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(Philly.com)   Joe Paterno didn't tell his family all about Jerry Sandusky for some damn reason or other   (philly.com) divider line 49
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2013-04-11 08:50:41 AM  
Further proof that the entire campus of Penn State needs to be burned to ground.
 
2013-04-11 08:56:45 AM  
I was also unaware that women don't like to be called coont.
 
2013-04-11 08:59:18 AM  
"praying for the victims"

If prayer did anything, there wouldn't be any more victims.
 
2013-04-11 08:59:32 AM  
Well this thread will be filled with enlightened responses thoughtful prose.
 
2013-04-11 09:00:57 AM  
If you extol a guy for years, become friends with him, work with him every day and then later find out he is raping kids in the bathrooms, it is a tough thing to admit.  it is admitting you are wrong.
 
2013-04-11 09:16:12 AM  
The mighty god of Penn State has struck out.
Though many people who like him still doubt
He stood on the sidelines
and ignored all the headlines
While his friend raped freaking kids in butt!
 
2013-04-11 09:24:02 AM  

SlothB77: If you extol a guy for years, become friends with him, work with him every day and then later find out he is raping kids in the bathrooms, it is a tough thing to admit.  it is admitting you are wrong.


I would find it tougher sleeping at night if I didn't immediately turn him in to the authorities upon finding out.  I can live with being wrong about someone.  I couldn't live with letting them continue to ruin the lives of children while I turn a blind eye.
 
2013-04-11 09:24:16 AM  
You gotta admit it ain't the kind of thing that you would bring up at the supper table.
"Hey, you know that nice young boy that raked the leaves in the yard a couple of weekends ago? My defensive coordinator was ass raping him in the showers yesterday. Pass the butter, please."
 
2013-04-11 09:31:24 AM  

varmitydog: You gotta admit it ain't the kind of thing that you would bring up at the supper table.
"Hey, you know that nice young boy that raked the leaves in the yard a couple of weekends ago? My defensive coordinator was ass raping him in the showers yesterday. Pass the butter, please."


No, but it is the kind of thing I'd discuss with my wife when we had a quiet moment.  "I think Jerry might be molesting kids at the university."
 
2013-04-11 09:39:03 AM  
Probably should have done a little research in 1998 when Sandusky was first investigated.
 
2013-04-11 09:43:44 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Probably should have done a little research in 1998 when Sandusky was first investigated.


They did do research. They researched what they were legally required to do if he got caught again, and that's what they did. To the absolute letter of the law.
 
2013-04-11 09:47:18 AM  

MFAWG: Yanks_RSJ: Probably should have done a little research in 1998 when Sandusky was first investigated.

They did do research. They researched what they were legally required to do if he got caught again, and that's what they did. To the absolute letter of the law.


Oh, you're one of THEM.  Nevermind.
 
2013-04-11 09:48:11 AM  

MFAWG: Yanks_RSJ: Probably should have done a little research in 1998 when Sandusky was first investigated.

They did do research. They researched what they were legally required to do if he got caught again, and that's what they did. To the absolute letter of the law.


You and me...yea, not agreeing on the definition of "absolute letter of the law".
 
2013-04-11 09:57:10 AM  
God damn these asshats should have been kicked the fark out of the Big Ten and given the NCAA death penalty. Paterno was a lying hypocrite out to protect his own image, and everyone around him knew or heard about Sandusky and did nothing. 20 years of child rape and they did nothing.
 
2013-04-11 10:00:36 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Oh, you're one of THEM. Nevermind.


Or he's very cynical.  I can read that either way.
 
2013-04-11 10:01:39 AM  
media.pennlive.com

Painted over the crime. Literally. Everyone else still a pack of lyin smilin hypocrites.
 
2013-04-11 10:03:56 AM  

MFAWG: Yanks_RSJ: Probably should have done a little research in 1998 when Sandusky was first investigated.

They did do research. They researched what they were legally required to do if he got caught again, and that's what they did. To the absolute letter of the law.


A teacher at an elementary school was told, "I saw a teacher having sex with a kid." If their response was to report it to the principal and for the next 14 years never bring it up again do you think people would be saying he did all that the law required him to do?
 
2013-04-11 10:12:05 AM  

MFAWG: Yanks_RSJ: Probably should have done a little research in 1998 when Sandusky was first investigated.

They did do research. They researched what they were legally required to do if he got caught again, and that's what they did. To the absolute letter of the law.


