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2013-04-11 01:19:14 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Godscrack: They profile. Why can't we?

If it's wrong when they do it, how is it any righter when you do? In both cases they say it's "because safety". Now the real question is, if your house is broken into or a family member is assaulted, who ya gonna call?

// I've had mostly good luck with cops, but I recognize that it's largely luck


Ghostbusters would be a better bet.

I'm white, middle class family, never had a positive experience with a cop, was mugged in FRONT of 2 cops (back in the 80's, when I was 15) also live in Canada
Seen a bunch of situations get out of control because of the cops(and I'm not just talking about protests here) just your basic beef in a bar type stuff went from angry to violence to peoples lives being ruined because of cops.

ACAB
 
2013-04-11 01:23:04 PM  
In the video below, Reinhold tells his friend that they are trained by the police department to suspect that cell phones can be converted into guns.

imageshack.us
 
2013-04-11 01:23:53 PM  

inner ted: moved into my new (to me) house

trailerin the burbs & on the very first night the cops block off the neighborhoodwhole park in response to a drunk guy.
granted, i don't know what dude did or said, but the response of no less than 15 cops with those long rifles with the scary black bits seemed a bit much.

you could almost taste the disappointment in their faces as they packed up all their artillery without a shot fired 10 minutes later  & a drunk and loud man stood cuffed in the front lawn.  he didn't have a shirt on.

/did not feel safer


FTFY
 
2013-04-11 01:29:54 PM  
I am 49 years old and I was beat by a cop when I was 14, it was not very pretty and I was made to look like the bad person. All I said to the cop was " Hey man the fores over ther your going the wrong way". Before I knew it he was out of the car and had me in a choke hold and told me to never speak to him that way, After a couple of good jabs to the ribs he let me limp home.
 
2013-04-11 01:30:15 PM  

Begoggle: Marcus Aurelius: Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.

You've got it backwards.  The cops hate us.  Especially when we go around smashing our faces into their fists for no particular reason.

Cop fear thread is more like it.

Funny how that's never happened to me or anyone I know.
It only seems to happen here on Fark.


Says the white conformist.

You know, of course, that it's NEVER illegal or dangerous to conform. But be a different race from the majority, or a different philosophy, or religion, or hobby- see how that works out.
 
2013-04-11 01:32:52 PM  

H31N0US: The cop was within his rights to ask not to be filmed


Wrong.  A police officer performing his normal duties has no expectation of privacy.  The courts have been very consistent in this.
 
2013-04-11 01:33:13 PM  
Move along citizen, nothing to see here.  I said move along before I put this d@mn night stick up your @ss.
 
2013-04-11 01:36:24 PM  

AAlumni: Douche: dude smoking in an area posted as 'no smoking'


We don't know if it was posted.  Nothing in the article as as much.  Some cities have passed laws against smoking publicly, but they don't make it obvious with signs everywhere, so a visitor could easily be in violation without realizing it.
 
2013-04-11 01:38:08 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Now the real question is, if your house is broken into or a family member is assaulted, who ya gonna call?


Where I live, we would call 911 and ask for them to send someone to pick up the body after the shooting stops. If you 'call the cops' when someone breaks in, it will be a good 30 minutes before they arrive. By then, it's all over one way or another. Sadly, this isn't just an assumption - been there, done that.
 
2013-04-11 01:40:33 PM  
This cop fails on so many levels.
 
2013-04-11 01:42:40 PM  

Begoggle: Marcus Aurelius: Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.

You've got it backwards.  The cops hate us.  Especially when we go around smashing our faces into their fists for no particular reason.

Cop fear thread is more like it.

Funny how that's never happened to me or anyone I know.
It only seems to happen here on Fark.


It's good to be white and wealthy, isn't it?

But even then I'd think twice about filming a Philly cop.  You KNOW they'll beat your ass for it.
 
2013-04-11 01:48:10 PM  

Sweaty Dynamite: inner ted: moved into my new (to me) housetrailerin the burbs & on the very first night the cops block off the neighborhoodwhole park in response to a drunk guy.
granted, i don't know what dude did or said, but the response of no less than 15 cops with those long rifles with the scary black bits seemed a bit much.

you could almost taste the disappointment in their faces as they packed up all their artillery without a shot fired 10 minutes later  & a drunk and loud man stood cuffed in the front lawn.  he didn't have a shirt on.

