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(Reuters)   For some unfathomable reason, Britain has chosen not to invite the President of Argentina to Margaret Thatcher's "Falklands War-themed" funeral next week   (reuters.com) divider line 122
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2013-04-11 12:11:59 PM
Did he threaten to take over the casket?
 
2013-04-11 12:21:24 PM
i hope she says, "gotcha!"
 
2013-04-11 12:25:56 PM
Given that they are already classless enough to be throwing a "themed" funeral and a war-themed one at that, I'm a little suprised that the organizers didn't invite her to be dragged  naked, and in chains, behind the funeral caisson and ritually garrotted at the end of the ceremony.  I mean, if you are going to do a Roman triumph, do it right for pity's sake
 
2013-04-11 01:39:22 PM

Magorn: Given that they are already classless enough to be throwing a "themed" funeral and a war-themed one at that, I'm a little suprised that the organizers didn't invite her to be dragged  naked, and in chains, behind the funeral caisson and ritually garrotted at the end of the ceremony.  I mean, if you are going to do a Roman triumph, do it right for pity's sake


Hey, Cristina Kirchner ain't too bad lookin':

m24digital.com

I'd ritually garrote her with my penis.
 
2013-04-11 01:42:27 PM

Magorn: Given that they are already classless enough to be throwing a "themed" funeral and a war-themed one at that, I'm a little suprised that the organizers didn't invite her to be dragged  naked, and in chains, behind the funeral caisson and ritually garrotted at the end of the ceremony.  I mean, if you are going to do a Roman triumph, do it right for pity's sake


Remember Margaret: thou art morta-...

...Oh right.
 
2013-04-11 01:47:46 PM
What about the "Apartheid Supporter" funeral?
 
2013-04-11 01:47:57 PM
They needed the Falkland Islands...

for strategic sheep purposes.


Do you have a flag?
 
2013-04-11 01:50:01 PM
When Dubya dies, I'm sure the funeral will be a "Spring Time for Hitler" affair, with 9/11 reenactments, a Bob Hope "road" type search for chemical weapons in Iraq and a bunch of unfunded mandate stuff.
 
2013-04-11 01:50:17 PM
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-04-11 01:50:36 PM

vernonFL: What about the "Apartheid Supporter" funeral?


Or a Chilean-Pinnochet theme. None of the attendees are ever seen again after.
 
2013-04-11 01:52:19 PM
Remember the Sheffield!
 
2013-04-11 01:52:37 PM

Katolu: When Dubya dies, I'm sure the funeral will be a "Spring Time for Hitler" affair, with 9/11 reenactments, a Bob Hope "road" type search for chemical weapons in Iraq and a bunch of unfunded mandate stuff.


Its gonna be like Mardi Gras at my house when Dick Cheney dies.
 
2013-04-11 01:52:42 PM
i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-11 01:53:21 PM

id10ts: Remember the Sheffield!


Aluminium superstructure is such a hot idea.
 
2013-04-11 01:55:54 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk
She'd probably wear a t-shirt w/ this on it. I know I would.
 
2013-04-11 01:57:08 PM
the reason he wasn't invited was because her will included the line "Don't cry for me, Argentina"
 
2013-04-11 01:59:00 PM
The funeral would be a perfect time for Argentina to invade the Falklands.  The Brits would never expect that.
 
2013-04-11 02:00:14 PM
Well, she needs to be remembered for something, and wrecking the UK's manufacturing base and poking giant holes in its social safety net aren't as much fun as kicking the crap out of a military junta.

I can't understand how she and/or Great Britain get criticized for the Falklands War. That was a reasonable, measured response to a military invasion by an aggressive autocracy. You don't want to fight wars, Argentina, then don't start them.

Also, the fact that Argentina dismisses the desires of the people who actually live on the Falklands is the reason why they're never going to get them. Self-determination is a fundamental principle of international law.
 
2013-04-11 02:00:29 PM

shArkh: id10ts: Remember the Sheffield!

Aluminium superstructure is such a hot idea.


Bad damage control procedures was hotter.
For the next couple years US Navy used the Sheffield as a 'what not to do' training scenario.
(I guess the Forrestal fire wasn't enough to make the point.)
 
2013-04-11 02:02:25 PM
I'm sure that Argentina's continued biatching, whining, and politicking to get the Falklands by other means has nothing to do with it.
 
2013-04-11 02:02:57 PM
Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone - as a political act, not a military one. Over three hundred men died, most of them teeange conscripts with no option but to be there. She was a deeply cold, selfish, contemptuous, vicious excuse for a human being and the world is better off without her. But she's done massive and lasting damage to Britain, she shredded the social fabric of the country and it's never recovered. I'll be attending a celebration party on Wednesday. Burn in hellfire, biatch. I wish the IRA had nailed you.
 
2013-04-11 02:06:31 PM
Has Argentina actually made a case directly to the otherwise happy-to-be-British residents of the Falklands? Instead of whining to the international community, try to sway the people actually f*cking living there.

I'm not a greedy man. You give me a free coupon for the deluxe car wash package and some Tim Hortons gift cards, and I'll at least listen to you.
 
2013-04-11 02:07:24 PM

Lord Summerisle: But she's done massive and lasting damage to Britain, she shredded the social fabric of the country and it's never recovered. I'll be attending a celebration party on Wednesday. Burn in hellfire, biatch. I wish the IRA had nailed you.


I think that's the socialist policies that followed Thatcher that's helped turn the UK into a great welfare state with a camera up everyone's backside.
 
2013-04-11 02:12:39 PM
 
2013-04-11 02:14:22 PM
This means WAR!
 
2013-04-11 02:22:52 PM

Lord Summerisle: Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone - as a political act, not a military one. Over three hundred men died, most of them teeange conscripts with no option but to be there. She was a deeply cold, selfish, contemptuous, vicious excuse for a human being and the world is better off without her. But she's done massive and lasting damage to Britain, she shredded the social fabric of the country and it's never recovered. I'll be attending a celebration party on Wednesday. Burn in hellfire, biatch. I wish the IRA had nailed you.


The belgrano wad not steaming "for home". It was steaming away from the islands but heading for a rendezvous with other units to take further action.

Besides, in a war who cares which wad an enemy ship is heading anyway? What did it matter?
 
2013-04-11 02:25:01 PM

dittybopper: Magorn: Given that they are already classless enough to be throwing a "themed" funeral and a war-themed one at that, I'm a little suprised that the organizers didn't invite her to be dragged  naked, and in chains, behind the funeral caisson and ritually garrotted at the end of the ceremony.  I mean, if you are going to do a Roman triumph, do it right for pity's sake

Hey, Cristina Kirchner ain't too bad lookin':

[m24digital.com image 500x300]

I'd ritually garrote her with my penis.


She's ugly if you're under 70.
 
2013-04-11 02:25:04 PM
Countries England has invaded:
i.telegraph.co.uk

Its like they're trying to compensate for the size of their tiny island.
 
2013-04-11 02:26:39 PM
Argentina's President
upload.wikimedia.org
Doesn't look like a "he" as some farkers claimed.
 
