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2013-04-11 12:15:12 PM
How much for all of them?
 
2013-04-11 12:15:43 PM
They start of that way, but they don't last that way

The light that burns twice as bright burns twice as fast
 
2013-04-11 12:16:02 PM
Say "yes" to human trafficking.  It's Ukrainians biggest business.  So says your glorious leader from the Best Korea.
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2013-04-11 12:16:48 PM
No way they won't take you for half your money and run off with a bodybuilder after 6 months farmers.

This is completely safe.
 
2013-04-11 12:17:29 PM
Anyone know how much a flight to Nikolaev costs?
 
2013-04-11 12:17:56 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-11 12:18:06 PM

CleanAndPure: No way they won't take you for half your money and run off with a bodybuilder after 6 months farmers.

This is completely safe.


Farmers?

Damn you autocorrect
 
2013-04-11 12:19:15 PM
About 8 years ago, I had a friend fall for a Russian woman that he'd met online.  He excitedly told me about how she was so into him, etc etc etc...He was something of an introvert, so this was good for him and very very bad for him at the same time.

She started asking for money.  I told him to be nice, but politely let her know that he couldn't afford to send her stuff or buy her anything.

She broke up with him the next day.  He was astounded at how quick she turned on him when he didn't turn over the cash.
 
2013-04-11 12:19:41 PM
Wait. So those girls that are 16 and 17 are already pimping themselves out for fat, rich, dirty old perv foreign husbands? Chris Hansen needs to get to the Ukraine stat.
 
2013-04-11 12:19:51 PM
The 'agency' ones averaged 24 and the non-agency ones averaged 19.  Glamour shots and makeup can cut about 5 years off, so that's nice.
 
2013-04-11 12:20:21 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-11 12:21:28 PM
Ukraine is game to you?
 
2013-04-11 12:23:25 PM
Well that's easy.  The women without a Mercedes and five-bedroom house want to be your mail order bride.  At least until they get them.
 
2013-04-11 12:23:36 PM
Answer is, they all are.


I have a more difficult game, guess which Filipino hooker is a transvestite.
 
2013-04-11 12:23:37 PM
It's like Met-Art, but clothed.
 
2013-04-11 12:24:21 PM

Amusement: Say "yes" to human trafficking.  It's Ukrainians biggest business.  So says your glorious leader from the Best Korea.


Glorious leader can't score because he uses "nodong"
 
2013-04-11 12:31:51 PM
Went to Dnepopetrovsk many years back to watch my football team, and I honestly spent half my time rolling my tongue back into my mouth. The place was swimming in hot blondes. I'm bald and vaguely resemble a potato. I was wearing my kilt, a ginger wig, and an oversized Tam o'shanter. It was amazing how many women wanted to get a picture with me and hang out. Great three days that I stretched out to last two weeks.
 
2013-04-11 12:33:17 PM
Jeez, do they make any that are not 6 feet tall?  wow.

Walking around seems good for them.  I wonder how they transmogrify when they get to the states and drive everywhere.
 
2013-04-11 12:34:56 PM
Plus side Ukrainian women, minus side human trafficking. You win this round Liam
 
2013-04-11 12:36:57 PM
foreign brides..they all end up yoda

but, they do allow you to see which of your american pals couldn't get laid in a morgue
(or the first deployment loss of virginity)
 
2013-04-11 12:39:17 PM
The whole deal has become riddled with scammers. They reach out, establish an email relationship, then ask for money to help them get here to meet you. Whole scam is outlined on this site along with names of the most common names used.

http://www.scammerlist.com/
 
2013-04-11 12:39:33 PM
You?

The correct answer to that question is "None of them".
 
2013-04-11 12:42:16 PM
the whore?

which one is that?
 
2013-04-11 12:42:41 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Jeez, do they make any that are not 6 feet tall?  wow.

Walking around seems good for them.  I wonder how they transmogrify when they get to the states and drive everywhere.


I'm 6'4, So I'm okay with that.
 
2013-04-11 12:43:02 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I have a more difficult game, guess which Filipino hooker is a transvestite.


I don't want to play that game.
 
2013-04-11 12:43:55 PM

monoski: The whole deal has become riddled with scammers. They reach out, establish an email relationship, then ask for money to help them get here to meet you. Whole scam is outlined on this site along with names of the most common names used.

http://www.scammerlist.com/


Ah, the Spanish Prisoner. Queen of the confidence games.
 