/did not feel safer

FTFY


lol
umad
 
2013-04-11 01:53:36 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Is there any sane person that still believes the police are your friends?


Nope.
 
2013-04-11 01:59:23 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: NutWrench: H31N0US: The cop was within his rights to ask not to be filmed

No he wasn't. He was in a public place and had no expectation of privacy.
Just like the rest of us.

No, he has every right to ask. Anybody can ask anything. Now, having (or not having) the right for the other person to comply with that is another matter entirely.


Once you have the "put it away" order recorded, your payday is assured.  Put it away and call your lawyer.

Cops have found cell phone guns.  Apple should be patenting this idea any time now.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/cellgun.asp
 
2013-04-11 01:59:29 PM  

kgloverfl: This really surprises people that ANOTHER cop abused his authoritative power? We should ban assault cops and limit current cops to 10 donuts. That'll fix everything.

/when donuts are outlawed, only outlaws will have them


Who here is surprised? No one is surprised, you may be surprised to learn.
 
2013-04-11 02:01:37 PM  
Can this ever happen to somebody who isn't a complete tool? You know, so I might have some sympathy for them.

Cops: Don't be dicks.
People: Don't be a dick to cops - you'll ALWAYS lose that argument.
 
2013-04-11 02:02:42 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Crewmannumber6: You can't say that they're not doing everything possible to warrant it either.

Especially when a couple courts and the farking DoJ have said you can't do what they did in this case.


Do you have a citation? I'm not snarking, just looking for info. I haven't fully searched upthread so I might have missed it like a jackass. In Illinois they have a fascinating end run around this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_wiretapping_law

The whole idea of a phone conversation would be it's private comms between the parties on either end of the conversation talking. Exactly how that is remotely farking applicable to someone standing in the middle of the street in broad daylight makes the head spin. By that logic I should be able to f*ck a woman right there in the middle of the street because somehow there is a magical right to privacy. If I were a cop, could I do that in Illinois? I'm so confused. Please help me. The statue also applies to people having a conversation. How in the goddamned Jesus rose again motherfarking christ with a hockey stick and dildopants is there ANY EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY WHEN THE CONVERSATION TAKES PLACE IN farkING PUBLIC? Are you also expecting people to go Men In Black and wipe their own memories if they witness a conversation where a cop shouts NUBIAN NUBIAN NUBIAN at someone because that conversation is somehow protected? It's ass backwards as fark. Jumped up xenu on an HIV positive popsicle stick, I hate Illinois.

I have no idea where this language is coming from.
 
2013-04-11 02:08:11 PM  

Tio_Holtzmann: WhyteRaven74: Crewmannumber6: You can't say that they're not doing everything possible to warrant it either.

Especially when a couple courts and the farking DoJ have said you can't do what they did in this case.

Do you have a citation? I'm not snarking, just looking for info. I haven't fully searched upthread so I might have missed it like a jackass. In Illinois they have a fascinating end run around this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_wiretapping_law

The whole idea of a phone conversation would be it's private comms between the parties on either end of the conversation talking. Exactly how that is remotely farking applicable to someone standing in the middle of the street in broad daylight makes the head spin. By that logic I should be able to f*ck a woman right there in the middle of the street because somehow there is a magical right to privacy. If I were a cop, could I do that in Illinois? I'm so confused. Please help me. The statue also applies to people having a conversation. How in the goddamned Jesus rose again motherfarking christ with a hockey stick and dildopants is there ANY EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY WHEN THE CONVERSATION TAKES PLACE IN farkING PUBLIC? Are you also expecting people to go Men In Black and wipe their own memories if they witness a conversation where a cop shouts NUBIAN NUBIAN NUBIAN at someone because that conversation is somehow protected? It's ass backwards as fark. Jumped up xenu on an HIV positive popsicle stick, I hate Illinois.

I have no idea where this language is coming from.


7th district court already overturned that law and SCOTUS let that decision stand. If you're in public you have no right to privacy
 
2013-04-11 02:08:44 PM  
Macguyver to come out of retirement while being tied up in an abandoned cabin on top of a mountain top while trapped by goats armed with machetes.