2013-04-11 02:27:10 PM

Magorn: Given that they are already classless enough to be throwing a "themed" funeral and a war-themed one at that, I'm a little suprised that the organizers didn't invite her to be dragged  naked, and in chains, behind the funeral caisson and ritually garrotted at the end of the ceremony.  I mean, if you are going to do a Roman triumph, do it right for pity's sake


Indeed.  I really don't get the idea of having a themed funeral, especially for a head-of-state.  The theme of the funeral is: the old PM who truly had a lasting effect on the country is dead.  A theme is superfluous and crass.  That goes without regard for whether people have hate or love for her.  It seems very unBritish (but I am an American, so that could just be my British stereotypes kicking in).

Are we going to have an Iraq themed funeral for Cheney when he fully transitions to a full lich?
 
2013-04-11 02:27:21 PM

Lord Summerisle: Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone - as a political act, not a military one. Over three hundred men died, most of them teeange conscripts with no option but to be there. She was a deeply cold, selfish, contemptuous, vicious excuse for a human being and the world is better off without her. But she's done massive and lasting damage to Britain, she shredded the social fabric of the country and it's never recovered. I'll be attending a celebration party on Wednesday. Burn in hellfire, biatch. I wish the IRA had nailed you.


Not true. The Belgrano was 36 miles outside the 200-mile exclusion zone, and on a course parallel with it. Other Argentine naval and air forces were engaged in aggressive maneuvering toward the British task force. Thatcher's commanders on the spot asked for an exception to the 200-mile zone ROE, because they thought Belgrano was a  threat, and Thatcher agreed.

The two sides had already begun fighting in April, as the Brits retook South Georgia and captured an Argentine sub, so the idea that Argentinean warships were safe if they just stayed away from the Falklands is disingenous at best. The Brits formally warned the Argentines through diplomatic channels that any warship could be fair game if they considered it a threat, a week BEFORE the Belgrano headed out to a position near the exclusion zone.

Argentine Rear Admiral Allara, who was in charge of the task force that the Belgrano was part of, said "After that message of 23 April, the entire South Atlantic was an operational theatre for both sides. We, as professionals, said it was just too bad that we lost theBelgrano."

As for those teenage conscripts, who conscripted them and sent them out to fight professionals? Makes me sick to have to white knight Thatcher, so please quit with the misinformation based on propaganda put out by the since-deposed junta.
 
2013-04-11 02:35:30 PM
The iron lady's dead?!
I must've missed the memo.

/been busy and/or traveling.
 
2013-04-11 02:37:24 PM
Lord Summerisle:
Burn in hellfire, biatch.

"Thatcher's in hell.  She's only been there a few days and she's already shut down the furnaces and put everyone out of work."
 
2013-04-11 02:38:27 PM
Shouldn't Tony Stark decide who gets an invite and who doesn't?
 
2013-04-11 02:40:41 PM

Lord Summerisle: Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone - as a political act, not a military one. Over three hundred men died, most of them teeange conscripts with no option but to be there. She was a deeply cold, selfish, contemptuous, vicious excuse for a human being and the world is better off without her. But she's done massive and lasting damage to Britain, she shredded the social fabric of the country and it's never recovered. I'll be attending a celebration party on Wednesday. Burn in hellfire, biatch. I wish the IRA had nailed you.


You should tell how you REALLY feel.  And don't hold anything back this time.

/you are correct in your observations
 
2013-04-11 02:42:52 PM

id10ts: Lord Summerisle: But she's done massive and lasting damage to Britain, she shredded the social fabric of the country and it's never recovered. I'll be attending a celebration party on Wednesday. Burn in hellfire, biatch. I wish the IRA had nailed you.

I think that's the socialist policies that followed Thatcher that's helped turn the UK into a great welfare state with a camera up everyone's backside.


Are you actually familiar with the UK?  They were "socialist" long before Thatcher.
 
2013-04-11 02:43:06 PM

Lord Summerisle: Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone


Yeah, about that....

Belgrano was heading to the Falklands, secret papers reveal
Funny thing about signals intelligence:  It's held close to the chest, and it generally doesn't get revealed for decades after the event, and often it up-ends our conventional understanding of events.

Perfect example:  Our understanding of the Second Battle of the Atlantic, and indeed the conduct of most of WWII in Europe was woefully lacking prior to the revelations about Bletchley Park and their successes (and failures) against Axis signals.  Things that seemed coincidental, or decisions that seemed almost psychic or idiotic, are now shown to be due to mastery (or lack thereof) of the war in the aether.

Thus it is with the sinking of the ARA General Belgrano:  The British, who have since WWI been very, very good at signals intelligence, managed to intercept the HF communications of the Argentine navy, and apparently they had the ability to decrypt those messages, which is a major farkin' advantage.  If I know where you are, where you are going, and what you plan to do when you get there, I can probably prevent you from accomplishing your mission.

Either way it's irrelevant:  The Belgrano was a naval warship, so it was fair game inside or outside the exclusion zone.   Even the captain of the Belgrano himself agreed on that point.
 
2013-04-11 02:43:59 PM

No Such Agency: Lord Summerisle:
Burn in hellfire, biatch.

"Thatcher's in hell.  She's only been there a few days and she's already shut down the furnaces and put everyone out of work."


Snerk!
 
2013-04-11 02:45:41 PM

dittybopper: Either way it's irrelevant: The Belgrano was a naval warship, so it was fair game inside or outside the exclusion zone. Even the captain of the Belgrano himself agreed on that point.


The Brits were seriously pissed off at that point and would have sunk the entire Argentine navy if they could have.
 
2013-04-11 02:46:01 PM

Lord Summerisle: Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone - as a political act, not a military one. Over three hundred men died, most of them teeange conscripts with no option but to be there. She was a deeply cold, selfish, contemptuous, vicious excuse for a human being and the world is better off without her. But she's done massive and lasting damage to Britain, she shredded the social fabric of the country and it's never recovered. I'll be attending a celebration party on Wednesday. Burn in hellfire, biatch. I wish the IRA had nailed you.


+1.  Britain should've boarded the ship, endured the necessary casualties, and given those teenagers a good talking to and set them on their way.

And Maggie Thatcher shredded the British social fabric?  What?!  You sound like a conservative whinging about gay marriage or something.  What altered British culture was the massive influx of immigrants that altered the culture (and relax about that, by the way, it's natural evolution - you'll get used to it and your godawful cuisine is already benefitting from the newcomers).  Or the rampant alcoholism.  Or the drastically increased welfare safety net.
 
2013-04-11 02:47:27 PM

Eternal Virgin: She's ugly if you're under 70.


Says the person whose Nom de Fark is "Eternal Virgin".
 
2013-04-11 02:48:16 PM

FLMountainMan: What altered British culture was the massive influx of immigrants that altered the culture


Goddamnitsomuch
 
2013-04-11 02:48:45 PM
The Thatcher Hate is truly a wonderment to behold. She saved the country from financial ruin and fought a just war to save the Falklands from invasion.

She did NOT "destroy the social fabric of Britain". She saved the country from outright MARXISTS hell bent on destroying Britain via industrial action, aided and abetted by the KGB. She reversed the stupid and destuctive Nationalization that has PROVED to be useless and counterproductive. Britain would've been a third world basket case if not for her actions.