2013-04-11 12:44:10 PM

monoski: The whole deal has become riddled with scammers. They reach out, establish an email relationship, then ask for money to help them get here to meet you. Whole scam is outlined on this site along with names of the most common names used.


Even better are the ones that use Ukranian/Russian M.O.B. photos and names, then, somewhere along the line, they've somehow ended up in the hospital in Ghana or Nigeria and really really need you to wire some money.  Just a little more money.

The Lagos boys have been running that scam for years on just about every dating site known to man, but it works out even better with the Ukranian hookup angle.  The guys have volunteered that they're desperately lonely (since they're looking for UA brides).  The horrible English has a plausible explanation.
 
2013-04-11 12:48:15 PM

Infernalist: About 8 years ago, I had a friend fall for a Russian woman that he'd met online.  He excitedly told me about how she was so into him, etc etc etc...He was something of an introvert, so this was good for him and very very bad for him at the same time.

She started asking for money.  I told him to be nice, but politely let her know that he couldn't afford to send her stuff or buy her anything.

She broke up with him the next day.  He was astounded at how quick she turned on him when he didn't turn over the cash.


I'm going to sound totally jaded here because, well, I guess I am.

Many years ago I heard of something like this myself.  I always swore blind that I would never start a relationship with a girl from a poorer country who, whilst she might like me, would also be attracted to my money and the extra security living in my country would bring.  So I carried on dating girls back home.

Years later and a lot of the women I've met on home turf have increased/decreased their interest in me based upon how much money I have/how much I'm willing to spend on them.  I now figure that I might as well start looking to these countries.  I'm an average looking guy with not a whole lot of money.  Girls back home make no effort with me whatsoever.  Most wont even consider me because I don't make enough money.  And no, it's not looks.  I'm average looking and I try for average looking girls.  I'm no fool and I don't expect to snag a model.

I figure if I'm going to get taken for a ride, might as well be by someone more attractive than me who will at least make an effort for a while before leaving.  The end result will be the same either way, but at least I get more out of the bargain that way.
 
2013-04-11 12:48:49 PM
I spent a week one night in Nikolayev. Actually, its Mikolayev, given the Ukrainian spelling (although I think the locals speak Russian on the whole, so YMMV). Gritty little ship-building town. Didn't get to see the ladies, though
 
2013-04-11 12:48:59 PM

abhorrent1: Wait. So those girls that are 16 and 17 are already pimping themselves out for fat, rich, dirty old perv foreign husbands? Chris Hansen needs to get to the Ukraine stat.


No.  None of the teens were ones with the wedding agencies.
 
2013-04-11 12:51:19 PM
"It is really impressive when you walk in the main street of this town and you have the feeling a super posh party is about to start, but it's only 10 a.m.," David De Lossy said via email.

Actually, it should be a sobering reminder than in poor areas, like the Ukraine, India, and Brazil, if you aren't a beautiful woman putting your full effort into physical health and signs of fertility, you're pretty much worthless.  Rejoice, fat and ugly American women.  You can only exist because equality isn't just about whether some guy made some inappropriate comment about boobs in your earshot.
 
2013-04-11 12:54:32 PM

The sound of one hand clapping: Years later and a lot of the women I've met on home turf have increased/decreased their interest in me based upon how much money I have/how much I'm willing to spend on them. I now figure that I might as well start looking to these countries. I'm an average looking guy with not a whole lot of money. Girls back home make no effort with me whatsoever. Most wont even consider me because I don't make enough money. And no, it's not looks. I'm average looking and I try for average looking girls. I'm no fool and I don't expect to snag a model.


Seriously, I know this may sound like a jerk comment, but try caring less about money yourself.  If they won't consider you because you're broke, consider what you're doing that even makes that an issue.  Some people are broke, and some people just don't have much money.  Women tend to reject the former, and be okay with the latter.  If you're an average looking guy who can make a girl laugh and carry on an intelligent conversation, I reject the premise that women are able to deduce your bank statement without you exhibiting defensive behavior or obvious bad choices.
 
2013-04-11 12:55:29 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Answer is, they all are.


I have a more difficult game, guess which Filipino hooker is a transvestite.


Blind man's bluff?
 
