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(Talking Points Memo)   Postal Service to keep Saturday delivery, will continue getting crap from Congress over their inability to reduce the money they spend   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 118
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2013-04-11 08:13:13 AM  
Just quietly cancel Monday deliveries while we're all arguing about Saturdays.
 
2013-04-11 08:22:51 AM  
How about dropping the pre-fund on their retirement from 75 years in advance to, say, 20? That might shave off a buck or two....
 
2013-04-11 08:48:37 AM  
Congress doesn't want to reform the USPS because then they'd lose one of their most favorite bullshiat whipping boys for the intentional Congressional budgetary fark ups of the USPS
 
2013-04-11 09:05:38 AM  

vudutek: How about dropping the pre-fund on their retirement from 75 years in advance to, say, 20? That might shave off a buck or two....


I seriously never understood who pushed this through and why it was considered a good idea.  I don't think any other quasi-public/private entity has to do this.
 
2013-04-11 09:09:41 AM  

Andromeda: vudutek: How about dropping the pre-fund on their retirement from 75 years in advance to, say, 20? That might shave off a buck or two....

I seriously never understood who pushed this through and why it was considered a good idea.  I don't think any other quasi-public/private entity has to do this.


It was the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006, and it was designed to create a financial crisis within the USPS for the goal of destroying it and proving the inefficiency of government by intentionally creating inefficiency.
 
2013-04-11 09:20:31 AM  
But will they reach such great heights?
 
2013-04-11 09:21:08 AM  
My mailman already skips deliveries about every other Saturday.  And then about 1 out of every 20 times he delivers mail to the wrong address.  I don't see how they could do much worse than the lazy, over-entitled workforce they already have.

And then there was the day I saw the mailman take out 4 mailboxes along my street, and just kept going.
 
2013-04-11 09:25:21 AM  

Aarontology: Andromeda: vudutek: How about dropping the pre-fund on their retirement from 75 years in advance to, say, 20? That might shave off a buck or two....

I seriously never understood who pushed this through and why it was considered a good idea.  I don't think any other quasi-public/private entity has to do this.

It was the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006, and it was designed to create a financial crisis within the USPS for the goal of destroying it and proving the inefficiency of government by intentionally creating inefficiency.


I'm always a little surprised they didn't just name it the "'Stop Hitting Yourself, USPS' Act".
 
MFK
2013-04-11 09:25:43 AM  

Aarontology: Andromeda: vudutek: How about dropping the pre-fund on their retirement from 75 years in advance to, say, 20? That might shave off a buck or two....

I seriously never understood who pushed this through and why it was considered a good idea.  I don't think any other quasi-public/private entity has to do this.

It was the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006, and it was designed to create a financial crisis within the USPS for the goal of destroying it and proving the inefficiency of government by intentionally creating inefficiency.


Who's taking bets that whichever dumbass put that requirement in there has UPS and FedEx on their donor list?

Why do Republicans keep manufacturing these financial crises? Why do we keep letting them do it?
 
2013-04-11 09:27:37 AM  
I have an anecdote that COMPLETELY proves this massive national organization is bad.  You guys are going to shiat yourself when I tell you what I saw this one guy do one time.
 
2013-04-11 09:40:56 AM  

MFK: Why do Republicans keep manufacturing these financial crises? Why do we keep letting them do it?


Because people like the idea of "less taxes" and "smaller government".  They just don't like  the reality.
 
2013-04-11 09:41:29 AM  

minoridiot: My mailman already skips deliveries about every other Saturday.  And then about 1 out of every 20 times he delivers mail to the wrong address.  I don't see how they could do much worse than the lazy, over-entitled workforce they already have.

And then there was the day I saw the mailman take out 4 mailboxes along my street, and just kept going.


I read a story about an IT guy who got busted for child porn therefore their entire workforce are pedophiles.
 
2013-04-11 09:43:56 AM  
Republicans: Oh, you have a highly functional and well-liked service? Let me "fix" that for you.
 
2013-04-11 09:47:36 AM  

Aarontology: Andromeda: vudutek: How about dropping the pre-fund on their retirement from 75 years in advance to, say, 20? That might shave off a buck or two....

I seriously never understood who pushed this through and why it was considered a good idea.  I don't think any other quasi-public/private entity has to do this.

It was the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006, and it was designed to create a financial crisis within the USPS for the goal of destroying it and proving the inefficiency of government by intentionally creating inefficiency.


Nah, the goal was to let UPS/FedEx/DHL/everyone else start carrying letters and first-class mail - let the private sector cannibalize well-functioning and Constitutionally-approved pieces of government, because idealism.

