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2013-04-11 01:03:01 PM  
If the reason doesn't include the phrase "Cleveland Sports Curse", it's not the real reason.
 
2013-04-11 01:06:49 PM  
This is our year.... this is the one....we're really going to do it this time!  Nothing can stop us now....


/being bad is FAR less painful for Cleveland fans than being shown the "promised land" and then having the door slammed in your face.
//has MANY splinters on his face from those doors.
 
2013-04-11 01:08:24 PM  
I'm not saying they'll win, but Cleveland will represent the AFC in the 2014 Superbowl. Book it... Mark down this thread.
 
2013-04-11 01:15:20 PM  
While his audience dined on cheesecake topped with Cleveland Browns candy...

I don't think I want to know what that is. Can a local Clevelander tell me? I fear Urban Dictionary wouldn't tell me the truth.
 
2013-04-11 01:15:32 PM  

T.rex: I'm not saying they'll win, but Cleveland will represent the AFC in the 2014 Superbowl. Book it... Mark down this thread.


Can you quickly swing over to the nearest mirror?  Your pants might be on your head.  I need you to check.
 
2013-04-11 01:20:20 PM  

T.rex: I'm not saying they'll win, but Cleveland will represent the AFC in the 2014 Superbowl. Book it... Mark down this thread.


And now accepting the trophy for greatest community sportsmanship thing is Cleveland Browns starting QB Ben Washedup.
 
2013-04-11 01:21:21 PM  
Because Cleveland sucks

/always the correct answer
 
2013-04-11 01:26:34 PM  

T.rex: I'm not saying they'll win, but Cleveland will represent the AFC in the 2014 Superbowl. Book it... Mark down this thread.


Haha my sides.

/they'll win 8 games though
 
2013-04-11 01:47:07 PM  

skrame: While his audience dined on cheesecake topped with Cleveland Browns candy...

I don't think I want to know what that is. Can a local Clevelander tell me? I fear Urban Dictionary wouldn't tell me the truth.


I was wondering the same thing.
 
2013-04-11 01:53:42 PM  

Arkanaut: skrame: While his audience dined on cheesecake topped with Cleveland Browns candy...

I don't think I want to know what that is. Can a local Clevelander tell me? I fear Urban Dictionary wouldn't tell me the truth.

I was wondering the same thing.


I assume they are knock-off M&Ms with the Browns color scheme.
 
2013-04-11 02:03:09 PM  

FrancoFile: Arkanaut: skrame: While his audience dined on cheesecake topped with Cleveland Browns candy...

I don't think I want to know what that is. Can a local Clevelander tell me? I fear Urban Dictionary wouldn't tell me the truth.

I was wondering the same thing.

I assume they are knock-off M&Ms with the Browns color scheme.


Or nonpareils in the shape of the Browns' helmet.
 
2013-04-11 02:07:16 PM  
The Browns won't win a SuperBowl til the team moves...
 
2013-04-11 02:07:51 PM  
They draft shiatty players, sign shiatty FAs or washed up players and haven't hired a decent coach since [#REF!]?
 
2013-04-11 02:16:44 PM  

js34603: T.rex: I'm not saying they'll win, but Cleveland will represent the AFC in the 2014 Superbowl. Book it... Mark down this thread.

Haha my sides.

/they'll win 8 games though


I dont know. I have them losing 5-6 every year. Their division is varsity while the Browns are fielding a team of 6th graders.
 
2013-04-11 02:20:12 PM  

INeedAName: js34603: T.rex: I'm not saying they'll win, but Cleveland will represent the AFC in the 2014 Superbowl. Book it... Mark down this thread.

Haha my sides.

/they'll win 8 games though

I dont know. I have them losing 5-6 every year. Their division is varsity while the Browns are fielding a team of 6th graders.


They have a shot at 8 if they get to count preseason games.

/they also play the NFC North and AFC East, so there's another 5+ losses
 
2013-04-11 02:24:06 PM  

INeedAName: js34603: T.rex: I'm not saying they'll win, but Cleveland will represent the AFC in the 2014 Superbowl. Book it... Mark down this thread.

