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(Reuters)   For some unfathomable reason, Britain has chosen not to invite the President of Argentina to Margaret Thatcher's "Falklands War-themed" funeral next week   (reuters.com) divider line 122
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2013-04-11 03:28:13 PM  
She was a great leader revered by other great leaders and when I compare who has been honoring her with the ghouls that have been celebrating her death, I know I'm on the right side.
 
2013-04-11 03:28:39 PM  
mark12A: The Thatcher Hate is truly a wonderment to behold. She saved the country from financial ruin and fought a just war to save the Falklands from invasion.

She did NOT "destroy the social fabric of Britain". She saved the country from outright MARXISTS hell bent on destroying Britain via industrial action, aided and abetted by the KGB. She reversed the stupid and destuctive Nationalization that has PROVED to be useless and counterproductive. Britain would've been a third world basket case if not for her actions.

She did good, and the whiney socialists who are STILL pissed off they were denied their prize can just suck it.


Afraid so. I'm old enough to remember Britain in the 1970's. It was in an incredibly bad state socially and economically due the ineptitude and selfishness of the hard Left. At best it look like a triumph of wishful thinking over the awful truth statring us all in the face. At worst deliberate sabotage by political extremists for their own selfish ends.
We can still hear them even now, having proved themselves so massively, disastrously wrong all they have left is insults.

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: boogie! boogie! boogie!


See?
 
2013-04-11 03:31:52 PM  
Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.
 
2013-04-11 03:36:56 PM  

liam76: mbillips: Well, she needs to be remembered for something, and wrecking the UK's manufacturing base and poking giant holes in its social safety net aren't as much fun as kicking the crap out of a military junta.

Wasn't the manufacturing base circling the tubes for years?  What she did was more akin to pullingt heplug on life support.


not continuing to pump government money into unproductive 400 year old coal mines that the union refused to allow automation at is industrial sabotage. it's the governments job to employ buggy whip manufacturers until the end of time.
 
2013-04-11 03:37:12 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: She was a great leader revered by other great leaders and when I compare who has been honoring her with the ghouls that have been celebrating her death, I know I'm on the right side.


She was revered by other leaders. Botha and Pinochet just loved her.
 
2013-04-11 03:43:32 PM  

Latinwolf: Argentina's President
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x292]
Doesn't look like a "he" as some farkers claimed.


That's a man, baby!
 
2013-04-11 03:44:50 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: mark12A: The Thatcher Hate is truly a wonderment to behold. She saved the country from financial ruin

So all that North Sea oil revenue has nothing to do with it then?  Or are you saying she set up those oil rigs all by herself?


I guess if Barry can claim credit for increasing US oil production all by himself, then Thatcher fans can lay the same claim.
 
2013-04-11 03:45:03 PM  

EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.


they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.
 
2013-04-11 03:46:14 PM  
They could use some of these guys to escort the Argentine president.

img122.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-11 03:47:47 PM  
Those of us who remember the 70's & early 80's in the UK with the constant strikes and the "3-day-week" that affected almost everybody due to the power workers strike appreciate that Maggie dragged us into the late 20th century.

Pity Labor pissed it all away....
 
2013-04-11 03:51:40 PM  

relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.


France had codes for the missiles to ensure they never had to worry about one of their customers (Argentina being one) using them against them. After the Sheffield, France gave England the codes.

The codes were related to the tracking/targeting system of the missiles. They weren't disarm codes.
 
2013-04-11 03:54:50 PM  

NutznGum: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

France had codes for the missiles to ensure they never had to worry about one of their customers (Argentina being one) using them against them. After the Sheffield, France gave England the codes.

The codes were related to the tracking/targeting system of the missiles. They weren't disarm codes.



they told them about the radar. there are no *codes*. if there was a code no ships would have been lost. if there were codes no one would by the f*cking missiles.
 
2013-04-11 03:55:11 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: She was a great leader revered by other great leaders and when I compare who has been honoring her with the ghouls that have been celebrating her death, I know I'm on the right side.


I'm not celebrating her death.  It was more than 30 years too late to matter.
 
