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(Slate)   "Dear Prudence, my wife has started taking antidepressants, and since then she has been cheerful and optimistic. I hate it"   (slate.com) divider line 196
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2013-04-11 01:10:34 PM
did she become a woo-girl?


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I had a friend on anti depressants and she bitached that it killed her sex drive. I told her "Honey if we found a pill that made women happy and horny we reclass it to a vitamin and introduce it into the ground water."
 
2013-04-11 01:19:43 PM
I like how the mods throw in a little fiction, kind of like The New Yorker.
 
2013-04-11 02:08:22 PM
Grumpy Cat is feeling this guy's pain.
 
2013-04-11 02:57:46 PM
This shall be a Grumpy Cat thread.

/love that kitteh
 
2013-04-11 02:58:56 PM
Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.
 
2013-04-11 02:59:30 PM
Came here for the grumpy cats.  I'll be back later.
 
2013-04-11 03:01:09 PM
This is a cover. He's actually unhappy that the anti-depressants froze her loins in a block of ice.
 
2013-04-11 03:01:24 PM
I feel like a jerk and don't know what to do. Help!

Stop being a jerk.
~Lenny

P.S.  You're also a dumb fark for thinking your wife would never change over the course of your marriage.
 
2013-04-11 03:03:08 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.


and they tend to let you not give a shiat about anything.  I think that's more what he's pissed off about
 
2013-04-11 03:03:18 PM
 
2013-04-11 03:03:50 PM
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2013-04-11 03:04:44 PM
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2013-04-11 03:04:52 PM
Letters like this expose the fact that Dear Prudence is an exercise in creative writing and is not to be taken seriously.  No ones personality goes through that dramatic a personality change from an antidepressant.
 
2013-04-11 03:08:04 PM
These fake letters are getting worse and worse, Prudence.
 
2013-04-11 03:08:47 PM
I had a psychology profess who quit marriage counseling after a certain client...

He told a married woman with an unsatisfactory sex life to buy a vibrator. BIG MISTAKE (for the husband).

She found herself (often several times a day), grew a pair and told the husband to get the fark out of her life.

The husband told the counselor "thanks a bunch", agreed to a divorce and was never heard from again. The woman decided she didn't need therapy anymore either.
 
2013-04-11 03:09:31 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.


You're thinking of Bipolar medication. Anti-Depresseants just keep you from falling into the pit of self-loathing and hate.
 
2013-04-11 03:10:07 PM
If you're going to run fake advice columns, at least dial it up a bit to include werewolves and satanic day care centers.
 
2013-04-11 03:10:07 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.


Thisis the Dear Prudence article that makes you wonder?

 The question isn't if the articles are made up, it's if the same person writes the Q&A.  Because if so that's some hilarious stuff.
 
2013-04-11 03:10:09 PM
www.knowmemes.com
 
2013-04-11 03:10:26 PM
I didn't know my ex got married.
 
2013-04-11 03:10:31 PM
My wife and I had a conversation/thought experiment about this.

First question: Say I was only nice to be around when I was drinking alcohol. I went to a doctor and he monitored my liver functions and enzymes and agreed that I was under less stress and a nicer person to be around when I had three or four beers a day. I don't drive or operate heavy machinery, and my work output is better or at least unaffected. Question: Is that okay, or not? If not, how is it fundamentally different from being on psychoactive drugs? What if instead of alcohol, I were a functional drug addict on something harsher than alcohol?

Second question: How much are you allowed to alter yourself chemically before one could say that you are no longer "you"? This is a philosophical question, not a moral or ethical one.
If physical monism is true, then the answer is "as much as you want" because all you are is a bag of walking chemicals.
If (certain forms of) dualism is true, then the answer is tougher - at what point are your actions/thoughts/beliefs so fundamentally different from those that your mind would have otherwise created that your inner mind and your outer expression are no longer meaningfully linked?

One of the reasons why I love my wife is because we have conversations like this. In her opinion, the answer to he first question is that as long as you're not harming yourself or others then it's fine (she's a pragmatist). Her answer to the second question is that it's meaningless because physicalism is true.

In my opinion, my answer to the first question is that it's objectively "better" to attempt to deal with whatever issues "on your own" and actually become a different or better person without needing constant modification, though I agreed it may not be possible (I'm an idealist). My answer to the second question was that it's impossible to answer, but not meaningless because (some form of) dualism is true.
 
2013-04-11 03:11:21 PM
Dear Prudence,

My bipolar husband decided to get on medications to try and help stabilize him. That's great for him and all but I have daddy issues and am feeling very bored and decently about myself now that he is not constantly berating me over the smallest issue. Sometimes his anger comes through and I can feel the waves of anxiety washing over me like a warm and dark blanket; but then he catches himself and actually apologizes for his behavior. Now that I don't have someone watching my every move waiting me to fark up I am feeling lonely and appreciated. Please help!

Signed, Crazy biatch
 
2013-04-11 03:11:31 PM
More likely to be caused by the coke-fueled "therapeutic" sex parties she has with her counselor every Tuesday at noon.

That cynical enough for ya', pal?
 
2013-04-11 03:11:49 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: I had a psychology profess who quit marriage counseling after a certain client...

He told a married woman with an unsatisfactory sex life to buy a vibrator. BIG MISTAKE (for the husband).

She found herself (often several times a day), grew a pair and told the husband to get the fark out of her life.

The husband told the counselor "thanks a bunch", agreed to a divorce and was never heard from again. The woman decided she didn't need therapy anymore either.


Prof realized there's more money in sex toys than in marriage counseling?
 
2013-04-11 03:12:31 PM

blatz514: [www.knowmemes.com image 486x578]


That's the first one that has made me lol since the first time I saw him.
 
2013-04-11 03:15:03 PM
What are the name of these pills? How do I sign my wife up?
 
2013-04-11 03:15:13 PM
When I started therapy & antidepressants Mrs. Anomaly said she hoped it didn't change my personality. I reminded her that was the entire point.

Since (it's been several years) she's been happy with the changes (mostly consisting of my ability to talk rationally about future plans instead of assuming that any day now, all of us will be trapped in inescapable poverty).
 
2013-04-11 03:15:50 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.


I had a college friend who went on anti-depressants and it did the opposite.  She went from being down to "OMG We have to party all night!!! If you don't come with me I'll kill myself.  You don't like me.  Nobody likes me.  Let's go out and get wasted!  WOOOOOOO!!!!"

Really bad reaction to the stuff.  Every brain is different, and tinker too much with the chemistry and weird shiat can happen.
 
2013-04-11 03:16:11 PM

God-is-a-Taco: These fake letters are getting worse and worse, Prudence.


Real letters wouldn't get any clicks.

I also love it when I open Parade magazine on Sunday and read that people have sent them "letters" asking inane questions that could have been answered in seconds with Google.
 
xcv
2013-04-11 03:16:53 PM
What's going on in Slate's comment section?
 
2013-04-11 03:17:14 PM
You're supposed to be sad after a funeral, you don't need pills.
 
2013-04-11 03:18:07 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.


I've been depressed for years. I don't have "highs". I have rare periods of "not low" when I distract myself with something or other. If you have highs and lows you're probably more bipolar--as opposed to just depressed.

No, I have no degrees in medicine. Feel free to tell me how I don't know what I'm talking about, then sit on your thumb.
 
2013-04-11 03:18:19 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.


Not necessarily true.
 
2013-04-11 03:18:57 PM

thatboyoverthere: J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.

You're thinking of Bipolar medication. Anti-Depresseants just keep you from falling into the pit of self-loathing and hate.


The best analogy I've seen is that depression is like wearing "shiat-colored glasses", and taking antidepressants is like removing them.

They certainly don't make one "artificially" happy - we have a name for that condition: stoned. If they could get people stoned they'd have street value, and they don't.
 
2013-04-11 03:20:47 PM

HotWingConspiracy: You're supposed to be sad after a funeral, you don't need pills.


What if you aren't sad...don't you need sad pills?
 
2013-04-11 03:20:48 PM

lennavan: I feel like a jerk and don't know what to do. Help!

Stop being a jerk.
~Lenny

P.S.  You're also a dumb fark for thinking your wife would never change over the course of your marriage.


Yea, this sucks..
 
2013-04-11 03:21:29 PM
I had a GF that went on anti-depressants.  She sat in the dark in front of the TV and for weeks at a time.
 
2013-04-11 03:23:29 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: HotWingConspiracy: You're supposed to be sad after a funeral, you don't need pills.

What if you aren't sad...don't you need sad pills?


You've got a future in pharmaceutical sales, kid.
 
2013-04-11 03:24:31 PM

Delawheredad: Letters like this expose the fact that Dear Prudence is an exercise in creative writing and is not to be taken seriously.  No ones personality goes through that dramatic a personality change from an antidepressant.


That's my experience with quite a few people.  I've never seen antidepressants do much to anyone.  Heck, most people say they don't work at all.  Or just barely.

To each their own- if they work for you, awesome.  Just not my experience.
 
2013-04-11 03:24:33 PM
What do you think would be harder?  Getting off paxil or getting off a fat wife?

Hope I never need to find out.
 
2013-04-11 03:25:06 PM
Dear Abby, Dear Abby,

My wife takes a pill,
She's so farkin' happy it's making me ill.
It was better before when she was just sad,
This eternal sunshine just makes me feel bad.

Sign me, Pessimistic.
 
2013-04-11 03:26:19 PM

xcv: What's going on in Slate's comment section?


World's most obnoxious troll, who learned that they have a ridiculous character limit to their screen names.
 
2013-04-11 03:26:22 PM

EdNortonsTwin: What do you think would be harder? Getting off paxil or getting off a fat wife?


I don't know, but my ex couldn't get off while he was one paxil...
 
2013-04-11 03:26:44 PM
They should bring back Laudlam for housewives.
 
2013-04-11 03:26:56 PM
My best antidepressant is steroids. Not having constant allergy attacks make me perfectly happy. Allegra and zertec suck.
 
2013-04-11 03:27:00 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-11 03:27:01 PM

CapeFearCadaver: EdNortonsTwin: What do you think would be harder? Getting off paxil or getting off a fat wife?

I don't know, but my ex couldn't get off while he was one paxil...


goddammit.
 
2013-04-11 03:27:27 PM

Lord Dimwit: My wife and I had a conversation/thought experiment about this.

First question: Say I was only nice to be around when I was drinking alcohol. I went to a doctor and he monitored my liver functions and enzymes and agreed that I was under less stress and a nicer person to be around when I had three or four beers a day. I don't drive or operate heavy machinery, and my work output is better or at least unaffected. Question: Is that okay, or not? If not, how is it fundamentally different from being on psychoactive drugs? What if instead of alcohol, I were a functional drug addict on something harsher than alcohol?

