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2013-04-11 12:10:42 PM  
i-Transformers? Cool...
 
2013-04-11 12:11:02 PM  
Is there any sane person that still believes the police are your friends?
 
2013-04-11 12:11:10 PM  
Well I'm sure he'll feel a *LOT* better when we received that check from San Diego County.

/F*uck the cops. F*uck them right in their f*uckholes.
 
2013-04-11 12:11:58 PM  
Some of those phones have pointy bits.
That makes it an "Assault Phone."
 
2013-04-11 12:12:21 PM  
The list grows...

- Fear
- Surprise
- Ruthless efficiency
- Almost fanatical devotion to the Pope
- Nice red uniforms
- Cell phones
 
2013-04-11 12:12:54 PM  
My hands can be converted into weapons. Perhaps you should remove them, officer.
 
2013-04-11 12:13:59 PM  

NutWrench: Some of those phones have pointy bits.
That makes it an "Assault Phone."


It might have a picture of a gun on it. Or a picture of a poptart bitten into a gun shape. Very dangerous. You can't be too careful.
 
2013-04-11 12:14:37 PM  
private-person.com
Move along citizen. It's not brutality if it's the government's fist in your face.
 
2013-04-11 12:14:46 PM  
Always start any interaction with police as follows.."By the way, I have a highly infectious form of HIV".

Where is this San Diego place where you cannot smoke on sidewalks??

Barbaric!
 
2013-04-11 12:14:54 PM  
I can't believe I'm writing this, but my outrage subsided completely once I read the story.Why would you want to film a cop giving you a ticket for smoking? So you can be a self absorbed douchebag and post the video to your FB page?

The cop was within his rights to ask not to be filmed, and the douchebag should have complied. He deserved a beatdown.
 
2013-04-11 12:14:55 PM  
Wahh Wahh...I'm a little know-it-all about my rights and I'm going to pretend that I'm smarter than the police.  Douche should have been beaten before, during and after his arrest.
 
2013-04-11 12:16:14 PM  
My phone has an edge on it where I can affix a large knife with duct tape!
 
2013-04-11 12:16:27 PM  
1. Cops have become total asshats since the patriot act gave them basically military authority.2. Cell phone guns do exist3. Loud noises
 
2013-04-11 12:17:10 PM  

H31N0US: The cop was within his rights to ask not to be filmed


No he wasn't. He was in a public place and had no expectation of privacy.
Just like the rest of us.
 
2013-04-11 12:17:24 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: The list grows...

- Fear
- Surprise
- Ruthless efficiency
- Almost fanatical devotion to the Pope
- Nice red uniforms
- Cell phones


I propose a new law where everything is classified as a weapon. The law would have two stipulations.
1) Everyone must be naked
2) Only attractive people can leave their house

This will also solve just about every other problem that we have and lower almost every crime stat to 0.
 
2013-04-11 12:17:26 PM  
From PINAC webpage:
UPDATE:Pringle's friend continued video recording after he was led away and the cop, whose name is M. Reinhold, didn't have a problem with that.
In the video below, Reinhold tells his friend that they are trained by the police department to suspect that cell phones can be converted into guns.
He also said that "officer safety" trumps the Constitution, meaning they can claim they are fear for their lives while they throw you in jail for any lame excuse.
Such bullshiat but that's the arrogance of these police officers.

UPDATE II: Mickey Osterreicher, general counsel of the National Press Photographers Association, sent the following email to the mayor:

Dear Mayor,

As the general counsel for the National Press Photographers Association (NPPA) I have been in contact with you police department in an ongoing attempt to help improve police relations and avoid the type of incident that occurred yesterday. See: http://www.photographyisnotacrime.com/2013/04/09/san-diego-police-atta ck-and-arrest-man-video-recording-them-claiming-phone-could-be-a-weapo n/

I spoke at the annual meeting of the IACP held in your city last September regarding the First Amendment rights of the press and public to photograph and record. Apparently more is needed. As I have done training with other police departments around the country I renew my offer to help yours.

Please feel free to contact me.

Thank you for your attention in this matter.

Very truly yours,

Mickey H. Osterreicher

General Counsel

National Press Photographers Association (NPPA)

MAYBE that will get their attention because this has gone National.
 
2013-04-11 12:17:27 PM  

H31N0US: The cop was within his rights to ask not to be filmed


Public employee performing a public function in a public place. You're 0 for 3.

/public
 
2013-04-11 12:17:31 PM  
blogs.nysut.org
These citizens are ARMED and DANGEROUS... with their cell phones and placards!
 
2013-04-11 12:17:38 PM  

shifty lookin bleeder: My hands can be converted into weapons. Perhaps you should remove them, officer.


I just put mine away wherever cops are around.  Down the front of my PANTS!

/no, not really
//might be a little punchy from lack of sleep
 
2013-04-11 12:19:45 PM  
 
2013-04-11 12:19:49 PM  
They're bike cops, I'd be pissed off all the time too if I was a bike cop.
 
2013-04-11 12:20:58 PM  
That's a weapons-grade cell phone right there brah.
 
2013-04-11 12:21:19 PM  

chrisco123: Wahh Wahh...I'm a little know-it-all about my rights and I'm going to pretend that I'm smarter than the police. Douche should have been beaten before, during and after his arrest.


Well, he did know about his rights, he is smarter than the cops, and he's going to get a nice fat check to prove it.

Also, in the linked article, there's this gem:
Pringle's friend continued video recording after he was led away and the cop, whose name is M. Reinhold, didn't have a problem with that.
In the video below, Reinhold tells his friend that they are trained by the police department to suspect that cell phones can be converted into guns.


Now, I know there are a lot of firearm aficionados on Fark, do y'all see a lot of working cell phones that have been "converted into guns"?
 
2013-04-11 12:21:24 PM  
Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.
 
2013-04-11 12:22:29 PM  
Did the phone have a pistol grip?

// actually, how easy would it be to arrest someone when 200 people start throwing cell phones at you?
// "at least they weren't lit..."
 
2013-04-11 12:22:43 PM  

NutWrench: H31N0US: The cop was within his rights to ask not to be filmed

No he wasn't. He was in a public place and had no expectation of privacy.
Just like the rest of us.


No, he has every right to ask. Anybody can ask anything. Now, having (or not having) the right for the other person to comply with that is another matter entirely.
 
2013-04-11 12:22:49 PM  
Cell phones into guns?  So will the police suspect that my old VHS videocamera may be a bazooka?
 
