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(Slate)   Peat bogs take thousands of years to form, and humans burn millions of tons a year for heat. Will this mean the end of scotch?   (slate.com) divider line 64
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2013-04-11 09:28:42 AM  
Disapproves
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/hot like the peaty fires at Laphroig
 
2013-04-11 09:43:07 AM  
It's no different than oil or coal.  We'll never "run out", it will just become more and more expensive until the majority of those using it abandon it in favor of something cheaper.
 
2013-04-11 09:51:26 AM  
Peat bogs are also nifty for preserving human flesh for hundreds of years.
 
2013-04-11 09:52:38 AM  
This is why I switched from using peat moss in my garden to coconut coir (the brown fuzzy stuff on the outside of coconuts). It's a waste byproduct of coconut harvesting and is essentially unlimited.
 
2013-04-11 10:14:33 AM  
Yet another call to be prudent with our natural resources. Humans suck at being prudent. We're going to eat and breed ourselves off this planet sooner or later.

As long as the Scotch flows, I can cope, but when that runs out, I can't be held accountable for the consequences.
 
2013-04-11 10:20:09 AM  

MrBallou: As long as the Scotch flows, I can cope, but when that runs out, I can't be held accountable for the consequences.


Many (I'm almost certain most) Scotch Whisky is *not* made using peat. Natural gas is a popular choice, with coal being used by some distillers.
 
2013-04-11 10:32:22 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: MrBallou: As long as the Scotch flows, I can cope, but when that runs out, I can't be held accountable for the consequences.

Many (I'm almost certain most) Scotch Whisky is *not* made using peat. Natural gas is a popular choice, with coal being used by some distillers.


So we don't have to panic yet? OK. :/

Actually, the first part of that post is the serious comment. Population growing until there are too many people for the world to support is inevitable. That may be worth panicking over.
 
2013-04-11 10:35:10 AM  

MrBallou: Actually, the first part of that post is the serious comment.


I know, which is why I responded only to the frivolous part. ;)
 
2013-04-11 11:17:06 AM  
www.sipplondon.com

FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS.
 
2013-04-11 01:45:43 PM  

MrBallou: Yet another call to be prudent with our natural resources. Humans suck at being prudent. We're going to eat and breed ourselves off this planet sooner or later.

As long as the Scotch flows, I can cope, but when that runs out, I can't be held accountable for the consequences'll switch to bourbon.


FTFY
 
2013-04-11 01:59:35 PM  
ocw.mit.edu

R.I.P. Wade (in) Boggs
 
2013-04-11 02:19:16 PM  

pizen: MrBallou: Yet another call to be prudent with our natural resources. Humans suck at being prudent. We're going to eat and breed ourselves off this planet sooner or later.

As long as the Scotch flows, I can cope, but when that runs out, I'll switch to bourbon.

FTFY


It's like you know me.
 
2013-04-11 02:29:44 PM  
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2013-04-11 02:34:21 PM  
Who cares?  Peated Scotches taste like a fireman's coat smells.
 
2013-04-11 02:47:59 PM  

fickenchucker: Who cares?  Peated Scotches taste like a fireman's coat smells.


Oh you, you didn't....  Don't incite the hipster scotch snobs.  They'll have to flood on in and roll their eyes in a disapproving yet indifferent manner until you run away screaming.
 
2013-04-11 03:04:58 PM  
If I ever want a beverage that tastes like burnt peat-moss, sea-weed, and ass I'll crack open a bottle of scotch.
Until then, I won't give a damn.

Peat is just immature coal.
 
2013-04-11 03:06:08 PM  
eh whiskeys taste like shiat not a single fark is given.
 
2013-04-11 03:07:23 PM  
One can only hope.
 
2013-04-11 03:08:17 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: This is why I switched from using peat moss in my garden to coconut coir (the brown fuzzy stuff on the outside of coconuts). It's a waste byproduct of coconut harvesting and is essentially unlimited.