And they likely found something, given how Jerry suddenly into retirement right at the age and experience level where he was a candidate to become a head coach at a mid tier football program.  Yet when he retired, no school came around and seriously checked him out, which seems to suggest PSU was somehow telegraphing signals that you really didn't want to hire Sandusky.

At the end of the day, the Freeh report has spoken.  The Board of Trustees commissioned it and they had every incentive out there to want the Freeh report come back and say "Sandusky was a lone wolf, he received no aid from this institution."  Because if it said that, PSU got to keep its legendary head coach and avoid NCAA sanctions that would cost it millions of dollars, not to mention avoiding whatever the Department of Education and Department of Justice would do over failure to report issues.  However the Freeh report came back and said "You're farked, plea bargain."  The Paterno nutters will swear up and down the Freeh report was some hit job.  Somehow it makes sense to them that the Board of Trustees, many of them PSU alums and boosters, would somehow commission a hit job on Paterno and a private report commissioned and paid for by the Paterno family has more credibility than the Freeh report.  Meanwhile the idea that people knew and looked the other way is of course impossible because something something Grand Experiment so something something no coverup of kiddie rape in the shower.

/Also the key witness against Curley, Graham, and Spanier in their perjury trials is the PSU General Consul and a former BoT member, I suppose we'll add her onto the list of people out to destroy the school they'd dedicated much of their career to
 
2013-04-11 10:26:01 AM  
The Earth is flat, men never landed on the moon, Bush felled the twin towers, Obama isn't an American, and Jo Pa was framed.
 
2013-04-11 10:41:10 AM  

Coach_J: MFAWG: Yanks_RSJ: Probably should have done a little research in 1998 when Sandusky was first investigated.

They did do research. They researched what they were legally required to do if he got caught again, and that's what they did. To the absolute letter of the law.

You and me...yea, not agreeing on the definition of "absolute letter of the law".


Yes, because you're stuck on doing what's "right", not what's "lawful".
 
2013-04-11 10:41:14 AM  

Ray_Finkle: MFAWG: Yanks_RSJ: Probably should have done a little research in 1998 when Sandusky was first investigated.

They did do research. They researched what they were legally required to do if he got caught again, and that's what they did. To the absolute letter of the law.

A teacher at an elementary school was told, "I saw a teacher having sex with a kid." If their response was to report it to the principal and for the next 14 years never bring it up again do you think people would be saying he did all that the law required him to do?


The second incident was reported to a law enforcement official, exactly as required by Pa state law.
 
2013-04-11 10:42:01 AM  

mikaloyd: The Earth is flat, men never landed on the moon, Bush felled the twin towers, Obama isn't an American, and Jo Pa was framed was responsible for every action that took place in PA, including the state not pursuing charges, the cops not pursuing the case, the death of a DA, etc.


FTFY

/if it's so important to protect the football empire, why not have Sandusky killed (if it's okay to kill a DA)? Would've solved everything.
 
2013-04-11 10:43:01 AM  

Ray_Finkle: MFAWG: Yanks_RSJ: Probably should have done a little research in 1998 when Sandusky was first investigated.

They did do research. They researched what they were legally required to do if he got caught again, and that's what they did. To the absolute letter of the law.

A teacher at an elementary school was told, "I saw a teacher having sex with a kid." If their response was to report it to the principal and for the next 14 years never bring it up again do you think people would be saying he did all that the law required him to do?


...and if that's what actually happened, then sure.  But there are a lot of links in that chain of command, even if they're all anchored by one of those links.  You're telling me not one person in that entire chain didn't decide to do a thorough investigation of Sandusky because it would inconvenience Paterno?
 
2013-04-11 10:55:31 AM  
Penn State: Coach Paterno, ou've had a grat rin but we think it is in the best interest of the program to bring in someone else to coach who has the energy to recruit aggressively and keep up with the day-to-day operations.

Paterno: GTFO of here. I'm as good as I've ever been. Fit as a fiddle, and sharp as a tack.

Everybody: Coach Paterno, why didn't you tell the police that Sandusky was raping boys?

Paterno: What? What is rape? What is a young boy? Look, I'm an old man. As far as I know, all men have sex with one woman in the missionary position and then they retire to seperate beds. Huh? Where's my oatmeal?
 
2013-04-11 11:21:56 AM  
WE ARE!
 
2013-04-11 11:29:15 AM  
She needs to shut her mouth and let her husband rest.
 