2013-04-11 12:23:21 PM  

ChipNASA: In the video below, Reinhold tells his friend that they are trained by the police department to suspect that cell phones can be converted into guns.


LOL, now the lawyer gets to ask for the training documents covering this.
 
2013-04-11 12:23:25 PM  
Further proof that smoking is bad for your health.

Also, cell phones.
 
2013-04-11 12:23:50 PM  

Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.


You're right. We should have them hourly.
 
2013-04-11 12:24:04 PM  

Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.


Perhaps if cops weren't attacking citizens for no reason, they would be less hated.  Something about "serve and protect" comes to mind.
 
2013-04-11 12:24:23 PM  
Just another day... Bad Cop, No Donut!
 
2013-04-11 12:24:29 PM  
This really surprises people that ANOTHER cop abused his authoritative power? We should ban assault cops and limit current cops to 10 donuts. That'll fix everything.

/when donuts are outlawed, only outlaws will have them
 
2013-04-11 12:24:35 PM  

H31N0US: I can't believe I'm writing this, but my outrage subsided completely once I read the story.Why would you want to film a cop giving you a ticket for smoking? So you can be a self absorbed douchebag and post the video to your FB page?

The cop was within his rights to ask not to be filmed, and the douchebag should have complied. He deserved a beatdown.


Just out of curiosity, does the color of the boot affect its flavor?
 
2013-04-11 12:25:23 PM  
Douche: dude smoking in an area posted as 'no smoking'

Douche: cop going straight to a ticket for smoking as opposed to a 'put that out' and a warning

Douche: dude pulling out a camera and refusing to put it away when asked

Douche: cop demanding that he put it away

Extreme mega Douchebaggery: beating the shiat out of the smoking videoing dude

It started out as a close contest, but the cops easily won this Douchebaggery Event in a rout.

Go team! We're #1!
 
2013-04-11 12:26:01 PM  
Depends on what a beat down is worth to you. NYC it's kind of like winning a scratch ticket there are so many every year. $50K settlement maybe, but that is after a ton of time, lawyers fees, and looking like a tard in the national press.
 
2013-04-11 12:26:05 PM  
He was then assaulted because he had the temerity to be correct when a police officer was wrong. Screw you if you think that is OK.
 
2013-04-11 12:26:58 PM  
I play for both sides... Cell Phone Stun Guns
 
2013-04-11 12:27:37 PM  
If I'm not mistaken, the ACLU developed an APP:  records everything on both the camera and microphone, but screen stays blank so the people don't know/realize they're being recorded.

/Police brutality; there's an app for that
 
2013-04-11 12:27:52 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Is there any sane person that still believes the police are your friends?


I have a friend who is a cop.  Of course, he was my friend before he became a cop.  Also, he says he can't wait to find something to arrest me for, you know, for the lulz.  He's a terrible friend.
 
2013-04-11 12:28:06 PM  

LeroyBourne: They're bike cops, I'd be pissed off all the time too if I was a bike cop.


THIS.  Does anyone remember Officer Riviera of the Baltimore Police Department.  Angry little guy who was consigned to driving around in an electric police golf cart.  http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/body-found-in-anacostia-river-ide n tified/2013/04/02/ac88f870-9baa-11e2-9bda-edd1a7fb557d_story.html
 
2013-04-11 12:28:52 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Is there any sane person that still believes the police are your friends?


well
the officers were promptly arrested for assault and fired from the police force. so justice will be done.
reads article
yup nothing happened to the heroes
 
2013-04-11 12:29:44 PM  

NutWrench: H31N0US: The cop was within his rights to ask not to be filmed

No he wasn't. He was in a public place and had no expectation of privacy.
Just like the rest of us.


But he has the right to ASK!

Or course if the answer is "no," that's were it ends.
 
2013-04-11 12:30:22 PM  

Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.


I think most people know the difference between blindly hating all cops because they are cops on the one hand, and hating the far too frequent abusive cops that abuse their power because police have very little accountability in this day and age. Not you apparently, but most other people.
 
2013-04-11 12:30:31 PM  

Egoy3k: He was then assaulted because he had the temerity to be correct when a police officer was wrong. Screw you if you think that is OK.


Anyone that thinks this is ok is authoritarian scum.
 
2013-04-11 12:31:48 PM  

H31N0US: Why would you want to film a cop giving you a ticket for smoking?


Why not?  This is America, the land of the free.  The home of the brave.

Are you another one of those posters that hates us for our freedoms?
 
2013-04-11 12:32:32 PM  
namatad:

well
the officers were promptly arrested for assault and fired from the police force. so justice will be done.
reads article
yup nothing happened to the heroes


The officers in question will most likely be put on "administrative leave" which is code for "sit at a desk until this blows over then go back to being a dick all you want"
 
2013-04-11 12:32:46 PM  
Now sue the pants off them. That's how the system is supposed to work.
 
2013-04-11 12:32:53 PM  
The real reason that cops hate cameras is that all cops lie all the time and have done so forever.

Now that everyone has a video camera on their smartphone, the police have to constantly smash them to ensure that evidence of their constant lying never gets out.

The courts will support the police who do this, because if it gets out that all cops are liars, they'll never be able to convict anyone of a crime based on police testimony again.
 
2013-04-11 12:33:44 PM  

chrisco123: Wahh Wahh...I'm a little know-it-all about my rights and I'm going to pretend that I'm smarter than the police.  Douche should have been beaten before, during and after his arrest.


If it was legal to beat up know-it-all douchebags, you'd be the first on the list for a good ass kicking. Better shut your mouth and move along citizen, we wouldn't want you resisting arrest, now would we?
 
2013-04-11 12:35:16 PM  

Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.


You've got it backwards.  The cops hate us.  Especially when we go around smashing our faces into their fists for no particular reason.

Cop fear thread is more like it.
 
2013-04-11 12:35:38 PM  
Well...they *could* have had a point....

www.geeky-gadgets.com


/and not just the ones on top of their heads.
//they were still *WRONG*
 
2013-04-11 12:36:00 PM  
-Video recording in public is a perfectly legal, period. Recording cops performing their duties is almost a public responsibility nowadays; remind them constantly that they're being watched, just like everyone else with all the surveillance cameras around...
 
2013-04-11 12:36:55 PM  
I'm usually a pro-lawandorder kind of guy, but cops have been doing some real dicey shiat when to comes to being video recorded.
 
2013-04-11 12:38:23 PM  
Glock AR-47 military style fully-automatic assault cell phone?

/i need me one of thems
 
2013-04-11 12:38:57 PM  
Stay classy, San Diego.
 