A noble intent, but it's not the same stuff.  Peat moss is Sphagnum...the peat from peat bogs is compressed organic matter.
 
2013-04-11 03:13:22 PM  

give me doughnuts: If I ever want a beverage that tastes like burnt peat-moss, sea-weed, and ass I'll crack open a bottle of scotch.
Until then, I won't give a damn.

Peat is just immature coal.


So you like your booze coal smoked, for the 300 million years old aged goodness?
 
2013-04-11 03:13:24 PM  

MassD: fickenchucker: Who cares?  Peated Scotches taste like a fireman's coat smells.

Oh you, you didn't....  Don't incite the hipster scotch snobs.  They'll have to flood on in and roll their eyes in a disapproving yet indifferent manner until you run away screaming.


Never, NEVER, I say!

My theory is peated Scotches are the result of poor manufacturing standards that farked up the grains while trying to germinate them, and since Islay is an island with a short growing season, they just pulled a Pee Wee Herman and said "I meant to do that".

/Smoked beers suck, too.
 
2013-04-11 03:13:35 PM  
PEAK PEAT!
 
2013-04-11 03:14:57 PM  

nekom: It's no different than oil or coal.  We'll never "run out", it will just become more and more expensive until the majority of those using it abandon it in favor of something cheaper.


Stay away from my goddamn Bourbon, you Scotchheads.
 
2013-04-11 03:43:40 PM  

fickenchucker: Who cares?  Peated Scotches taste like a fireman's coat smells.


no, they smell like that. they taste like heaven.

provided, of course, that you drink them neat or with just a drop or two of water.
 
2013-04-11 03:51:36 PM  

MassD: fickenchucker: Who cares?  Peated Scotches taste like a fireman's coat smells.

Oh you, you didn't....  Don't incite the hipster scotch snobs.  They'll have to flood on in and roll their eyes in a disapproving yet indifferent manner until you run away screaming.


Is drinking scotch a hipster, underground thing to do now?  There must be lots of folks aged 40 to 70 that are hipsters and don't even know it.
 
2013-04-11 03:57:15 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: eh whiskeys taste like shiat not a single fark is given.


So what brand of Vodka do you think tastes best?

Because there's soooooo much difference in the tastes of Vodkas. Not like that nasty whickey, which always tastes exactly the same: awful.

i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-11 04:10:31 PM  

tricycleracer: nekom: It's no different than oil or coal.  We'll never "run out", it will just become more and more expensive until the majority of those using it abandon it in favor of something cheaper.

Stay away from my goddamn Bourbon, you Scotchheads.


Is it weird that I like bourbon and scotch depending on my mood?

For more heresy, has anybody ever tried Wasmund's Single Malt? It's distilled in Virginia, not too far from where I live but made in the Scotch style except that the malt gets smoked over apple and cherry wood instead of peat. It's... interesting....
 
2013-04-11 04:23:21 PM  

nw_inferno: tricycleracer: nekom: It's no different than oil or coal.  We'll never "run out", it will just become more and more expensive until the majority of those using it abandon it in favor of something cheaper.

Stay away from my goddamn Bourbon, you Scotchheads.

Is it weird that I like bourbon and scotch depending on my mood?

For more heresy, has anybody ever tried Wasmund's Single Malt? It's distilled in Virginia, not too far from where I live but made in the Scotch style except that the malt gets smoked over apple and cherry wood instead of peat. It's... interesting....


I'll have to try that.  But then again, I'll drink just about any whisk(e)y - Irish, Scotch, Bourbon, Canadian, whatever the hell you call Jack Daniels, etc.  As long as it has my friend Al Cohol I'm ok with it.
 
2013-04-11 04:57:17 PM  

MrBallou: Population growing until there are too many people for the world to support is inevitable. That may be worth panicking over.