They were the ones funding the Congressmen to get that shiat passed. The mechanism was the insane pension retardedness, but the goal was enriching the private sector. Because who doesn't like paying $5 to send a letter to grandma one town over?
 
2013-04-11 09:48:43 AM  
As long as the APWU exists, Republicans will try and hobble the USPS.

Republicans are pretty reliable when it comes to trying to keep wages low (and wage-earners politically powerless).

Their real trick was getting wage-earners to vote Republican. God, gays, and guns (and a little lot of dog-whistle racism) has been working for quite a while, though. I keep waiting for the suckers to notice that the people they reliably vote for are enacting policies that hurt their own economic opportunities.

/I also hope that I win the Powerball
 
2013-04-11 09:49:15 AM  

Aarontology: Andromeda: vudutek: How about dropping the pre-fund on their retirement from 75 years in advance to, say, 20? That might shave off a buck or two....

I seriously never understood who pushed this through and why it was considered a good idea.  I don't think any other quasi-public/private entity has to do this.

It was the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006, and it was designed to create a financial crisis within the USPS for the goal of destroying it and proving the inefficiency of government by intentionally creating inefficiency.


Bingo.
 
2013-04-11 09:50:59 AM  
What Congress is doing to the USPS is despicable.

Dr Dreidel: Nah, the goal was to let UPS/FedEx/DHL/everyone else start carrying letters and first-class mail - let the private sector cannibalize well-functioning and Constitutionally-approved pieces of government, because idealism.


100%. The USPS had over $65 billion in operating revenue last year; big business and their stooges in Congress can't wait to get their greasy hands into that pie.
 
2013-04-11 10:12:56 AM  

Aarontology: Congress doesn't want to reform the USPS because then they'd lose one of their most favorite bullshiat whipping boys for the intentional Congressional budgetary fark ups of the USPS


Exactly.  Amtrak too.

Republican strategy:
1) Campaign on a platform of complaining that government services don't work well.  Get elected.
2) Impose onerous restrictions on government services and cut their funding to hobble them.  Provide generous subsidies to private sector alternatives.
3) GOTO 1.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-04-11 10:14:01 AM  
And still the retirement funding issue goes over everyone's heads.

Hey.. I can make civil service jokes as well as the next guy, but if USPS is insolvent this time it is TOTALLY the fault of congress.  The retirement pre-fund requirement is the perfect example of setting an organization up to fail.  It's like putting a 200 bag of cement on Usain Bolt's back and getting pissed off when he only comes in second.
 
2013-04-11 10:15:18 AM  

aaronx: As long as the APWU exists, Republicans will try and hobble the USPS.


USPS is the country's largest employer. Gonna be hard to fark with them.
 
2013-04-11 10:17:31 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Republican strategy:
1) Campaign on a platform of complaining that government services don't work well.  Get elected.
2) Impose onerous restrictions on government services and cut their funding to hobble them.  Provide generous subsidies to private sector alternatives.

3) Redirect memories of imposing restrictions to \dev\null
4)Get money from folks mad at the black guy
5)Blame Democrats for service failures

6) GOTO 1.

ver 1.1
 
2013-04-11 10:23:31 AM  

monoski: USPS is the country's largest employer.


Department of Defense and Wal-Mart both employ far more.

Possibly others as well.
 
2013-04-11 10:26:41 AM  

Aarontology: Congress doesn't want to reform the USPS because then they'd lose one of their most favorite bullshiat whipping boys for the intentional Congressional budgetary fark ups of the USPS


It's right out of the Republican playbook:

Step 1: Find a program you don't like.
Step 2: Do all that you can to make that program look wasteful and/or incompetent, preferably by mandating said waste and/or incompetence.
Step 3: Use that waste and/or incompetence as proof that the program needs to be shut down altogether.
Step 4: Your buddies with similar private programs profit.
 
2013-04-11 10:29:19 AM  

minoridiot: My mailman already skips deliveries about every other Saturday.  And then about 1 out of every 20 times he delivers mail to the wrong address.  I don't see how they could do much worse than the lazy, over-entitled workforce they already have.

And then there was the day I saw the mailman take out 4 mailboxes along my street, and just kept going.


Broken window theory. He was simply trying to help the local economy.
 
2013-04-11 10:33:41 AM  

minoridiot: My mailman already skips deliveries about every other Saturday.  And then about 1 out of every 20 times he delivers mail to the wrong address.  I don't see how they could do much worse than the lazy, over-entitled workforce they already have.