2013-04-11 12:39:08 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: The list grows...

- Fear
- Surprise
- Ruthless efficiency
- Almost fanatical devotion to the Pope
- Nice red uniforms
- Cell phones


I certainly wasn't expecting that
 
2013-04-11 12:39:51 PM  
Converted into an evidence collection weapon.
 
2013-04-11 12:42:28 PM  
just can't be too careful  s22.postimg.org
 
Bf+
2013-04-11 12:42:55 PM  

H31N0US: the douchebag should have complied. He deserved a beatdown.


graphics8.nytimes.com

/yeah, I went there.
 
2013-04-11 12:42:58 PM  
I wonder how much this will earn him...
 
2013-04-11 12:43:38 PM  

NutWrench: H31N0US: The cop was within his rights to ask not to be filmed

No he wasn't. He was in a public place and had no expectation of privacy.
Just like the rest of us.


It depends what state you are in. Some states require consent of all parties before you can film them. If this was in CA - as it seems to be - cop may had the right to refuse to be filmed.

It's irrelevant though. Cop is an idiot for claiming a cellphone can be weapon and escalating the situation and the guy is a douche for filming the cops during a citation.
 
2013-04-11 12:43:58 PM  
Dear cop, you are a criminal hiding behind a badge.  Go kill yourself.
 
2013-04-11 12:44:06 PM  
Lots of things can be dangerous weapons, depending on the context.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-11 12:45:17 PM  
Every patriot has a duty to squeal. Bad cops undermine the vital role of law enforcement. There are two kinds of bad cops- those who deny the civil liberties of US residents, and those who keep quiet when they encounter type number 1.

The only good cop is a cop who enforces the law regardless of who's breaking it- the guy who steals a Snickers does FAR less damage to the USA and civil society than the cop who illegally subverts the civil liberties of US residents.

Without those who videotape these lawbreakers, we will proceed into this corruption until it is not tolerable, at which point the angriest among us will burn everything down and start over. This process is expensive and bloody. The alternative is to reform over time by exposing malfeasance so that it can be dealt with and the structures of government can undergo continuous improvement. Ironically, it is the reformers the government cracks down on now, even though the alternative is expensive, bloody, disastrous revolt.

Government is made by fools and short sighted beaurocrats, and this is why we can't have nice things.
 
2013-04-11 12:46:24 PM  

timujin: Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.

Perhaps if cops weren't attacking citizens for no reason, they would be less hated.  Something about "serve and protect" comes to mind.


I'm sure you are a member of some group - race, religion, profession? - that also does bad things.
Should I paint all members of your group with the same brush?
 
2013-04-11 12:46:40 PM  

Franko: If I'm not mistaken, the ACLU developed an APP:  records everything on both the camera and microphone, but screen stays blank so the people don't know/realize they're being recorded.

/Police brutality; there's an app for that


You are not mistaken.
 
2013-04-11 12:47:24 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.

You've got it backwards.  The cops hate us.  Especially when we go around smashing our faces into their fists for no particular reason.

Cop fear thread is more like it.


Funny how that's never happened to me or anyone I know.
It only seems to happen here on Fark.
 
2013-04-11 12:47:59 PM  

jaybeezey: I'm usually a pro-lawandorder kind of guy, but cops have been doing some real dicey shiat when to comes to being video recorded.


Yup.

And you know who REALLY hates douchey cops? Non douchey cops. You know who REALLY hates authority-abusing cops? Non-authority-abusing cops. A single incident like this makes it that much harder for real cops, good cops to do their jobs.

You know why "Stop snitchin'" is so effective? Because if you live in "that (kind of) neighborhood" and you call the cops, they may shoot you as they walk up because you have a WEAPON! phone in your hand (with the 911 dispatch on the other end). This scenario almost happened to me - in broad daylight - in PG County (thankfully, she holstered her weapon). The cynic in me wonders, if I was a few shades darker, would the cop have aerated me just to be sure?

Law enforcement should start policing themselves. Qui custodat ipsos custodies? Nofarkingone, unless you do.
 
2013-04-11 12:48:08 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: The real reason that cops hate cameras is that all cops lie all the time and have done so forever.

Now that everyone has a video camera on their smartphone, the police have to constantly smash them to ensure that evidence of their constant lying never gets out.

The courts will support the police who do this, because if it gets out that all cops are liars, they'll never be able to convict anyone of a crime based on police testimony again.


You sound like an insane person.
But typical of Fark.
 
2013-04-11 12:48:58 PM  
San Diego cops are geniuses. Some years ago a local TV news cameraman spotted a couple of them ragging on a well-known football player and started taping it from a reasonable distance. One of the cops charged up to him, grabbed the camera, shoved the videographer over a low railing and down a hillside, then put the camera, still running, in the back of his patrol car. I never heard what happened to the cop, but he should have been fired and charged with assault under color of authority. I hope the city had to pay out a ton of money to the video guy. Looks like no lesson was learned, however.
 
2013-04-11 12:50:08 PM  
If I ever carry a cell phone, you can be damned sure I'll have one that I can detonate remotely as soon as a cop takes it from me.
/I don't carry a cell phone.
 
2013-04-11 12:51:41 PM  
COPS:  claiming the phone could be "converted into a weapon"

Translation: It you hold any solid object in the universe we have the right to beat the crap out of you.


Reality:  Jack booted thug didn't like being filmed and decided to kick a citizen's ass knowing full well he could get away with it.
 
2013-04-11 12:52:04 PM  

Begoggle: Marcus Aurelius: Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.

You've got it backwards.  The cops hate us.  Especially when we go around smashing our faces into their fists for no particular reason.

Cop fear thread is more like it.

Funny how that's never happened to me or anyone I know.
It only seems to happen here on Fark.


So you doubt that these things happen? In a thread about these things being reported? With video? Really?
 
2013-04-11 12:53:18 PM  

H31N0US: I can't believe I'm writing this, but my outrage subsided completely once I read the story.Why would you want to film a cop giving you a ticket for smoking? So you can be a self absorbed douchebag and post the video to your FB page?

The cop was within his rights to ask not to be filmed, and the douchebag should have complied. He deserved a beatdown.


The supreme court disagrees.

Shocking this happened in a liberal state. This would never happen in mew york, chicago, philly, baltimore, oakland...
 
2013-04-11 12:53:20 PM  

H31N0US: I can't believe I'm writing this, but my outrage subsided completely once I read the story.Why would you want to film a cop giving you a ticket for smoking? So you can be a self absorbed douchebag and post the video to your FB page?