2013-04-11 03:55:55 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The funeral would be a perfect time for Argentina to invade the Falklands.  The Brits would never expect that.


not to mention this is the first time since WW I where the RN has NO aircraft carriers. (they do have 4 Typhoons in Falklands though)
 
2013-04-11 03:57:22 PM  
On the one hand, she was a war-mongering tool. On the other, she was proud of England's public healthcare program.
 
2013-04-11 03:58:23 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Marcus Aurelius: The funeral would be a perfect time for Argentina to invade the Falklands.  The Brits would never expect that.

not to mention this is the first time since WW I where the RN has NO aircraft carriers. (they do have 4 Typhoons in Falklands though)


I would wait until Best Korea does something completely stupid, then invade.
 
2013-04-11 03:58:30 PM  

CygnusDarius: On the one hand, she was a war-mongering tool. On the other, she was proud of England's public healthcare program.


Fkn commie
 
2013-04-11 03:59:01 PM  

relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.


The support for that contention is thin, but even if it is to be believed, the French didn't supply the IFF codes and homing radar info until *AFTER* the HMS Sheffield had been sunk, and then they supplied them only because Thatcher was threatening to go nuclear if the carriers were sunk.
 
2013-04-11 03:59:15 PM  

priapic_abandon: They could use some of these guys to escort the Argentine president.

[img122.imageshack.us image 400x342]


i23.photobucket.com

"Gurkha! Gurkha!"
 
2013-04-11 04:02:30 PM  
I think it's obvious that Fark now needs a Fark-Right and Fark-Left tab for comments.
Or maybe do away with the redundant ads on the comments pages and have three columns of comments.
Left - Center - Right.
Pure snark & trolling in the center column.
 
2013-04-11 04:03:38 PM  

relcec: NutznGum: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

France had codes for the missiles to ensure they never had to worry about one of their customers (Argentina being one) using them against them. After the Sheffield, France gave England the codes.

The codes were related to the tracking/targeting system of the missiles. They weren't disarm codes.


they told them about the radar. there are no *codes*. if there was a code no ships would have been lost. if there were codes no one would by the f*cking missiles.


The ships were sunk before the Brits got the info from France about the radar. I think 'code' refers to how the missiles would be identified by radar, not an actual code to shut them off or anything.
 
2013-04-11 04:03:48 PM  

dittybopper: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

The support for that contention is thin, but even if it is to be believed, the French didn't supply the IFF codes and homing radar info until *AFTER* the HMS Sheffield had been sunk, and then they supplied them only because Thatcher was threatening to go nuclear if the carriers were sunk.


there is no code to turn off radar or navigation systems. it is utterly ridiculous.
how'd you like to go to war with some former french colonial regime and find out a socialist mole in your defense industry gave up a code that turned off your most effective weapon system you've had in your inventory since the 1898 french 75mm artillery piece?
asinine.
 
2013-04-11 04:03:53 PM  

relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.


Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.
 
2013-04-11 04:07:18 PM  

relcec: EngineerAU: Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.


It's not disarm code per se BUT software and program codes as well as homing codes which the British were able to then use their radars, jammers etc to 'tuned' in more effectively against them and have a much higher chance of avoiding or defeating these missiles using counter meaures and things like that.
 
2013-04-11 04:10:30 PM  

Magorn: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.


so I'm supposed to believe mittarand's therapist that the french military put a code into their MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON SYSTEM IN A CENTURY that could render them harmless?
this isn't the movies. the idea itself is absolutely incredible.
 
2013-04-11 04:13:43 PM  

relcec: so I'm supposed to believe mittarand's therapist that the french military put a code into their MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON SYSTEM IN A CENTURY that could render them harmless?
this isn't the movies. the idea itself is absolutely incredible.


I know.  It's like the plot of a cheesy 1960's movie.

/It was actually TPC that was responsible.
 
2013-04-11 04:14:06 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: relcec: EngineerAU: Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

It's not disarm code per se BUT software and program codes as well as homing codes which the British were able to then use their radars, jammers etc to 'tuned' in more effectively against them and have a much higher chance of avoiding or defeating these missiles using counter meaures and things like that.