Haha my sides.

/they'll win 8 games though

I dont know. I have them losing 5-6 every year. Their division is varsity while the Browns are fielding a team of 6th graders.


Baltimore and Pittsburgh are on the downside of SB runs. The Browns can split those games. And Cincinnati, even on an upswing like they are now, is too inconsistent to feel confident saying they'll sweep Cleveland.

Pending the QB situation (Brandon Weinke or Jason Campbell...ouch) in Cleveland I think the whole division will be around 8 wins with Pitt probably at 7, Baltimore at 9 and and Cleveland sliding in there at a solidly mediocre 8-8. Cinci probably wins the division at 10-6.
 
2013-04-11 02:25:22 PM  

Dr Dreidel: They draft shiatty players, sign shiatty FAs or washed up players and haven't hired a decent coach since [

Belichick]?

/fixed
 
2013-04-11 02:26:37 PM  

IAmRight: INeedAName: js34603: T.rex: I'm not saying they'll win, but Cleveland will represent the AFC in the 2014 Superbowl. Book it... Mark down this thread.

Haha my sides.

/they'll win 8 games though

I dont know. I have them losing 5-6 every year. Their division is varsity while the Browns are fielding a team of 6th graders.

They have a shot at 8 if they get to count preseason games.

/they also play the NFC North and AFC East, so there's another 5+ losses


The AFC East? You mean the Patriots and 3 winnable games?

And the NFC North isn't even as good as last year.
 
2013-04-11 02:29:55 PM  

js34603: The AFC East? You mean the Patriots and 3 winnable games?

And the NFC North isn't even as good as last year.


They're all better than the Browns.

And all the AFC East teams are at least on the Browns' level. You're aware the Browns suck, right?
 
2013-04-11 02:33:26 PM  

MyEnamine: Dr Dreidel: They draft shiatty players, sign shiatty FAs or washed up players and haven't hired a decent coach since [Belichick]?

/fixed


I thought of him before I posted.

Belichick's record with the Brownies? 36-44. One playoff appearance in his only winning season (1994) with the team. Belichick is now a decent coach (or better), but if you asked NFL fans in 1995, they'd likely say differently after his 3-1 start turned into 5-11.
 
2013-04-11 02:42:34 PM  

js34603: Baltimore and Pittsburgh are on the downside of SB runs. The Browns can split those games. And Cincinnati, even on an upswing like they are now, is too inconsistent to feel confident saying they'll sweep Cleveland.

Pending the QB situation (Brandon Weinke or Jason Campbell...ouch) in Cleveland I think the whole division will be around 8 wins with Pitt probably at 7, Baltimore at 9 and and Cleveland sliding in there at a solidly mediocre 8-8. Cinci probably wins the division at 10-6.


Wow, that's a hell of a lot of optimism about a franchise that has won 6 or fewer games in 9 of the last 10 years and has only won more than 7 games twice since 1999.
 
2013-04-11 02:49:26 PM  

Dr Dreidel: They draft shiatty players, sign shiatty FAs or washed up players and haven't hired a decent coach since [#REF!]?


Marty Schottenheimer.

44-27 and 2 AFC Championship games. WITH THE BROWNS.

Also 101-58-1 and an AFC Championship game with the Chiefs.

That's not a decent coach. That's not a good coach. Those are the acts of a farking WIZARD.
 
2013-04-11 02:54:55 PM  

Arkanaut: skrame: While his audience dined on cheesecake topped with Cleveland Browns candy...

I don't think I want to know what that is. Can a local Clevelander tell me? I fear Urban Dictionary wouldn't tell me the truth.

I was wondering the same thing.


Gotta taste like regret and bitter despair.
 
2013-04-11 02:56:28 PM  

Dr Dreidel: MyEnamine: Dr Dreidel: They draft shiatty players, sign shiatty FAs or washed up players and haven't hired a decent coach since [Belichick]?

/fixed

I thought of him before I posted.