2013-04-11 12:56:26 PM
*shrugs* my mom was a mail order bride, to a man 25 years her senior.
Thankfully their particular situation worked out; I'm here (yay!), my modestly wealthy dad bankrolled my mom's education and now shes a fancy pants educational coordinator pulling in $100k. Most my life she was earning her various degrees and working while my dad got to retire, raise me, and tend to his garden.

They are celebrating their 30th wedding anniversary this year by spending 1 week at my mom's house in the Caribbean and 1 week at my dad's villa in Italy.

So you know, it works, you just gotta be extremely thorough when vetting prospective brides. Make sure they share the same values as you do, and that they are good people at heart.
 
2013-04-11 12:56:52 PM
One hand clapping:

Last I checked even in trailer parks men are still hooking up and producing a million kids. Your goals are too high.

Have you tried pursuing your sister?


More seriously there have been scientific studies done where women are shown a photo of a man whom they are told is a doctor and to rate his looks on a 10 point scale.

Another group of women are told he is a trash collector and asked to rate his looks.

Guess which group thought the guy was a 4 out of 10 and which group thought the same guy was a 9 out of 10?

(Don't remember if those were the exact numbers... but it was a HUGE difference)


If you are average looks but poor chances are women think you're ugly.
 
2013-04-11 01:00:35 PM
Incidentally studies have also shown that women will rate a mans appearance as good if they are told that other women did. Or low if told other women did.

Same is not true for men.

It goes to show how a woman ranks your looks has very little to do with how you look.
 
2013-04-11 01:06:40 PM

CleanAndPure: Incidentally studies have also shown that women will rate a mans appearance as good if they are told that other women did they are wealthy. Or low if told other women did they are poor.

 
2013-04-11 01:07:50 PM

Mr Guy: The sound of one hand clapping: Years later and a lot of the women I've met on home turf have increased/decreased their interest in me based upon how much money I have/how much I'm willing to spend on them. I now figure that I might as well start looking to these countries. I'm an average looking guy with not a whole lot of money. Girls back home make no effort with me whatsoever. Most wont even consider me because I don't make enough money. And no, it's not looks. I'm average looking and I try for average looking girls. I'm no fool and I don't expect to snag a model.

Seriously, I know this may sound like a jerk comment, but try caring less about money yourself.  If they won't consider you because you're broke, consider what you're doing that even makes that an issue.  Some people are broke, and some people just don't have much money.  Women tend to reject the former, and be okay with the latter.  If you're an average looking guy who can make a girl laugh and carry on an intelligent conversation, I reject the premise that women are able to deduce your bank statement without you exhibiting defensive behavior or obvious bad choices.


I'm not broke, just not much above minimum wage.  I'm working on that situation everyday by trying to get a better job but right now I remain on a low income (For full disclosure, I make something like £14K per year, not sure what that is in $ but it's pretty low).  I'm really happy with my life, other than that and have never been known to complain about being poor.

And yes, women will date me.  But after a while they figure out that I don't have a whole lot of money.  I get that women want a guy who can provide for them and afford for them to have kids, a house, a car and a few occasional luxuries.  It's just makes it kind of sucky when you aren't one of those guys.  I thought I'd be able to find someone who'd accept that I was never going to be making the big bucks but perhaps not.

/I also realize that I've probably had bad luck with my choices in women too
//Not a whole lot of single women where I am though
/And no, it didn't sound like a jerk comment, you brought up valid points
 
2013-04-11 01:09:31 PM
Anyone even considering this should read Pamela Druckerman's book, "Lust in Translation".

"Mercenary" is the best description of how Russian and Ukrainian women treat marriage.  But she recommends Japan or France.
 
2013-04-11 01:11:44 PM

The sound of one hand clapping: I figure if I'm going to get taken for a ride, might as well be by someone more attractive than me who will at least make an effort for a while before leaving. The end result will be the same either way, but at least I get more out of the bargain that way.


This seems so sad, dude.

I was once a beautiful young man, so I got laid a lot, even though I was penniless.  But I noticed that there were many downright homely men with no more money than I had who got laid a lot too.  Their secret?  Being interesting and not being afraid to ask.

So... get a facial tattoo, start riding a motorcycle, and get a really weird but fascinating hobby, like beekeeping or long distance sailing.  And every pretty woman you meet, ask.

You'll end up with a lot more fun and a lot more self respect.
 