Second question: How much are you allowed to alter yourself chemically before one could say that you are no longer "you"? This is a philosophical question, not a moral or ethical one.
If physical monism is true, then the answer is "as much as you want" because all you are is a bag of walking chemicals.
If (certain forms of) dualism is true, then the answer is tougher - at what point are your actions/thoughts/beliefs so fundamentally different from those that your mind would have otherwise created that your inner mind and your outer expression are no longer meaningfully linked?

One of the reasons why I love my wife is because we have conversations like this. In her opinion, the answer to he first question is that as long as you're not harming yourself or others then it's fine (she's a pragmatist). Her answer to the second question is that it's meaningless because physicalism is true.

In my opinion, my answer to the first question is that it's objectively "better" to attempt to deal with whatever issues "on your own" and actually become a different or better person without needing constant modification, though I agreed it may not be possible (I'm an idealist). My answer to the second question was that it's impossible to answer, but not meaningless because (some form of) dualism is true.


So in other words you convinced your wife to let you stay buzzed all the time by using a philosophical argument?

High five!
 
2013-04-11 03:27:28 PM

HotWingConspiracy: You're supposed to be sad after a funeral, you don't need pills.


Yep.  I've had periods of what would clinically be called depression and doctors and therapist are alarmingly quick to suggest drug treatment for what I would describe as situational temporary depression.  Grief of a loved one.  Losing a job.  Bad thing happening to you.

These things are not supposed to be easy to deal with.  But if you are largely functional and progressively improving, then you're dealing with life, not a medical issue.

My mom took antidepressants after both parents died.  Right after.  No waiting a week or two to see how she felt.  Just sad=medication.  All part of the modern mentality that medicine can cure everything.  At least this is just drug therapy and not throwing billions of dollars of risky surgery and medical intervention at dying shells of people.
 
2013-04-11 03:28:03 PM

CapeFearCadaver: EdNortonsTwin: What do you think would be harder? Getting off paxil or getting off a fat wife?

I don't know, but my ex couldn't get off while he was one paxil...


Lots of people have that reaction to these mood stabilizers.
 
xcv
2013-04-11 03:29:07 PM

meanmutton: xcv: What's going on in Slate's comment section?

World's most obnoxious troll, who learned that they have a ridiculous character limit to their screen names.


And no line break so everything fits neatly on the screen either apparently.
 
2013-04-11 03:29:30 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: thatboyoverthere: J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.

You're thinking of Bipolar medication. Anti-Depresseants just keep you from falling into the pit of self-loathing and hate.

The best analogy I've seen is that depression is like wearing "shiat-colored glasses", and taking antidepressants is like removing them.

They certainly don't make one "artificially" happy - we have a name for that condition: stoned. If they could get people stoned they'd have street value, and they don't.


Actually, my experience has been that they can make one 'happy'. At a former gig a colleague's wife took antidepressants which gave her a constantly sunny disposition, even when the situation was not that rosy. We even called her "Happy" behind their backs. I only found this out because one morning I remarked to him that his wife certainly seemed chipper that morning (she came to work with him, then left to do something else), to which he replied something about her being that way when she took her meds on time.

I wanted to crawl into a hole, but he seemed matter of fact about it. And no, I don't what was 'wrong', nor what meds she was on. Kind'a creepy, tho.
 
2013-04-11 03:30:18 PM
Gimme that z, o-l-o-f-t
Gimme a grip, make me love me
Suckin' 'em down, I'm happy man
Can feel it inside, makin' me smile

...realize that the sky's not made of gold
Don't disguise the nature of your soul

Gimme that z, o-l-o-f-t
No longer pissed and you don't bother me
I'm makin' it through, I'm givin' my all
When base are loaded, I'm whacking the ball

...don't suck the mind, don't drain the source
The path of life's not so easy to course, buddy
 
2013-04-11 03:30:26 PM
Paxil us a hellof a drug. They put me on it before they diagnosed me with OCD and it made me go absolutely bat shiat crazy. Which actually helped them to properly diagnose me because the type if batshiat crazy it made me go was exactly the type of batshiat crazy a person with OCD would go if you pumped them full of that much Paxil all at once.
 
2013-04-11 03:30:42 PM

CapeFearCadaver: EdNortonsTwin: What do you think would be harder? Getting off paxil or getting off a fat wife?

I don't know, but my ex couldn't get off while he was one paxil...


Was he annoyingly cheerful? Because I can't get my nut and laugh at the same time.
 
2013-04-11 03:31:03 PM
I was married to a suicidal cutter. One day she carved words into the bottom of her feet because "God was out to get her." She eventually got better, more through therapy than medication. Once she was healthy she dumped me because my very presence reminded her of when she was sick. What a FUN twenty years that was! I got two great kids out of it or it would have been a total waste of time.
 
2013-04-11 03:32:15 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: I had a psychology profess who quit marriage counseling after a certain client...

He told a married woman with an unsatisfactory sex life to buy a vibrator. BIG MISTAKE (for the husband).

She found herself (often several times a day), grew a pair and told the husband to get the fark out of her life.

The husband told the counselor "thanks a bunch", agreed to a divorce and was never heard from again. The woman decided she didn't need therapy anymore either.


I'm not seeing why this was a failure.  Being a marriage counselor means fixing things by highlighting problems.  Sometimes that problem is there is fundamental incompatibility and the prudent thing is to not be together any more.  Sounds like that's what happened here.  Mission accomplished!
 
2013-04-11 03:32:33 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.


And make you want to vote for democrats.
 
2013-04-11 03:32:45 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: I had a psychology profess who quit marriage counseling after a certain client...

He told a married woman with an unsatisfactory sex life to buy a vibrator. BIG MISTAKE (for the husband).

She found herself (often several times a day), grew a pair and told the husband to get the fark out of her life.

The husband told the counselor "thanks a bunch", agreed to a divorce and was never heard from again. The woman decided she didn't need therapy anymore either.


Why would anyone continue going to marriage counseling when they dont have a marriage anymore?
 
2013-04-11 03:33:53 PM

Delawheredad: I was married to a suicidal cutter. One day she carved words into the bottom of her feet because "God was out to get her." She eventually got better, more through therapy than medication. Once she was healthy she dumped me because my very presence reminded her of when she was sick. What a FUN twenty years that was! I got two great kids out of it or it would have been a total waste of time.


My feet curled up into little balls reading that. The thought just... ugh
 
2013-04-11 03:34:25 PM
Beware if your wife/gf/mistress starts to take antidepressants or anti anxiety pills.  They will lose about half of their libido.

Better mood, less sex.

screw you, laws of inverse proportions
 
2013-04-11 03:34:57 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: TheShavingofOccam123: I had a psychology profess who quit marriage counseling after a certain client...

He told a married woman with an unsatisfactory sex life to buy a vibrator. BIG MISTAKE (for the husband).

She found herself (often several times a day), grew a pair and told the husband to get the fark out of her life.

The husband told the counselor "thanks a bunch", agreed to a divorce and was never heard from again. The woman decided she didn't need therapy anymore either.

Why would anyone continue going to marriage counseling when they dont have a marriage anymore?


Health insurance....
 
2013-04-11 03:36:38 PM

Bruxellensis: Beware if your wife/gf/mistress starts to take antidepressants or anti anxiety pills.  They will lose about half of their libido.

Better mood, less sex.

screw you, laws of inverse proportions


Less sex with you, better mood.  Is it really the pills?
 
2013-04-11 03:37:08 PM

EdNortonsTwin: CapeFearCadaver: EdNortonsTwin: What do you think would be harder? Getting off paxil or getting off a fat wife?

I don't know, but my ex couldn't get off while he was one paxil...

Was he annoyingly cheerful? Because I can't get my nut and laugh at the same time.


Good lord no. That man's never been cheerful, much less annoyingly so.

He was using it as a supplementation on top of a slew of other medications for bipolar with intermittent explosive disorder. The thing I noticed while he was on paxil was that he was more... himself. They did help him, at least with the immediately running to his hulksmashrage any time things didn't go his way. But, he got off of them because he couldn't get off... or it took him too much time to.
 
2013-04-11 03:39:11 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: I had a psychology profess who quit marriage counseling after a certain client...
He told a married woman with an unsatisfactory sex life to buy a vibrator. BIG MISTAKE (for the husband).
She found herself (often several times a day), grew a pair and told the husband to get the fark out of her life.  The husband told the counselor "thanks a bunch", agreed to a divorce and was never heard from again. The woman decided she didn't need therapy anymore either.


When I studied chemical dependency counseling, one of the 'typical' circumstances we covered was the alcoholic who stopped drinking--and then left his or her family.  Most therapy is for an individual, but the dynamic affects the entire family.   One case example included a wife who would keep putting the alcoholic's favorite brandy on the same table as always--starting the hour he got back from rehab.    'The status quo must be preserved' is a common motivation.
 
2013-04-11 03:39:42 PM

JonZoidberg: God-is-a-Taco: These fake letters are getting worse and worse, Prudence.

Real letters wouldn't get any clicks.

I also love it when I open Parade magazine on Sunday and read that people have sent them "letters" asking inane questions that could have been answered in seconds with Google.


And inexplicably always about some celebrity who hasn't been heard form in years, but was recently given their own afternoon talk show.
 
2013-04-11 03:40:38 PM

Deep Contact: They should bring back Laudlam for housewives.


It's called Vicodin.
 
2013-04-11 03:42:11 PM

ohdoublereally: J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.

And make you want to vote for democrats.


You got lost on your way to the politics tab.
 
2013-04-11 03:42:15 PM
I'm 55 now and have known I was bipolar since I was 13. No meds until I was 40 when I was clinically depressed and put on Paxil and Lithium. The Lithium made me mellow out and also "helped" me put on 25 pounds. The Paxil kept me from getting depressed but it doesn't just truncate depression, it truncates all emotion. Look up "emotional blunting" sometime and you'll get the picture. Empathy for others is hard when you're in that state and it's hard to maintain any kind of relationships without being able to feel anything for others.

Paxil also causes the lovely side effect of preventing ejaculation, great for the ladies I guess.

I started real therapy and meditating about two years ago and the combo was starting to help with emotional control. Then last October I was laid off, lost medical benefits and could no longer afford any prescriptions.

I don't miss the meds at all. I've lost 30 pounds and I'm in better shape and have more energy than I've had in decades. The therapy I'd undergone helped me face internal issues. I'm no Birkenstock-wearing granola-crunchy person but the meditation really does help.

But if you need the meds you just need them, irregardless of anyone else's needs. Just be careful that you don't think the meds are a silver bullet.
 
2013-04-11 03:42:39 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.


When I was put on Paxil I had this desperate need to be seen as "fixed" which made me crank up the "look how happy I am" routine. Which eventually lead to "the only way this shiat is going to work is if I take the whole bottle at once". Which lead to a few months stay in a mental hospital while they tried to figure out what is wrong with me.

It could be her "happy happy, joy joy" mood is just an act to reassure everyone around her she is "fixed" now.