The human population is expected to peak before too long, and kind of level off. Once a critical mass of people give up subsistence farming it's actually kind of hard to get them to breed enough to expand at all. See: every industrialized country.
 
2013-04-11 05:05:42 PM  
In my glass at the moment:

www.islay-whisky-shop.de
 
2013-04-11 05:13:21 PM  

zerkalo: PEAK PEAT!


Laugh, but we're approaching peak on a lot of things. Rare Earth metals, other metals, water.  Not just oil.

We're at PEAK PEAK!

//It's really no laughing matter.
 
2013-04-11 05:23:34 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: MrBallou: Population growing until there are too many people for the world to support is inevitable. That may be worth panicking over.

The human population is expected to peak before too long, and kind of level off. Once a critical mass of people give up subsistence farming it's actually kind of hard to get them to breed enough to expand at all. See: every industrialized country.


I was unaware that it would naturally flatten once we stopped mostly subsistence farming.

You mean like this?
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-11 05:25:46 PM  

MrBallou: Gaseous Anomaly: MrBallou: Population growing until there are too many people for the world to support is inevitable. That may be worth panicking over.

The human population is expected to peak before too long, and kind of level off. Once a critical mass of people give up subsistence farming it's actually kind of hard to get them to breed enough to expand at all. See: every industrialized country.

I was unaware that it would naturally flatten once we stopped mostly subsistence farming.

You mean like this?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 654x485]


That is for the agrarian country called the USA, btw. US Census figures, not including 2010.
 
2013-04-11 05:27:12 PM  

MrBallou: Gaseous Anomaly: MrBallou: Population growing until there are too many people for the world to support is inevitable. That may be worth panicking over.

The human population is expected to peak before too long, and kind of level off. Once a critical mass of people give up subsistence farming it's actually kind of hard to get them to breed enough to expand at all. See: every industrialized country.

I was unaware that it would naturally flatten once we stopped mostly subsistence farming.

You mean like this?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 654x485]


Once people get access to birth control, and specifically women gain more rights as something more than property, standard of living improves, birth rates drop.  Whether or not that is "natural" is a different argument.

www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_populat io n_may_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.single.html#pagebreak_anc hor_2

http://blog.conservation.org/2012/07/3-signs-of-hope-for-slowing-pop ul ation-growth/
 
2013-04-11 05:57:52 PM  

give me doughnuts: If I ever want a beverage that tastes like burnt peat-moss, sea-weed, and ass I'll crack open a bottle of scotch.
Until then, I won't give a damn.

Peat is just immature coal.


This. Real whiskey is made in America, from corn, by hillbillies.
 
2013-04-11 06:04:16 PM  

All Latest: In my glass at the moment:

[www.islay-whisky-shop.de image 450x600]


haven't tried it yet. i like that it's non-chill filtered though.
 
2013-04-11 06:08:01 PM  

MrBallou: Gaseous Anomaly: MrBallou: Population growing until there are too many people for the world to support is inevitable. That may be worth panicking over.

The human population is expected to peak before too long, and kind of level off. Once a critical mass of people give up subsistence farming it's actually kind of hard to get them to breed enough to expand at all. See: every industrialized country.

I was unaware that it would naturally flatten once we stopped mostly subsistence farming.

You mean like this?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 654x485]


That's population growth, not birthrate:

upload.wikimedia.org
Take away immigration, and the US is on the same flattening birth rate that is already causing population decline in Japan, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, etc, etc, etc.

And check it out: almost all of those immigrants are people who were primarily subsistence farmers in their home countries.
 
2013-04-11 06:23:03 PM  

whistleridge: MrBallou: Gaseous Anomaly: MrBallou: Population growing until there are too many people for the world to support is inevitable. That may be worth panicking over.

The human population is expected to peak before too long, and kind of level off. Once a critical mass of people give up subsistence farming it's actually kind of hard to get them to breed enough to expand at all. See: every industrialized country.

I was unaware that it would naturally flatten once we stopped mostly subsistence farming.