The cop was within his rights to ask not to be filmed, and the douchebag should have complied. He deserved a beatdown.


Except that the courts have rules that the cop WAS NOT WITHIN HIS rights. If he is in public with no expectation of privacy you can film him.

This cop is just a douchebag with an attitude and a badge. Apparently a common combination.
 
2013-04-11 12:53:42 PM  
Cops: Some people love them.  Some people hate them.  Some people shoot them.

pictures.abebooks.com
 
2013-04-11 12:54:02 PM  
Invest in one of these:

i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-11 12:54:36 PM  

Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.


Funny how daily abuse by low intelligence thugs with authorities leads to hate.

I am sure the cause-effect piece of that is hard to understand, but keep trying.
 
2013-04-11 12:54:47 PM  

Dr Dreidel: You know who REALLY hates authority-abusing cops? Non-authority-abusing cops. A single incident like this makes it that much harder for real cops, good cops to do their jobs.


Cops treat people the same way. You have one black guy steal a slice of pizza, they treat every black person as dangerous thieving criminals.

You have one Hispanic man caught with a joint, they treat all Hispanics as dangerous drug users and possible cartel kingpins.

They profile. Why can't we?
 
2013-04-11 12:55:02 PM  

H31N0US: e cop was within his rights to ask not to be filmed,


No he wasn't.
 
2013-04-11 12:56:12 PM  
 
2013-04-11 12:56:32 PM  

timujin: Now, I know there are a lot of firearm aficionados on Fark, do y'all see a lot of working cell phones that have been "converted into guns"?


No, never.  I'm sure it's happened, but it wouldn't be very useful as a gun.
 
2013-04-11 12:56:37 PM  

Begoggle: Marcus Aurelius: Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.

You've got it backwards.  The cops hate us.  Especially when we go around smashing our faces into their fists for no particular reason.

Cop fear thread is more like it.

Funny how that's never happened to me or anyone I know.
It only seems to happen here on Fark.



Have you ever been in the Walmart in my town?
Since you haven't, do you assume it does not exist?

Your intellect is truly dizzying.
 
2013-04-11 12:58:03 PM  

Begoggle: Funny how that's never happened to me or anyone I know.
It only seems to happen here on Fark.


Have you ever been attacked by a bear or shark? No?

Would you swim with a shark or hike around bears?


Yeah I thought so. Just more derpy cop logic
 
2013-04-11 12:59:06 PM  

dabbletech: Always start any interaction with police as follows.."By the way, I have a highly infectious form of HIV".

Where is this San Diego place where you cannot smoke on sidewalks??

Barbaric!


CSB
I ran down a dude that stole my bike in DC and in the process of following down the middle of 14th st while yelling for a cop he tried to break a bottle to threaten me with like in the movies and cut his hand all up. Cops came and ran him and he came back HIV + so they let him go.
 
2013-04-11 01:03:27 PM  

Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.


As a supporter of law enforcement, having family in law enforcement, having worked in law enforcement, the fact we have a "daily cop hate thread" is what I think should draw more disdain than a fark thread. .
 
2013-04-11 01:04:06 PM  

netgamer7k: Glock AR-47 military style fully-automatic assault cell phone?

/i need me one of thems


Better make sure it's black and scary looking.  If it's not black, it's not scary to a pig.
 
2013-04-11 01:05:14 PM  

Godscrack: They profile. Why can't we?


If it's wrong when they do it, how is it any righter when you do? In both cases they say it's "because safety". Now the real question is, if your house is broken into or a family member is assaulted, who ya gonna call?

// I've had mostly good luck with cops, but I recognize that it's largely luck
 
2013-04-11 01:06:56 PM  

chrisco123: Wahh Wahh...I'm a little know-it-all about my rights and I'm going to pretend that I'm smarter than the police.  Douche should have been beaten before, during and after his arrest.


looking forward to you and your family dealing with the same thing...
 
2013-04-11 01:08:04 PM  
Well, that's going to make for a simple and easy payout when he sues the city. Probably a settlement to avoid setting any form of precedent, with the city praying that their next victim won't be as well organized
 
2013-04-11 01:08:14 PM  

FC Exile: in DC and in the process of following down the middle of 14th st


Now...what pray tell were you doing on 14th Street?

/heh heh heh
 
2013-04-11 01:09:42 PM  

NostroZ: [blogs.nysut.org image 600x368]
These citizens are ARMED and DANGEROUS... with their cell phones and placards!


I see three armed and dangerous citizens in that picture
 
2013-04-11 01:10:07 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Godscrack: They profile. Why can't we?

If it's wrong when they do it, how is it any righter when you do?



Fight fire, with fire. Cops are people first.

They change who they are when they put on that uniform. Most of the time, the change isn't very good.
 
2013-04-11 01:13:10 PM  
the phone could be "converted into a weapon"

According to Snopes, this is actually true. But even so, in the other link from TFA, in the follow-up video, the cop says that all he needed to do was take a look at the phone. If that was the case, he did a pretty farking shiatty job of explaining that to the guy during the first video.
 
2013-04-11 01:13:19 PM  
moved into my new (to me) house in the burbs & on the very first night the cops block off the neighborhood in response to a drunk guy.
granted, i don't know what dude did or said, but the response of no less than 15 cops with those long rifles with the scary black bits seemed a bit much.

you could almost taste the disappointment in their faces as they packed up all their artillery without a shot fired 10 minutes later  & a drunk and loud man stood cuffed in the front lawn.  he didn't have a shirt on.

/did not feel safer
 
2013-04-11 01:13:28 PM  

Begoggle: timujin: Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.

Perhaps if cops weren't attacking citizens for no reason, they would be less hated.  Something about "serve and protect" comes to mind.

I'm sure you are a member of some group - race, religion, profession? - that also does bad things.
Should I paint all members of your group with the same brush?


Neither my "race, religion or profession" is supposed to be there for the service of my fellow citizens.  You seem to think that posting an article about cops being assholes and violating someone rights is a "daily cop hate thread"... and my comment is that there would be fewer of these threads if these incidents weren't so common.  If there were daily examples of white people attacking black people, as there were in the south in the 50's and 60's, then I'd expect daily articles about that.  And I would also expect that people would say, "Damn, those white folks in the south are a bunch of assholes," which is not only what happened then, but the "same brush" they're painted with even to today.
 
2013-04-11 01:16:23 PM  

Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.


You can't say that they're not doing everything possible to warrant it either.
 