"Excuse me," Mitterrand begins, apologising for his late arrival. "I had a difference of opinion to settle with the Iron Lady. What an impossible woman, that Thatcher! "With her four nuclear submarines on mission in the southern Atlantic, she threatens to launch the atomic weapon against Argentina - unless I supply her with the secret codes that render deaf and blind the missiles we have sold to the Argentinians. Margaret has given me very precise instructions on the telephone."
now look at the source is, the therapist of a dead politician.
now think how insane it would be to put this type of code into your best weapon system.
it is insane. it never happened.
real life isn't like Independence Day.
 
2013-04-11 04:15:44 PM  

relcec: now think how insane it would be to put this type of code into your best weapon system.


Well, no, you *WOULD* do that if you didn't want the weapons to be turned on you.  Certainly, it's a wise move if you are selling weapons on the open market to have countermeasures for them, even it it's just a way to spoof the seeker head effectively.
 
2013-04-11 04:16:55 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: No Such Agency: Lord Summerisle:
Burn in hellfire, biatch.

"Thatcher's in hell.  She's only been there a few days and she's already shut down the furnaces and put everyone out of work."

Snerk!


British Leftists destroyed UK manufacturing. British Leyland, Really? nationalization nearly destroyed the british auto industry. Your workers paradise was making the worst cars on earth. 1970s British cars had build quality that made GM look like NASA.
 
2013-04-11 04:23:14 PM  

relcec: Magorn: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.

so I'm supposed to believe mittarand's therapist that the french military put a code into their MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON SYSTEM IN A CENTURY that could render them harmless?
this isn't the movies. the idea itself is absolutely incredible.


I don't find it very far fetched. IFF transponders and the like in US Military equipment work in somewhat the same way, eg a US-made stinger missile cannot lock on to an object such as an f-15 fighter, from which is recives a valid IFF code (which change daily in operational situations)  When you  sell weapons overseas, it's not a bad idea to build in failsafes that ensure they can't be used against you later
 
2013-04-11 04:24:00 PM  

priapic_abandon: They could use some of these guys to escort the Argentine president.

[img122.imageshack.us image 400x342]


That was the Argintinian junta really farking up. Before and during the war the Argintine army was fed nasty stories of how the Gurkha's were blood thirsty canabals who would ignore bullet wounds and eat the still warm flesh of those they killed. So on one of the battles that the Gurkha's were about the fight the CO sent word to the Argintines that it was the Gurkha's who were facing them and within half an hour the entire unit walked out with a white flag.

The Gurkha's treated them better than the offiercers who sent them to die on a rock in the Atlantic.

/It was the Argintines who extended the theatre of war by flying from the mainland. Anything between the air bases the Excocet armed planes were flying from and the Faulklands was a legitimate military target. Don't blame Thatcher for the crimes of the junta that sent boys thousands of miles away from home to die.
 
2013-04-11 04:28:40 PM  

Killer Cars: Has Argentina actually made a case directly to the otherwise happy-to-be-British residents of the Falklands? Instead of whining to the international community, try to sway the people actually f*cking living there.

I'm not a greedy man. You give me a free coupon for the deluxe car wash package and some Tim Hortons gift cards, and I'll at least listen to you.


I know, it was pretty outrageous of Argentina to go an inhabited island and tell all the residents they were part of their country now. England must have been scandalized, they would never do something like that.
 
2013-04-11 04:31:10 PM  

dittybopper: relcec: now think how insane it would be to put this type of code into your best weapon system.

Well, no, you *WOULD* do that if you didn't want the weapons to be turned on you.


it is not done. it would be stupid to do it. the only evidence it was done comes from the testimony of a therapist of a dead bloviating politician and the only reason you find it reasonable is because you've watched dozens of retarded movies where this was a crucial plot point to hang the life of hundreds of thousands of innocents on.
 
2013-04-11 04:36:00 PM  

relcec: SuperNinjaToad: relcec: EngineerAU: Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

It's not disarm code per se BUT software and program codes as well as homing codes which the British were able to then use their radars, jammers etc to 'tuned' in more effectively against them and have a much higher chance of avoiding or defeating these missiles using counter meaures and things like that.

