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(Reuters)   For some unfathomable reason, Britain has chosen not to invite the President of Argentina to Margaret Thatcher's "Falklands War-themed" funeral next week   (reuters.com) divider line 18
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2013-04-11 02:48:45 PM
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The Thatcher Hate is truly a wonderment to behold. She saved the country from financial ruin and fought a just war to save the Falklands from invasion.

She did NOT "destroy the social fabric of Britain". She saved the country from outright MARXISTS hell bent on destroying Britain via industrial action, aided and abetted by the KGB. She reversed the stupid and destuctive Nationalization that has PROVED to be useless and counterproductive. Britain would've been a third world basket case if not for her actions.

She did good, and the whiney socialists who are STILL pissed off they were denied their prize can just suck it.
2013-04-11 02:27:21 PM
3 votes:

Lord Summerisle: Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone - as a political act, not a military one. Over three hundred men died, most of them teeange conscripts with no option but to be there. She was a deeply cold, selfish, contemptuous, vicious excuse for a human being and the world is better off without her. But she's done massive and lasting damage to Britain, she shredded the social fabric of the country and it's never recovered. I'll be attending a celebration party on Wednesday. Burn in hellfire, biatch. I wish the IRA had nailed you.


Not true. The Belgrano was 36 miles outside the 200-mile exclusion zone, and on a course parallel with it. Other Argentine naval and air forces were engaged in aggressive maneuvering toward the British task force. Thatcher's commanders on the spot asked for an exception to the 200-mile zone ROE, because they thought Belgrano was a  threat, and Thatcher agreed.

The two sides had already begun fighting in April, as the Brits retook South Georgia and captured an Argentine sub, so the idea that Argentinean warships were safe if they just stayed away from the Falklands is disingenous at best. The Brits formally warned the Argentines through diplomatic channels that any warship could be fair game if they considered it a threat, a week BEFORE the Belgrano headed out to a position near the exclusion zone.

Argentine Rear Admiral Allara, who was in charge of the task force that the Belgrano was part of, said "After that message of 23 April, the entire South Atlantic was an operational theatre for both sides. We, as professionals, said it was just too bad that we lost theBelgrano."

As for those teenage conscripts, who conscripted them and sent them out to fight professionals? Makes me sick to have to white knight Thatcher, so please quit with the misinformation based on propaganda put out by the since-deposed junta.
2013-04-11 02:43:06 PM
2 votes:

Lord Summerisle: Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone


Yeah, about that....

Belgrano was heading to the Falklands, secret papers reveal
Funny thing about signals intelligence:  It's held close to the chest, and it generally doesn't get revealed for decades after the event, and often it up-ends our conventional understanding of events.

Perfect example:  Our understanding of the Second Battle of the Atlantic, and indeed the conduct of most of WWII in Europe was woefully lacking prior to the revelations about Bletchley Park and their successes (and failures) against Axis signals.  Things that seemed coincidental, or decisions that seemed almost psychic or idiotic, are now shown to be due to mastery (or lack thereof) of the war in the aether.

Thus it is with the sinking of the ARA General Belgrano:  The British, who have since WWI been very, very good at signals intelligence, managed to intercept the HF communications of the Argentine navy, and apparently they had the ability to decrypt those messages, which is a major farkin' advantage.  If I know where you are, where you are going, and what you plan to do when you get there, I can probably prevent you from accomplishing your mission.

Either way it's irrelevant:  The Belgrano was a naval warship, so it was fair game inside or outside the exclusion zone.   Even the captain of the Belgrano himself agreed on that point.
2013-04-11 02:07:24 PM
2 votes:

Lord Summerisle: But she's done massive and lasting damage to Britain, she shredded the social fabric of the country and it's never recovered. I'll be attending a celebration party on Wednesday. Burn in hellfire, biatch. I wish the IRA had nailed you.


I think that's the socialist policies that followed Thatcher that's helped turn the UK into a great welfare state with a camera up everyone's backside.
2013-04-11 02:00:14 PM
2 votes:
Well, she needs to be remembered for something, and wrecking the UK's manufacturing base and poking giant holes in its social safety net aren't as much fun as kicking the crap out of a military junta.

I can't understand how she and/or Great Britain get criticized for the Falklands War. That was a reasonable, measured response to a military invasion by an aggressive autocracy. You don't want to fight wars, Argentina, then don't start them.