2013-04-11 11:42:22 AM  
Remember, don't you dare owe a $12.99 hotel tab, though!
 
2013-04-11 11:43:30 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Paterno: GTFO of here. I'm as good as I've ever been. Fit as a fiddle, and sharp as a tack.


DROxINxTHExWIND: Paterno: What? What is rape? What is a young boy? Look, I'm an old man. As far as I know, all men have sex with one woman in the missionary position and then they retire to seperate beds. Huh? Where's my oatmeal?


In fairness, if you've ever dealt with old people, they can vary between those two extremes within minutes.
 
2013-04-11 11:45:00 AM  
There's far fewer Pedo State cultists apologists here than there used to be.

They should've lost their athletic program for a decade.  If ever a program deserved the death penalty, it was Pedo State.  Instead, the NCAA helped reinforce the idea that a money-making athletic program is the most precious thing there is, and that the loss of that juggernaut is too harsh a punishment for multiple child rapes and covering up multiple child rapes.

All of this will happen again.  Somewhere.  Sometime.
 
2013-04-11 11:50:17 AM  

IntertubeUser: There's far fewer Pedo State cultists apologists here than there used to be.

They should've lost their athletic program for a decade.  If ever a program deserved the death penalty, it was Pedo State.  Instead, the NCAA helped reinforce the idea that a money-making athletic program is the most precious thing there is, and that the loss of that juggernaut is too harsh a punishment for multiple child rapes and covering up multiple child rapes.

All of this will happen again.  Somewhere.  Sometime.


Hopefully at least one of Curley, Graham, or Spanier will squeal to lessen the perjury charges and deliver some damning evidence that shuts up all but the lunatic fringe.  Beside in some ways, gutting the football program is crueler.  The fringe will have to sit there and watch Rutgers stomp on their faces for the next decade.  PSU was already in trouble since western PA coal country doesn't produce the talent it once did and Paterno had failed to find rich new recruiting grounds.  Before the sanctions, PSU couldn't stack up with Michigan, tOSU, and the Wisconsin program that Alvarez built.  Sanctions are just another nail in that coffin.
 
2013-04-11 11:58:35 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: MFAWG: Yanks_RSJ: Probably should have done a little research in 1998 when Sandusky was first investigated.

They did do research. They researched what they were legally required to do if he got caught again, and that's what they did. To the absolute letter of the law.

Oh, you're one of THEM.  Nevermind.


"them" being people who base their opinions on facts instead of on unsupported, self-righteous vindictiveness.

What crazy believe - "Paterno knew Sandusky was raping boys because an assistant coach saw him doing something weird in the lockerroom. He reported it, but he actively covered it up which is why nothing came of it."

What logical people believe - "Patern was told something vague about Sandusky, reported it for investigation, and assumed it was some common misunderstanding and not rape since nothing ever came of the report."

People who witness things very often get the details incorrect. That's why we have a law system and not salem witch burnings. As mentioned above, every legal avenue was followed by Paterno. If you want to throw your rage at someone, throw it at the administrators whose responsibility it was to make the campus safe, and the law enforcement that didn't do due dilligence. You know, the rage that the facts and the law support.
 
2013-04-11 12:10:31 PM  

justtray: "them" being people who base their opinions on facts instead of on unsupported, self-righteous vindictiveness.


I already have you marked as one of them.

Fine, Joe Paterno met his legal obligation.  If you're satisfied with that and incapable of reading between the lines and understanding his moral failings, that's your problem.
 
2013-04-11 12:22:10 PM  

IntertubeUser: There's far fewer Pedo State cultists apologists here than there used to be.

They should've lost their athletic program for a decade.  If ever a program deserved the death penalty, it was Pedo State.  Instead, the NCAA helped reinforce the idea that a money-making athletic program is the most precious thing there is, and that the loss of that juggernaut is too harsh a punishment for multiple child rapes and covering up multiple child rapes.

All of this will happen again.  Somewhere.  Sometime.


My money's on Notre Dame.
 
2013-04-11 12:38:57 PM  

justtray: "them" being people who base their opinions on facts instead of on unsupported, self-righteous vindictiveness.


A bunch of bored people at work are posting their opinions on a message board. If you want to pat yourself that hard on the back for being the beacon of reasoned, analytical thought, well, that's a bit self-righteous too.
 
2013-04-11 12:43:22 PM  

justtray: Yanks_RSJ: MFAWG: Yanks_RSJ: Probably should have done a little research in 1998 when Sandusky was first investigated.