In which case watch out because you can only keep that routine up for so long and when it falls it falls hard.
 
2013-04-11 03:43:13 PM

Delawheredad: Letters like this expose the fact that Dear Prudence is an exercise in creative writing and is not to be taken seriously.  No ones personality goes through that dramatic a personality change from an antidepressant.


mine did. (venlafaxine 150mg) never felt better in my whole life. yrly
 
2013-04-11 03:44:15 PM
Did you see that Grumpy Cat recently had a birthday?

cdn.grumpycats.com

Or that she recently met Anderson Cooper?

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-04-11 03:45:03 PM

The Snow Dog: I've been depressed for years. I don't have "highs". I have rare periods of "not low" when I distract myself with something or other. If you have highs and lows you're probably more bipolar--as opposed to just depressed.


Normal people are happy sometimes, and sad other times. Bi-polar is when people experience extremes of each, often switching between them in a matter of minutes for no apparent reason.

The general consensus from those who've spent a long time on anti-depressants seems to be that sure they're not depressed anymore, but they're not exactly happy, either. They experience a sort of dumbness. Just google 'anti-depressants numbness' to see what i'm talking about.
 
2013-04-11 03:46:07 PM

MuToiD_MaN: Came here for the grumpy cats.  I'll be back later.


Same here.  Ahh... much better.
 
2013-04-11 03:46:26 PM

barc0001: I'm not seeing why this was a failure.  Being a marriage counselor means fixing things by highlighting problems.  Sometimes that problem is there is fundamental incompatibility and the prudent thing is to not be together any more.  Sounds like that's what happened here.  Mission accomplished!



Goddamn right.  My mom's marriage counselor told her to ditch her last husband.  Good advice, too.  Turns out the local transvestite escort service refused to service him anymore because it his poor manners with the ladies.  I guess that made him a little jumpy around the house, and his pr0n habit went from three figures per year to four.

/but seriously, who pays for pr0n?
 
2013-04-11 03:47:04 PM

INeedAName: What are the name of these pills? How do I sign my wife up?


The article stated that she is taking Paxil, a pill I used to take.  It does not make rainbows fly out your ass like the guy in the article stated.  I can only guess that (if the letter was real), the guy considers anything without some sort sarcasm and gloom to be filled with annoying happiness and rainbows.  Hmmmm, maybe he's a Farker.
 
2013-04-11 03:47:42 PM

Elegy: This is a cover. He's actually unhappy that the anti-depressants froze her loins in a block of ice.


Paxil is known to do this.

/unfortunate suffering spouse... well, until it became too much(or too little, as it were) and got divorced
 
2013-04-11 03:47:45 PM

Ghastly: J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.

When I was put on Paxil I had this desperate need to be seen as "fixed" which made me crank up the "look how happy I am" routine. Which eventually lead to "the only way this shiat is going to work is if I take the whole bottle at once". Which lead to a few months stay in a mental hospital while they tried to figure out what is wrong with me.

It could be her "happy happy, joy joy" mood is just an act to reassure everyone around her she is "fixed" now.

In which case watch out because you can only keep that routine up for so long and when it falls it falls hard.


I haz a sad for you. Any way I can encourage you to post that pic of you in a steampunk
kilt, hands on hips, giving the 1000 yard stare? That's some serious SSRI for me!

(totally fancy you in that shot, btw)
 
2013-04-11 03:47:46 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Dear Prudence,

My bipolar husband decided to get on medications to try and help stabilize him. That's great for him and all but I have daddy issues and am feeling very bored and decently about myself now that he is not constantly berating me over the smallest issue. Sometimes his anger comes through and I can feel the waves of anxiety washing over me like a warm and dark blanket; but then he catches himself and actually apologizes for his behavior. Now that I don't have someone watching my every move waiting me to fark up I am feeling lonely and appreciated. Please help!

Signed, Crazy biatch


Dear C B:

I can't tell you what you should do, but I can tell you what you are going to do. You are going to go out and find another tatted up bipolar lunatic who resembles your husband when he goes off his meds, you are going to bang him for six months behind your husbands back before surprising your husband with divorce papers (he doesn't notice as much now that he's not up in your business 24-7). Then you are going to move in with the new guy and have a joyously abusive time for about three months before calling your ex to come rescue you. By this time he will have gone off his meds and started using drugs again. He won't even be able to rescue himself, much less you.

-Prudence
 
2013-04-11 03:49:06 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Bruxellensis: Beware if your wife/gf/mistress starts to take antidepressants or anti anxiety pills.  They will lose about half of their libido.

Better mood, less sex.

screw you, laws of inverse proportions

Less sex with you, better mood.  Is it really the pills?


I did ponder that possibility.  Then I remembered that I sex awesome.

And cause is always before effect.
 
2013-04-11 03:50:27 PM
Yep. just keep handing out mood altering drugs like candy to everyone.
Then wonder why there's so many mass shootings.
 
2013-04-11 03:51:36 PM
Dear Prudence: My favorite time-wasting website has started taking kickbacks from Slate to run endless links to Dear Prudence columns that are largely fictitious letters written by Slate's staff, so that  a fictitious person called Prudence can write fictitious answers pretending to provide advice while merely bulking out the column inches to fit some more ads in. I hate it.
 
2013-04-11 03:52:06 PM

i found tha a quarterbhcompy: Elegy: This is a cover. He's actually unhappy that the anti-depressants froze her loins in a block of ice.

Paxil is known to do this.

/unfortunate suffering spouse... well, until it became too much(or too little, as it were) and got divorced


I found that a quarter of a 'blue-diamond' each makes all the difference. (yeas... it works with wimmins, too)
 
2013-04-11 03:52:20 PM

meanmutton: ohdoublereally: J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.

And make you want to vote for democrats.

You got lost on your way to the politics tab.


I try not to go there during lunch.
 
2013-04-11 03:52:44 PM

that was my nickname in highschool: but seriously, who pays for pr0n?


People who like porn but not the gonzo style that makes up the vast majority of free porn?
 
2013-04-11 03:53:20 PM

doubled99: Yep. just keep handing out mood altering drugs like candy to everyone.
Then wonder why there's so many mass shootings.


guns don't kill people, doctors kill people. ahmarite?
 
2013-04-11 03:53:38 PM
I starting taking Zoloft when my lack of getting laid started meaning I was coming home angry and mean just about every day.  It worked great for me.  My wife still doesn't put out, but I don't give much of a shiat about it anymore.
 
2013-04-11 03:58:07 PM

meanmutton: that was my nickname in highschool: but seriously, who pays for pr0n?

People who like porn but not the gonzo style that makes up the vast majority of free porn?



I'm sure he had interesting tastes.
 
2013-04-11 03:58:34 PM
The other annoying side effect of Paxil besides the super suicidal thoughts part was it made me hyper horny but completely unable to orgasm. Didn't matter how many transexual Asian swathed choked me while I masturbated with a dead chicken. I still couldn't cum.
 
2013-04-11 03:58:38 PM
I was on Zoloft for about a year after a few nasty events had left me depressed to the point where I could barely get out of bed. At least in the first month or two, it really did make me feel a lot more bubbly and a little punch-drunk; it was, as someone else said, like removing shiat-coloured glasses and thinking "Wait! Everything's OK after all! The world is a beautiful place! YAAAAY!" After I got used to it I mellowed out.
 
2013-04-11 03:58:50 PM

doubled99: Yep. just keep handing out mood altering drugs like candy to everyone.
Then wonder why there's so many mass shootings.


Um, the cause of many of those shooting was a lack of strong antipsychotics, not the opposite.
 
2013-04-11 03:59:53 PM
That was suppsed to be transexual Asian dwarves.... But you probably figured that out on your own.
 
2013-04-11 04:00:52 PM
Between this and the "Kiny Mom" story, what the hell is wrong with some of these guys?

To copy and paste a cliche: Isn't it every guy's fantasy to have an angel during the day and a devil at night?

I know that's why I like my wife.
 
2013-04-11 04:01:55 PM
You'd think that Emo Husband would be glad that his now cheerful wife is leaving more mascara for him.
 
2013-04-11 04:03:06 PM

gweilo8888: Dear Prudence: My favorite time-wasting website has started taking kickbacks from Slate to run endless links to Dear Prudence columns that are largely fictitious letters written by Slate's staff, so that  a fictitious person called Prudence can write fictitious answers pretending to provide advice while merely bulking out the column inches to fit some more ads in. I hate it.


Dear gweilo8888,

Gosh, that sounds awful! I find that when I'm feeling down about things like this, I like to visit a little website called BUZZFEED™. Whenever I go to BUZZFEED™, I find the latest trends on the internet, distilled into simple, easy-to-understand BUZZFEED™ slideshows. It's great, because not only do you get the latest content from other websites with BUZZFEED™ captions added onto it, you also get to hear that delightful clicking noise your mouse makes, again and again!

Just make sure to visit all of the BUZZFEED™ links on Fark. You won't miss them, because there's a lot of them!

Sincerely,

Drew

P.S. BUZZFEED™
 
2013-04-11 04:03:07 PM

gweilo8888: Dear Prudence: My favorite time-wasting website has started taking kickbacks from Slate to run endless links to Dear Prudence columns that are largely fictitious letters written by Slate's staff, so that  a fictitious person called Prudence can write fictitious answers pretending to provide advice while merely bulking out the column inches to fit some more ads in. I hate it.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-11 04:03:47 PM

NutWrench: The Onion:  FDA Approves Depressant Drug For The Annoyingly Cheerful


It's called 'alcohol'
 
2013-04-11 04:03:51 PM
I like that she told the last girl, who hates her life, to move to Baltimore.

Lulz!
 
2013-04-11 04:08:15 PM

meanmutton: that was my nickname in highschool: but seriously, who pays for pr0n?

People who like porn but not the gonzo style that makes up the vast majority of free porn?


payed supermodel porn for those whose lifestyles make them as ripped as the male actors. Gonzo for the rest of us slobs.

There's a market for every fetish imaginable. Fat, hairy blokes pounding their evening's 'doggybag' form their bar is much more realistic, thus having a greater appeal to the masses. unachievable goddesses shot in artsy HD? Most guys out there are 'meh' about paying the 50$ a month to see prepubescent (shavenhaven) girls doing things in an overproduced fashion isn't that 'hot', unless you've never had sex (with anything other than you hand). There's a glut in the market for this kind of gonzo, (easier, cheaper to shoot) Mainstream porn companies (looking at you Vivid Video) are all about DVD sales. It's an outmoded concept.

/porn-addict-rant

/POV gonzo FTW
 
2013-04-11 04:09:44 PM

Ghastly: The other annoying side effect of Paxil besides the super suicidal thoughts part was it made me hyper horny but completely unable to orgasm. Didn't matter how many transexual Asian swathed choked me while I masturbated with a dead chicken. I still couldn't cum.


pics. eip.
 