2013-04-11 01:17:08 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Is there any sane person that still believes the police are your friends?


All my life I have.

I`m changing my mind.
 
2013-04-11 01:17:40 PM  

Crewmannumber6: You can't say that they're not doing everything possible to warrant it either.


Especially when a couple courts and the farking DoJ have said you can't do what they did in this case.
 
2013-04-11 01:19:14 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Godscrack: They profile. Why can't we?

If it's wrong when they do it, how is it any righter when you do? In both cases they say it's "because safety". Now the real question is, if your house is broken into or a family member is assaulted, who ya gonna call?

// I've had mostly good luck with cops, but I recognize that it's largely luck


Ghostbusters would be a better bet.

I'm white, middle class family, never had a positive experience with a cop, was mugged in FRONT of 2 cops (back in the 80's, when I was 15) also live in Canada
Seen a bunch of situations get out of control because of the cops(and I'm not just talking about protests here) just your basic beef in a bar type stuff went from angry to violence to peoples lives being ruined because of cops.

ACAB
 
2013-04-11 01:23:04 PM  
In the video below, Reinhold tells his friend that they are trained by the police department to suspect that cell phones can be converted into guns.

imageshack.us
 
2013-04-11 01:23:53 PM  

inner ted: moved into my new (to me) house

trailerin the burbs & on the very first night the cops block off the neighborhoodwhole park in response to a drunk guy.
granted, i don't know what dude did or said, but the response of no less than 15 cops with those long rifles with the scary black bits seemed a bit much.

you could almost taste the disappointment in their faces as they packed up all their artillery without a shot fired 10 minutes later  & a drunk and loud man stood cuffed in the front lawn.  he didn't have a shirt on.

/did not feel safer


FTFY
 
2013-04-11 01:29:54 PM  
I am 49 years old and I was beat by a cop when I was 14, it was not very pretty and I was made to look like the bad person. All I said to the cop was " Hey man the fores over ther your going the wrong way". Before I knew it he was out of the car and had me in a choke hold and told me to never speak to him that way, After a couple of good jabs to the ribs he let me limp home.
 
2013-04-11 01:30:15 PM  

Begoggle: Marcus Aurelius: Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.

You've got it backwards.  The cops hate us.  Especially when we go around smashing our faces into their fists for no particular reason.

Cop fear thread is more like it.

Funny how that's never happened to me or anyone I know.
It only seems to happen here on Fark.


Says the white conformist.

You know, of course, that it's NEVER illegal or dangerous to conform. But be a different race from the majority, or a different philosophy, or religion, or hobby- see how that works out.
 
2013-04-11 01:32:52 PM  

H31N0US: The cop was within his rights to ask not to be filmed


Wrong.  A police officer performing his normal duties has no expectation of privacy.  The courts have been very consistent in this.
 
2013-04-11 01:33:13 PM  
Move along citizen, nothing to see here.  I said move along before I put this d@mn night stick up your @ss.
 
2013-04-11 01:36:24 PM  

AAlumni: Douche: dude smoking in an area posted as 'no smoking'


We don't know if it was posted.  Nothing in the article as as much.  Some cities have passed laws against smoking publicly, but they don't make it obvious with signs everywhere, so a visitor could easily be in violation without realizing it.
 
2013-04-11 01:38:08 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Now the real question is, if your house is broken into or a family member is assaulted, who ya gonna call?


Where I live, we would call 911 and ask for them to send someone to pick up the body after the shooting stops. If you 'call the cops' when someone breaks in, it will be a good 30 minutes before they arrive. By then, it's all over one way or another. Sadly, this isn't just an assumption - been there, done that.
 
2013-04-11 01:40:33 PM  
This cop fails on so many levels.
 
2013-04-11 01:42:40 PM  

Begoggle: Marcus Aurelius: Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.

You've got it backwards.  The cops hate us.  Especially when we go around smashing our faces into their fists for no particular reason.

Cop fear thread is more like it.

Funny how that's never happened to me or anyone I know.
It only seems to happen here on Fark.


It's good to be white and wealthy, isn't it?

But even then I'd think twice about filming a Philly cop.  You KNOW they'll beat your ass for it.
 
2013-04-11 01:48:10 PM  

Sweaty Dynamite: inner ted: moved into my new (to me) housetrailerin the burbs & on the very first night the cops block off the neighborhoodwhole park in response to a drunk guy.
granted, i don't know what dude did or said, but the response of no less than 15 cops with those long rifles with the scary black bits seemed a bit much.

you could almost taste the disappointment in their faces as they packed up all their artillery without a shot fired 10 minutes later  & a drunk and loud man stood cuffed in the front lawn.  he didn't have a shirt on.

/did not feel safer

FTFY


lol
umad
 
2013-04-11 01:53:36 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Is there any sane person that still believes the police are your friends?


Nope.
 
2013-04-11 01:59:23 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: NutWrench: H31N0US: The cop was within his rights to ask not to be filmed

No he wasn't. He was in a public place and had no expectation of privacy.
Just like the rest of us.

No, he has every right to ask. Anybody can ask anything. Now, having (or not having) the right for the other person to comply with that is another matter entirely.


Once you have the "put it away" order recorded, your payday is assured.  Put it away and call your lawyer.

Cops have found cell phone guns.  Apple should be patenting this idea any time now.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/cellgun.asp
 
2013-04-11 01:59:29 PM  

kgloverfl: This really surprises people that ANOTHER cop abused his authoritative power? We should ban assault cops and limit current cops to 10 donuts. That'll fix everything.

/when donuts are outlawed, only outlaws will have them


Who here is surprised? No one is surprised, you may be surprised to learn.
 
2013-04-11 02:01:37 PM  
Can this ever happen to somebody who isn't a complete tool? You know, so I might have some sympathy for them.

Cops: Don't be dicks.
People: Don't be a dick to cops - you'll ALWAYS lose that argument.
 
2013-04-11 02:02:42 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Crewmannumber6: You can't say that they're not doing everything possible to warrant it either.

Especially when a couple courts and the farking DoJ have said you can't do what they did in this case.


