealings with him, and pretty much the only thing that would come across from those stories was what an unpleasant old prick he was.  I don't think I ever heard anybody who knew him say a single good thing about him.

Helluva ballplayer, though.  One of the top 5 of all time, probably.

I suspect Cobb saw his grandkids beat all to hell one day, and had an epiphany.

He realized he'd raised his son to be an asshole just like him.  From what little I've read of Cobb's parents, neither one was particularly warm to him, and they didn't like his infatuation with baseball.  Add to that the fact his mom was 12 when she married, his dad was a strict disciplinarian, and this was late 19th century rural Georgia.  You've got a pretty good set of circumstances for an abusive and unhappy childhood.

Perhaps Cobb realized he'd been an asshole all his life, and all it got him was a terrible human being of an offspring.  And now his grandson was trapped with an abusive father and alcoholic mother.  I'm also sure that the news of the kid being shot with the BB gun triggered memories of his getting stitched up after he accidentally shot himself with a rifle one summer as a kid (he shot himself with a .22 that he leaned against a tree).  With all that swimming in his head, just maybe Tyrus realized that he might have one last chance at leaving a legacy other than World-Class Asshole.  He'd failed with his son, why not try at least to not be an asshole to his grandson?

And he likely was never ab ...


Regarding the gun thing, don't forget that Ty's father was killed when Ty's mother basically blew his head off with a shotgun. Mr. Cobb thought Mrs. Cobb was cheating on him so he climbed up to catch her in the act. She thought he was a thief breaking in and acted on it.
 
2013-04-11 09:06:08 PM  

The Downfall: Ty Cobb was a violent asshole. He was born in Georgia in 1886, so you can understand and forgive (to an extent) him being racist, but he was even more racist than his average peer. If he spent his entire life as a farmer or lawyer in rural Georgia it wouldn't be so strange, but he traveled and worked throughout the North for 20 years while he was based in Detroit. And his racist views never changed or improved. He deserves the reputation he has.

That said, he was a human being and was capable of showing things such as love and kindness, and I'm sure he did with family and friends and such at times throughout his life. I am glad his grandsons has happy memories of his grandfather. Cobb also gave quite a bit to charity I believe, and he paid for a hospital in his hometown of Royston.

http://www.tycobbhealthcare.com/

He also started an education fund for poor kids in Georgia.

http://www.tycobbfoundation.com/


So, asshole violent racist? Absolutely. Did kind and charitable things in his life? Absolutely. Humans are complex folks, yo.


As of 1998 his estate has provided more college scholarships to kids in the state of Georgia than other single donor.  For being such a turd of an individual his charities have done more good for humanity than probably all of us on this forum combined.  It doesn't excuse his actions or make him a good person but just another interesting layer that the guy had to him.

/My wife received one of his scholarships to the University of Georgia
//My wife is Hispanic
 
2013-04-11 09:18:54 PM  

The Downfall: Regarding the gun thing, don't forget that Ty's father was killed when Ty's mother basically blew his head off with a shotgun. Mr. Cobb thought Mrs. Cobb was cheating on him so he climbed up to catch her in the act. She thought he was a thief breaking in and acted on it.


Or possibly, she was cheating on him and he caught her, so she shot him. Either way, Ty never spoke to his mother again.
 
2013-04-11 09:29:32 PM  

The Downfall: UNC_Samurai: Cyberluddite: Ty Cobb died when I was a toddler, but he lived the last few years of his life in the general area where I grew up (he had a house at Lake Tahoe).  He apparently did not keep himself hidden away, but was out and about--going to casinos and trying to bang showgirls and young blackjack dealers despite being 70 years old, etc.  So he got to be pretty well known in the area.  And for years after that, throughout my childhood, those in the area who knew him then would talk about their dealings with him, and pretty much the only thing that would come across from those stories was what an unpleasant old prick he was.  I don't think I ever heard anybody who knew him say a single good thing about him.

Helluva ballplayer, though.  One of the top 5 of all time, probably.

I suspect Cobb saw his grandkids beat all to hell one day, and had an epiphany.

He realized he'd raised his son to be an asshole just like him.  From what little I've read of Cobb's parents, neither one was particularly warm to him, and they didn't like his infatuation with baseball.  Add to that the fact his mom was 12 when she married, his dad was a strict disciplinarian, and this was late 19th century rural Georgia.  You've got a pretty good set of circumstances for an abusive and unhappy childhood.

Perhaps Cobb realized he'd been an asshole all his life, and all it got him was a terrible human being of an offspring.  And now his grandson was trapped with an abusive father and alcoholic mother.  I'm also sure that the news of the kid being shot with the BB gun triggered memories of his getting stitched up after he accidentally shot himself with a rifle one summer as a kid (he shot himself with a .22 that he leaned against a tree).  With all that swimming in his head, just maybe Tyrus realized that he might have one last chance at leaving a legacy other than World-Class Asshole.  He'd failed with his son, why not try at least to not be an asshole to his grandson?

And he likely ...


He did attribute his aggressive play style to his desire to succeed and the fact that his father never got to see him succeed.  But I don't know if the murder was that traumatic to him; by that time he was a 19-year-old already playing for the Tigers.
 
2013-04-11 09:53:46 PM  
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2013-04-11 09:54:31 PM  

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RIP ROGERS HORNSBY
 
2013-04-11 10:21:19 PM  

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The Downfall: What_Would_Jimi_Do: [www.trollquotes.org image 450x450]

RIP ROGERS HORNSBY


Sorry guys..Thats what Mickey Mantle said  after getting a beej under
the grandstand at Yankee Stadium.
 
2013-04-11 10:27:36 PM  
 
2013-04-11 10:59:30 PM  

The Downfall: What_Would_Jimi_Do: [www.trollquotes.org image 450x450]

RIP ROGERS HORNSBY


www.birdsofwinter.com


That's just the way it is. Some things'll never change. That's just the way it is'. Ha, but don't you believe them
 
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