2013-04-11 04:13:49 PM

uttertosh: Ghastly: The other annoying side effect of Paxil besides the super suicidal thoughts part was it made me hyper horny but completely unable to orgasm. Didn't matter how many transexual Asian swathed choked me while I masturbated with a dead chicken. I still couldn't cum.

pics. eip.


Hell, I already finished.
 
2013-04-11 04:16:17 PM

gweilo8888: Dear Prudence: My favorite time-wasting website has started taking kickbacks from Slate to run endless links to Dear Prudence columns that are largely fictitious letters written by Slate's staff, so that  a fictitious person called Prudence can write fictitious answers pretending to provide advice while merely bulking out the column inches to fit some more ads in. I hate it.


Gosh, that does sound annoying! Have you ever thought of switching to another time-wasting website, such as Reddit, Jezebel, io9, or Yahoo Answers? I find that most time-wasting websites are just the same stories that have been passed around the Internet like your mom at one of your father's lodge meetings. By the time they get to the sites above, they're already a bit ragged and overexposed, anyway. I doubt your favorite time-wasting website is terribly different from any others, and so the net result would be that you succeed in wasting your time and you get caught up on the absolutely useless information that passes for news, entertainment, and conversation in our modern society.

If you're really sick of it, though, you could always try to aid in creating a big-time comeback for YTMND or eBaum's World, or alternately, you could stick a dildo up your ass and log in to 4chan.

- Prudence
 
2013-04-11 04:19:09 PM
So are Prudence and the Daily Fail stuff the new comment-bait, now that the election bullshiat is (temporarily) behind us?
Because this shiat is ... worse.
 
2013-04-11 04:20:11 PM

CapeFearCadaver: EdNortonsTwin: CapeFearCadaver: EdNortonsTwin: What do you think would be harder? Getting off paxil or getting off a fat wife?

I don't know, but my ex couldn't get off while he was one paxil...

Was he annoyingly cheerful? Because I can't get my nut and laugh at the same time.

Good lord no. That man's never been cheerful, much less annoyingly so.

He was using it as a supplementation on top of a slew of other medications for bipolar with intermittent explosive disorder. The thing I noticed while he was on paxil was that he was more... himself. They did help him, at least with the immediately running to his hulksmashrage any time things didn't go his way. But, he got off of them because he couldn't get off... or it took him too much time to.


That was probably nice...at first....for you.  *laughs*.
 
2013-04-11 04:20:27 PM

Delawheredad: I was married to a suicidal cutter. One day she carved words into the bottom of her feet because "God was out to get her." She eventually got better, more through therapy than medication. Once she was healthy she dumped me because my very presence reminded her of when she was sick. What a FUN twenty years that was! I got two great kids out of it or it would have been a total waste of time.


wtf!  the biatch OWES you for putting up with her and nursing her back to health.  what a coont.

Thanks for years of selflessly helping me life-mate!  Time to dump you!
 
2013-04-11 04:20:46 PM
To the question whether anti-depressants make you happy, he answer is (surprise surprise) depends on the person and the anti-depressant.  I recently went on a low dose of zoloft for seasonal-affective and it made a world of difference.  Made me happier, more outgoing, and even made me feel stronger and put on muscle. (in theory due to an overall decrease of stress and therefore cortisol)  Two of my friends came forward and said they tried Zoloft and it turned them into listless zombies, so it definitely depends.
 
2013-04-11 04:22:17 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Hell, I already finished.


Dr Tosh M.D. prescribes you venlafaxine. Stat (that way Ghastly might come too!?!)
 
2013-04-11 04:25:11 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I had a friend on anti depressants and she bitached that it killed her sex drive. I told her "Honey if we found a pill that made women happy and horny we reclass it to a vitamin and introduce it into the ground water."


Wellbutrin. If i recall it is used off label to increase the female libido.
 
2013-04-11 04:25:46 PM

doubled99: Yep. just keep handing out mood altering drugs like candy to everyone.
Then wonder why there's so many mass shootings.


Good point. Easy way to test this - how many mass shootings were due to an over-medicated individual?  Count them up.  I'll wait.

Snark aside, nearly every mass shooting is a story of a person who needed treatment (including medication) and DIDN'T get it.  Over-treatment isn't a problem.  Quite the opposite.  Think about what you're typing.  You'll look far less silly.
 
2013-04-11 04:28:28 PM

uttertosh: meanmutton: that was my nickname in highschool: but seriously, who pays for pr0n?

People who like porn but not the gonzo style that makes up the vast majority of free porn?

payed supermodel porn for those whose lifestyles make them as ripped as the male actors. Gonzo for the rest of us slobs.

There's a market for every fetish imaginable. Fat, hairy blokes pounding their evening's 'doggybag' form their bar is much more realistic, thus having a greater appeal to the masses. unachievable goddesses shot in artsy HD? Most guys out there are 'meh' about paying the 50$ a month to see prepubescent (shavenhaven) girls doing things in an overproduced fashion isn't that 'hot', unless you've never had sex (with anything other than you hand). There's a glut in the market for this kind of gonzo, (easier, cheaper to shoot) Mainstream porn companies (looking at you Vivid Video) are all about DVD sales. It's an outmoded concept.

/porn-addict-rant

/POV gonzo FTW


what's gonzo porn? and no I can't google that right now.
 
2013-04-11 04:29:03 PM
http://www.ted.com/talks/sherwin_nuland_on_electroshock_therapy.html

Watched this not one hour ago. At 22 minutes it may be long for some people but well worth the time
for those seriously interested in depression treatment.
Caution: some language NSFW
 
2013-04-11 04:31:57 PM
From the article just below:
My husband and I are both politically liberal, support public radio, donate to the ACLU, and both have gay and lesbian friends. He thinks it's funny, however, to adopt a stereotypical gay lisp from time to time when telling a story or a joke.


LOL. The article just below is always funnier.
 
2013-04-11 04:32:59 PM

Bruxellensis: Beware if your wife/gf/mistress starts to take antidepressants or anti anxiety pills.  They will lose about half of their libido.

Better mood, less sex.

screw you, laws of inverse proportions


It still may be a net improvement, depending on their previous mood. Lap dances from crying strippers aside, depression itself can kill one's libido (and/or one's partner's).
 
2013-04-11 04:33:29 PM
Wow, what a selfish a$$hole.  "My wife wasn't happy before, but now she is and I hate it"?  What kind of husband WANTS his wife to be depressed?  Does he have a life insurance policy on her and was hoping to cash it in soon?  Honestly, though, it sounds like he is also depressed and can't stand the thought of his wife being happy while he is not.  Maybe he should take something for it :P
 
2013-04-11 04:34:01 PM
I remember trying an anti-anxiety drug some years back on the advice of m on-again, off-again ex, because she took a sub-therapeutic dose of paxil and suggested I try something similar. My first shock was when the person I assumed was the skanky admin turned out to be the doctor asked me a few questions, and I realized that I was answering her like a real person instead of someone answering a questionnaire in order to buy drugs.

My second shock was the actual effect, pegged at a month of acclimatization or something. Frankly I'm fuzzy on the details because it was like being on crappy mushrooms all the time. Given how I react to pseudo-ephedrine in cold medication, I probably should never have taken it. Anyhow, eventually the profuse sweating caused a fungal bloom: hands, feed, crotch, everywhere. The skin on my hands was essentially rotting off, and it looked like it, and I didn't feel safe driving to boot.

These days I don't care how much life sucks, so long as I don't have to go back on that medication. So yeah, drugs, your mileage may vary.
 
2013-04-11 04:40:37 PM

monoski: paxil


I was on Paxil for several months in college due to an awful brush with panic disorder (multiple panic attacks a day, including one immediately on waking up in the morning).  It was gangbusters at stopping the panic attacks, which was really what I needed.  I was able to catch my breath and let some therapy work.  However, it almost totally removed my ability to orgasm, or to really enjoy much of anything.  My poor boyfriend was very nice about it, but it's hard when your girlfriend isn't really interested any dates.  It didn't stop me from getting horny, which was the most torturous part.  I remember once trying for half an hour, and just as I was getting there we were interrupted.  I actually burst out in tears I was so frustrated.

Psychoactive drugs can really, really help.  They are especially important for illnesses like panic disorder, like bipolar disorder, like schizophrenia because those illnesses seriously screw with your life and all the lives of the people you interact with.  But man, we're new to tinkering with brain chemistry and sometimes all the options for toning down your symptoms suck at letting you enjoy anything.
 
2013-04-11 04:40:56 PM

Cagey B: gweilo8888: Dear Prudence: My favorite time-wasting website has started taking kickbacks from Slate to run endless links to Dear Prudence columns that are largely fictitious letters written by Slate's staff, so that  a fictitious person called Prudence can write fictitious answers pretending to provide advice while merely bulking out the column inches to fit some more ads in. I hate it.

Dear gweilo8888,

Gosh, that sounds awful! I find that when I'm feeling down about things like this, I like to visit a little website called BUZZFEED™. Whenever I go to BUZZFEED™, I find the latest trends on the internet, distilled into simple, easy-to-understand BUZZFEED™ slideshows. It's great, because not only do you get the latest content from other websites with BUZZFEED™ captions added onto it, you also get to hear that delightful clicking noise your mouse makes, again and again!

Just make sure to visit all of the BUZZFEED™ links on Fark. You won't miss them, because there's a lot of them!

Sincerely,

Drew

P.S. BUZZFEED™


^If only I could like this about 1,000 times, I would.
 
2013-04-11 04:41:23 PM
SuperNinjaToad:  what's gonzo porn? and no I can't google that right now.

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-04-11 04:42:52 PM
this isn't so odd. if she's happy, and happy being happy, then that's the final judgement.
but if the personality of the person you know changes in fundamental ways, that's really disturbing, and it's no shame to say so.
 
2013-04-11 04:46:28 PM
I (or someone I know) once took (insert medication name) and it made me (feel better/feel worse/feel exactly the same/hallucinate/experience side effects listed on the label/experience side effects not listed on the label) therefore (everyone/no one) should take (insert medication name).

Did I manage to sum up 98% of this thread?
 
2013-04-11 04:47:28 PM
Yep. just keep handing out mood altering drugs like candy to everyone.
Then wonder why there's so many mass shootings.

Um, the cause of many of those shooting was a lack of strong antipsychotics, not the opposite.


Another fool
 
2013-04-11 04:49:00 PM

museamused: I (or someone I know) once took (insert medication name) and it made me (feel better/feel worse/feel exactly the same/hallucinate/experience side effects listed on the label/experience side effects not listed on the label) therefore (everyone/no one) should take (insert medication name).

Did I manage to sum up 98% of this thread?


Only about 60%, 40% of the thread is dedicated to shouting "FAAAAAKE" in Prudie's direction.
 