And then there was the day I saw the mailman take out 4 mailboxes along my street, and just kept going.


Well, Mr. LOLibertarian, maybe we should just replace those lazy USPS workers with UPS? Oh, wait, it would be way more expensive and if you're in BFE, you wouldn't get mail at all. No money in it you see. FedEx? Well, they'd be even more expensive because they use the USPS's logistics backbone for much of their business.

shiat like this is why the USPS gets such a bad rap. The actually do a really good job. Every job has an asshole or two. I would rather have my assholes regulated by the Government rather than the mythical "free market."
 
2013-04-11 10:44:06 AM  
I keep trying to tell this to a libertarian friend of mine. He refuses to accept that the evil incompetant government meme is a false flag planted by his favorite mainstream party, and not actual examples of Democrats being stupid.

Plenty of the latter, but geebus. Ill take left wing nuttery over right wing nuttery any day. Ive been able to communicate the validity of other viewpoints to left fringers. Not convince them they were wrong, but at least manage to get them to understand if not agree with other viewpoints.
 
2013-04-11 10:49:07 AM  

trotsky: minoridiot: ...I would rather have my assholes regulated by the Government rather than the mythical "free market."


Wait. When did this become a gay-marriage discussion?
 
2013-04-11 10:58:31 AM  
I would be happy with delivery one day a week. Maybe two tops.  I get about 4-5 useful items in the mail per week (bills mostly), but almost every day there is a new newspaper quality mass mailer that I often just wad up and put back into the outgoing mail slot (minus the address).

I figure if the mailman only has to come by once a week, we can fire most of them.  They would also restrict junkmail since the mailmen would have to carry all that crap on the same day.
 
2013-04-11 11:18:38 AM  

Tricky Chicken: I would be happy with delivery one day a week. Maybe two tops.  I get about 4-5 useful items in the mail per week (bills mostly), but almost every day there is a new newspaper quality mass mailer that I often just wad up and put back into the outgoing mail slot (minus the address).

I figure if the mailman only has to come by once a week, we can fire most of them.  They would also restrict junkmail since the mailmen would have to carry all that crap on the same day.


I know. Who needs to think about the bigger picture when it's all about you.
 
2013-04-11 11:28:27 AM  

Fart_Machine: Tricky Chicken: I would be happy with delivery one day a week. Maybe two tops.  I get about 4-5 useful items in the mail per week (bills mostly), but almost every day there is a new newspaper quality mass mailer that I often just wad up and put back into the outgoing mail slot (minus the address).

I figure if the mailman only has to come by once a week, we can fire most of them.  They would also restrict junkmail since the mailmen would have to carry all that crap on the same day.

I know. Who needs to think about the bigger picture when it's all about you.


What frikin' bigger picture?  I'm not the only residence that would be just as well served with delivery one day a week.  The whole dang service is one huge bloated waste of resources.

Deliver to businesses daily if you think they need it.

Or are you a mailman and it should be all about you?
 
2013-04-11 11:28:46 AM  

Tricky Chicken: I would be happy with delivery one day a week. Maybe two tops.  I get about 4-5 useful items in the mail per week (bills mostly), but almost every day there is a new newspaper quality mass mailer that I often just wad up and put back into the outgoing mail slot (minus the address).

I figure if the mailman only has to come by once a week, we can fire most of them.  They would also restrict junkmail since the mailmen would have to carry all that crap on the same day.


I also love extrapolating my own personal experience and needs out onto a nation of 300 million+.
 
2013-04-11 11:29:35 AM  
Funny thing is that it's the rural areas that are bankrupting the post office. These are the same types of areas where the largest amount of "government is wasting money, privatize" people live.

I bet I could find a private service to handle my limited number of mail items for about the same price as the post office charges me, but those guys would be pretty well farked.


Tricky Chicken: I would be happy with delivery one day a week. Maybe two tops.  I get about 4-5 useful items in the mail per week (bills mostly), but almost every day there is a new newspaper quality mass mailer that I often just wad up and put back into the outgoing mail slot (minus the address).

I figure if the mailman only has to come by once a week, we can fire most of them.  They would also restrict junkmail since the mailmen would have to carry all that crap on the same day.


Junkmail is what makes the whole operation possible.
 
2013-04-11 11:37:28 AM  

serial_crusher: Just quietly cancel Monday deliveries while we're all arguing about Saturdays.


For real. But make it Wednesday instead. I hate Wednesday. Nothing good ever happens on a Wednesday.
 