"Excuse me," Mitterrand begins, apologising for his late arrival. "I had a difference of opinion to settle with the Iron Lady. What an impossible woman, that Thatcher! "With her four nuclear submarines on mission in the southern Atlantic, she threatens to launch the atomic weapon against Argentina - unless I supply her with the secret codes that render deaf and blind the missiles we have sold to the Argentinians. Margaret has given me very precise instructions on the telephone."
now look at the source is, the therapist of a dead politician.
now think how insane it would be to put this type of code into your best weapon system.
it is insane. it never happened.
real life isn't like Independence Day.


except IT DID happened! do some research before while you suspend your disbelief.
 
2013-04-11 04:39:23 PM  

Magorn: relcec: Magorn: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.

so I'm supposed to believe mittarand's therapist that the french military put a code into their MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON SYSTEM IN A CENTURY that could render them harmless?
this isn't the movies. the idea itself is absolutely incredible.

I don't find it very far fetched. IFF transponders and the like in US Military equipment work in somewhat the same way, eg a US-made stinger missile cannot lock on to an object such as an f-15 fighter, from which is recives a valid IFF code (which change daily in operational situations)  When you  sell weapons overseas, it's not a bad idea to build in failsafes that ensure they can't be used against you later


that's BS. it stops you from shooting at friendlies when you sink up the IFFs with the stingers, it doesn't stop enemies with the weapon shooting at anyone else.

your trying to tell me that stinger missiles sold back in 1995 have a system that can't be bypassed that has been generating a random IFF number everyday of their existence that only the united states has access to?
 
2013-04-11 04:40:44 PM  
It seems the mods keep forgetting to post this for Thatcher like they did for Ted Kenndey so I'll keep doing it for them...

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-11 04:42:04 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: relcec: SuperNinjaToad: relcec: EngineerAU: Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

It's not disarm code per se BUT software and program codes as well as homing codes which the British were able to then use their radars, jammers etc to 'tuned' in more effectively against them and have a much higher chance of avoiding or defeating these missiles using counter meaures and things like that.

"Excuse me," Mitterrand begins, apologising for his late arrival. "I had a difference of opinion to settle with the Iron Lady. What an impossible woman, that Thatcher! "With her four nuclear submarines on mission in the southern Atlantic, she threatens to launch the atomic weapon against Argentina - unless I supply her with the secret codes that render deaf and blind the missiles we have sold to the Argentinians. Margaret has given me very precise instructions on the telephone."
now look at the source is, the therapist of a dead politician.
now think how insane it would be to put this type of code into your best weapon system.
it is insane. it never happened.
real life isn't like Independence Day.

except IT DID happened! do some research before while you suspend your disbelief.


what is the evidence? the words of a long dead politician that was bloviating about his grand roll in the defeat of the Argentinians as told by his therapist 30 years later?
 
2013-04-11 04:43:37 PM  

relcec: dittybopper: relcec: now think how insane it would be to put this type of code into your best weapon system.

Well, no, you *WOULD* do that if you didn't want the weapons to be turned on you.

it is not done. it would be stupid to do it. the only evidence it was done comes from the testimony of a therapist of a dead bloviating politician and the only reason you find it reasonable is because you've watched dozens of retarded movies where this was a crucial plot point to hang the life of hundreds of thousands of innocents on.


If its done or not, I really can't say but I don't think its a far fetched idea to have some sort of safety built in to them to ensure they're not used against you. Obviously you wouldn't want to advertise this because as you say, no one would want to buy them. I think if you were going to sell a highly effective weapon on the open market, having some sort of countermeasure built into is a very practical idea.  I don't think the US military would sell weapons it didn't have an extremely effective defense against. I don't think France would either.
 
2013-04-11 04:49:49 PM  

relcec: Magorn: relcec: Magorn: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.

so I'm supposed to believe mittarand's therapist that the french military put a code into their MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON SYSTEM IN A CENTURY that could render them harmless?
this isn't the movies. the idea itself is absolutely incredible.