2013-04-11 04:49:09 PM
Good point. Easy way to test this - how many mass shootings were due to an over-medicated individual?  Count them up.  I'll wait.
Snark aside, nearly every mass shooting is a story of a person who needed treatment (including medication) and DIDN'T get it.  Over-treatment isn't a problem.  Quite the opposite.  Think about what you're typing.  You'll look far less silly.



...and another. I see everyone is indoctrinated.
Go big Pharm!
 
2013-04-11 04:50:35 PM
Good point. Easy way to test this - how many mass shootings were due to an over-medicated individual?  Count them up.  I'll wait.
Snark aside, nearly every mass shooting is a story of a person who needed treatment (including medication) and DIDN'T get it.  Over-treatment isn't a problem.  Quite the opposite.  Think about what you're typing.  You'll look far less silly.


...and another. I see everyone is indoctrinated.
Go big Pharm!
 
2013-04-11 04:54:08 PM
What kind of pill can I give my wife so she will stop putting her drink next to the laptop, resulting in the eventual drink spilled on the keyboard and two laptops fried?

/besides the blue lead pill.
 
2013-04-11 04:54:16 PM

Horsebolt McStabledoor: Gimme that z, o-l-o-f-t
Gimme a grip, make me love me
Suckin' 'em down, I'm happy man
Can feel it inside, makin' me smile

...realize that the sky's not made of gold
Don't disguise the nature of your soul

Gimme that z, o-l-o-f-t
No longer pissed and you don't bother me
I'm makin' it through, I'm givin' my all
When base are loaded, I'm whacking the ball

...don't suck the mind, don't drain the source
The path of life's not so easy to course, buddy


I love that entire album
 
2013-04-11 04:55:10 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: thatboyoverthere: J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.

You're thinking of Bipolar medication. Anti-Depresseants just keep you from falling into the pit of self-loathing and hate.

The best analogy I've seen is that depression is like wearing "shiat-colored glasses", and taking antidepressants is like removing them.

They certainly don't make one "artificially" happy - we have a name for that condition: stoned. If they could get people stoned they'd have street value, and they don't.


When I was trying to find the right medication combo for myself my dr. introduced me to Prozac. What an unmitigated disaster. I went from suicidal to so happy and full of energy I would come home, make dinner do all the dishes get the kids and wife to bed, go out and ride my bike or play basketball til 3am, sleep two hours and get up at 5 or 6 to do it all over again. Everyone I knew was at the very least slightly frightened of me. 2 weeks later I gave it up to try something else thank god. I'm not even sure if I stayed on them the whole 14 days it is suggested to see if they're going to work at all. The whole time is a blur to me.
 
2013-04-11 04:55:29 PM

Lord Dimwit: My wife and I had a conversation/thought experiment about this.

First question: Say I was only nice to be around when I was drinking alcohol. I went to a doctor and he monitored my liver functions and enzymes and agreed that I was under less stress and a nicer person to be around when I had three or four beers a day. I don't drive or operate heavy machinery, and my work output is better or at least unaffected. Question: Is that okay, or not? If not, how is it fundamentally different from being on psychoactive drugs? What if instead of alcohol, I were a functional drug addict on something harsher than alcohol?


My sister is a psychologist.  She's told my wife and I that we need to drink more.  Seriously.
 
2013-04-11 04:58:56 PM
ramp.ie
Oh shut up, Neil!
 
2013-04-11 05:00:07 PM

Ghastly: The other annoying side effect of Paxil besides the super suicidal thoughts part was it made me hyper horny but completely unable to orgasm. Didn't matter how many transexual Asian swathed choked me while I masturbated with a dead chicken. I still couldn't cum.


I don't think the Paxil caused the suicidal thoughts, the not coming did. Of course the Paxil did cause that.
 
2013-04-11 05:02:08 PM

taoistlumberjak


Oh shut up, Neil!


Right then he was saying "Vegetable rights and peace!".
 
2013-04-11 05:04:33 PM

lennavan: I feel like a jerk and don't know what to do. Help!

Stop being a jerk.
~Lenny

P.S.  You're also a dumb fark for thinking your wife would never change over the course of your marriage.


So, let me get this straight. You're dumb if you expect them to change and also if you expect them not to?

/paradoxical!
 
2013-04-11 05:06:31 PM

Delawheredad: Letters like this expose the fact that Dear Prudence is an exercise in creative writing and is not to be taken seriously.  No ones personality goes through that dramatic a personality change from an antidepressant.


Wanna bet on that? I'm normally fairly cheerful, but was on wellbutrin to try and quit smoking. Turned me into an evil biatch..
 
2013-04-11 05:07:25 PM

Jerry Westerby: I starting taking Zoloft when my lack of getting laid started meaning I was coming home angry and mean just about every day.  It worked great for me.  My wife still doesn't put out, but I don't give much of a shiat about it anymore.


Jesus, that's sad.  Sorry dude.  Just think, in an age before anti-depressants you might have become a wife-beating alcoholic, or you might have just decided to leave her and gone on to have a happier, more sex-filled marriage with someone else.

/From your three-sentence synopsis of your marriage that you posted above, I'm rooting for the 'leaving her' option
//Seriously, best of luck to you
 
2013-04-11 05:08:04 PM

Geotpf: Um, the cause of many of those shooting was a lack of strong antipsychotics, not the opposite.


Practically all of them were on SSRI's. Even as far back as Columbine.
 
2013-04-11 05:10:13 PM

dopekitty74: lennavan: I feel like a jerk and don't know what to do. Help!

Stop being a jerk.
~Lenny

P.S.  You're also a dumb fark for thinking your wife would never change over the course of your marriage.

So, let me get this straight. You're dumb if you expect them to change and also if you expect them not to?

/paradoxical!


Nah, you're smart if you expect them to change.  You're only dumb if you expect them to change in a very specific way.
 
2013-04-11 05:13:45 PM

Ghastly: That was suppsed to be transexual Asian dwarves.... But you probably figured that out on your own.


Unrelated to the post I'm replying to: Do you like fan mail? Because I'm a fan.

I'm so glad you're updating your comic again. :)
 
2013-04-11 05:16:19 PM

dopekitty74: /paradoxical!




women
 
2013-04-11 05:17:17 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-11 05:18:56 PM

meanmutton: that was my nickname in highschool: but seriously, who pays for pr0n?

People who like porn but not the gonzo style that makes up the vast majority of free porn?


If that's all you're finding, maybe you should drop me an email so I can link you to some better sites.
 
2013-04-11 05:20:03 PM

Khellendros: Good point. Easy way to test this - how many mass shootings were due to an over-medicated individual? Count them up. I'll wait.

Snark aside, nearly every mass shooting is a story of a person who needed treatment (including medication) and DIDN'T get it. Over-treatment isn't a problem. Quite the opposite. Think about what you're typing. You'll look far less silly.


I totally agree with your extreme example.  Many of these people are psychophrenic.  Meds for psychophrenics are known to work pretty well.

But at the same time, many doctors treat depression ONLY with meds.  And instantly get someone on them, without considering non-medication therapy.

This is my experience, at least.

Especially situational depression (no history of depression until a loved one dies, for example).  In my not-being-a-doctor opinion, it seems non-medication therapy is a better road to go down.
 
2013-04-11 05:23:06 PM

TaterTot_HotDish: Jerry Westerby: I starting taking Zoloft when my lack of getting laid started meaning I was coming home angry and mean just about every day.  It worked great for me.  My wife still doesn't put out, but I don't give much of a shiat about it anymore.

Jesus, that's sad.  Sorry dude.  Just think, in an age before anti-depressants you might have become a wife-beating alcoholic, or you might have just decided to leave her and gone on to have a happier, more sex-filled marriage with someone else.

/From your three-sentence synopsis of your marriage that you posted above, I'm rooting for the 'leaving her' option
//Seriously, best of luck to you


Yeah, I cant imagine why she should feel obligated to have sex with a nasty, angry dude. *eyeroll*
 
2013-04-11 05:26:05 PM

SuperNinjaToad: uttertosh: meanmutton: that was my nickname in highschool: but seriously, who pays for pr0n?

People who like porn but not the gonzo style that makes up the vast majority of free porn?

payed supermodel porn for those whose lifestyles make them as ripped as the male actors. Gonzo for the rest of us slobs.

There's a market for every fetish imaginable. Fat, hairy blokes pounding their evening's 'doggybag' form their bar is much more realistic, thus having a greater appeal to the masses. unachievable goddesses shot in artsy HD? Most guys out there are 'meh' about paying the 50$ a month to see prepubescent (shavenhaven) girls doing things in an overproduced fashion isn't that 'hot', unless you've never had sex (with anything other than you hand). There's a glut in the market for this kind of gonzo, (easier, cheaper to shoot) Mainstream porn companies (looking at you Vivid Video) are all about DVD sales. It's an outmoded concept.

/porn-addict-rant

/POV gonzo FTW

what's gonzo porn? and no I can't google that right now.


It's a strange way of saying "POV (point-of-view) porn", or more broadly, porn shot in a way to try to put the viewer in the scene. Usually POV, but I don't suppose it has to be.
 
2013-04-11 05:34:49 PM

UnrepentantApostate: monoski: paxil

I was on Paxil for several months in college due to an awful brush with panic disorder (multiple panic attacks a day, including one immediately on waking up in the morning).  It was gangbusters at stopping the panic attacks, which was really what I needed.  I was able to catch my breath and let some therapy work.  However, it almost totally removed my ability to orgasm, or to really enjoy much of anything.  My poor boyfriend was very nice about it, but it's hard when your girlfriend isn't really interested any dates.  It didn't stop me from getting horny, which was the most torturous part.  I remember once trying for half an hour, and just as I was getting there we were interrupted.  I actually burst out in tears I was so frustrated.

Psychoactive drugs can really, really help.  They are especially important for illnesses like panic disorder, like bipolar disorder, like schizophrenia because those illnesses seriously screw with your life and all the lives of the people you interact with.  But man, we're new to tinkering with brain chemistry and sometimes all the options for toning down your symptoms suck at letting you enjoy anything.


doubled99: Good point. Easy way to test this - how many mass shootings were due to an over-medicated individual?  Count them up.  I'll wait.
Snark aside, nearly every mass shooting is a story of a person who needed treatment (including medication) and DIDN'T get it.  Over-treatment isn't a problem.  Quite the opposite.  Think about what you're typing.  You'll look far less silly.


...and another. I see everyone is indoctrinated.
Go big Pharm!



I'm not a fan of big pharm either, but I tell you what.  When you have an issue of having panic attacks or depression that do not even allow you to function enough to get dressed, come and talk to some of us about indoctrination.
 
2013-04-11 05:37:34 PM
Dear Prudence

I am the one insufferable asshat out there that actually pays attention to his wife, her interests and her personality. Now that shes all happy, I am forced to take a look inside myself and realized I am a miserable prick. How do I force my wife back into a steel cage of depression so I feel good about myself?