Also, the fact that Argentina dismisses the desires of the people who actually live on the Falklands is the reason why they're never going to get them. Self-determination is a fundamental principle of international law.
2013-04-11 06:51:57 PM
1 votes:
The real reason the Exocets stopped sinking British ships during the Falklands war (spoiler alert for those who prefer the movie plot Mitterrand kill code fantasy):

the Argentinians only had five Exocets.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17256975

Two Exocets were fired on May 35th and one sinks the Sheffield.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sheffield_%28D80%29

On May 7th Mitterrand tells his psychoanalyst he has given Thatcher the super secret codes
that "render deaf and blind the missiles".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/22/books.france

Inconveniently for this fantasy TWO Eocets hit and sink the Atlantic Conveyor on may 25th.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Atlantic_Conveyor

The Argentine Navy used their last AM39 Exocet missile attempting to attack Invincible on 30 May. There are Argentinean claims that the missile struck;[81][82] however the British have denied this, some citing that Avenger shot it down.[83][84] When Invincible returned to the UK after the war she showed no signs of missile damage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War#Sinking_of_HMS_Sheffield

Port Stanely was taken june 14 and operations ended on june 20.
2013-04-11 05:14:57 PM
1 votes:

mbillips: Well, she needs to be remembered for something, and wrecking the UK's manufacturing base and poking giant holes in its social safety net aren't as much fun as kicking the crap out of a military junta.


fullfact.org
(http://fullfact.org/factchecks/Growth_Labour_manufacturing-28817 )

That's a chart showing total manufacturing output in the UK. It's not just a myth that Margaret Thatcher destroyed manufacuturing, it's completely arse-about-face. The two blue periods, when manufacturing rose, had Conservative governments. The red periods, Labour.

You're entitled to your opinion of Thatcher, but not your own facts.
2013-04-11 04:40:44 PM
1 votes:
It seems the mods keep forgetting to post this for Thatcher like they did for Ted Kenndey so I'll keep doing it for them...

i.imgur.com
2013-04-11 03:37:12 PM
1 votes:

STRYPERSWINE: She was a great leader revered by other great leaders and when I compare who has been honoring her with the ghouls that have been celebrating her death, I know I'm on the right side.


She was revered by other leaders. Botha and Pinochet just loved her.
2013-04-11 03:36:56 PM
1 votes:

liam76: mbillips: Well, she needs to be remembered for something, and wrecking the UK's manufacturing base and poking giant holes in its social safety net aren't as much fun as kicking the crap out of a military junta.

Wasn't the manufacturing base circling the tubes for years?  What she did was more akin to pullingt heplug on life support.


not continuing to pump government money into unproductive 400 year old coal mines that the union refused to allow automation at is industrial sabotage. it's the governments job to employ buggy whip manufacturers until the end of time.
2013-04-11 02:45:41 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: Either way it's irrelevant: The Belgrano was a naval warship, so it was fair game inside or outside the exclusion zone. Even the captain of the Belgrano himself agreed on that point.


The Brits were seriously pissed off at that point and would have sunk the entire Argentine navy if they could have.
2013-04-11 02:42:52 PM
1 votes:

id10ts: Lord Summerisle: But she's done massive and lasting damage to Britain, she shredded the social fabric of the country and it's never recovered. I'll be attending a celebration party on Wednesday. Burn in hellfire, biatch. I wish the IRA had nailed you.

I think that's the socialist policies that followed Thatcher that's helped turn the UK into a great welfare state with a camera up everyone's backside.


Are you actually familiar with the UK?  They were "socialist" long before Thatcher.
2013-04-11 02:37:24 PM
1 votes:
Lord Summerisle:
Burn in hellfire, biatch.

"Thatcher's in hell.  She's only been there a few days and she's already shut down the furnaces and put everyone out of work."
2013-04-11 02:22:52 PM
1 votes:

Lord Summerisle: Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone - as a political act, not a military one. Over three hundred men died, most of them teeange conscripts with no option but to be there. She was a deeply cold, selfish, contemptuous, vicious excuse for a human being and the world is better off without her. But she's done massive and lasting damage to Britain, she shredded the social fabric of the country and it's never recovered. I'll be attending a celebration party on Wednesday. Burn in hellfire, biatch. I wish the IRA had nailed you.


The belgrano wad not steaming "for home". It was steaming away from the islands but heading for a rendezvous with other units to take further action.

Besides, in a war who cares which wad an enemy ship is heading anyway? What did it matter?
2013-04-11 02:12:39 PM
1 votes:
2013-04-11 02:02:57 PM
1 votes:
Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone - as a political act, not a military one. Over three hundred men died, most of them teeange conscripts with no option but to be there. She was a deeply cold, selfish, contemptuous, vicious excuse for a human being and the world is better off without her. But she's done massive and lasting damage to Britain, she shredded the social fabric of the country and it's never recovered. I'll be attending a celebration party on Wednesday. Burn in hellfire, biatch. I wish the IRA had nailed you.
2013-04-11 02:02:25 PM
1 votes:
I'm sure that Argentina's continued biatching, whining, and politicking to get the Falklands by other means has nothing to do with it.
2013-04-11 01:52:42 PM
1 votes:
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