Do you have a citation? I'm not snarking, just looking for info. I haven't fully searched upthread so I might have missed it like a jackass. In Illinois they have a fascinating end run around this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_wiretapping_law

The whole idea of a phone conversation would be it's private comms between the parties on either end of the conversation talking. Exactly how that is remotely farking applicable to someone standing in the middle of the street in broad daylight makes the head spin. By that logic I should be able to f*ck a woman right there in the middle of the street because somehow there is a magical right to privacy. If I were a cop, could I do that in Illinois? I'm so confused. Please help me. The statue also applies to people having a conversation. How in the goddamned Jesus rose again motherfarking christ with a hockey stick and dildopants is there ANY EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY WHEN THE CONVERSATION TAKES PLACE IN farkING PUBLIC? Are you also expecting people to go Men In Black and wipe their own memories if they witness a conversation where a cop shouts NUBIAN NUBIAN NUBIAN at someone because that conversation is somehow protected? It's ass backwards as fark. Jumped up xenu on an HIV positive popsicle stick, I hate Illinois.

I have no idea where this language is coming from.
 
2013-04-11 02:08:11 PM  

Tio_Holtzmann: WhyteRaven74: Crewmannumber6: You can't say that they're not doing everything possible to warrant it either.

Especially when a couple courts and the farking DoJ have said you can't do what they did in this case.

Do you have a citation? I'm not snarking, just looking for info. I haven't fully searched upthread so I might have missed it like a jackass. In Illinois they have a fascinating end run around this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_wiretapping_law

The whole idea of a phone conversation would be it's private comms between the parties on either end of the conversation talking. Exactly how that is remotely farking applicable to someone standing in the middle of the street in broad daylight makes the head spin. By that logic I should be able to f*ck a woman right there in the middle of the street because somehow there is a magical right to privacy. If I were a cop, could I do that in Illinois? I'm so confused. Please help me. The statue also applies to people having a conversation. How in the goddamned Jesus rose again motherfarking christ with a hockey stick and dildopants is there ANY EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY WHEN THE CONVERSATION TAKES PLACE IN farkING PUBLIC? Are you also expecting people to go Men In Black and wipe their own memories if they witness a conversation where a cop shouts NUBIAN NUBIAN NUBIAN at someone because that conversation is somehow protected? It's ass backwards as fark. Jumped up xenu on an HIV positive popsicle stick, I hate Illinois.

I have no idea where this language is coming from.


7th district court already overturned that law and SCOTUS let that decision stand. If you're in public you have no right to privacy
 
2013-04-11 02:08:44 PM  
Macguyver to come out of retirement while being tied up in an abandoned cabin on top of a mountain top while trapped by goats armed with machetes.

Lord knows what his cell phone will do to them when he's finished
 
2013-04-11 02:12:01 PM  
I just came here to mention that the fact that he can't smoke outside on the boardwalk is absolutely ridiculous.  I can understand not wanting butts near the beach, but if this is the problem then make it a ridiculous fine for littering a cig butt.  If you are such a flaming pussy that outdoor second-hand smoke is too much for you then just wrap your windows in saran wrap and stay indoors please.  I promise there's worse stuff floating around in the air, and virtually everything these days is carcinogenic.  A few smoke particles on the beach breeze isn't going to hurt you.

I don't even smoke btw.
 
2013-04-11 02:18:46 PM  

NutWrench: Some of those phones have pointy bits.
That makes it an "Assault Phone."


It was a Samsung and we know they copied their rounded corners from Apple so it couldn't be an assault phone. Was it a high-capacity battery?
 
2013-04-11 02:23:07 PM  

Tio_Holtzmann: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_wiretapping_law


what redmid said.
 
2013-04-11 02:36:28 PM  

OgreMagi: AAlumni: Douche: dude smoking in an area posted as 'no smoking'

We don't know if it was posted.  Nothing in the article as as much.  Some cities have passed laws against smoking publicly, but they don't make it obvious with signs everywhere, so a visitor could easily be in violation without realizing it.


You can't smoke at the beach here because generations of assholes had a bad habit of leaving their butts in the sand.  We banned cigarettes on the beach years and years before booze.

I think the beatdown happened on the beach boardwalk.

(the dude's lucky the cops didn't straight shoot him.  The cops here have been known to perforate homeless dudes for "being threatening".  pigs.)
 
2013-04-11 02:43:31 PM  

OgreMagi: AAlumni: Douche: dude smoking in an area posted as 'no smoking'

We don't know if it was posted.  Nothing in the article as as much.  Some cities have passed laws against smoking publicly, but they don't make it obvious with signs everywhere, so a visitor could easily be in violation without realizing it.

_________________________


I have been there, Used to live in San Diego. There are signs. Now, are there enough signs? That may be up for debate. But there are signs. Or were when I was there.


/premium cigar smoker
//likes one after dinner
 
2013-04-11 02:47:18 PM  

Bonzo_1116: You can't smoke at the beach here because generations of assholes had a bad habit of leaving their butts in the sand. We banned cigarettes on the beach years and years before booze.


Ugh. People who think it's fine to leave their butts in sand just because it's the same stuff that's inside the big metal ashtrays are right up there with serial killers and patent trolls on the list of People Who Suck. So if he was simply smoking and ashing into a soda can or something, then a "put it out" warning would probably been sufficient. If, however, he was being a prick with his ashes and butts, fark him. He deserved a beat down.

/not for the recording thing. That's legal
//hee hee, I said prick, ashes, butts, and fark in the same sentence
 
2013-04-11 03:01:45 PM  

namegoeshere: Bonzo_1116: You can't smoke at the beach here because generations of assholes had a bad habit of leaving their butts in the sand. We banned cigarettes on the beach years and years before booze.

Ugh. People who think it's fine to leave their butts in sand just because it's the same stuff that's inside the big metal ashtrays are right up there with serial killers and patent trolls on the list of People Who Suck. So if he was simply smoking and ashing into a soda can or something, then a "put it out" warning would probably been sufficient. If, however, he was being a prick with his ashes and butts, fark him. He deserved a beat down.

/not for the recording thing. That's legal
//hee hee, I said prick, ashes, butts, and fark in the same sentence



Same for inconsiderate smoking asshats who toss butts out the car window. That is THE SAME as tossing out a burger wrapper or empty soda can. It is trash. In fact, it is worse. It is smoldering trash that could cause a fire.

/Used to won a house on a busy road
 
2013-04-11 03:22:29 PM  

Godscrack: Dr Dreidel: You know who REALLY hates authority-abusing cops? Non-authority-abusing cops. A single incident like this makes it that much harder for real cops, good cops to do their jobs.

Cops treat people the same way. You have one black guy steal a slice of pizza, they treat every black person as dangerous thieving criminals.

You have one Hispanic man caught with a joint, they treat all Hispanics as dangerous drug users and possible cartel kingpins.

They profile. Why can't we?


That's the stupidest thing I've ever read.
 