Lord knows what his cell phone will do to them when he's finished
 
2013-04-11 02:12:01 PM  
I just came here to mention that the fact that he can't smoke outside on the boardwalk is absolutely ridiculous.  I can understand not wanting butts near the beach, but if this is the problem then make it a ridiculous fine for littering a cig butt.  If you are such a flaming pussy that outdoor second-hand smoke is too much for you then just wrap your windows in saran wrap and stay indoors please.  I promise there's worse stuff floating around in the air, and virtually everything these days is carcinogenic.  A few smoke particles on the beach breeze isn't going to hurt you.

I don't even smoke btw.
 
2013-04-11 02:18:46 PM  

NutWrench: Some of those phones have pointy bits.
That makes it an "Assault Phone."


It was a Samsung and we know they copied their rounded corners from Apple so it couldn't be an assault phone. Was it a high-capacity battery?
 
2013-04-11 02:23:07 PM  

Tio_Holtzmann: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_wiretapping_law


what redmid said.
 
2013-04-11 02:36:28 PM  

OgreMagi: AAlumni: Douche: dude smoking in an area posted as 'no smoking'

We don't know if it was posted.  Nothing in the article as as much.  Some cities have passed laws against smoking publicly, but they don't make it obvious with signs everywhere, so a visitor could easily be in violation without realizing it.


You can't smoke at the beach here because generations of assholes had a bad habit of leaving their butts in the sand.  We banned cigarettes on the beach years and years before booze.

I think the beatdown happened on the beach boardwalk.

(the dude's lucky the cops didn't straight shoot him.  The cops here have been known to perforate homeless dudes for "being threatening".  pigs.)
 
2013-04-11 02:43:31 PM  

OgreMagi: AAlumni: Douche: dude smoking in an area posted as 'no smoking'

We don't know if it was posted.  Nothing in the article as as much.  Some cities have passed laws against smoking publicly, but they don't make it obvious with signs everywhere, so a visitor could easily be in violation without realizing it.


_________________________

I have been there, Used to live in San Diego. There are signs. Now, are there enough signs? That may be up for debate. But there are signs. Or were when I was there.


/premium cigar smoker
//likes one after dinner
 
2013-04-11 02:47:18 PM  

Bonzo_1116: You can't smoke at the beach here because generations of assholes had a bad habit of leaving their butts in the sand. We banned cigarettes on the beach years and years before booze.


Ugh. People who think it's fine to leave their butts in sand just because it's the same stuff that's inside the big metal ashtrays are right up there with serial killers and patent trolls on the list of People Who Suck. So if he was simply smoking and ashing into a soda can or something, then a "put it out" warning would probably been sufficient. If, however, he was being a prick with his ashes and butts, fark him. He deserved a beat down.

/not for the recording thing. That's legal
//hee hee, I said prick, ashes, butts, and fark in the same sentence
 
2013-04-11 03:01:45 PM  

namegoeshere: Bonzo_1116: You can't smoke at the beach here because generations of assholes had a bad habit of leaving their butts in the sand. We banned cigarettes on the beach years and years before booze.

Ugh. People who think it's fine to leave their butts in sand just because it's the same stuff that's inside the big metal ashtrays are right up there with serial killers and patent trolls on the list of People Who Suck. So if he was simply smoking and ashing into a soda can or something, then a "put it out" warning would probably been sufficient. If, however, he was being a prick with his ashes and butts, fark him. He deserved a beat down.

/not for the recording thing. That's legal
//hee hee, I said prick, ashes, butts, and fark in the same sentence



Same for inconsiderate smoking asshats who toss butts out the car window. That is THE SAME as tossing out a burger wrapper or empty soda can. It is trash. In fact, it is worse. It is smoldering trash that could cause a fire.

/Used to won a house on a busy road
 
2013-04-11 03:22:29 PM  

Godscrack: Dr Dreidel: You know who REALLY hates authority-abusing cops? Non-authority-abusing cops. A single incident like this makes it that much harder for real cops, good cops to do their jobs.

Cops treat people the same way. You have one black guy steal a slice of pizza, they treat every black person as dangerous thieving criminals.

You have one Hispanic man caught with a joint, they treat all Hispanics as dangerous drug users and possible cartel kingpins.