She did good, and the whiney socialists who are STILL pissed off they were denied their prize can just suck it.
 
2013-04-11 02:52:16 PM

mark12A: The Thatcher Hate is truly a wonderment to behold. She saved the country from financial ruin and fought a just war to save the Falklands from invasion.

She did NOT "destroy the social fabric of Britain". She saved the country from outright MARXISTS hell bent on destroying Britain via industrial action, aided and abetted by the KGB. She reversed the stupid and destuctive Nationalization that has PROVED to be useless and counterproductive. Britain would've been a third world basket case if not for her actions.

She did good, and the whiney socialists who are STILL pissed off they were denied their prize can just suck it.


Its an outrage the English won't afford her the respect the American right wing demands she is entitled to.
 
2013-04-11 02:53:04 PM

mark12A: The Thatcher Hate is truly a wonderment to behold. She saved the country from financial ruin


So all that North Sea oil revenue has nothing to do with it then?  Or are you saying she set up those oil rigs all by herself?
 
2013-04-11 02:59:38 PM
I like the idea of a funeral that fondly commerates the time that I crushed my enemies, saw them driven before me, and heard the lamintations of their women.
 
2013-04-11 03:06:06 PM

mbillips: Well, she needs to be remembered for something, and wrecking the UK's manufacturing base and poking giant holes in its social safety net aren't as much fun as kicking the crap out of a military junta.

I can't understand how she and/or Great Britain get criticized for the Falklands War. That was a reasonable, measured response to a military invasion by an aggressive autocracy. You don't want to fight wars, Argentina, then don't start them.

Also, the fact that Argentina dismisses the desires of the people who actually live on the Falklands is the reason why they're never going to get them. Self-determination is a fundamental principle of international law.


what holes in the safety net?
isn't housing, food, and healthcare an absolute entitlement there?
what are you looking for in terms of a safety net?
a range rover?
 
2013-04-11 03:06:49 PM

mark12A: MARXISTS


boogie! boogie! boogie!
 
2013-04-11 03:21:53 PM

mbillips: Well, she needs to be remembered for something, and wrecking the UK's manufacturing base and poking giant holes in its social safety net aren't as much fun as kicking the crap out of a military junta.


Wasn't the manufacturing base circling the tubes for years?  What she did was more akin to pullingt heplug on life support.
 
2013-04-11 03:23:06 PM

Lord Summerisle: Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone - as a political act, not a military one. Over three hundred men died, most of them teeange conscripts with no option but to be there.


Dont forget that they were on their way to make a donation to Mother Theresa.
 
2013-04-11 03:28:13 PM
She was a great leader revered by other great leaders and when I compare who has been honoring her with the ghouls that have been celebrating her death, I know I'm on the right side.
 
2013-04-11 03:28:39 PM
mark12A: The Thatcher Hate is truly a wonderment to behold. She saved the country from financial ruin and fought a just war to save the Falklands from invasion.

She did NOT "destroy the social fabric of Britain". She saved the country from outright MARXISTS hell bent on destroying Britain via industrial action, aided and abetted by the KGB. She reversed the stupid and destuctive Nationalization that has PROVED to be useless and counterproductive. Britain would've been a third world basket case if not for her actions.

She did good, and the whiney socialists who are STILL pissed off they were denied their prize can just suck it.


Afraid so. I'm old enough to remember Britain in the 1970's. It was in an incredibly bad state socially and economically due the ineptitude and selfishness of the hard Left. At best it look like a triumph of wishful thinking over the awful truth statring us all in the face. At worst deliberate sabotage by political extremists for their own selfish ends.
We can still hear them even now, having proved themselves so massively, disastrously wrong all they have left is insults.

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: boogie! boogie! boogie!


See?
 
2013-04-11 03:31:52 PM
Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.
 
2013-04-11 03:36:56 PM

liam76: mbillips: Well, she needs to be remembered for something, and wrecking the UK's manufacturing base and poking giant holes in its social safety net aren't as much fun as kicking the crap out of a military junta.

Wasn't the manufacturing base circling the tubes for years?  What she did was more akin to pullingt heplug on life support.


not continuing to pump government money into unproductive 400 year old coal mines that the union refused to allow automation at is industrial sabotage. it's the governments job to employ buggy whip manufacturers until the end of time.
 
2013-04-11 03:37:12 PM

STRYPERSWINE: She was a great leader revered by other great leaders and when I compare who has been honoring her with the ghouls that have been celebrating her death, I know I'm on the right side.


She was revered by other leaders. Botha and Pinochet just loved her.
 
2013-04-11 03:43:32 PM

Latinwolf: Argentina's President
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x292]
Doesn't look like a "he" as some farkers claimed.


That's a man, baby!
 
2013-04-11 03:44:50 PM

Marcus Aurelius: mark12A: The Thatcher Hate is truly a wonderment to behold. She saved the country from financial ruin

So all that North Sea oil revenue has nothing to do with it then?  Or are you saying she set up those oil rigs all by herself?


I guess if Barry can claim credit for increasing US oil production all by himself, then Thatcher fans can lay the same claim.
 
2013-04-11 03:45:03 PM

EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.


they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.
 
2013-04-11 03:46:14 PM
They could use some of these guys to escort the Argentine president.

img122.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-11 03:47:47 PM
Those of us who remember the 70's & early 80's in the UK with the constant strikes and the "3-day-week" that affected almost everybody due to the power workers strike appreciate that Maggie dragged us into the late 20th century.

Pity Labor pissed it all away....
 
2013-04-11 03:51:40 PM

relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.


France had codes for the missiles to ensure they never had to worry about one of their customers (Argentina being one) using them against them. After the Sheffield, France gave England the codes.

The codes were related to the tracking/targeting system of the missiles. They weren't disarm codes.
 
2013-04-11 03:54:50 PM

NutznGum: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

France had codes for the missiles to ensure they never had to worry about one of their customers (Argentina being one) using them against them. After the Sheffield, France gave England the codes.

The codes were related to the tracking/targeting system of the missiles. They weren't disarm codes.



they told them about the radar. there are no *codes*. if there was a code no ships would have been lost. if there were codes no one would by the f*cking missiles.
 
2013-04-11 03:55:11 PM

STRYPERSWINE: She was a great leader revered by other great leaders and when I compare who has been honoring her with the ghouls that have been celebrating her death, I know I'm on the right side.


I'm not celebrating her death.  It was more than 30 years too late to matter.
 
2013-04-11 03:55:55 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The funeral would be a perfect time for Argentina to invade the Falklands.  The Brits would never expect that.


not to mention this is the first time since WW I where the RN has NO aircraft carriers. (they do have 4 Typhoons in Falklands though)
 
2013-04-11 03:57:22 PM
On the one hand, she was a war-mongering tool. On the other, she was proud of England's public healthcare program.
 
2013-04-11 03:58:23 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Marcus Aurelius: The funeral would be a perfect time for Argentina to invade the Falklands.  The Brits would never expect that.

not to mention this is the first time since WW I where the RN has NO aircraft carriers. (they do have 4 Typhoons in Falklands though)


I would wait until Best Korea does something completely stupid, then invade.
 