Sincerely,
ClosetGay
 
2013-04-11 05:40:51 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: Lord Dimwit: My wife and I had a conversation/thought experiment about this.

First question: Say I was only nice to be around when I was drinking alcohol. I went to a doctor and he monitored my liver functions and enzymes and agreed that I was under less stress and a nicer person to be around when I had three or four beers a day. I don't drive or operate heavy machinery, and my work output is better or at least unaffected. Question: Is that okay, or not? If not, how is it fundamentally different from being on psychoactive drugs? What if instead of alcohol, I were a functional drug addict on something harsher than alcohol?

My sister is a psychologist.  She's told my wife and I that we need to drink more.  Seriously.


Lord Dimwit: My apologies, I don't know how to officially tag you for a notification, but thank you for this.  Excellent questions, I like where you're head's at and would gladly take the contrarian position just to rumble for a while with you.

GH + LD: If I could smoke a one hitter at will, I would no longer smoke cigarettes and be more efficient at work.  Remember the smart kid from Road Trip?  That's how I approach it, and I hope to have some conversations along these lines to help flesh out the idea and get some intellectual groundwork laid for such an argument.
 
2013-04-11 05:45:17 PM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

It's just... you're not as interesting to be around since you turned your back on the Dark Side.

I'm not saying I LIKED the Dark Side, but you just don't DO anything now.

I understand that you don't have anybody to hang out with because you MURDERED all the good Jedi as children and you're still the most hated man in 200 star systems and all, but you've gotta pick up a hobby other than gardening and watching TV.

And another thing... you were at least a snappy dresser back then.  The suit's just not the same when made of anodized aluminum and blue nylon webbing.  The REI-sporting-goods-look isn't "working", and your old self would have caught that...
 
2013-04-11 05:48:49 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: The best analogy I've seen is that depression is like wearing "shiat-colored glasses", and taking antidepressants is like removing them.


I dont know. I'm depressed sometimes and it can be a bit like wearing glasses like that... But at the same time i like that part of myself. Its the critical and rational side of myself. Its the colder calculating angry bitter mike and damnit if i don't love that guy. The shiat coloured glasses are more like honest reality glasses and to be perfectly honest life is kind of depressing and horrifying. I need a cynical anvil on which to smash the rosy colored lies our society tries to sell every hour of every day.

Those 2 episodes of southpark with all the crap pissed me off. Stan Marsh wasn't wrong when he saw everything as shiat. IT WAS shiat.  As Socrates said "there are no evil truths"...

You cant tell me i shouldn't be bothered by the problems i see in the world. Nobody got anywhere by ignoring the man behind the curtain and blindly following wizards orders.
 
2013-04-11 05:53:44 PM
AT FIRST I WAS LIKE
upload.wikimedia.org
BUT THEN..
wikicheats.gametrailers.com
I LOL'ED




I think you ought to know I'm feeling just fine these days.  Doing great!  Yep, job's doing well, got promoted, politics are not my personal problems, I like people.  Life... let me tell you about life.  It's good to be alive....

WTF, Marvin?  You USED to be COOL, man... you've changed.
 
2013-04-11 05:54:15 PM

The Snow Dog: I've been depressed for years. I don't have "highs". I have rare periods of "not low" when I distract myself with something or other. If you have highs and lows you're probably more bipolar--as opposed to just depressed.


Keep trying different antidepressants.  I spent years cycling through different ones (my records list ten tried) before finding one that worked for me.
 
2013-04-11 06:03:11 PM
When you take Paxil your soul leaves your body and floats aimlessly over the Earth until the demon possessing your body decides to stop taking Paxil. (This woman is proof.)
 
2013-04-11 06:30:19 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Geotpf: Um, the cause of many of those shooting was a lack of strong antipsychotics, not the opposite.

Practically all of them were on SSRI's. Even as far back as Columbine.


There is a difference between anti-depressants and anti-psychotics:

Educate yourself:

http://www.camh.ca/en/hospital/health_information/a_z_mental_health_ an d_addiction_information/antidepressant_medication/Pages/antidepressant _medication.aspx

http://www.camh.ca/en/hospital/health_information/a_z_mental_health_ an d_addiction_information/antipsychotic_medication/Pages/antipsychotic_m edication.aspx
 
2013-04-11 06:35:18 PM

Lord Dimwit: First question: Say I was only nice to be around when I was drinking alcohol. I went to a doctor and he monitored my liver functions and enzymes and agreed that I was under less stress and a nicer person to be around when I had three or four beers a day. I don't drive or operate heavy machinery, and my work output is better or at least unaffected. Question: Is that okay, or not? If not, how is it fundamentally different from being on psychoactive drugs? What if instead of alcohol, I were a functional drug addict on something harsher than alcohol?


THIS except me my wife and weed. So, can we declassify that yet?
 
2013-04-11 06:38:46 PM

bborchar: Wow, what a selfish a$$hole.  "My wife wasn't happy before, but now she is and I hate it"?  What kind of husband WANTS his wife to be depressed?  Does he have a life insurance policy on her and was hoping to cash it in soon?   Honestly, though, it sounds like he is also depressed and can't stand the thought of his wife being happy while he is not.  Maybe he should take something for it :P


Bingo.

That's pretty much it, I think. He sounds like an alcoholic who's wife suddenly finds sobriety and he's lost his drinking buddy.
 
2013-04-11 06:50:04 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: When I started therapy & antidepressants Mrs. Anomaly said she hoped it didn't change my personality. I reminded her that was the entire point.

Since (it's been several years) she's been happy with the changes (mostly consisting of my ability to talk rationally about future plans instead of assuming that any day now, all of us will be trapped in inescapable poverty).



This is why I've seriously considered trying an antidepressant. Focusing on negative outcomes to the point of paralysis, and the inability to make simple decisions (much less really important life decisions) is pretty much my problem. Therapy has helped but sometimes I really wonder if directly changing my brain chemistry is what I need.
 
2013-04-11 06:50:38 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: I had a psychology profess who quit marriage counseling after a certain client...

He told a married woman with an unsatisfactory sex life to buy a vibrator. BIG MISTAKE (for the husband).

She found herself (often several times a day), grew a pair and told the husband to get the fark out of her life.

The husband told the counselor "thanks a bunch", agreed to a divorce and was never heard from again. The woman decided she didn't need therapy anymore either.


Heh... it's amazing what a little self-efficacy can ... ermm... stimulate
 
2013-04-11 06:51:08 PM
Yeah, that's a bit of a drastic change...
 
2013-04-11 06:52:02 PM

Elegy: This is a cover. He's actually unhappy that the anti-depressants froze her loins in a block of ice.


I'm rather suspecting he's depressed and finds her cheerfulness bothersome.

TheShavingofOccam123: I had a psychology profess who quit marriage counseling after a certain client...

He told a married woman with an unsatisfactory sex life to buy a vibrator. BIG MISTAKE (for the husband).

She found herself (often several times a day), grew a pair and told the husband to get the fark out of her life.

The husband told the counselor "thanks a bunch", agreed to a divorce and was never heard from again. The woman decided she didn't need therapy anymore either.


It probably was the right outcome.
 
2013-04-11 06:53:28 PM
x4ashes4ashes.files.wordpress.com

Let's try posting the image again...
 
2013-04-11 06:58:02 PM
J. Frank Parnell:

Normal people are happy sometimes, and sad other times. Bi-polar is when people experience extremes of each, often switching between them in a matter of minutes for no apparent reason.

The general consensus from those who've spent a long time on anti-depressants seems to be that sure they're not depressed anymore, but they're not exactly happy, either. They experience a sort of dumbness. Just google 'anti-depressants numbness' to see what i'm talking about.


Rapid changes of mood between extreme highs and lows is not bi-polar, while bi-polar experience extreme highs and lows, they go on for extended periods, sometimes upwards of 6 months. It is a common misconception that rapid mood swings is bi-polar, it isn't.
 
2013-04-11 07:01:58 PM

vd61: Lord Dimwit: First question: Say I was only nice to be around when I was drinking alcohol. I went to a doctor and he monitored my liver functions and enzymes and agreed that I was under less stress and a nicer person to be around when I had three or four beers a day. I don't drive or operate heavy machinery, and my work output is better or at least unaffected. Question: Is that okay, or not? If not, how is it fundamentally different from being on psychoactive drugs? What if instead of alcohol, I were a functional drug addict on something harsher than alcohol?

THIS except me my wife and weed. So, can we declassify that yet?


Actually you should see a shrink because you're probably self-medicating. I highly suggest cognitive behavioral for long lasting results.
 
2013-04-11 07:03:32 PM
My husband likes my anti-depressants, they alleviate the depression and I can actually want sex.
 
2013-04-11 07:21:35 PM
Dear Hubby,

Sounds like you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Try some antipsycotics.

Love, Pruddy
 
2013-04-11 07:32:45 PM
Before:
i.imgur.com

After:
www.reallyfunnypictures.co.uk
Disclaimer: Your bunny may change in appearance after medication.
 
2013-04-11 07:47:37 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: From the article just below:
My husband and I are both politically liberal, support public radio, donate to the ACLU, and both have gay and lesbian friends. He thinks it's funny, however, to adopt a stereotypical gay lisp from time to time when telling a story or a joke.


LOL. The article just below is always funnier.


I was left wondering if they also drive a Prius and shop at Whole Foods because this is equally relevant to whether the husband's faux-lisp is offensive or not.
 
2013-04-11 07:55:33 PM
Paxil'll do that.  Reduce the dosage and it will stop.
 
2013-04-11 07:56:36 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: did she become a woo-girl?




I had a friend on anti depressants and she bitached that it killed her sex drive. I told her "Honey if we found a pill that made women happy and horny we reclass it to a vitamin and introduce it into the ground water."


Wellbutrin aka the happy/horny/skinny pill.

I was on a combo of that and Pristiq but always felt muted. I was taken off the Pristiq and since being on Wellbutrin I fart rainbows, actually function, have lost 20lbs and actually want sex instead of tolerating it.

I also had a nasty habit of smoking when I drank alcohol and that stopped too- it makes me ill. Turns out, it's also a smoking cessation drug.

Not a woo girl though.

/WOO!!!
 
2013-04-11 07:59:15 PM

ZeroCorpse: gweilo8888: Dear Prudence: My favorite time-wasting website has started taking kickbacks from Slate to run endless links to Dear Prudence columns that are largely fictitious letters written by Slate's staff, so that  a fictitious person called Prudence can write fictitious answers pretending to provide advice while merely bulking out the column inches to fit some more ads in. I hate it.

Gosh, that does sound annoying! Have you ever thought of switching to another time-wasting website, such as Reddit, Jezebel, io9, or Yahoo Answers? I find that most time-wasting websites are just the same stories that have been passed around the Internet like your mom at one of your father's lodge meetings. By the time they get to the sites above, they're already a bit ragged and overexposed, anyway. I doubt your favorite time-wasting website is terribly different from any others, and so the net result would be that you succeed in wasting your time and you get caught up on the absolutely useless information that passes for news, entertainment, and conversation in our modern society.