You mean like this?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 654x485]

That's population growth, not birthrate:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x377]
Take away immigration, and the US is on the same flattening birth rate that is already causing population decline in Japan, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, etc, etc, etc.

And check it out: almost all of those immigrants are people who were primarily subsistence farmers in their home countries.


Reverend Malthus. Paging Reverend Malthus. Please pick up the nearest courtesy phone.

What final population density do you guys figure the Earth's population will stabilize at? Absolute maximum, kept in check only by maximally horrible living conditions, would be my guess.
 
2013-04-11 06:24:45 PM  

FlashHarry: All Latest: In my glass at the moment:

[www.islay-whisky-shop.de image 450x600]

haven't tried it yet. i like that it's non-chill filtered though.


It's not my favourite Islay, but it will do on a thursday evening.
 
2013-04-11 06:58:03 PM  

MrBallou: whistleridge: MrBallou: Gaseous Anomaly: MrBallou: Population growing until there are too many people for the world to support is inevitable. That may be worth panicking over.

The human population is expected to peak before too long, and kind of level off. Once a critical mass of people give up subsistence farming it's actually kind of hard to get them to breed enough to expand at all. See: every industrialized country.

I was unaware that it would naturally flatten once we stopped mostly subsistence farming.

You mean like this?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 654x485]

That's population growth, not birthrate:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x377]
Take away immigration, and the US is on the same flattening birth rate that is already causing population decline in Japan, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, etc, etc, etc.

And check it out: almost all of those immigrants are people who were primarily subsistence farmers in their home countries.

Reverend Malthus. Paging Reverend Malthus. Please pick up the nearest courtesy phone.

What final population density do you guys figure the Earth's population will stabilize at? Absolute maximum, kept in check only by maximally horrible living conditions, would be my guess.


12 billion or so.

I've seen estimates up to 40 billion with the worst living conditions, bare subsistence, but I'll go with 12 billion.
 
2013-04-11 07:33:43 PM  

meat0918: MrBallou: whistleridge: MrBallou: Gaseous Anomaly: MrBallou: Population growing until there are too many people for the world to support is inevitable. That may be worth panicking over.

The human population is expected to peak before too long, and kind of level off. Once a critical mass of people give up subsistence farming it's actually kind of hard to get them to breed enough to expand at all. See: every industrialized country.

I was unaware that it would naturally flatten once we stopped mostly subsistence farming.

You mean like this?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 654x485]

That's population growth, not birthrate:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x377]
Take away immigration, and the US is on the same flattening birth rate that is already causing population decline in Japan, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, etc, etc, etc.

And check it out: almost all of those immigrants are people who were primarily subsistence farmers in their home countries.

Reverend Malthus. Paging Reverend Malthus. Please pick up the nearest courtesy phone.

What final population density do you guys figure the Earth's population will stabilize at? Absolute maximum, kept in check only by maximally horrible living conditions, would be my guess.

12 billion or so.

I've seen estimates up to 40 billion with the worst living conditions, bare subsistence, but I'll go with 12 billion.


That's the point. How can we provide properly peated Scotch for that many people?

It's the end of the world. There's no reason to go on living.
 
2013-04-11 08:06:23 PM  

MrBallou: meat0918: MrBallou: whistleridge: MrBallou: Gaseous Anomaly: MrBallou: Population growing until there are too many people for the world to support is inevitable. That may be worth panicking over.

The human population is expected to peak before too long, and kind of level off. Once a critical mass of people give up subsistence farming it's actually kind of hard to get them to breed enough to expand at all. See: every industrialized country.

I was unaware that it would naturally flatten once we stopped mostly subsistence farming.

You mean like this?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 654x485]

That's population growth, not birthrate:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x377]
Take away immigration, and the US is on the same flattening birth rate that is already causing population decline in Japan, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, etc, etc, etc.