2013-04-11 03:58:30 PM

CygnusDarius: On the one hand, she was a war-mongering tool. On the other, she was proud of England's public healthcare program.


Fkn commie
 
2013-04-11 03:59:01 PM

relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.


The support for that contention is thin, but even if it is to be believed, the French didn't supply the IFF codes and homing radar info until *AFTER* the HMS Sheffield had been sunk, and then they supplied them only because Thatcher was threatening to go nuclear if the carriers were sunk.
 
2013-04-11 03:59:15 PM

priapic_abandon: They could use some of these guys to escort the Argentine president.

[img122.imageshack.us image 400x342]


i23.photobucket.com

"Gurkha! Gurkha!"
 
2013-04-11 04:02:30 PM
I think it's obvious that Fark now needs a Fark-Right and Fark-Left tab for comments.
Or maybe do away with the redundant ads on the comments pages and have three columns of comments.
Left - Center - Right.
Pure snark & trolling in the center column.
 
2013-04-11 04:03:38 PM

relcec: NutznGum: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

France had codes for the missiles to ensure they never had to worry about one of their customers (Argentina being one) using them against them. After the Sheffield, France gave England the codes.

The codes were related to the tracking/targeting system of the missiles. They weren't disarm codes.


they told them about the radar. there are no *codes*. if there was a code no ships would have been lost. if there were codes no one would by the f*cking missiles.


The ships were sunk before the Brits got the info from France about the radar. I think 'code' refers to how the missiles would be identified by radar, not an actual code to shut them off or anything.
 
2013-04-11 04:03:48 PM

dittybopper: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

The support for that contention is thin, but even if it is to be believed, the French didn't supply the IFF codes and homing radar info until *AFTER* the HMS Sheffield had been sunk, and then they supplied them only because Thatcher was threatening to go nuclear if the carriers were sunk.


there is no code to turn off radar or navigation systems. it is utterly ridiculous.
how'd you like to go to war with some former french colonial regime and find out a socialist mole in your defense industry gave up a code that turned off your most effective weapon system you've had in your inventory since the 1898 french 75mm artillery piece?
asinine.
 
2013-04-11 04:03:53 PM

relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.


Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.
 
2013-04-11 04:07:18 PM

relcec: EngineerAU: Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.


It's not disarm code per se BUT software and program codes as well as homing codes which the British were able to then use their radars, jammers etc to 'tuned' in more effectively against them and have a much higher chance of avoiding or defeating these missiles using counter meaures and things like that.
 
2013-04-11 04:10:30 PM

Magorn: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.


so I'm supposed to believe mittarand's therapist that the french military put a code into their MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON SYSTEM IN A CENTURY that could render them harmless?
this isn't the movies. the idea itself is absolutely incredible.
 
2013-04-11 04:13:43 PM

relcec: so I'm supposed to believe mittarand's therapist that the french military put a code into their MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON SYSTEM IN A CENTURY that could render them harmless?
this isn't the movies. the idea itself is absolutely incredible.


I know.  It's like the plot of a cheesy 1960's movie.

/It was actually TPC that was responsible.
 
2013-04-11 04:14:06 PM

SuperNinjaToad: relcec: EngineerAU: Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

It's not disarm code per se BUT software and program codes as well as homing codes which the British were able to then use their radars, jammers etc to 'tuned' in more effectively against them and have a much higher chance of avoiding or defeating these missiles using counter meaures and things like that.


"Excuse me," Mitterrand begins, apologising for his late arrival. "I had a difference of opinion to settle with the Iron Lady. What an impossible woman, that Thatcher! "With her four nuclear submarines on mission in the southern Atlantic, she threatens to launch the atomic weapon against Argentina - unless I supply her with the secret codes that render deaf and blind the missiles we have sold to the Argentinians. Margaret has given me very precise instructions on the telephone."
now look at the source is, the therapist of a dead politician.
now think how insane it would be to put this type of code into your best weapon system.
it is insane. it never happened.
real life isn't like Independence Day.
 
2013-04-11 04:15:44 PM

relcec: now think how insane it would be to put this type of code into your best weapon system.


Well, no, you *WOULD* do that if you didn't want the weapons to be turned on you.  Certainly, it's a wise move if you are selling weapons on the open market to have countermeasures for them, even it it's just a way to spoof the seeker head effectively.
 
2013-04-11 04:16:55 PM

Marcus Aurelius: No Such Agency: Lord Summerisle:
Burn in hellfire, biatch.

"Thatcher's in hell.  She's only been there a few days and she's already shut down the furnaces and put everyone out of work."

Snerk!


British Leftists destroyed UK manufacturing. British Leyland, Really? nationalization nearly destroyed the british auto industry. Your workers paradise was making the worst cars on earth. 1970s British cars had build quality that made GM look like NASA.
 
2013-04-11 04:23:14 PM

relcec: Magorn: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.

so I'm supposed to believe mittarand's therapist that the french military put a code into their MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON SYSTEM IN A CENTURY that could render them harmless?
this isn't the movies. the idea itself is absolutely incredible.


I don't find it very far fetched. IFF transponders and the like in US Military equipment work in somewhat the same way, eg a US-made stinger missile cannot lock on to an object such as an f-15 fighter, from which is recives a valid IFF code (which change daily in operational situations)  When you  sell weapons overseas, it's not a bad idea to build in failsafes that ensure they can't be used against you later
 
2013-04-11 04:24:00 PM

priapic_abandon: They could use some of these guys to escort the Argentine president.

[img122.imageshack.us image 400x342]


That was the Argintinian junta really farking up. Before and during the war the Argintine army was fed nasty stories of how the Gurkha's were blood thirsty canabals who would ignore bullet wounds and eat the still warm flesh of those they killed. So on one of the battles that the Gurkha's were about the fight the CO sent word to the Argintines that it was the Gurkha's who were facing them and within half an hour the entire unit walked out with a white flag.

The Gurkha's treated them better than the offiercers who sent them to die on a rock in the Atlantic.

/It was the Argintines who extended the theatre of war by flying from the mainland. Anything between the air bases the Excocet armed planes were flying from and the Faulklands was a legitimate military target. Don't blame Thatcher for the crimes of the junta that sent boys thousands of miles away from home to die.
 
2013-04-11 04:28:40 PM

Killer Cars: Has Argentina actually made a case directly to the otherwise happy-to-be-British residents of the Falklands? Instead of whining to the international community, try to sway the people actually f*cking living there.

I'm not a greedy man. You give me a free coupon for the deluxe car wash package and some Tim Hortons gift cards, and I'll at least listen to you.


I know, it was pretty outrageous of Argentina to go an inhabited island and tell all the residents they were part of their country now. England must have been scandalized, they would never do something like that.
 
2013-04-11 04:31:10 PM

dittybopper: relcec: now think how insane it would be to put this type of code into your best weapon system.

Well, no, you *WOULD* do that if you didn't want the weapons to be turned on you.


it is not done. it would be stupid to do it. the only evidence it was done comes from the testimony of a therapist of a dead bloviating politician and the only reason you find it reasonable is because you've watched dozens of retarded movies where this was a crucial plot point to hang the life of hundreds of thousands of innocents on.
 