They did do research. They researched what they were legally required to do if he got caught again, and that's what they did. To the absolute letter of the law.

Oh, you're one of THEM.  Nevermind.

"them" being people who base their opinions on facts instead of on unsupported, self-righteous vindictiveness.

What crazy believe - "Paterno knew Sandusky was raping boys because an assistant coach saw him doing something weird in the lockerroom. He reported it, but he actively covered it up which is why nothing came of it."

What logical people believe - "Patern was told something vague about Sandusky, reported it for investigation, and assumed it was some common misunderstanding and not rape since nothing ever came of the report."

People who witness things very often get the details incorrect. That's why we have a law system and not salem witch burnings. As mentioned above, every legal avenue was followed by Paterno. If you want to throw your rage at someone, throw it at the administrators whose responsibility it was to make the campus safe, and the law enforcement that didn't do due dilligence. You know, the rage that the facts and the law support.


Now THAT'S the stuff!

Now tell us about how metal doesn't burn, mention shape charges and Building 7.  For extra credit, throw in Obama's birth certificate.  Ready...GO!
 
2013-04-11 12:54:14 PM  

Generation_D: IntertubeUser: There's far fewer Pedo State cultists apologists here than there used to be.

They should've lost their athletic program for a decade.  If ever a program deserved the death penalty, it was Pedo State.  Instead, the NCAA helped reinforce the idea that a money-making athletic program is the most precious thing there is, and that the loss of that juggernaut is too harsh a punishment for multiple child rapes and covering up multiple child rapes.

All of this will happen again.  Somewhere.  Sometime.

My money's on Notre Dame.


Notre Dame is responsible for two deaths, didn't get much traction
 
2013-04-11 01:05:22 PM  
This family is pathological.  They are so consumed with trying to salvage Paterno's "legacy" that they refuse to accept any information that contradicts their worldview.  And I'm pretty sure they would deliberately ruin the reputation of anybody that dares to try and get in their way.

Seriously, this is no longer cute.  This family is dangerous.
 
2013-04-11 01:28:11 PM  
*snarl*

"COME TO PENN STATE!!!!"

*menacing grimace*
 
2013-04-11 01:50:41 PM  
"So, honey, my Defensive Coordinator- a man, who (like Wil Muschamp and Bo Pelini) by nature of his position should really be in line to become a head coach at a major program- has decided to retire at a young age. Also, I'm never going to mention him as a potential successor to me here, nor as a decent candidate for any coaching hire, anywhere."

"What happened, dear?"

"I dunno."
 
2013-04-11 03:12:31 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: justtray: "them" being people who base their opinions on facts instead of on unsupported, self-righteous vindictiveness.

I already have you marked as one of them.

Fine, Joe Paterno met his legal obligation.  If you're satisfied with that and incapable of reading between the lines and understanding his moral failings, that's your problem.


I have no problem, because I don't invent facts. You better adjust your tin foil and make sure the farmers planted crops this year.

Maybe you should help me out and read between the lines on this fact for me;

•  No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky.

And for extra credit, Freeh's response defending his factless report;

"Although Mr. Paterno was willing to speak with a news reporter and his biographer at that time, he elected not to speak with us. We also asked Mr. Paterno's attorney to provide us with any evidence that he and his client felt should be considered. The documents provided were included in our report."

Because, to me, it seems like he's saying, "Yeah we didn't have any facts to make our claim that Paterno did not do enough, but we made it anyway and we're sticking with it." Tell me how it reads to you.

And for double extra credit lets read between this quote of a statement from Freeh;

"e-mails and contemporary documents from 2001 show that ... four of the most powerful officials at Penn State agreed not to report Sandusky's activity to public officials."

Which to me reads, "we're going to lump everyone together because we have no actual evidence or facts that refute that Paterno himself did exactly as he was required."

Or do you only read between the lines when it's on things that you imagine to have happened?
 
2013-04-11 03:24:48 PM  

justtray: Yanks_RSJ: justtray: "them" being people who base their opinions on facts instead of on unsupported, self-righteous vindictiveness.

I already have you marked as one of them.

Fine, Joe Paterno met his legal obligation.  If you're satisfied with that and incapable of reading between the lines and understanding his moral failings, that's your problem.

I have no problem, because I don't invent facts. You better adjust your tin foil and make sure the farmers planted crops this year.

Maybe you should help me out and read between the lines on this fact for me;

•  No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky.