And check it out: almost all of those immigrants are people who were primarily subsistence farmers in their home countries.

Reverend Malthus. Paging Reverend Malthus. Please pick up the nearest courtesy phone.

What final population density do you guys figure the Earth's population will stabilize at? Absolute maximum, kept in check only by maximally horrible living conditions, would be my guess.

12 billion or so.

I've seen estimates up to 40 billion with the worst living conditions, bare subsistence, but I'll go with 12 billion.

That's the point. How can we provide properly peated Scotch for that many people?

It's the end of the world. There's no reason to go on living.


Oh.

It's just a chemical process.  Someone will figure out a passable chemical treatment (probably call it "artificial peat smoke") that mimics the roasting of the barley with the peat, sell the stuff for cheap, while the real stuff goes up in price to reflect the scarcity.

And 10-20 years after it's introduction, some researchers will set the artificial peat smoked stuff in front of scotch aficionados and declare it "identical to the real stuff".

I wouldn't doubt it if someone already has created such a flavor additive that simulates peat smoke flavor.
 
2013-04-11 08:11:24 PM  
I'm worried about the scotch supply. After this case of Lagavulin, and the other case, there's only one case left.
 
2013-04-11 08:27:43 PM  
RIP Pistol Pete
i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-11 08:53:09 PM  

meat0918: MrBallou: whistleridge: MrBallou: Gaseous Anomaly: MrBallou: Population growing until there are too many people for the world to support is inevitable. That may be worth panicking over.

The human population is expected to peak before too long, and kind of level off. Once a critical mass of people give up subsistence farming it's actually kind of hard to get them to breed enough to expand at all. See: every industrialized country.

I was unaware that it would naturally flatten once we stopped mostly subsistence farming.

You mean like this?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 654x485]

That's population growth, not birthrate:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x377]
Take away immigration, and the US is on the same flattening birth rate that is already causing population decline in Japan, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, etc, etc, etc.

And check it out: almost all of those immigrants are people who were primarily subsistence farmers in their home countries.

Reverend Malthus. Paging Reverend Malthus. Please pick up the nearest courtesy phone.

What final population density do you guys figure the Earth's population will stabilize at? Absolute maximum, kept in check only by maximally horrible living conditions, would be my guess.

12 billion or so.

I've seen estimates up to 40 billion with the worst living conditions, bare subsistence, but I'll go with 12 billion.


Not even that. Current UN predictions think it will top out around 2050 at about 9 or 10 billion. And since population decline is *very* hard to reverse once begun (read: no country is known to have done it), those predictions see it right back to where it is today in 100-125 years.

The point being, of course, that your grand kids may have to pay through the nose for decent scotch, but your great-great grand kids should probably be fine.
 
2013-04-11 09:09:53 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: eh whiskeys taste like shiat not a single fark is given.


Yup, stay away from the stuff.

/ more for me!
 
2013-04-11 10:02:48 PM  
After Peat's bog is all gone they'll just start ripping up Finnigan's bog. What's that old drunken fool gonna do about it?
 
2013-04-11 10:30:32 PM  
We'll all just have to switch over to Clan MacGregor since that is made using dog shiat
 
2013-04-11 10:31:37 PM  

nmemkha: After Peat's bog is all gone they'll just start ripping up Finnigan's bog. What's that old drunken fool gonna do about it?


Beat up Captain Kirk?
 
2013-04-11 11:15:46 PM  
I can't afford the good peaty scotches and the rest of 'em, from Glenlivet to J&B, don't do much for me. Besides, for the price of a half-decent blended Scotch I can get a good bourbon (or two bottles of regular Eraly times, which is turning out to be surprisingly drinkable), for the price of a good blended I can get drunk every night on good vodka, and for the price bottle of one of the Islays I'd want for my birthday I can get drunk every night for a month on bourbon fit to serve a young lady's dad.

As far as I'm concerned the British Isles can vanish overnight.
 
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