Belichick's record with the Brownies? 36-44. One playoff appearance in his only winning season (1994) with the team. Belichick is now a decent coach (or better), but if you asked NFL fans in 1995, they'd likely say differently after his 3-1 start turned into 5-11.


Well, we'll never know what could have happened in 1995. The Browns were 4-2 when word of the move got out, and they only won one more game that year. And once the Browns moved to Baltimore, Art Modell (may that cocksucker rest in peace) said, "We need a fresh start," and fired Belichick in favor of ... Ted Marchibroda (who was actually the first guy to give Belichick a job with an NFL team).

/Of all the farking things Modell could be right about, it was when he said, "I think Bill Belichick will win more Super Bowls than Don Shula."
 
2013-04-11 02:57:10 PM  
I think the steelers look horrible this year. Maybe they'll win one of those.
 
2013-04-11 03:05:36 PM  

Gonz: Marty Schottenheimer.


...and circle gets the square. (I honestly couldn't think of a good Cleve-town coach. Martyball it is.)
 
2013-04-11 03:15:22 PM  

Gonz: Dr Dreidel: They draft shiatty players, sign shiatty FAs or washed up players and haven't hired a decent coach since [#REF!]?

Marty Schottenheimer.

44-27 and 2 AFC Championship games. WITH THE BROWNS.

Also 101-58-1 and an AFC Championship game with the Chiefs.

That's not a decent coach. That's not a good coach. Those are the acts of a farking WIZARD.


He's the Andy Reid of the 1980's & 1990's.
 
2013-04-11 03:35:35 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: js34603: Baltimore and Pittsburgh are on the downside of SB runs. The Browns can split those games. And Cincinnati, even on an upswing like they are now, is too inconsistent to feel confident saying they'll sweep Cleveland.

Pending the QB situation (Brandon Weinke or Jason Campbell...ouch) in Cleveland I think the whole division will be around 8 wins with Pitt probably at 7, Baltimore at 9 and and Cleveland sliding in there at a solidly mediocre 8-8. Cinci probably wins the division at 10-6.

Wow, that's a hell of a lot of optimism about a franchise that has won 6 or fewer games in 9 of the last 10 years and has only won more than 7 games twice since 1999.


Yeah how did the Lions past records look the year before they made the playoffs? It's the NFL, teams that were shiatty suddenly make playoff or Super Bowl runs the next year.
 
2013-04-11 03:38:17 PM  

js34603: Yeah how did the Lions past records look the year before they made the playoffs? It's the NFL, teams that were shiatty suddenly make playoff or Super Bowl runs the next year.


Using the Lions as an example of what you're hoping to achieve is sure sign of desperation.
 
2013-04-11 03:38:19 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: The AFC East? You mean the Patriots and 3 winnable games?

And the NFC North isn't even as good as last year.

They're all better than the Browns.

And all the AFC East teams are at least on the Browns' level. You're aware the Browns suck, right?


You're aware the NFC West sucks right? Oh wait that was 2 years ago, now they're great.

Things change, teams that sucked become good, teams that were good start to suck. No reason to think the Browns can't step up to mediocre in a year their division is down and they play an bad division in the AFC East.
 
2013-04-11 03:38:33 PM  

js34603: It's the NFL, teams that were shiatty suddenly make playoff or Super Bowl runs the next year.


Derek Anderson's not walking through that door!

/there's a big difference between "they can go 8-8" and "they'll probably finish around 8-8"
//they CAN go 16-0, too, hypothetically
 
2013-04-11 03:39:29 PM  

TommyDeuce: Arkanaut: skrame: While his audience dined on cheesecake topped with Cleveland Browns candy...

I don't think I want to know what that is. Can a local Clevelander tell me? I fear Urban Dictionary wouldn't tell me the truth.

I was wondering the same thing.

Gotta taste like regret and bitter despair.


Cleaveland Browns candy is made up from the little leftover bits of Cleveland steamers.

/Live in NE Ohio
//Have watched the Browns face-plant for 21 years
 
2013-04-11 03:39:58 PM  

js34603: No reason to think the Browns can't step up to mediocre in a year their division is down and they play an bad division in the AFC East.