And for extra credit, Freeh's response defending his factless report;

"Although Mr. Paterno was willing to speak with a news reporter and his biographer at that time, he elected not to speak with us. We also asked Mr. Paterno's attorney to provide us with any evidence that he and his client felt should be considered. The documents provided were included in our report."

Because, to me, it seems like he's saying, "Yeah we didn't have any facts to make our claim that Paterno did not do enough, but we made it anyway and we're sticking with it." Tell me how it reads to you.

And for double extra credit lets read between this quote of a statement from Freeh;

"e-mails and contemporary documents from 2001 show that ... four of the most powerful officials at Penn State agreed not to report Sandusky's activity to public officials."

Which to me reads, "we're going to lump everyone together because we have no actual evidence or facts that refute that Paterno himself did exactly as he was required."

Or do you only read between the lines when it's on things that you imagine to have happened?


Do you have any sons?
 
2013-04-11 03:25:45 PM  

MFAWG: Do you have any sons?


I assumed that we just discovered Jay Paterno's Fark handle.
 
2013-04-11 04:11:13 PM  

justtray: "them" being people who base their opinions on facts instead of on unsupported, self-righteous vindictiveness.


lol. I have seen your posts in gun threads. The latter describes you perfectly.
 
2013-04-11 04:43:05 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: MFAWG: Do you have any sons?

I assumed that we just discovered Jay Paterno's Fark handle.


What the fark does that guy think about late at night? I guarantee he was at plenty of Uncle Jerry's camps over the years.
 
2013-04-11 05:52:49 PM  
Leave JoPa alone! You're lucky he even coached for you bastards!
 
2013-04-11 07:40:40 PM  

MFAWG: Yanks_RSJ: Probably should have done a little research in 1998 when Sandusky was first investigated.

They did do research. They researched what they were legally required to do if he got caught again, and that's what they did. To the absolute letter of the law.


True

But way too many just believe what the media tells them

Just wait for the crapstorm when the Paterno family wins their lawsuit against the NCAA....and that Freeh Report is totally discredited during trial
 
2013-04-11 08:12:43 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: MFAWG: Yanks_RSJ: Probably should have done a little research in 1998 when Sandusky was first investigated.

They did do research. They researched what they were legally required to do if he got caught again, and that's what they did. To the absolute letter of the law.

True

But way too many just believe what the media tells them

Just wait for the crapstorm when the Paterno family wins their lawsuit against the NCAA....and that Freeh Report is totally discredited during trial


I'll hold my breath.
 
2013-04-11 10:18:48 PM  
You gotta admit it ain't the kind of thing that you would bring up at the supper table.
"Hey, you know that nice young boy that raked the leaves in the yard a couple of weekends ago? My defensive coordinator was ass raping him in the showers yesterday. Pass the butter, please."


No, but it is the kind of thing I'd discuss with my wife when we had a quiet moment.  "I think Jerry might be molesting kids at the university."

At that quiet moment, you would be breaking the law.   Personnel matters are confidential to those involved and those with a need to know.

That could also be what happened the first time...He reported it up the chain of command.   From that point forward, the only thing the University Administration could legally tell him is that it had been dealt with and Jerry was retiring.  Any details would have been confidential info to which Paterno was not entitled.
 
2013-04-12 11:02:17 AM  

jgk3: You gotta admit it ain't the kind of thing that you would bring up at the supper table.
"Hey, you know that nice young boy that raked the leaves in the yard a couple of weekends ago? My defensive coordinator was ass raping him in the showers yesterday. Pass the butter, please."

No, but it is the kind of thing I'd discuss with my wife when we had a quiet moment.  "I think Jerry might be molesting kids at the university."

At that quiet moment, you would be breaking the law.   Personnel matters are confidential to those involved and those with a need to know.

That could also be what happened the first time...He reported it up the chain of command.   From that point forward, the only thing the University Administration could legally tell him is that it had been dealt with and Jerry was retiring.  Any details would have been confidential info to which Paterno was not entitled.


How so?  Paterno was Sandusky's immediate supervisor.  Any personnel information should have been communicated to him.  It's true that he would be in violation of the law if Paterno discussed Sandusky's situation with his wife, but that's not what is at issue here.  The family thinks Paterno was unfairly fired because HE was unaware of the extent of Sandusky's crimes.  That is the part which strains credibility.  Paterno was either willfully negligent or unbelievably naive.  The former makes much more sense, even with the old man's age.
 
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