2013-04-11 01:13:19 PM
I know how I can tell...

The REAL Ukrainian women are giving REAL smiles in the photo... the 'agency' one's are FAKE... even the last one, which is a good front.

Look closer... the 'agency' girls give a flat smile with no wrinkles around their eyes.
They are faking a smile.  That's how you can tell.
 
2013-04-11 01:14:12 PM
as a matter of fact, i am currently speaking to a young woman from ukraine that i met on an international dating site.  i haven't had any luck with american dating sites, so i figured i would try another country.  i am very skeptical about the whole thing, but i enjoy talking with her, she seems really sweet.  if we are still talking in a few months i'll probably fly out there and visit her.  if i have to travel to ukraine to find a woman willing to go out with me, then that is what i'll do.
 
2013-04-11 01:18:52 PM

The sound of one hand clapping: Mr Guy: The sound of one hand clapping: Years later and a lot of the women I've met on home turf have increased/decreased their interest in me based upon how much money I have/how much I'm willing to spend on them. I now figure that I might as well start looking to these countries. I'm an average looking guy with not a whole lot of money. Girls back home make no effort with me whatsoever. Most wont even consider me because I don't make enough money. And no, it's not looks. I'm average looking and I try for average looking girls. I'm no fool and I don't expect to snag a model.

Seriously, I know this may sound like a jerk comment, but try caring less about money yourself.  If they won't consider you because you're broke, consider what you're doing that even makes that an issue.  Some people are broke, and some people just don't have much money.  Women tend to reject the former, and be okay with the latter.  If you're an average looking guy who can make a girl laugh and carry on an intelligent conversation, I reject the premise that women are able to deduce your bank statement without you exhibiting defensive behavior or obvious bad choices.

I'm not broke, just not much above minimum wage.  I'm working on that situation everyday by trying to get a better job but right now I remain on a low income (For full disclosure, I make something like £14K per year, not sure what that is in $ but it's pretty low).  I'm really happy with my life, other than that and have never been known to complain about being poor.

And yes, women will date me.  But after a while they figure out that I don't have a whole lot of money.  I get that women want a guy who can provide for them and afford for them to have kids, a house, a car and a few occasional luxuries.  It's just makes it kind of sucky when you aren't one of those guys.  I thought I'd be able to find someone who'd accept that I was never going to be making the big bucks but perhaps not.

/I also realize that I've probably had bad ...


Well for what its worth I dated, fell in love, and married a broke ass n*gga who is, to this day, still a broke ass n*gga.
I knew then, as I know now, that he will never, ever make much if any money. And he'll probably never outpace me, not unless he wins the lotto or comes into an inheritance.

I'm more than happy with our situation; I couldn't fathom being with a man and expecting/wanting him to earn more money than me so he can 'take care of me'. Blech.

Women like me exist, but we're an anomaly I suppose. Unfortunately I don't know where you could find us; I met my husband in college and promptly got that shiat on lock down. I dunno, don't give up though!!
 
2013-04-11 01:18:58 PM

knobmaker: The sound of one hand clapping: I figure if I'm going to get taken for a ride, might as well be by someone more attractive than me who will at least make an effort for a while before leaving. The end result will be the same either way, but at least I get more out of the bargain that way.

This seems so sad, dude.

I was once a beautiful young man, so I got laid a lot, even though I was penniless.  But I noticed that there were many downright homely men with no more money than I had who got laid a lot too.  Their secret?  Being interesting and not being afraid to ask.

So... get a facial tattoo, start riding a motorcycle, and get a really weird but fascinating hobby, like beekeeping or long distance sailing.  And every pretty woman you meet, ask.

You'll end up with a lot more fun and a lot more self respect.


It's not getting dates or getting laid.  I'm not an old man (30) but I'm past that.  All I want is for them to stick around longer than a couple of months.  I think they actually see me as no more than a short term investment.  Hell, I dunno really.

The upside is that being single has allowed me to do some really fun things even on my low income.  If I'd been in a long term relationship since my early twenties I doubt I'd have done half the things I did so there's always balance to everything.  It's just that sometimes I feel like I have a lot to share and no-one to share it with.

/Thank the gods for my friends
 
2013-04-11 01:25:32 PM

vonapathy: Well for what its worth I dated, fell in love, and married a broke ass n*gga who is, to this day, still a broke ass n*gga.
I knew then, as I know now, that he will never, ever make much if any money. And he'll probably never outpace me, not unless he wins the lotto or comes into an inheritance.