2013-04-11 04:36:00 PM

relcec: SuperNinjaToad: relcec: EngineerAU: Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

It's not disarm code per se BUT software and program codes as well as homing codes which the British were able to then use their radars, jammers etc to 'tuned' in more effectively against them and have a much higher chance of avoiding or defeating these missiles using counter meaures and things like that.

"Excuse me," Mitterrand begins, apologising for his late arrival. "I had a difference of opinion to settle with the Iron Lady. What an impossible woman, that Thatcher! "With her four nuclear submarines on mission in the southern Atlantic, she threatens to launch the atomic weapon against Argentina - unless I supply her with the secret codes that render deaf and blind the missiles we have sold to the Argentinians. Margaret has given me very precise instructions on the telephone."
now look at the source is, the therapist of a dead politician.
now think how insane it would be to put this type of code into your best weapon system.
it is insane. it never happened.
real life isn't like Independence Day.


except IT DID happened! do some research before while you suspend your disbelief.
 
2013-04-11 04:39:23 PM

Magorn: relcec: Magorn: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.

so I'm supposed to believe mittarand's therapist that the french military put a code into their MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON SYSTEM IN A CENTURY that could render them harmless?
this isn't the movies. the idea itself is absolutely incredible.

I don't find it very far fetched. IFF transponders and the like in US Military equipment work in somewhat the same way, eg a US-made stinger missile cannot lock on to an object such as an f-15 fighter, from which is recives a valid IFF code (which change daily in operational situations)  When you  sell weapons overseas, it's not a bad idea to build in failsafes that ensure they can't be used against you later


that's BS. it stops you from shooting at friendlies when you sink up the IFFs with the stingers, it doesn't stop enemies with the weapon shooting at anyone else.

your trying to tell me that stinger missiles sold back in 1995 have a system that can't be bypassed that has been generating a random IFF number everyday of their existence that only the united states has access to?
 
2013-04-11 04:40:44 PM
It seems the mods keep forgetting to post this for Thatcher like they did for Ted Kenndey so I'll keep doing it for them...

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-11 04:42:04 PM

SuperNinjaToad: relcec: SuperNinjaToad: relcec: EngineerAU: Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

It's not disarm code per se BUT software and program codes as well as homing codes which the British were able to then use their radars, jammers etc to 'tuned' in more effectively against them and have a much higher chance of avoiding or defeating these missiles using counter meaures and things like that.

"Excuse me," Mitterrand begins, apologising for his late arrival. "I had a difference of opinion to settle with the Iron Lady. What an impossible woman, that Thatcher! "With her four nuclear submarines on mission in the southern Atlantic, she threatens to launch the atomic weapon against Argentina - unless I supply her with the secret codes that render deaf and blind the missiles we have sold to the Argentinians. Margaret has given me very precise instructions on the telephone."
now look at the source is, the therapist of a dead politician.
now think how insane it would be to put this type of code into your best weapon system.
it is insane. it never happened.
real life isn't like Independence Day.

except IT DID happened! do some research before while you suspend your disbelief.


what is the evidence? the words of a long dead politician that was bloviating about his grand roll in the defeat of the Argentinians as told by his therapist 30 years later?
 
2013-04-11 04:43:37 PM

relcec: dittybopper: relcec: now think how insane it would be to put this type of code into your best weapon system.

Well, no, you *WOULD* do that if you didn't want the weapons to be turned on you.

it is not done. it would be stupid to do it. the only evidence it was done comes from the testimony of a therapist of a dead bloviating politician and the only reason you find it reasonable is because you've watched dozens of retarded movies where this was a crucial plot point to hang the life of hundreds of thousands of innocents on.


If its done or not, I really can't say but I don't think its a far fetched idea to have some sort of safety built in to them to ensure they're not used against you. Obviously you wouldn't want to advertise this because as you say, no one would want to buy them. I think if you were going to sell a highly effective weapon on the open market, having some sort of countermeasure built into is a very practical idea.  I don't think the US military would sell weapons it didn't have an extremely effective defense against. I don't think France would either.
 
2013-04-11 04:49:49 PM

relcec: Magorn: relcec: Magorn: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.

so I'm supposed to believe mittarand's therapist that the french military put a code into their MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON SYSTEM IN A CENTURY that could render them harmless?
this isn't the movies. the idea itself is absolutely incredible.

I don't find it very far fetched. IFF transponders and the like in US Military equipment work in somewhat the same way, eg a US-made stinger missile cannot lock on to an object such as an f-15 fighter, from which is recives a valid IFF code (which change daily in operational situations)  When you  sell weapons overseas, it's not a bad idea to build in failsafes that ensure they can't be used against you later

that's BS. it stops you from shooting at friendlies when you sink up the IFFs with the stingers, it doesn't stop enemies with the weapon shooting at anyone ...


I have to stop talking now because some of what I think I know comes from friends or family members who worked on similar devices for the US military, at about that time and while I'm pretty confident none of them would ever discuss something classified, I would hate to be wrong about that so I'm just going to say I don;t find the notion unreasonable and leave it at that
 
2013-04-11 04:50:25 PM

EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.


Argentina has no legitimate claim to the islands, and the people have the right of self-determination. Should the British government just let anybody invade the islands and write the people off? How about we do that with Hawaii or Alaska? Hell, Puerto Rico's not even a state, let's invite the Cubans to invade and watch the people squirm.

Or, just perhaps, we ought to let people decide for themselves. The Falkland Islanders had the option of disassociating themselves with Britain, and they didn't choose that option. That's why Britain should continue to defend them.
 
2013-04-11 04:54:16 PM
Hope that these guys get to go:
i652.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-11 04:56:30 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Argentina has no legitimate claim to the islands, and the people have the right of self-determination. Should the British government just let anybody invade the islands and write the people off? How about we do that with Hawaii or Alaska? Hell, Puerto Rico's not even a state, let's invite the Cubans to invade and watch the people squirm.

Or, just perhaps, we ought to let people decide for themselves. The Falkland Islanders had the option of disassociating themselves with Britain, and they didn't choose that option. That's why Britain should continue to defend them.


England taking a stand against the colonial ambitions of another nation is pretty funny.
 
2013-04-11 05:06:11 PM
Why didn't the invasion of the Falklands initiate a NATO response?    These people are British and the UK is certiantly a member of NATO.   Or are they substantially "unattached" to the point that NATO retaliation does not apply?
 
2013-04-11 05:06:47 PM

Magorn: relcec: Magorn: relcec: Magorn: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.

so I'm supposed to believe mittarand's therapist that the french military put a code into their MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON SYSTEM IN A CENTURY that could render them harmless?
this isn't the movies. the idea itself is absolutely incredible.