I don't find it very far fetched. IFF transponders and the like in US Military equipment work in somewhat the same way, eg a US-made stinger missile cannot lock on to an object such as an f-15 fighter, from which is recives a valid IFF code (which change daily in operational situations)  When you  sell weapons overseas, it's not a bad idea to build in failsafes that ensure they can't be used against you later

that's BS. it stops you from shooting at friendlies when you sink up the IFFs with the stingers, it doesn't stop enemies with the weapon shooting at anyone ...


I have to stop talking now because some of what I think I know comes from friends or family members who worked on similar devices for the US military, at about that time and while I'm pretty confident none of them would ever discuss something classified, I would hate to be wrong about that so I'm just going to say I don;t find the notion unreasonable and leave it at that
 
2013-04-11 04:50:25 PM  

EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.


Argentina has no legitimate claim to the islands, and the people have the right of self-determination. Should the British government just let anybody invade the islands and write the people off? How about we do that with Hawaii or Alaska? Hell, Puerto Rico's not even a state, let's invite the Cubans to invade and watch the people squirm.

Or, just perhaps, we ought to let people decide for themselves. The Falkland Islanders had the option of disassociating themselves with Britain, and they didn't choose that option. That's why Britain should continue to defend them.
 
2013-04-11 04:54:16 PM  
Hope that these guys get to go:
i652.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-11 04:56:30 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Argentina has no legitimate claim to the islands, and the people have the right of self-determination. Should the British government just let anybody invade the islands and write the people off? How about we do that with Hawaii or Alaska? Hell, Puerto Rico's not even a state, let's invite the Cubans to invade and watch the people squirm.

Or, just perhaps, we ought to let people decide for themselves. The Falkland Islanders had the option of disassociating themselves with Britain, and they didn't choose that option. That's why Britain should continue to defend them.


England taking a stand against the colonial ambitions of another nation is pretty funny.
 
2013-04-11 05:06:11 PM  
Why didn't the invasion of the Falklands initiate a NATO response?    These people are British and the UK is certiantly a member of NATO.   Or are they substantially "unattached" to the point that NATO retaliation does not apply?
 
2013-04-11 05:06:47 PM  

Magorn: relcec: Magorn: relcec: Magorn: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.

so I'm supposed to believe mittarand's therapist that the french military put a code into their MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON SYSTEM IN A CENTURY that could render them harmless?
this isn't the movies. the idea itself is absolutely incredible.

I don't find it very far fetched. IFF transponders and the like in US Military equipment work in somewhat the same way, eg a US-made stinger missile cannot lock on to an object such as an f-15 fighter, from which is recives a valid IFF code (which change daily in operational situations)  When you  sell weapons overseas, it's not a bad idea to build in failsafes that ensure they can't be used against you later

that's BS. it stops you from shooting at friendlies when you sink up the IFFs with the stingers, it doesn't stop enemies with the weapon shooting at ...



look, we don't even put kill codes into our own nuclear missiles. missiles that can kill 50 million people a pop, but we are supposed to believe, because of hearsay testimony of one therapist offered about a long dead politician, that france had a put one single code into it's exocets that if broadcast 4 years after delivery to Argentina would render the navigation systems inoperable?
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:tdSc6eZmLtQJ:scienceandgl ob alsecurity.org/archive/sgs02frankel.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGE ESg91nAIPs5Edd6gIQUcQp2d_klDNNfIpr1YY4aj5vHRUCwoek_gT7ocDtm5Y_WPHAVu_h exfft1QSEANNFD7nFmODWIKKgdffF8qQQatJZy9w56nkODhw2EFGdZmkFtHWpWwUet&sig =AHIEtbTYLuyLgKrb6Czz_386sNaOR5ZjZQ

and while granting your scenario is immensely more likely than the mittarand BS, if there is some supersecret random IFF generator that lasts for decades and only the u.s. has the algorithm to and therefore only the u.s. knows what the number will be on any given day, how did these stingers bring down u.s. army helicopters in Afghanistan?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-taliban-miss il e-strike-chinook

alright I'm done. believe the movie plot if you want.
 