I'm more than happy with our situation; I couldn't fathom being with a man and expecting/wanting him to earn more money than me so he can 'take care of me'. Blech.

Women like me exist, but we're an anomaly I suppose. Unfortunately I don't know where you could find us; I met my husband in college and promptly got that shiat on lock down. I dunno, don't give up though!!


This is my theory.  Most of the women like you who go for substance over everything else have already been taken.  And the guys who got you are not going to give you up unless something goes badly wrong.  Most guys just want a woman who is down to earth and fun to be around so they snatch them up quickly.  I have several friends with great partners who are like you.  They don't want the world, just someone who loves them for who they are.

It could be said that my one mistake was not finding a girl like that whilst I was younger and more of them were still single.
 
2013-04-11 01:28:28 PM
Thanks to 419eater.com, I decided to have fun with one scammer who emailed me out of the blue.

It was supposed to be some Russian girl. She included pictures of her in a nice dress and bikini. Right to pattern, the second email had her suddenly having "feelings" for me and wanting to meet me. She asked where I lived.

I live in Canada, but I told her I live in New York and that I lived in an apartment building. I built up a nice lie that made it sound like I was insanely rich. I sent copies to my buddies so they could follow this story. Something like at least half a dozen emails per person. I'm telling this scammer that I spent $15,000 of my own money rewiring the apartment building for better Internet, but this is a temporary place while my penthouse apartment was getting renovated, blah, blah, blah.

"She" wanted to come see me and sent me an proposed itinerary. She didn't ask for money at that point. But, when she went to Moscow, she found out she needed something like $1,000 for some paperwork processing "fees".

I told her I would be glad to reimburse her when she got to New York.

Never heard from her again. Go figure.

Had a friend in Winnipeg who met a "model" on a dating site.  She was also from Winnipeg (how about that!) but was in the UK for a shoot. However, she didn't have the money to get back to Winnipeg and needed something like $500. She didn't outright ask this guy for money, but he said she kept saying she needed it.

At least two of us warned him it was a scam, but he didn't want to listen. He kept talking about her and we kept saying, "She wants YOU to offer the money so she can take it and you will never meet her."

After two months, I asked him, "This has been going on for two months! Where is she getting money for hotel and food????" But, he still didn't want to admit he was getting scammed.

One day he stopped talking about her. I'm guessing he sent the money and never heard from her again. But, with this guy, the scammer probably could have got quite a bit from him if he/she played their cards right.
 
2013-04-11 01:37:56 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Jeez, do they make any that are not 6 feet tall?  wow.


The two sisters I dated in the mid-70s were 5' 1. Adrienne and Yvanka are my only fond memory of Chicago. IDK what it is about Ukraine, but it does produce incredibly hot, uninhibited women.
 
2013-04-11 01:41:29 PM
Attractive women don't have to be mail-order brides. They'll do just fine as the Commissar's pampered gun moll. I mean body guard.

Remember that Ukrainian nurse that was Qaddaffy Duck's body guard until they drove a wooden stake up his butt to kill the butt vampires? Well, like that, only without a passport. Apparently sometimes even the attractive women have to export themselves--but they don't do it via mail order. The Ukraine has some really impressive babes. If you like the Valkyrie type.

For beautiful blondes, the next best thing to a commissar or trophy-wifedom is sometimes a Commie Czar. I bet Putin gets all the babes. Except for his ex-wife's girlfriends. One of them said he was a vampire. So far nobody has dared to try driving a stake up his butt, but there's still plenty of time and billionaire kleptocrats left who aren't his cronies.
 
2013-04-11 01:42:50 PM
Actually, it should be a sobering reminder than in poor areas, like the Ukraine, India, and Brazil, if you aren't a beautiful woman putting your full effort into physical health and signs of fertility, you're pretty much worthless.

It's actually not this at all, it's just that they take pride in their appearance.  I know a lot of Ukrainians from "back home" and they enjoy looking good.  unlike our sweat pant wearing Walmart models.
 
2013-04-11 01:52:46 PM
The sound of one hand clapping:

And yes, women will date me.  But after a while they figure out that I don't have a whole lot of money.

Have you tried being forthright and not leaving finances something that the other person has to figure out?
 
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