I don't find it very far fetched. IFF transponders and the like in US Military equipment work in somewhat the same way, eg a US-made stinger missile cannot lock on to an object such as an f-15 fighter, from which is recives a valid IFF code (which change daily in operational situations)  When you  sell weapons overseas, it's not a bad idea to build in failsafes that ensure they can't be used against you later

that's BS. it stops you from shooting at friendlies when you sink up the IFFs with the stingers, it doesn't stop enemies with the weapon shooting at ...



look, we don't even put kill codes into our own nuclear missiles. missiles that can kill 50 million people a pop, but we are supposed to believe, because of hearsay testimony of one therapist offered about a long dead politician, that france had a put one single code into it's exocets that if broadcast 4 years after delivery to Argentina would render the navigation systems inoperable?
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:tdSc6eZmLtQJ:scienceandgl ob alsecurity.org/archive/sgs02frankel.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGE ESg91nAIPs5Edd6gIQUcQp2d_klDNNfIpr1YY4aj5vHRUCwoek_gT7ocDtm5Y_WPHAVu_h exfft1QSEANNFD7nFmODWIKKgdffF8qQQatJZy9w56nkODhw2EFGdZmkFtHWpWwUet&sig =AHIEtbTYLuyLgKrb6Czz_386sNaOR5ZjZQ

and while granting your scenario is immensely more likely than the mittarand BS, if there is some supersecret random IFF generator that lasts for decades and only the u.s. has the algorithm to and therefore only the u.s. knows what the number will be on any given day, how did these stingers bring down u.s. army helicopters in Afghanistan?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-taliban-miss il e-strike-chinook

alright I'm done. believe the movie plot if you want.
 
2013-04-11 05:09:55 PM
Even if Kirchner had been invited, she probably wouldn't have stayed long. After the Falklands War the Argentines learned that it's always good to have an exocet strategy...
 
2013-04-11 05:11:13 PM

Flint Ironstag: Lord Summerisle: Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone - as a political act, not a military one. Over three hundred men died, most of them teeange conscripts with no option but to be there. She was a deeply cold, selfish, contemptuous, vicious excuse for a human being and the world is better off without her. But she's done massive and lasting damage to Britain, she shredded the social fabric of the country and it's never recovered. I'll be attending a celebration party on Wednesday. Burn in hellfire, biatch. I wish the IRA had nailed you.

The belgrano wad not steaming "for home". It was steaming away from the islands but heading for a rendezvous with other units to take further action.

Besides, in a war who cares which wad an enemy ship is heading anyway? What did it matter?


He calls them teenage conscripts.  They where soldiers and sailors of Argentina on a mission of WAR.  If they didn't want it sunk, they should not have sent it.  Why don't you have any tears for the innocent civilians that where invaded by a foreign army or the brave men that went to defend them?
 
2013-04-11 05:14:57 PM

mbillips: Well, she needs to be remembered for something, and wrecking the UK's manufacturing base and poking giant holes in its social safety net aren't as much fun as kicking the crap out of a military junta.


fullfact.org
(http://fullfact.org/factchecks/Growth_Labour_manufacturing-28817 )

That's a chart showing total manufacturing output in the UK. It's not just a myth that Margaret Thatcher destroyed manufacuturing, it's completely arse-about-face. The two blue periods, when manufacturing rose, had Conservative governments. The red periods, Labour.

You're entitled to your opinion of Thatcher, but not your own facts.
 
2013-04-11 05:20:05 PM

ethics-gradient: mark12A: The Thatcher Hate is truly a wonderment to behold. She saved the country from financial ruin and fought a just war to save the Falklands from invasion.

She did NOT "destroy the social fabric of Britain". She saved the country from outright MARXISTS hell bent on destroying Britain via industrial action, aided and abetted by the KGB. She reversed the stupid and destuctive Nationalization that has PROVED to be useless and counterproductive. Britain would've been a third world basket case if not for her actions.

She did good, and the whiney socialists who are STILL pissed off they were denied their prize can just suck it.

Afraid so. I'm old enough to remember Britain in the 1970's. It was in an incredibly bad state socially and economically due the ineptitude and selfishness of the hard Left. At best it look like a triumph of wishful thinking over the awful truth statring us all in the face. At worst deliberate sabotage by political extremists for their own selfish ends.
We can still hear them even now, having proved themselves so massively, disastrously wrong all they have left is insults.

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: boogie! boogie! boogie!

See?


heh...I can picture you both shouting 'MARXISTS!' and expecting the world to recoil like a Victorian heroine facing Ming the Merciless.
 
2013-04-11 05:21:43 PM

Maul555: Why didn't the invasion of the Falklands initiate a NATO response?    These people are British and the UK is certiantly a member of NATO.   Or are they substantially "unattached" to the point that NATO retaliation does not apply?


I watched a doc about it where alexander haig said some u.s. government officials were reluctant to get invovled he was willing to offer to transfer supercarriers to the royal navy if asked, but they only wanted the sidewinders and gas.

one last thing to add evidence to my point.
until 1977 the u.s. nuclear launch codes were 000000.
and this wasn't done out of pure lethargy.
the military has historically been far more worried about reliability of weapon systems at the moment of truth than creating complex systems to prevent accidental launch, friendly fire, or taking losses from opposing forces with our own systems decades down the line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permissive_Action_Link#cite_note-7
 
2013-04-11 05:28:39 PM

Lord Summerisle: Thatcher ordered the sinking of the Belgrano - a ship steaming for home as fast as possible and way outside the exclusion zone - as a political act, not a military one.


The Argentinians had already been warned that any ships operating near the exclusion zone could be subject to hostile attack. The Argentine Navy (in the period between the Falklands War and Kirchner using the Falklands as cover for her disastrous mismangement) have declared it to be a legitimate act of war.
 
2013-04-11 05:33:58 PM

NutznGum: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

France had codes for the missiles to ensure they never had to worry about one of their customers (Argentina being one) using them against them. After the Sheffield, France gave England the codes.

The codes were related to the tracking/targeting system of the missiles. They weren't disarm codes.


they were destruct codes, old iron skirts told the frogs to give them up or else she would use nukes, the frenchs raised the white flag and gave up the codes.

BTW those islands have OIL
 
2013-04-11 06:27:59 PM

liam76: mbillips: Well, she needs to be remembered for something, and wrecking the UK's manufacturing base and poking giant holes in its social safety net aren't as much fun as kicking the crap out of a military junta.

Wasn't the manufacturing base circling the tubes for years?  What she did was more akin to pullingt heplug on life support.


Yeah, someone on Fark a couple of days ago blamed Margaret Thatcher for destroying the UK car industry. This despite Rootes (Hillman, Alpine, Sunbeam, Talbot cars) went bust in 1971 and was taken over by Chrysler and then Peugeot before Maggie was elected, Rolls Royce went bust in 1971 and was then sold to BMW under Blairs government, British Leyland had been circling the drain for a decade and finally went bust and was sold to the Chinese under Blair.

Blaming Maggie for the decline of the British car industry is like blaming Dönitz for Germany losing WWII because he was Furhur for the last seven days of the war.  (Is that a Godwin?)
 
2013-04-11 06:33:12 PM

EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.


I think it's more the fact that we did the right thing when everyone and their dog, including very senior Americans, were telling us to forget about the rights of the Islanders and let it go. It was the principle.
 It was also a huge risk, a war totally not the scenario our forces were equipped for. All out forces, facilities, training and planning were to counter a Russian threat, not a conventional action in the far south Atlantic miles from any support. It could very, very easily have gone totally the wrong way and doomed the Tory government utterly.
 