2013-04-11 11:39:26 AM  

MFK: Who's taking bets that whichever dumbass put that requirement in there has UPS and FedEx on their donor list?


I wouldn't take that bet. UPS and FedEx use the USPS extensively to provide last mile delivery to locations that are not profitable. Which is part of the reason the USPS exists. Without it, you could very well find yourself spending $100 to mail a slip of paper to grandma in bumfark nowhere, Indiana
 
2013-04-11 11:55:24 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: serial_crusher: Just quietly cancel Monday deliveries while we're all arguing about Saturdays.

For real. But make it Wednesday instead. I hate Wednesday. Nothing good ever happens on a Wednesday.


Couldn't we make it Thursday?
 
2013-04-11 11:56:27 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Couldn't we make it Thursday?


Bah. [arthur-dent.jpg]
 
2013-04-11 12:01:47 PM  
Couldn't we initiate something like a Kickstarter Campaign so that regular joe's can help the CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED and (prior to congress trying to killl it) completely self sustaining Postal Service fund it's pension system through voluntary contributions?

Damn, if that were successful, what a kick in the nuts to these blowhards in congress trying to kill the CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED US Postal Service.
 
2013-04-11 12:16:12 PM  

X-boxershorts: Couldn't we initiate something like a Kickstarter Campaign so that regular joe's can help the CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED and (prior to congress trying to killl it) completely self sustaining Postal Service fund it's pension system through voluntary contributions?


There is nothing mandatory about the USPS.
 
2013-04-11 12:20:35 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Tricky Chicken: I would be happy with delivery one day a week. Maybe two tops.  I get about 4-5 useful items in the mail per week (bills mostly), but almost every day there is a new newspaper quality mass mailer that I often just wad up and put back into the outgoing mail slot (minus the address).

I figure if the mailman only has to come by once a week, we can fire most of them.  They would also restrict junkmail since the mailmen would have to carry all that crap on the same day.

I also love extrapolating my own personal experience and needs out onto a nation of 300 million+.


Are you insinuating that the average person gets more than enough snail mail to fill an average mailbox MORE than twice a week?  Please cite some source for this nationwide need you are implying!

Oh wait, this is fark, where we pull stuff out our asses.  Carry on with your troll self.
 
2013-04-11 12:24:37 PM  

GoldSpider: X-boxershorts: Couldn't we initiate something like a Kickstarter Campaign so that regular joe's can help the CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED and (prior to congress trying to killl it) completely self sustaining Postal Service fund it's pension system through voluntary contributions?

There is nothing mandatory about the USPS.


Well, this is true.

Congress is explicitly  empowered by the Constitution to run a postal service, but that does not mean that they are required to do so.

The Constitution empowers Congress to do a bunch of stuff that it doesn't actually do.  Article 1, Section 8 explicitly empowers Congress to issue Letters of Marque to privateers (pirates) on the high seas to attack foreign powers.  Congress hasn't used this power since 1812.
 
2013-04-11 12:27:47 PM  
It's sad, Congress is going to let the USPS become silhouettes of themselves just so the District sleeps tonight.
 
2013-04-11 12:28:59 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Doc Daneeka: Tricky Chicken: I would be happy with delivery one day a week. Maybe two tops.  I get about 4-5 useful items in the mail per week (bills mostly), but almost every day there is a new newspaper quality mass mailer that I often just wad up and put back into the outgoing mail slot (minus the address).

I figure if the mailman only has to come by once a week, we can fire most of them.  They would also restrict junkmail since the mailmen would have to carry all that crap on the same day.

I also love extrapolating my own personal experience and needs out onto a nation of 300 million+.

Are you insinuating that the average person gets more than enough snail mail to fill an average mailbox MORE than twice a week?  Please cite some source for this nationwide need you are implying!

Oh wait, this is fark, where we pull stuff out our asses.  Carry on with your troll self.


How is pointing out that "They should eliminate this service because I don't personally use it" may not be the most sound logical argument, a troll?
 
2013-04-11 12:30:11 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Congress is explicitly empowered by the Constitution to run a postal service, but that does not mean that they are required to do so.


Just sayin... an epidemic misunderstanding of this basic mechanism is part of the problem in our national political discourse.
 
2013-04-11 12:32:43 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Tricky Chicken: Doc Daneeka: Tricky Chicken: I would be happy with delivery one day a week. Maybe two tops.  I get about 4-5 useful items in the mail per week (bills mostly), but almost every day there is a new newspaper quality mass mailer that I often just wad up and put back into the outgoing mail slot (minus the address).