They profile. Why can't we?


That's the stupidest thing I've ever read.
 
2013-04-11 03:24:59 PM  
His cell-phone could be "converted into a weapon"?

I am curious to see how that is accomplished.
 
2013-04-11 03:32:35 PM  
Here we go. A cell phone that can be converted into a weapon.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-11 03:37:42 PM  
If the police aren't doing anything wrong, then they shouldn't have a problem being recorded.
 
2013-04-11 03:42:44 PM  

Crewmannumber6: If the police aren't doing anything wrong, then they shouldn't have a problem being recorded.


That's not a valid argument.  They can have a problem with it, they can ask the guy to stop recording them.  They should not violate his rights if he fails to comply.  More tax money wasted because some asshole cop went on a power trip.  I wonder how much this latest lottery winner is going to get.  Anyone who calls for reducing government waste should be at the front of the line clamoring for these types of cops to get canned.
 
2013-04-11 03:45:08 PM  

timujin: Crewmannumber6: If the police aren't doing anything wrong, then they shouldn't have a problem being recorded.

That's not a valid argument.  They can have a problem with it, they can ask the guy to stop recording them.  They should not violate his rights if he fails to comply.  More tax money wasted because some asshole cop went on a power trip.  I wonder how much this latest lottery winner is going to get.  Anyone who calls for reducing government waste should be at the front of the line clamoring for these types of cops to get canned.


If a cop pulls me over, do I have the right to tell him to turn off his dashboard camera and erase any video recording that has my image on it?
 
2013-04-11 03:49:14 PM  

timujin: Anyone who calls for reducing government waste should be at the front of the line clamoring for these types of cops to get canned.


Not necessarily canned, but they should have to pay the award (or some percentage). The state still farked up by either not screening well enough or not training well enough.
 
2013-04-11 03:53:29 PM  
www.shadowlocked.com
Don't you look at me, you f*ck!
 
2013-04-11 04:19:15 PM  

timujin: Crewmannumber6: If the police aren't doing anything wrong, then they shouldn't have a problem being recorded.

That's not a valid argument.  They can have a problem with it, they can ask the guy to stop recording them.  They should not violate his rights if he fails to comply.  More tax money wasted because some asshole cop went on a power trip.  I wonder how much this latest lottery winner is going to get.  Anyone who calls for reducing government waste should be at the front of the line clamoring for these types of cops to get canned.


It's a good enough argument when they want to look in your trunk without a warrant
 
2013-04-11 04:26:20 PM  
I just came in to say, no matter how much a dickhole you are, the cops don't get a free pass on beating your ass for using a video camera. That cop should have his badge stripped, and his livelihood stripped, and should have to watch his family be beaten by his fellow cops.

50,000 cops on unemployment, with their families starving? A good start. Aren't there mcjobs without power and privilege for these farking idiots? Can't we send some of these jackoffs where they can get shot honorably, instead of terrorizing citizens?
 
2013-04-11 05:00:25 PM  
 
2013-04-11 06:00:39 PM  
According to the updates, the officers are told in training that a cell phone can be used as a gun...

Seriously, that's what the update says. OMFG

People make jokes about Well's 1984, but he should have called it more appropriately 9/11. Folks you live in a dystopia.
 
2013-04-11 06:09:24 PM  
Why is it that the public are more and more being forced into a transparent existence, while the government and law, go into more secrecy?
 
2013-04-11 06:19:59 PM  

pippi longstocking: According to the updates, the officers are told in training that a cell phone can be used as a gun...

Seriously, that's what the update says. OMFG

People make jokes about Well's 1984, but he should have called it more appropriately 9/11. Folks you live in a dystopia.


I wonder how often a cellphone gun has actually been used... probably no where near often enough to warrant cop paranoia.
 
2013-04-11 06:51:33 PM  
The thing about the cellphone guns (at least all the ones I've read about, including in that Snopes link) is that they don't function as a phone. They have a blank painted on screen, like the fake electronics you get in furniture stores. So if he can record with it enough to piss you off, it can't be a cellphone gun/stungun..
 
2013-04-11 07:05:43 PM  
There are pen (or zip) guns and phone guns and a ball cap with a copper weight in the back to hit people with.