2013-04-11 06:44:09 PM

farkeruk: mbillips: Well, she needs to be remembered for something, and wrecking the UK's manufacturing base and poking giant holes in its social safety net aren't as much fun as kicking the crap out of a military junta.

[fullfact.org image 615x436]
(http://fullfact.org/factchecks/Growth_Labour_manufacturing-28817 )

That's a chart showing total manufacturing output in the UK. It's not just a myth that Margaret Thatcher destroyed manufacuturing, it's completely arse-about-face. The two blue periods, when manufacturing rose, had Conservative governments. The red periods, Labour.

You're entitled to your opinion of Thatcher, but not your own facts.


Just to add the slump around 1990 is when Margaret Thatcher was persuaded, against her judgement, to shadow the ERM in preparation for the Euro.  It was a disaster (who'd have thought...?) and from almost the day the UK left the economy was great. Imagine that graph without that slump and picture where it would have been.
 
2013-04-11 06:46:58 PM

Maul555: Why didn't the invasion of the Falklands initiate a NATO response?    These people are British and the UK is certiantly a member of NATO.   Or are they substantially "unattached" to the point that NATO retaliation does not apply?


What does the N in NATO stand for?
 
2013-04-11 06:51:57 PM
The real reason the Exocets stopped sinking British ships during the Falklands war (spoiler alert for those who prefer the movie plot Mitterrand kill code fantasy):

the Argentinians only had five Exocets.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17256975

Two Exocets were fired on May 35th and one sinks the Sheffield.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sheffield_%28D80%29

On May 7th Mitterrand tells his psychoanalyst he has given Thatcher the super secret codes
that "render deaf and blind the missiles".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/22/books.france

Inconveniently for this fantasy TWO Eocets hit and sink the Atlantic Conveyor on may 25th.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Atlantic_Conveyor

The Argentine Navy used their last AM39 Exocet missile attempting to attack Invincible on 30 May. There are Argentinean claims that the missile struck;[81][82] however the British have denied this, some citing that Avenger shot it down.[83][84] When Invincible returned to the UK after the war she showed no signs of missile damage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War#Sinking_of_HMS_Sheffield

Port Stanely was taken june 14 and operations ended on june 20.
 
2013-04-11 06:58:35 PM

relcec: Magorn: relcec: Magorn: relcec: Magorn: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.

so I'm supposed to believe mittarand's therapist that the french military put a code into their MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON SYSTEM IN A CENTURY that could render them harmless?
this isn't the movies. the idea itself is absolutely incredible.

I don't find it very far fetched. IFF transponders and the like in US Military equipment work in somewhat the same way, eg a US-made stinger missile cannot lock on to an object such as an f-15 fighter, from which is recives a valid IFF code (which change daily in operational situations)  When you  sell weapons overseas, it's not a bad idea to build in failsafes that ensure they can't be used against you later

that's BS. it stops you from shooting at friendlies when you sink up the IFFs with the stingers, it doesn't stop enemies with the weapon sho ...


Look, I think you are misunderstand what most here have already explained in detail to you. You kept getting hung up on 'kill codes' or 'disarm codes' etc. We're talking about limiting the effectiveness of the Exocet (or any other missiles FTM).
We're NOT talking, here.. press 1,2,3,4, # and the missile explodes in midair!

If an opponent knows how a particular missile works like the frequency it operates on, it's detail flight characteristics it's terminal phase guidance frequencies, it's homing frequencies and a bunch of other things associated with the specific missile's 'thumbprint' then it can be easier to defeat or avoid.

That's what we're saying and NOT push a button and it explodes in midair like you think we're saying.
 
2013-04-11 07:15:49 PM
Well,
 If they were handing out prizes for the the shrillest and most overbearing 'arguments', then the Anti-Thatcher, Pro-Argentine folks in this thread have won in spades.
 
2013-04-11 08:18:05 PM

Flint Ironstag: Blaming Maggie for the decline of the British car industry is like blaming Dönitz for Germany losing WWII because he was Furhur for the last seven days of the war.  (Is that a Godwin?)


We've consulted the judges, and they will allow it as it's not a true comparison to Hitler.

However, mentioning Godwin invokes a fifteen post penalty and a new first down.

Play ball!

*whistle*
 
2013-04-11 08:25:09 PM
s.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-04-11 08:47:19 PM

toraque: Flint Ironstag: Blaming Maggie for the decline of the British car industry is like blaming Dönitz for Germany losing WWII because he was Furhur for the last seven days of the war.  (Is that a Godwin?)

We've consulted the judges, and they will allow it as it's not a true comparison to Hitler.

However, mentioning Godwin invokes a fifteen post penalty and a new first down.

Play ball!

*whistle*



You bought up Hitler.....
 
2013-04-11 09:55:22 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: They needed the Falkland Islands...

for strategic sheep purposes.


Do you have a flag?

 
2013-04-11 11:18:15 PM

SuperNinjaToad: relcec: Magorn: relcec: Magorn: relcec: Magorn: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.

so I'm supposed to believe mittarand's therapist that the french military put a code into their MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON SYSTEM IN A CENTURY that could render them harmless?
this isn't the movies. the idea itself is absolutely incredible.

I don't find it very far fetched. IFF transponders and the like in US Military equipment work in somewhat the same way, eg a US-made stinger missile cannot lock on to an object such as an f-15 fighter, from which is recives a valid IFF code (which change daily in operational situations)  When you  sell weapons overseas, it's not a bad idea to build in failsafes that ensure they can't be used against you later

that's BS. it stops you from shooting at friendlies when you sink up the IFFs with the stingers, it doesn't stop enemies with the weapon sho ...

Look, I think you are misunderstand what most here have already explained in detail to you. You kept getting hung up on 'kill codes' or 'disarm codes' etc. We're talking about limiting the effectiveness of the Exocet (or any other missiles FTM).
We're NOT talking, here.. press 1,2,3,4, # and the missile explodes in midair!

If an opponent knows how a particular missile works like the frequency it operates on, it's detail flight characteristics it's terminal phase guidance frequencies, it's homing frequencies and a bunch of other things associated with the specific missile's 'thumbprint' then it can be easier to defeat or avoid.

That's what we're saying and NOT push a button and it explodes in midair like you think we're saying.


Just don't press 1234* instead. That doesn't work.
 
2013-04-12 04:15:21 AM

Magorn: relcec: EngineerAU: Not sure why the Brits love the thump their chests over the Falklands. It's at best a cheap memento of their faded empire. Keeping it around is as pathetic as those balding middle age guys who show up at college bars (or worse, high school hangouts) talking about who awesome they were back in the 80s. Pretending that keeping them makes the UK look powerful is laughable. Heck, it's the French who deserve most of the credit. Without them giving Maggie the disarm codes for Argentina's Exocet missiles, the British fleet would have been sitting at the bottom of the south Atlantic.

Maybe Reagan's funeral should have been Granada themed.

they were using cruise liners as assault ships 8000 miles from home. the intestinal fortitude alone is impressive.
and if there was such thing as a disarm code perhaps you can explain why the sheffield and the supply ships ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Because amggie Didn't have those disarm codes until AFTER the Sheffeild sank,  France had initially refused to turn them over, but then Thatcher, in apparent dead earnest, said that if she didn't get the codes she'd nuke Buenos Aires instead.


i'm no fan of the mad cow but there's no way on earth that happened. end of story.
 