If you're really sick of it, though, you could always try to aid in creating a big-time comeback for YTMND or eBaum's World, or alternately, you could stick a dildo up your ass and log in to 4chan.

- Prudence


Sharpies, not dildos you pervert
 
2013-04-11 08:16:07 PM

911Jenny: The Stealth Hippopotamus: did she become a woo-girl?

I had a friend on anti depressants and she bitached that it killed her sex drive. I told her "Honey if we found a pill that made women happy and horny we reclass it to a vitamin and introduce it into the ground water."

Wellbutrin aka the happy/horny/skinny pill.

I was on a combo of that and Pristiq but always felt muted. I was taken off the Pristiq and since being on Wellbutrin I fart rainbows, actually function, have lost 20lbs and actually want sex instead of tolerating it.

I also had a nasty habit of smoking when I drank alcohol and that stopped too- it makes me ill. Turns out, it's also a smoking cessation drug.

Not a woo girl though.

/WOO!!!


Me too!! I was lucky to have Wellbutrin as the second try. I tried Cipralex and was asleep five minutes after dinner. I dance now, never did that before. They work wonders if you can find the right one.
 
2013-04-11 08:29:11 PM

shortymac: vd61: Lord Dimwit: First question: Say I was only nice to be around when I was drinking alcohol. I went to a doctor and he monitored my liver functions and enzymes and agreed that I was under less stress and a nicer person to be around when I had three or four beers a day. I don't drive or operate heavy machinery, and my work output is better or at least unaffected. Question: Is that okay, or not? If not, how is it fundamentally different from being on psychoactive drugs? What if instead of alcohol, I were a functional drug addict on something harsher than alcohol?

THIS except me my wife and weed. So, can we declassify that yet?

Actually you should see a shrink because you're probably self-medicating. I highly suggest cognitive behavioral for long lasting results.


Actually I am. Instead of bags a week like when I was in my early 2o's it's now a bowl or two in the am and a bowl at night along with working out and making managable tasks for the day.
Both my therapist and physical rehab said they approve; I've covered this before in past threads.
 
2013-04-11 08:35:52 PM

LovingTeacher: Gaseous Anomaly: thatboyoverthere: J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.

You're thinking of Bipolar medication. Anti-Depresseants just keep you from falling into the pit of self-loathing and hate.

The best analogy I've seen is that depression is like wearing "shiat-colored glasses", and taking antidepressants is like removing them.

They certainly don't make one "artificially" happy - we have a name for that condition: stoned. If they could get people stoned they'd have street value, and they don't.

When I was trying to find the right medication combo for myself my dr. introduced me to Prozac. What an unmitigated disaster. I went from suicidal to so happy and full of energy I would come home, make dinner do all the dishes get the kids and wife to bed, go out and ride my bike or play basketball til 3am, sleep two hours and get up at 5 or 6 to do it all over again. Everyone I knew was at the very least slightly frightened of me. 2 weeks later I gave it up to try something else thank god. I'm not even sure if I stayed on them the whole 14 days it is suggested to see if they're going to work at all. The whole time is a blur to me.



Sounds brilliant to me, if I could get a pill that had that effect on me, I'd be keeping it.

Antidepressants don't seem to affect me much. Tired of trying different ones. Although I would really love to try Wellbutrin my doctor wasn't compliant, crappy doctor I know, but I don't have it in me to go looking for a new doctor.
 
2013-04-11 08:43:49 PM
Here's my simple advice: never take any psychopharmaceuticals from a non-psychiatric MD. The stakes are too high. But if you have a good psychiatrist, he is worth his weight in gold.
 
2013-04-11 09:01:25 PM

vd61: shortymac: vd61: Lord Dimwit: First question: Say I was only nice to be around when I was drinking alcohol. I went to a doctor and he monitored my liver functions and enzymes and agreed that I was under less stress and a nicer person to be around when I had three or four beers a day. I don't drive or operate heavy machinery, and my work output is better or at least unaffected. Question: Is that okay, or not? If not, how is it fundamentally different from being on psychoactive drugs? What if instead of alcohol, I were a functional drug addict on something harsher than alcohol?

THIS except me my wife and weed. So, can we declassify that yet?

Actually you should see a shrink because you're probably self-medicating. I highly suggest cognitive behavioral for long lasting results.

Actually I am. Instead of bags a week like when I was in my early 2o's it's now a bowl or two in the am and a bowl at night along with working out and making managable tasks for the day.
Both my therapist and physical rehab said they approve; I've covered this before in past threads.


Oh great! I was worried you were at that "bags a week" stage! Please continue.

/Works at a mental health and addictions hospital
 
2013-04-11 09:09:05 PM

J. Frank Parnell: The Snow Dog: I've been depressed for years. I don't have "highs". I have rare periods of "not low" when I distract myself with something or other. If you have highs and lows you're probably more bipolar--as opposed to just depressed.

Normal people are happy sometimes, and sad other times. Bi-polar is when people experience extremes of each, often switching between them in a matter of minutes for no apparent reason.

The general consensus from those who've spent a long time on anti-depressants seems to be that sure they're not depressed anymore, but they're not exactly happy, either. They experience a sort of dumbness. Just google 'anti-depressants numbness' to see what i'm talking about.


Not me. Probably been depressed since birth. shiat colored glasses indeed. Tried Prozac when it first came out and couldn't tolerate it at all. Damn. Typical I thought with my shiat colored glasses. Nothing works, it's hopeless. Tried Zoloft many years later. What? What is that feeling? Happy? Happy without wondering what bad thing would happen to make up for the brief happy feeling. And the world isn't shiat colored? I can be happy when it's appropriate, and sad when something actually bad happens for an appropriate length of time (resilient)? It's a miracle (cue Heavenly trumpets for the atheist)!!! Went off for a while and tried St. John's Wort...meh. Got back on Celexa and it was even better than Zoloft. Yeah! No numbness, just normal, natural moods that feel like me. The libido issue does suck though as a side effect.
 
2013-04-11 09:10:27 PM

Boberella: Me too!! I was lucky to have Wellbutrin as the second try. I tried Cipralex and was asleep five minutes after dinner. I dance now, never did that before. They work wonders if you can find the right one.


I tried Wellbutrin, and I really, really wish it had worked for me too.  After a week of insomnia and intermittent tachycardia, I had to throw in the towel.  But I felt farkING FANTASTIC.  Zoloft doesn't have the side effects for me, but it also made my libido quiet down in ways I don't appreciate.
 
2013-04-11 09:16:56 PM

shortymac: vd61: Lord Dimwit: First question: Say I was only nice to be around when I was drinking alcohol. I went to a doctor and he monitored my liver functions and enzymes and agreed that I was under less stress and a nicer person to be around when I had three or four beers a day. I don't drive or operate heavy machinery, and my work output is better or at least unaffected. Question: Is that okay, or not? If not, how is it fundamentally different from being on psychoactive drugs? What if instead of alcohol, I were a functional drug addict on something harsher than alcohol?

THIS except me my wife and weed. So, can we declassify that yet?

Actually you should see a shrink because you're probably self-medicating. I highly suggest cognitive behavioral for long lasting results.


It was a hypothetical question; the doctor in the example is there to illustrate that I'm not doing anything harmful to myself (or at least the drinking is less harmful than the stress). The example was trying to probe why certain it's "okay" for people to take certain drugs to alter their behavior, but not others even under a doctor's supervision and with positive pragmatic results.

In reality I take no medications and have a drink maybe once a week after work with friends.
 
2013-04-11 09:27:26 PM

Lord Dimwit: shortymac: vd61: Lord Dimwit: First question: Say I was only nice to be around when I was drinking alcohol. I went to a doctor and he monitored my liver functions and enzymes and agreed that I was under less stress and a nicer person to be around when I had three or four beers a day. I don't drive or operate heavy machinery, and my work output is b....en under a doctor's supervision and with positive pragmatic results.

In reality I take no medications and have a drink maybe once a week after work with friends.


i wondered about this too -- like if i got angry while drunk (im a pretty happy drunk though) would it -- because of my lack of inhibitions reflect a deeper subconscious self?

I think if we really act with self awareness we can choose what we want to accentuate about ourselves. Contrary to DARE drugs can at times make peoples problems better. Its up to the user to use responsibly and keep their control.
 
2013-04-11 09:29:18 PM

SuperNinjaToad: uttertosh: meanmutton: that was my nickname in highschool: but seriously, who pays for pr0n?

People who like porn but not the gonzo style that makes up the vast majority of free porn?

payed supermodel porn for those whose lifestyles make them as ripped as the male actors. Gonzo for the rest of us slobs.

There's a market for every fetish imaginable. Fat, hairy blokes pounding their evening's 'doggybag' form their bar is much more realistic, thus having a greater appeal to the masses. unachievable goddesses shot in artsy HD? Most guys out there are 'meh' about paying the 50$ a month to see prepubescent (shavenhaven) girls doing things in an overproduced fashion isn't that 'hot', unless you've never had sex (with anything other than you hand). There's a glut in the market for this kind of gonzo, (easier, cheaper to shoot) Mainstream porn companies (looking at you Vivid Video) are all about DVD sales. It's an outmoded concept.

/porn-addict-rant

/POV gonzo FTW

what's gonzo porn? and no I can't google that right now.


Imagine a movie that starts with a guy saying "Hi! I'm Bob, this is Krystle, say hi, and Alexis, say hi, and we're here in a rented ski chalet to express our loving feelings for each other in a special way." No "plot", usually no music, and the special way tends to be quite rough and demeaning.
 
2013-04-11 09:32:47 PM

highwayrun: Imagine a movie that starts with a guy saying "Hi! I'm Bob, this is Krystle, say hi, and Alexis, say hi, and we're here in a rented ski chalet to express our loving feelings for each other in a special way." No "plot", usually no music, and the special way tends to be quite rough and demeaning.

Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuust riiiiiiiiight. Ohhhhhhhh yeeeaaaaahh.

Fixed for some.
 
2013-04-11 09:50:31 PM

TastyEloi: Gaseous Anomaly: When I started therapy & antidepressants Mrs. Anomaly said she hoped it didn't change my personality. I reminded her that was the entire point.

Since (it's been several years) she's been happy with the changes (mostly consisting of my ability to talk rationally about future plans instead of assuming that any day now, all of us will be trapped in inescapable poverty).


This is why I've seriously considered trying an antidepressant. Focusing on negative outcomes to the point of paralysis, and the inability to make simple decisions (much less really important life decisions) is pretty much my problem. Therapy has helped but sometimes I really wonder if directly changing my brain chemistry is what I need.