If he is trying to arrest a murderer, sure. Heck, if this guy was getting arrested at all, I would understand instructing him to drop what was in his hands and put his hands behind his back.

The fact is, this guy was getting a TICKET from a bike cop for smoking  a cigarette. The absurdity of it all was being filmed and Officer I.M. Bikepopo decided that he didn't want the successful people he went to school with to see a video of him carrying out his life's work -  hassleing a cigarette smoker on a beach boardwalk - especially since he probably  told them that he was SWAT or CIA or whatever at the 10-year renunion.

/If I remember correctly, the lifeguards in SD could write you a ticket, too, for smoking
 
2013-04-11 07:40:34 PM  

inner ted: moved into my new (to me) house in the burbs & on the very first night the cops block off the neighborhood in response to a drunk guy.
granted, i don't know what dude did or said, but the response of no less than 15 cops with those long rifles with the scary black bits seemed a bit much.

you could almost taste the disappointment in their faces as they packed up all their artillery without a shot fired 10 minutes later  & a drunk and loud man stood cuffed in the front lawn.  he didn't have a shirt on.

/did not feel safer


The cops in Portland have a reputation on par with Oakland cops.

Most of 'em reside in the far more conservative city of Vancouver and have a serious hate for the people of Portland.   We're not "people" to them.  Just hipsters, hippies, and the homeless.
 
2013-04-11 07:52:42 PM  

ChipNASA: Well...they *could* have had a point....

[www.geeky-gadgets.com image 500x577]

/and not just the ones on top of their heads.
//they were still *WRONG*


Oh good God... leaving partials on the cartridges?

Freakin' amateur. Probably bought them at Walmart, too.
 
2013-04-11 07:57:16 PM  

ExpressPork: I just came here to mention that the fact that he can't smoke outside on the boardwalk is absolutely ridiculous.  I can understand not wanting butts near the beach, but if this is the problem then make it a ridiculous fine for littering a cig butt.  If you are such a flaming pussy that outdoor second-hand smoke is too much for you then just wrap your windows in saran wrap and stay indoors please.  I promise there's worse stuff floating around in the air, and virtually everything these days is carcinogenic.  A few smoke particles on the beach breeze isn't going to hurt you.

I don't even smoke btw.


Problem is, you have to stand there and watch a smoke until they litter to fine them.
I've yet to meet a smoker that didn't litter when a butt disposal station was more than 10 feet away when they finished smoking. "I stomped it out, what more do you want?"
The only butts on the beach should be in swimsuits.
 
2013-04-11 08:26:01 PM  
If I pu mine in a pocket do I need a concealed carry permit?
 
2013-04-11 09:56:49 PM  

Begoggle: Funny how that's never happened to me or anyone I know.
It only seems to happen here on Fark.


I'm a reasonable guy, more than reasonable. I've seen it begin to start in my direction once, I was lucky enough to defuse the situation. I asked a cop where I might find a public restroom (New Orleans, Mardi Gras weekend, I hadn't yet had a drink).He told me to pee in the bushes. Then he ordered me to pee in the bushes. He was on the brink of making my life miserable. You sort of had to be there, it was weird and scary, the guy was pissed off in a way I've seen only a few times.

I walked away.
 
2013-04-11 10:40:12 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: ChipNASA: In the video below, Reinhold tells his friend that they are trained by the police department to suspect that cell phones can be converted into guns.

LOL, now the lawyer gets to ask for the training documents covering this.


More to the point, the cop asks the guy to stop recording. It would seem that he doesn't think it's a weapon by the nature of his statement. Did he say "look a cell phone gun!" no.

This is, of course, likely the latest in FOP's little recommendations on how to stop police from being recorded. "If they don't stop, pretend you think it's a gun and beat them down!"
 
2013-04-12 12:15:58 AM  
shiat like this is why Dorner started shooting cops. I know it makes me want to a bit.
 
2013-04-12 12:54:24 AM  

penthesilea: The cops in Portland have a reputation on par with Oakland cops.

Most of 'em reside in the far more conservative city of Vancouver and have a serious hate for the people of Portland. We're not "people" to them. Just hipsters, hippies, and the homeless.


That's a hell of a commute.
 
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