2013-04-11 03:24:59 PM  
His cell-phone could be "converted into a weapon"?

I am curious to see how that is accomplished.
 
2013-04-11 03:32:35 PM  
Here we go. A cell phone that can be converted into a weapon.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-11 03:37:42 PM  
If the police aren't doing anything wrong, then they shouldn't have a problem being recorded.
 
2013-04-11 03:42:44 PM  

Crewmannumber6: If the police aren't doing anything wrong, then they shouldn't have a problem being recorded.


That's not a valid argument.  They can have a problem with it, they can ask the guy to stop recording them.  They should not violate his rights if he fails to comply.  More tax money wasted because some asshole cop went on a power trip.  I wonder how much this latest lottery winner is going to get.  Anyone who calls for reducing government waste should be at the front of the line clamoring for these types of cops to get canned.
 
2013-04-11 03:45:08 PM  

timujin: Crewmannumber6: If the police aren't doing anything wrong, then they shouldn't have a problem being recorded.

That's not a valid argument.  They can have a problem with it, they can ask the guy to stop recording them.  They should not violate his rights if he fails to comply.  More tax money wasted because some asshole cop went on a power trip.  I wonder how much this latest lottery winner is going to get.  Anyone who calls for reducing government waste should be at the front of the line clamoring for these types of cops to get canned.


If a cop pulls me over, do I have the right to tell him to turn off his dashboard camera and erase any video recording that has my image on it?
 
2013-04-11 03:49:14 PM  

timujin: Anyone who calls for reducing government waste should be at the front of the line clamoring for these types of cops to get canned.


Not necessarily canned, but they should have to pay the award (or some percentage). The state still farked up by either not screening well enough or not training well enough.
 
2013-04-11 03:53:29 PM  
www.shadowlocked.com
Don't you look at me, you f*ck!
 
2013-04-11 04:19:15 PM  

timujin: Crewmannumber6: If the police aren't doing anything wrong, then they shouldn't have a problem being recorded.

That's not a valid argument.  They can have a problem with it, they can ask the guy to stop recording them.  They should not violate his rights if he fails to comply.  More tax money wasted because some asshole cop went on a power trip.  I wonder how much this latest lottery winner is going to get.  Anyone who calls for reducing government waste should be at the front of the line clamoring for these types of cops to get canned.


It's a good enough argument when they want to look in your trunk without a warrant
 
2013-04-11 04:26:20 PM  
I just came in to say, no matter how much a dickhole you are, the cops don't get a free pass on beating your ass for using a video camera. That cop should have his badge stripped, and his livelihood stripped, and should have to watch his family be beaten by his fellow cops.

50,000 cops on unemployment, with their families starving? A good start. Aren't there mcjobs without power and privilege for these farking idiots? Can't we send some of these jackoffs where they can get shot honorably, instead of terrorizing citizens?
 
2013-04-11 05:00:25 PM  
 
2013-04-11 06:00:39 PM  
According to the updates, the officers are told in training that a cell phone can be used as a gun...

Seriously, that's what the update says. OMFG

People make jokes about Well's 1984, but he should have called it more appropriately 9/11. Folks you live in a dystopia.
 
2013-04-11 06:09:24 PM  
Why is it that the public are more and more being forced into a transparent existence, while the government and law, go into more secrecy?
 
2013-04-11 06:19:59 PM  

pippi longstocking: According to the updates, the officers are told in training that a cell phone can be used as a gun...

Seriously, that's what the update says. OMFG

People make jokes about Well's 1984, but he should have called it more appropriately 9/11. Folks you live in a dystopia.


I wonder how often a cellphone gun has actually been used... probably no where near often enough to warrant cop paranoia.
 
2013-04-11 06:51:33 PM  
The thing about the cellphone guns (at least all the ones I've read about, including in that Snopes link) is that they don't function as a phone. They have a blank painted on screen, like the fake electronics you get in furniture stores. So if he can record with it enough to piss you off, it can't be a cellphone gun/stungun..
 
2013-04-11 07:05:43 PM  
There are pen (or zip) guns and phone guns and a ball cap with a copper weight in the back to hit people with.

If he is trying to arrest a murderer, sure. Heck, if this guy was getting arrested at all, I would understand instructing him to drop what was in his hands and put his hands behind his back.

The fact is, this guy was getting a TICKET from a bike cop for smoking  a cigarette. The absurdity of it all was being filmed and Officer I.M. Bikepopo decided that he didn't want the successful people he went to school with to see a video of him carrying out his life's work -  hassleing a cigarette smoker on a beach boardwalk - especially since he probably  told them that he was SWAT or CIA or whatever at the 10-year renunion.

/If I remember correctly, the lifeguards in SD could write you a ticket, too, for smoking
 
2013-04-11 07:40:34 PM  

inner ted: moved into my new (to me) house in the burbs & on the very first night the cops block off the neighborhood in response to a drunk guy.
granted, i don't know what dude did or said, but the response of no less than 15 cops with those long rifles with the scary black bits seemed a bit much.

you could almost taste the disappointment in their faces as they packed up all their artillery without a shot fired 10 minutes later  & a drunk and loud man stood cuffed in the front lawn.  he didn't have a shirt on.

/did not feel safer


The cops in Portland have a reputation on par with Oakland cops.

Most of 'em reside in the far more conservative city of Vancouver and have a serious hate for the people of Portland.   We're not "people" to them.  Just hipsters, hippies, and the homeless.
 
2013-04-11 07:52:42 PM  

ChipNASA: Well...they *could* have had a point....

[www.geeky-gadgets.com image 500x577]

/and not just the ones on top of their heads.
//they were still *WRONG*


Oh good God... leaving partials on the cartridges?

Freakin' amateur. Probably bought them at Walmart, too.
 
2013-04-11 07:57:16 PM  

ExpressPork: I just came here to mention that the fact that he can't smoke outside on the boardwalk is absolutely ridiculous.  I can understand not wanting butts near the beach, but if this is the problem then make it a ridiculous fine for littering a cig butt.  If you are such a flaming pussy that outdoor second-hand smoke is too much for you then just wrap your windows in saran wrap and stay indoors please.  I promise there's worse stuff floating around in the air, and virtually everything these days is carcinogenic.  A few smoke particles on the beach breeze isn't going to hurt you.

I don't even smoke btw.


Problem is, you have to stand there and watch a smoke until they litter to fine them.
I've yet to meet a smoker that didn't litter when a butt disposal station was more than 10 feet away when they finished smoking. "I stomped it out, what more do you want?"
The only butts on the beach should be in swimsuits.
 