If you're still doing therapy you can bounce that idea off of said therapist. The conventional wisdom is to do both (meds to lift the fog so that therapy can work on whatever underlying issues), though the appropriate combination or lack thereof is very individual.
 
2013-04-11 10:01:25 PM

mikefinch: Gaseous Anomaly: The best analogy I've seen is that depression is like wearing "shiat-colored glasses", and taking antidepressants is like removing them.

I dont know. I'm depressed sometimes and it can be a bit like wearing glasses like that... But at the same time i like that part of myself. Its the critical and rational side of myself. Its the colder calculating angry bitter mike and damnit if i don't love that guy. The shiat coloured glasses are more like honest reality glasses and to be perfectly honest life is kind of depressing and horrifying. I need a cynical anvil on which to smash the rosy colored lies our society tries to sell every hour of every day.

Those 2 episodes of southpark with all the crap pissed me off. Stan Marsh wasn't wrong when he saw everything as shiat. IT WAS shiat.  As Socrates said "there are no evil truths"...

You cant tell me i shouldn't be bothered by the problems i see in the world. Nobody got anywhere by ignoring the man behind the curtain and blindly following wizards orders.


I totally agree that lots of true stuff is legitimately depressing, and that which can be destroyed by the truth should be (that is, better to face the truth than tell ourselves comforting lies).

On the other hand, depressives can have pretty distorted thinking, and dwelling too much on depressing stuff can be corrosively demotivational, and end up keeping you from being functional. So there's a balance to strike.

An example from my own life: I never bothered even trying at work, because it was plainly obvious (to me) that my job was going to leave the country any week now, and so there was no point. All knowledge work was to follow, so changing fields wasn't pointful. It took about 10 years (even with meds and therapy for about 5 of them) for the failure of the job-pocalypse to actually happen for me to start feeling silly about it. Now doing OK, but my career is just now getting moving. I certainly don't treat my job as "permanent" (none are, by any means) but I can see myself there for a few years.
 
2013-04-11 10:10:02 PM

LadySusan: J. Frank Parnell: The Snow Dog: I've been depressed for years. I don't have "highs". I have rare periods of "not low" when I distract myself with something or other. If you have highs and lows you're probably more bipolar--as opposed to just depressed.

Normal people are happy sometimes, and sad other times. Bi-polar is when people experience extremes of each, often switching between them in a matter of minutes for no apparent reason.

The general consensus from those who've spent a long time on anti-depressants seems to be that sure they're not depressed anymore, but they're not exactly happy, either. They experience a sort of dumbness. Just google 'anti-depressants numbness' to see what i'm talking about.

Not me. Probably been depressed since birth. shiat colored glasses indeed. Tried Prozac when it first came out and couldn't tolerate it at all. Damn. Typical I thought with my shiat colored glasses. Nothing works, it's hopeless. Tried Zoloft many years later. What? What is that feeling? Happy? Happy without wondering what bad thing would happen to make up for the brief happy feeling. And the world isn't shiat colored? I can be happy when it's appropriate, and sad when something actually bad happens for an appropriate length of time (resilient)? It's a miracle (cue Heavenly trumpets for the atheist)!!! Went off for a while and tried St. John's Wort...meh. Got back on Celexa and it was even better than Zoloft. Yeah! No numbness, just normal, natural moods that feel like me. The libido issue does suck though as a side effect.


I recently went to get something prescribed because I was going to end up offing myself if I didn't. I just seem to have farked up wiring, my best mood as far back as I can remember was a bit above "I don't feel like hanging myself today." Counseling and therapy were useless, I've just never felt another way, there's no hidden trauma or anything. I've spent so much time crawling around the back of my head trying to unearth whatever was causing these feelings, which actually solved some of my anxiety but couldn't remove the feeling of worthlessness and doom that had always hovered over me. The doctor put me on 20mg of Celexa and... within a few days I'd pretty much 180'd. I'm not manic, I'm just cheerful and my brain isn't constantly farking with me, it was the magic bullet for me and is helping me to hopefully have some kind of normal life rather than locking myself in my room and curling up into a little ball for days at a time.
 
2013-04-11 10:21:17 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: On the other hand, depressives can have pretty distorted thinking, and dwelling too much on depressing stuff can be corrosively demotivational, and end up keeping you from being functional. So there's a balance to strike.


yeah -- for me it takes allot to not ruminate on things in the past -- things i cant change -- things that are probly a little thing to everyone else but the mind can turn mountains into molehills...

I was really depressed for awhile... then i had a weird vivid dream and the next morning i was just better. i dunno. an epiphany i guess? I find a peace in nature and i dunno -- i feel like an asshole hipster douche for saying it but some Buddhist principles can be helpful. Just things about turning into suffering and letting go of the things you cant control. To try to feel pity and compassion rather than bitter anger when confronted with the world thomas hobbes described as cold brutish and short.

Life is a really farked up place to be and there is no reason we shouldn't all feel farked up just being here. If we are kind and work together and uphold moral and righteous principles within ourselves we have a chance to assuage that suffering to some extent. We can prevent unnecessary suffering in a world packed with tons of reasons to suffer that we cant control.
 
2013-04-11 11:18:51 PM

uttertosh: Ghastly: J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.

When I was put on Paxil I had this desperate need to be seen as "fixed" which made me crank up the "look how happy I am" routine. Which eventually lead to "the only way this shiat is going to work is if I take the whole bottle at once". Which lead to a few months stay in a mental hospital while they tried to figure out what is wrong with me.

It could be her "happy happy, joy joy" mood is just an act to reassure everyone around her she is "fixed" now.

In which case watch out because you can only keep that routine up for so long and when it falls it falls hard.

I haz a sad for you. Any way I can encourage you to post that pic of you in a steampunk
kilt, hands on hips, giving the 1000 yard stare? That's some serious SSRI for me!

(totally fancy you in that shot, btw)


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God dammit! Even the dwarf Asian trannies playing hide and seek under my kilt can't get me off thanks to this damned Paxil!
 
2013-04-11 11:19:57 PM

OniNeko: Ghastly: That was suppsed to be transexual Asian dwarves.... But you probably figured that out on your own.

Unrelated to the post I'm replying to: Do you like fan mail? Because I'm a fan.

I'm so glad you're updating your comic again. :)


I do indeed like fan mail. I haven't been updating the comic too regularly though, its very sporadic.
 
2013-04-11 11:33:08 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-11 11:37:53 PM
www.fugly.com
 
2013-04-11 11:48:16 PM

Ghastly: uttertosh: Ghastly: J. Frank Parnell: Ok, these have to be made up. Anti-depressants don't make people happy and optimistic. They remove the lows and the highs.

When I was put on Paxil I had this desperate need to be seen as "fixed" which made me crank up the "look how happy I am" routine. Which eventually lead to "the only way this shiat is going to work is if I take the whole bottle at once". Which lead to a few months stay in a mental hospital while they tried to figure out what is wrong with me.

It could be her "happy happy, joy joy" mood is just an act to reassure everyone around her she is "fixed" now.

In which case watch out because you can only keep that routine up for so long and when it falls it falls hard.

I haz a sad for you. Any way I can encourage you to post that pic of you in a steampunk
kilt, hands on hips, giving the 1000 yard stare? That's some serious SSRI for me!

(totally fancy you in that shot, btw)

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God dammit! Even the dwarf Asian trannies playing hide and seek under my kilt can't get me off thanks to this damned Paxil!


fapitty fa fap. TYVM

/wallpaered, you total hottie, you.

eip, btw
 
2013-04-12 12:07:35 AM

Loki009: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I had a friend on anti depressants and she bitached that it killed her sex drive. I told her "Honey if we found a pill that made women happy and horny we reclass it to a vitamin and introduce it into the ground water."

Wellbutrin. If i recall it is used off label to increase the female libido.


I'll echo that. I'm a dude and was on Paxil... Imagine a limp noodle and no enjoyment. Switched to Wellbutrin and it's a polar opposite.
 
2013-04-12 02:00:32 AM

Ghastly: OniNeko: Ghastly: That was suppsed to be transexual Asian dwarves.... But you probably figured that out on your own.

Unrelated to the post I'm replying to: Do you like fan mail? Because I'm a fan.

I'm so glad you're updating your comic again. :)

I do indeed like fan mail. I haven't been updating the comic too regularly though, its very sporadic.


Sporadic Tentacoo Wape is better than no tentacoo wape! I was a Ghastly fan before I ever stalked you all the way here found FARK.
 
2013-04-12 03:06:03 AM

DreamyAltarBoy: Ghastly: OniNeko: Ghastly: That was suppsed to be transexual Asian dwarves.... But you probably figured that out on your own.

Unrelated to the post I'm replying to: Do you like fan mail? Because I'm a fan.

I'm so glad you're updating your comic again. :)

I do indeed like fan mail. I haven't been updating the comic too regularly though, its very sporadic.

Sporadic Tentacoo Wape is better than no tentacoo wape! I was a Ghastly fan before I ever stalked you all the way here found FARK.


LoL : ) I couldn't have said that better myself : )
/Ghastley you are my Hero/Heroine all wrapped up in one and you're awesome.
 
2013-04-12 04:24:45 AM
Am I the only one who read Subby's headline in The Beatle's Dear Prudence?
 
2013-04-12 07:09:11 AM

Ghastly: OniNeko: Ghastly: That was suppsed to be transexual Asian dwarves.... But you probably figured that out on your own.

Unrelated to the post I'm replying to: Do you like fan mail? Because I'm a fan.

I'm so glad you're updating your comic again. :)

I do indeed like fan mail. I haven't been updating the comic too regularly though, its very sporadic.


How did I miss this?  Now I feel like an asshole not noticing that you'd made some updates.
 
2013-04-12 09:55:51 AM

TastyEloi: Gaseous Anomaly: When I started therapy & antidepressants Mrs. Anomaly said she hoped it didn't change my personality. I reminded her that was the entire point.

Since (it's been several years) she's been happy with the changes (mostly consisting of my ability to talk rationally about future plans instead of assuming that any day now, all of us will be trapped in inescapable poverty).


This is why I've seriously considered trying an antidepressant. Focusing on negative outcomes to the point of paralysis, and the inability to make simple decisions (much less really important life decisions) is pretty much my problem. Therapy has helped but sometimes I really wonder if directly changing my brain chemistry is what I need.


I highly recommend Celexa. I have a normal range of emotions and no side effects. Wellbutrin worked well the first time I took it, and I lost weight like crazy, but I had to change when I got pregnant. I tried to go back on it and it gave me heart palpatations. Therapy helped a lot, getting out of a crappy situation helped even more, but I do believe it was therapy and wellbutrin that helped me get to the right point to throw some toxic people out of my life.
 
2013-04-12 10:38:26 AM
I swear  people are just trolling Prudence these days
 
2013-04-12 12:48:41 PM
I highly recommend Celexa. I have a normal range of emotions


Like you would know what that is.
 
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