Again, I'll point out that the AFC East may be down, but they're still at the Browns level or better. Also, I don't know why you think the rest of the AFC North is so down.
 
2013-04-11 03:42:18 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: js34603: Yeah how did the Lions past records look the year before they made the playoffs? It's the NFL, teams that were shiatty suddenly make playoff or Super Bowl runs the next year.

Using the Lions as an example of what you're hoping to achieve is sure sign of desperation.


No it isn't. You can pretend the NFL is a dynastic sport if you want to, but that isn't reality. The Lions sucked for a long time. They had a good year and made the playoffs.

The Browns have sucked for a long time, but somehow it is impossible they have a "good" year and get to 8 wins? Doesn't seem impossible to me in a league that changes so much year to year.
 
2013-04-11 03:43:47 PM  
He also recalled the intense negative reaction in Cleveland when he announced in February that he was returning to his "first love" -- being CEO of Pilot Flying J.

"We got killed in Cleveland, because my first love's supposed to be the Cleveland Browns," he said.


You got killed in Cleveland because the last guy that owned the Browns had the same mindset: Thinking it's nice to own a sports team, but not so nice to actually run it.
 
2013-04-11 03:46:13 PM  

FrancoFile: Arkanaut: skrame: While his audience dined on cheesecake topped with Cleveland Browns candy...

I don't think I want to know what that is. Can a local Clevelander tell me? I fear Urban Dictionary wouldn't tell me the truth.

I was wondering the same thing.

I assume they are knock-off M&Ms with the Browns color scheme.


www.candymachines.com

Pick out those yellow ones, soak 'em in brine and send 'em to Pittsburgh.
 
2013-04-11 03:46:27 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: No reason to think the Browns can't step up to mediocre in a year their division is down and they play an bad division in the AFC East.

Again, I'll point out that the AFC East may be down, but they're still at the Browns level or better. Also, I don't know why you think the rest of the AFC North is so down.


Because Baltimore and Pittsburgh are at the tail end of Super Bowl windows? They're both older teams rebuilding from solid playoff years. Pretty sure I mentioned that.

And yes the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins are at about the Browns level. I recognize that and say the Browns could win games against those teams. You say they are at the same level and then pretend the Browns can't win those games for some reason.
 
2013-04-11 03:47:09 PM  

js34603: No it isn't. You can pretend the NFL is a dynastic sport if you want to, but that isn't reality. The Lions sucked for a long time. They had a good year and made the playoffs.


I'm not pretending anything, I'm just saying that it's a little optimistic to assume (as you are) that the Browns are just going to win 8 games because you happen to think the rest of the division is worse.  I'd rather be on my side of the argument than yours, frankly.
 
2013-04-11 03:47:43 PM  
Also, even if the Browns front office had a massive brain fart and picked Geno Smith at #6 with Dee Milliner still on the board...Todd McShay is still an idiot.
 
2013-04-11 03:55:41 PM  

js34603: Yeah how did the Lions past records look the year before they made the playoffs? It's the NFL, teams that were shiatty suddenly make playoff or Super Bowl runs the next year.


Very true.  I'm not putting any money on the Browns, but face it... in the NFL, there's always at least one surprise team in the playoffs.

Now, usually these teams regress the next few years.  But in the NFL, there's always a team with a bizarre outlier year.
 
2013-04-11 03:55:51 PM  

js34603: And yes the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins are at about the Browns level. I recognize that and say the Browns could win games against those teams. You say they are at the same level and then pretend the Browns can't win those games for some reason.


It's unlikely that they win all of those games. They're unlikely to win any of the games against the NFC North, because all of those teams are better than they are. They're unlikely to win any of the games against their own division, because all of those teams are better than they are. They probably will beat the Chiefs and/or Jags.

Assuming they get a couple of wins they have no right getting and they go 50/50 with teams that are their level (we'll bump the Lions down to their level just for the hell of it) - that puts them at 6 wins. Which is about what they always do, historically.
 