I figure if the mailman only has to come by once a week, we can fire most of them.  They would also restrict junkmail since the mailmen would have to carry all that crap on the same day.

I also love extrapolating my own personal experience and needs out onto a nation of 300 million+.

Are you insinuating that the average person gets more than enough snail mail to fill an average mailbox MORE than twice a week?  Please cite some source for this nationwide need you are implying!

Oh wait, this is fark, where we pull stuff out our asses.  Carry on with your troll self.

How is pointing out that "They should eliminate this service because I don't personally use it" may not be the most sound logical argument, a troll?


You are implying a need for a daily service.  Please provide some evidence for said need.  I will accept a per-household volume if you wish.  Please explain how this volume cannot be handled on a twice per week schedule or less.

Or concede that there is no need for 6 day per week delivery.
 
2013-04-11 12:35:35 PM  

The Third Man: It's sad, Congress is going to let the USPS become silhouettes of themselves just so the District sleeps tonight.


It's their own fault really, wasting all those tattered lines of string.
 
2013-04-11 12:37:49 PM  

Aarontology: Andromeda: vudutek: How about dropping the pre-fund on their retirement from 75 years in advance to, say, 20? That might shave off a buck or two....

I seriously never understood who pushed this through and why it was considered a good idea.  I don't think any other quasi-public/private entity has to do this.

It was the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006, and it was designed to create a financial crisis within the USPS for the goal of destroying it and proving the inefficiency of government by intentionally creating inefficiency.


Let's also not forget that the Postal Service is that it has vast - and VERY valuable - real-estate holdings . The Postal Service values its properties at their purchase price, rather than their fair market value. The total purchase price value comes to about $27 billion. Since these properties were purchased many, years ago, these properties are worth much, much more. We are talking probably 100's of   BILLIONS of dollars.

Close the postal service, sell the property to private companies, make many rich people richer and congress can asy they've "cleaned up Washington."  Also UPS and others can then take over portions of the PO and charge us all 7.00 to mail one letter.

We can thank these voters...

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-11 12:41:33 PM  

Doc Daneeka: monoski: USPS is the country's largest employer.

Department of Defense and Wal-Mart both employ far more.

Possibly others as well.


Both of your examples count sub-contractors and part timers. NPR reported USPS is the largest full-time employer (I should have clarified)
 
2013-04-11 12:42:16 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Doc Daneeka: Tricky Chicken: I would be happy with delivery one day a week. Maybe two tops.  I get about 4-5 useful items in the mail per week (bills mostly), but almost every day there is a new newspaper quality mass mailer that I often just wad up and put back into the outgoing mail slot (minus the address).

I figure if the mailman only has to come by once a week, we can fire most of them.  They would also restrict junkmail since the mailmen would have to carry all that crap on the same day.

I also love extrapolating my own personal experience and needs out onto a nation of 300 million+.

Are you insinuating that the average person gets more than enough snail mail to fill an average mailbox MORE than twice a week?  Please cite some source for this nationwide need you are implying!

Oh wait, this is fark, where we pull stuff out our asses.  Carry on with your troll self.


Umm, that is exactly what you are doing as well.
 
2013-04-11 12:43:41 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Doc Daneeka: Tricky Chicken: Doc Daneeka: Tricky Chicken: I would be happy with delivery one day a week. Maybe two tops.  I get about 4-5 useful items in the mail per week (bills mostly), but almost every day there is a new newspaper quality mass mailer that I often just wad up and put back into the outgoing mail slot (minus the address).

I figure if the mailman only has to come by once a week, we can fire most of them.  They would also restrict junkmail since the mailmen would have to carry all that crap on the same day.

I also love extrapolating my own personal experience and needs out onto a nation of 300 million+.

Are you insinuating that the average person gets more than enough snail mail to fill an average mailbox MORE than twice a week?  Please cite some source for this nationwide need you are implying!

Oh wait, this is fark, where we pull stuff out our asses.  Carry on with your troll self.

How is pointing out that "They should eliminate this service because I don't personally use it" may not be the most sound logical argument, a troll?

You are implying a need for a daily service.  Please provide some evidence for said need.  I will accept a per-household volume if you wish.  Please explain how this volume cannot be handled on a twice per week schedule or less.

Or concede that there is no need for 6 day per week delivery.


You were the one who made the original claim, therefore the burden of proof is on you.
 
2013-04-11 12:44:06 PM  

Orange-Pippin: Also UPS and others can then take over portions of the PO and charge us all 7.00 to mail one letter.


Good thing I can count on one hand the number of letters I needed to send last year.
 
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