2013-04-12 06:36:29 AM

Flint Ironstag: toraque: Flint Ironstag: Blaming Maggie for the decline of the British car industry is like blaming Dönitz for Germany losing WWII because he was Furhur for the last seven days of the war.  (Is that a Godwin?)

We've consulted the judges, and they will allow it as it's not a true comparison to Hitler.

However, mentioning Godwin invokes a fifteen post penalty and a new first down.

Play ball!

*whistle*


You bought up Hitler.....


No he didn't, Alois and Klara brought him up.
 
2013-04-12 06:48:25 AM

SuperNinjaToad: Look, I think you are misunderstand what most here have already explained in detail to you. You kept getting hung up on 'kill codes' or 'disarm codes' etc. We're talking about limiting the effectiveness of the Exocet (or any other missiles FTM).
We're NOT talking, here.. press 1,2,3,4, # and the missile explodes in midair!

If an opponent knows how a particular missile works like the frequency it operates on, it's detail flight characteristics it's terminal phase guidance frequencies, it's homing frequencies and a bunch of other things associated with the specific missile's 'thumbprint' then it can be easier to defeat or avoid.

That's what we're saying and NOT push a button and it explodes in midair like you think we're saying.



your an idiot.


this conversation started with some guy saying thatcher needed to thank the french for giving her the secret codes that disabled the exocets.
this is the quote I have been referencing all afternoon:
"What an impossible woman, that Thatcher. With her four nuclear submarines on mission in the southern Atlantic, she threatens to launch the atomic weapon against Argentina - unless I supply her with the secret codes that render deaf and blind the missiles we have sold to the Argentinians."
Magoudi said Mitterrand told him that he had ordered the Exocet codes to be handed over to the British at Thatcher's insistence: "She has them now, the codes. If our customers find out that the French wreck the weapons they sell, it's not going to reflect well on our exports."

he's not talking about them giving the UK the radar signature of the exocet.
he's talking about a secret code that kills the nav system.
moreover you knew this the whole time.

this is a quote during our talk earlier:
relcec:
"Excuse me," Mitterrand begins, apologising for his late arrival. "I had a difference of opinion to settle with the Iron Lady. What an impossible woman, that Thatcher! "With her four nuclear submarines on mission in the southern Atlantic, she threatens to launch the atomic weapon against Argentina - unless I supply her with the secret codes that render deaf and blind the missiles we have sold to the Argentinians. Margaret has given me very precise instructions on the telephone."
now look at the source is, the therapist of a dead politician.
now think how insane it would be to put this type of code into your best weapon system.
it is insane. it never happened.
real life isn't like Independence Day.


your direct reply to me:
supersecretninjaidiot:
except IT DID happened! do some research before while you suspend your disbelief.



your a f*cking moron. you think there is a secret code. you said so yourself. now your backtracking a bit claiming all along the super secret code to render the missile blind deaf and dumb really was just he wavelength it operated on.

and anyway exocets don't work in a way where any of that technical shiat even matters.
they get initial guidance from the aircraft a hundred miles away. when launched they drop to 8 feet off the ocean to where the ship will be. it flies so low to the surface that for that one hundred mile trip the curve of the earth blocks the missiles radiation from the target ship for all but the last couple seconds. the target ship has at most 2 seconds to pick up the radiation, and get ordinance ou in its direction. the problem isn't the british didn't have radar receivers that could pick up a wide spectrum, before the french told them the secret kill code.
the problem was they had vietnam war era cwis weapons that couldn't possibly cope with the speed of the engagement.

anyway you are a liar and you aren't very bright because you bought this bullshiat about a secret code all afternoon.
 
2013-04-12 07:15:33 AM

NutznGum: I know, it was pretty outrageous of Argentina to go an inhabited island and tell all the residents they were part of their country now. England Spain must have been scandalized, they would never do something like that.


Contextualised that for you.
 
2013-04-12 08:21:21 AM

relcec: and anyway exocets don't work in a way where any of that technical shiat even matters.
they get initial guidance from the aircraft a hundred miles away. when launched they drop to 8 feet off the ocean to where the ship will be. it flies so low to the surface that for that one hundred mile trip the curve of the earth blocks the missiles radiation from the target ship for all but the last couple seconds. the target ship has at most 2 seconds to pick up the radiation, and get ordinance ou in its direction.


Actually, you have a bit more than that.

Radio horizon is 1.415*sqr(height in feet) = statute miles.  For detection range, you figure the range for the transmitter (missile in this case), and for the receiver (radar warning receiver antenna on ship, in this case), and you add them together.

For the missile, radio horizon is (whips out trusty virtual slide rule):

i47.tinypic.com

For a missile at a height of 6 feet, the range is about 3.9 statute miles.

Doing the same for the Type 42 mast height, which appears at a minimum to be 80 feet, we get a range of about 12.7 statute miles, making the total detection range for both the seeker head to see the ship, and for the ship to see the missile, of 16.6 statute miles, which is about 14.4 nautical miles.

Exocet travels at about 615 knots.  That means it would traverse that 14.4 NM in about ((14.4/615)*60)*60 = 84 seconds.

You get just under a minute and a half warning.
 
2013-04-12 08:26:06 AM

dittybopper: relcec: and anyway exocets don't work in a way where any of that technical shiat even matters.
they get initial guidance from the aircraft a hundred miles away. when launched they drop to 8 feet off the ocean to where the ship will be. it flies so low to the surface that for that one hundred mile trip the curve of the earth blocks the missiles radiation from the target ship for all but the last couple seconds. the target ship has at most 2 seconds to pick up the radiation, and get ordinance ou in its direction.

Actually, you have a bit more than that.

Radio horizon is 1.415*sqr(height in feet) = statute miles.  For detection range, you figure the range for the transmitter (missile in this case), and for the receiver (radar warning receiver antenna on ship, in this case), and you add them together.

For the missile, radio horizon is (whips out trusty virtual slide rule):

[i47.tinypic.com image 639x269]

For a missile at a height of 6 feet, the range is about 3.9 3.49 statute miles.

Doing the same for the Type 42 mast height, which appears at a minimum to be 80 feet, we get a range of about 12.7 statute miles, making the total detection range for both the seeker head to see the ship, and for the ship to see the missile, of 16.6  16.2 statute miles, which is about 14.4 14.1 nautical miles.

Exocet travels at about 615 knots.  That means it would traverse that 14.4 14.1 NM in about ((14.4 14.1/615)*60)*60 =  84 82.5 seconds.

You get just under a minute and a half warning.


FTFM.  Yes, it's only a second and a half difference, but I'm feeling pedantic today.
 
2013-04-12 08:48:00 AM
Can I just point out that we won??

whoo hoo!

/High fives!!!
 
2013-04-12 09:23:49 AM

PoRL: Can I just point out that we won??

whoo hoo!

/High fives!!!


This is now a maths thread.  Adjust your frivolity accordingly.
 
2013-04-12 01:14:53 PM

vernonFL: Katolu


I'll bring the drinks
 
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