2013-04-11 03:56:20 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: js34603: No it isn't. You can pretend the NFL is a dynastic sport if you want to, but that isn't reality. The Lions sucked for a long time. They had a good year and made the playoffs.

I'm not pretending anything, I'm just saying that it's a little optimistic to assume (as you are) that the Browns are just going to win 8 games because you happen to think the rest of the division is worse.  I'd rather be on my side of the argument than yours, frankly.


No, the rest of their division being worse is in response to the guy who said he pencils in 5 or 6 losses a year from within their own division. They aren't going to get swept in their division this year because the other teams got measurably worse (besides Cinci anyway). So if you only pencil in 3 losses from their division instead of 5 or 6 getting to 8 wins is a lot easier.

And I don't assume anything, we're not even to the draft yet. Anything could happen to any team that makes preseason predictions worthless.

But since all evidence points to bad teams becoming good and good teams regressing every year in the NFL I'd much rather be on the side of the argument that accepts the possibility the Browns could be one of the 'bad becomes good' teams than the side that pretends "they were bad last year so they're going to be bad forever."
 
2013-04-11 03:56:34 PM  
Fizpez:
/being bad is FAR less painful for Cleveland fans than being shown the "promised land" and then having the door slammed in your face.
//has MANY splinters on his face from those doors.


HA! Try being a Vikings fan.
 
2013-04-11 03:57:02 PM  

downstairs: But in the NFL, there's always a team with a bizarre outlier year.


On the bright side, the HC was the OC the last time the Browns had a bizarre outlier year, so hey, maybe lightning strikes twice and they do a great job despite another terrible QB.
 
2013-04-11 03:59:10 PM  

js34603: "they were bad last year so they're going to be bad forever."


With the Browns it's not really a case of "they were bad last year," it's a case of "they've been bad for their entire existence, and most of their existence when they were a different organization in the same place, too."

/though they sure kicked ass in the AAFC
 
2013-04-11 03:59:32 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: And yes the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins are at about the Browns level. I recognize that and say the Browns could win games against those teams. You say they are at the same level and then pretend the Browns can't win those games for some reason.

It's unlikely that they win all of those games. They're unlikely to win any of the games against the NFC North, because all of those teams are better than they are. They're unlikely to win any of the games against their own division, because all of those teams are better than they are. They probably will beat the Chiefs and/or Jags.

Assuming they get a couple of wins they have no right getting and they go 50/50 with teams that are their level (we'll bump the Lions down to their level just for the hell of it) - that puts them at 6 wins. Which is about what they always do, historically.


Funny they won a game in their division this year against a team that was better than them.
 
2013-04-11 04:03:15 PM  

js34603: But since all evidence points to bad teams becoming good and good teams regressing every year in the NFL I'd much rather be on the side of the argument that accepts the possibility the Browns could be one of the 'bad becomes good' teams than the side that pretends "they were bad last year so they're going to be bad forever."


Well since that's not what I said, I don't particularly care.  If memory serves, all I did was call your opinion optimistic, only to have you act as if I'm completely off my rocker to suggest that a team that has been bad would remain bad.

It's insane, I know, but try to wrap your head around it.
 
2013-04-11 04:05:34 PM  

IAmRight: With the Browns it's not really a case of "they were bad last year," it's a case of "they've been bad for their entire existence, and most of their existence when they were a different organization in the same place, too."


How dare you!  Terrible teams have had fluky good seasons before, so why won't you admit that the Browns are going to do that this year?

You know what's more common?  Terrible teams staying terrible, particularly when their QBs are terrible.
 
2013-04-11 04:06:10 PM  

js34603: Funny they won a game in their division this year against a team that was better than them.


Yes, and, if you'll look at what I said, they probably sneak one or two of those out, like they usually do. They're not going to go out and go 4-2 against their division or anything.
 
2013-04-11 04:08:49 PM  
And to clarify, no I'm not saying it's impossible for the Browns to win 8 games.  I'm saying I wouldn't bet on it.
 
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