2013-04-11 05:09:55 PM  
Even if Kirchner had been invited, she probably wouldn't have stayed long. After the Falklands War the Argentines learned that it's always good to have an exocet strategy...
 
2013-04-11 05:11:13 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Lord Summerisle: Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone - as a political act, not a military one. Over three hundred men died, most of them teeange conscripts with no option but to be there. She was a deeply cold, selfish, contemptuous, vicious excuse for a human being and the world is better off without her. But she's done massive and lasting damage to Britain, she shredded the social fabric of the country and it's never recovered. I'll be attending a celebration party on Wednesday. Burn in hellfire, biatch. I wish the IRA had nailed you.

The belgrano wad not steaming "for home". It was steaming away from the islands but heading for a rendezvous with other units to take further action.

Besides, in a war who cares which wad an enemy ship is heading anyway? What did it matter?


He calls them teenage conscripts.  They where soldiers and sailors of Argentina on a mission of WAR.  If they didn't want it sunk, they should not have sent it.  Why don't you have any tears for the innocent civilians that where invaded by a foreign army or the brave men that went to defend them?
 
2013-04-11 05:14:57 PM  

mbillips: Well, she needs to be remembered for something, and wrecking the UK's manufacturing base and poking giant holes in its social safety net aren't as much fun as kicking the crap out of a military junta.


fullfact.org
(http://fullfact.org/factchecks/Growth_Labour_manufacturing-28817 )

That's a chart showing total manufacturing output in the UK. It's not just a myth that Margaret Thatcher destroyed manufacuturing, it's completely arse-about-face. The two blue periods, when manufacturing rose, had Conservative governments. The red periods, Labour.

You're entitled to your opinion of Thatcher, but not your own facts.
 
2013-04-11 05:20:05 PM  

ethics-gradient: mark12A: The Thatcher Hate is truly a wonderment to behold. She saved the country from financial ruin and fought a just war to save the Falklands from invasion.

She did NOT "destroy the social fabric of Britain". She saved the country from outright MARXISTS hell bent on destroying Britain via industrial action, aided and abetted by the KGB. She reversed the stupid and destuctive Nationalization that has PROVED to be useless and counterproductive. Britain would've been a third world basket case if not for her actions.

She did good, and the whiney socialists who are STILL pissed off they were denied their prize can just suck it.

Afraid so. I'm old enough to remember Britain in the 1970's. It was in an incredibly bad state socially and economically due the ineptitude and selfishness of the hard Left. At best it look like a triumph of wishful thinking over the awful truth statring us all in the face. At worst deliberate sabotage by political extremists for their own selfish ends.
We can still hear them even now, having proved themselves so massively, disastrously wrong all they have left is insults.

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: boogie! boogie! boogie!

See?


heh...I can picture you both shouting 'MARXISTS!' and expecting the world to recoil like a Victorian heroine facing Ming the Merciless.
 
2013-04-11 05:21:43 PM  

Maul555: Why didn't the invasion of the Falklands initiate a NATO response?    These people are British and the UK is certiantly a member of NATO.   Or are they substantially "unattached" to the point that NATO retaliation does not apply?


I watched a doc about it where alexander haig said some u.s. government officials were reluctant to get invovled he was willing to offer to transfer supercarriers to the royal navy if asked, but they only wanted the sidewinders and gas.

one last thing to add evidence to my point.
until 1977 the u.s. nuclear launch codes were 000000.
and this wasn't done out of pure lethargy.
the military has historically been far more worried about reliability of weapon systems at the moment of truth than creating complex systems to prevent accidental launch, friendly fire, or taking losses from opposing forces with our own systems decades down the line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permissive_Action_Link#cite_note-7
 
2013-04-11 05:28:39 PM  

Lord Summerisle: Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone - as a political act, not a military one.


The Argentinians had already been warned that any ships operating near the exclusion zone could be subject to hostile attack. The Argentine Navy (in the period between the Falklands War and Kirchner using the Falklands as cover for her disastrous mismangement) have declared it to be a legitimate act of war.
 
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