2013-04-11 08:26:01 PM  
If I pu mine in a pocket do I need a concealed carry permit?
 
2013-04-11 09:56:49 PM  

Begoggle: Funny how that's never happened to me or anyone I know.
It only seems to happen here on Fark.


I'm a reasonable guy, more than reasonable. I've seen it begin to start in my direction once, I was lucky enough to defuse the situation. I asked a cop where I might find a public restroom (New Orleans, Mardi Gras weekend, I hadn't yet had a drink).He told me to pee in the bushes. Then he ordered me to pee in the bushes. He was on the brink of making my life miserable. You sort of had to be there, it was weird and scary, the guy was pissed off in a way I've seen only a few times.

I walked away.
 
2013-04-11 10:40:12 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: ChipNASA: In the video below, Reinhold tells his friend that they are trained by the police department to suspect that cell phones can be converted into guns.

LOL, now the lawyer gets to ask for the training documents covering this.


More to the point, the cop asks the guy to stop recording. It would seem that he doesn't think it's a weapon by the nature of his statement. Did he say "look a cell phone gun!" no.

This is, of course, likely the latest in FOP's little recommendations on how to stop police from being recorded. "If they don't stop, pretend you think it's a gun and beat them down!"
 
2013-04-12 12:15:58 AM  
shiat like this is why Dorner started shooting cops. I know it makes me want to a bit.
 
2013-04-12 12:54:24 AM  

penthesilea: The cops in Portland have a reputation on par with Oakland cops.

Most of 'em reside in the far more conservative city of Vancouver and have a serious hate for the people of Portland. We're not "people" to them. Just hipsters, hippies, and the homeless.


That's a hell of a commute.
 
2013-04-12 01:32:11 AM  

Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.


Its vids like this that make them daily.

Alas the worse that will happen to them is a sacking, not fines, no jail time.
 
2013-04-12 01:45:16 AM  

Crewmannumber6: timujin: Crewmannumber6: If the police aren't doing anything wrong, then they shouldn't have a problem being recorded.

That's not a valid argument. They can have a problem with it, they can ask the guy to stop recording them. They should not violate his rights if he fails to comply. More tax money wasted because some asshole cop went on a power trip. I wonder how much this latest lottery winner is going to get. Anyone who calls for reducing government waste should be at the front of the line clamoring for these types of cops to get canned.

It's a good enough argument when they want to look in your trunk without a warrant


Apples, oranges, let me show you the difference.  If you were filming him in his house, that would be a problem, but he has no expectation of privacy when he's a public official in a public space.  You have an expectation that your closed and locked trunk will remain so.  Pretending you don't know the difference makes you look all trolly.
 
2013-04-12 01:52:12 AM  

Bonzo_1116: OgreMagi: AAlumni: Douche: dude smoking in an area posted as 'no smoking'

We don't know if it was posted.  Nothing in the article as as much.  Some cities have passed laws against smoking publicly, but they don't make it obvious with signs everywhere, so a visitor could easily be in violation without realizing it.

You can't smoke at the beach here because generations of assholes had a bad habit of leaving their butts in the sand.  We banned cigarettes on the beach years and years before booze.

I think the beatdown happened on the beach boardwalk.

(the dude's lucky the cops didn't straight shoot him.  The cops here have been known to perforate homeless dudes for "being threatening".  pigs.)


And yet if I roll my own with no butt I still cannot smoke on the beach ... and yet peeps can eat takeaway, ever noticed how much rubbish is on a beach?
 
2013-04-12 03:16:42 AM  

Langdon_777: Bonzo_1116: OgreMagi: AAlumni: Douche: dude smoking in an area posted as 'no smoking'

We don't know if it was posted.  Nothing in the article as as much.  Some cities have passed laws against smoking publicly, but they don't make it obvious with signs everywhere, so a visitor could easily be in violation without realizing it.

You can't smoke at the beach here because generations of assholes had a bad habit of leaving their butts in the sand.  We banned cigarettes on the beach years and years before booze.

I think the beatdown happened on the beach boardwalk.

(the dude's lucky the cops didn't straight shoot him.  The cops here have been known to perforate homeless dudes for "being threatening".  pigs.)

And yet if I roll my own with no butt I still cannot smoke on the beach ... and yet peeps can eat takeaway, ever noticed how much rubbish is on a beach?


The assh*le butt tossers ruined it for everybody else. Seagulls eat the nasty butts and die. It's not fair to the more "green" smokers.
 
2013-04-12 08:47:09 AM  

toetag: Begoggle: Just the daily cop hate thread.
Nothing to see here.

As a supporter of law enforcement, having family in law enforcement, having worked in law enforcement, the fact we have a "daily cop hate thread" is what I think should draw more disdain than a fark thread. .


Your family needs to work on police PR.  Step one... stop being prick-waving, insecure, power-hungry scofflaws.  Step two... Make your colleagues stop being prick-waving, insecure, power-hungry scofflaws.  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt your family may have accomplished step one.
 
2013-04-12 09:03:39 AM  

thetubameister: o work on police PR. Step one... stop being prick-waving, insecure, power-hungry scofflaws. Step two... Make your colleagues stop being prick-waving, insecure, power-hungry scofflaws. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt your family may have accomplished step o


My family isn't in the PR business.  LE agencies shouldn't be in the PR business.  If an LE agency has a PR wing, that just proves to me, there is a problem that needs to be addressed not brushed aside and/or covered up.

It makes for better media hype when it is a LE agency with an issue but all industries have the same inherent problem.  (hospitals with bad doctors, accountants stealing from their clients...)  The fact that each of them go the PR route to avoid responsibility is the American way.
 
2013-04-12 09:54:58 AM  

toetag: thetubameister: o work on police PR. Step one... stop being prick-waving, insecure, power-hungry scofflaws. Step two... Make your colleagues stop being prick-waving, insecure, power-hungry scofflaws. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt your family may have accomplished step o

My family isn't in the PR business.  LE agencies shouldn't be in the PR business.  If an LE agency has a PR wing, that just proves to me, there is a problem that needs to be addressed not brushed aside and/or covered up.

It makes for better media hype when it is a LE agency with an issue but all industries have the same inherent problem.  (hospitals with bad doctors, accountants stealing from their clients...)  The fact that each of them go the PR route to avoid responsibility is the American way.


Of course they shouldn't be in the PR "business", but their entire gig is public relations of one sort or another.  That "LE" farks that up consistently means they have a public relations problem.  A HUGE problem
 
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