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(World Tribune)   If I had 20,000 M-16s in a warehouse in Kuwait, I think I'd have some guards. But that's just me   (worldtribune.com ) divider line
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2013-04-11 09:06:19 AM  
Given the scarcity of 5.56/.223 these days in our country, let alone overseas, they're pretty much really expensive paperweights.
 
2013-04-11 09:07:41 AM  
The beast is hungry and must be fed.
 
2013-04-11 09:08:27 AM  
Me thinks the thieves knew what they were going after.

Likely going into Africa.
 
2013-04-11 09:09:04 AM  
Cool....   an opportunity here to restock some shelves for the Kuwait Army (I can't spell Kuwaities).

Mo' money... Mo' money....
 
2013-04-11 09:10:36 AM  
And obviously no one on the inside was involved
 
2013-04-11 09:11:09 AM  
H'mm  this will now allow for plausible deniability for the U.S. in  the future when some rogue group turns up with U.S. made weapons.
"We didn't supply them with arms, they stole them."
 
2013-04-11 09:12:39 AM  

Madaynun: H'mm  this will now allow for plausible deniability for the U.S. in  the future when some rogue group turns up with U.S. made weapons.
"We didn't supply them with arms, they stole them."


Guess the Syrian rebels ran out of old Nazi StG.44 Ammo and needed new rifles.
 
2013-04-11 09:13:20 AM  
Not if I was the CIA and illegally selling weapons to a militant group in the middle east.
 
2013-04-11 09:14:04 AM  
20k true M16s (if TFA is to be believed) & 15k rounds of 9mm ammo...... hmmm, given how scarce ammo is getting these days the 9mm might actually be worth more...

/no not really but it seems that way when trying to find any recently
//I agree, the rifles are probably heading south to Africa - feeding them will be tough though
 
2013-04-11 09:14:55 AM  
This is why Kuwait needs gun registration.
 
2013-04-11 09:17:03 AM  
Nobody cares about the A2.

The A1 is worth some serious change.
 
2013-04-11 09:17:34 AM  
15,000 rounds of .223 is a fair amount.

That's almost twice as much as our hunting camp has stockpil....   well, you know what I mean.
 
2013-04-11 09:17:46 AM  
Me thinks the thieves knew what they were going after.

Likely going into Africa Syria.


FTFY.
 
2013-04-11 09:18:16 AM  
please send me a few.
 
2013-04-11 09:18:47 AM  

netcentric: 15,000 rounds of .223 is a fair amount.

That's almost twice as much as our hunting camp has stockpil....   well, you know what I mean.


i38.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-11 09:20:02 AM  

dryknife: This is why Kuwait needs gun registration.


The ATF used a number of NFA firearms wihout a tax stamp and form 4 to murder a bunch of religious wackos whos suspected crime was not filling out a form 4 and obtaining a tax stamp for an NFA item.

Governments and their agencies are always immune from laws.
 
2013-04-11 09:21:06 AM  
Oh, it's 15k of 9mm.

Well... our hunting camp has a mixed bag of handgun rounds.    Maybe only 10k are 9mm
 
2013-04-11 09:21:42 AM  
A pepper that hot makes you do funny things.
 
2013-04-11 09:24:12 AM  
I would assess that about 90+% of all photos/images/vids I have ever seen of Africans and their weapons...the vast majority are "WARSAW Pact" weapons and munitions.
7.62x39,7.62x54 PK,RPK and AK (sometimes 5.45)
The only NATO weapons I ever see in the hands of Liberians,Somalis and others is the occasional FN-FAL or G3 in 7.62x51

A flood of 5.56x45 rifles and no ammo would seem worthless to me.
 
2013-04-11 09:27:51 AM  

Citrate1007: Not if I was the CIA and illegally selling weapons to a militant group in the middle east.


Would you like gravy and biscuits on your free chicken dinner?
 
2013-04-11 09:29:16 AM  
Oh, that's where Santa keeps those.
 
2013-04-11 09:30:44 AM  
I think the "there were no guards present when the break in occurred" was probably not necessary.
 
2013-04-11 09:33:44 AM  

Giltric: dryknife: This is why Kuwait needs gun registration.

The ATF used a number of NFA firearms wihout a tax stamp and form 4 to murder a bunch of religious wackos whos suspected crime was not filling out a form 4 and obtaining a tax stamp for an NFA item.

Governments and their agencies are always immune from laws.


Shaddap both of ya's. This be a sleazy forigen policy thread. Gun thread is 4 doors down.
 
2013-04-11 09:34:29 AM  

dryknife: This is why Kuwait needs gun registration.


And universal background checks.
 
2013-04-11 09:36:55 AM  

Ned Stark: Shaddap both of ya's. This be a sleazy forigen policy thread. Gun thread is 4 doors down.


So no "Another responsible gun owner" ?
 
2013-04-11 09:37:28 AM  

Giltric: dryknife: This is why Kuwait needs gun registration.

The ATF used a number of NFA firearms wihout a tax stamp and form 4 to murder a bunch of religious wackos whos suspected crime was not filling out a form 4 and obtaining a tax stamp for an NFA item.

Governments and their agencies are always immune from laws.


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IT'S MY ICE CREAM BAR. AND NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE IT FROM ME. WHY WON'T THEY LEAVE ME....ALONEEEEE!
 
2013-04-11 09:52:27 AM  
My bet is "guarding weapons" is one of those things beneath the dignity of the average local, but you can't exactly trust your imported Pakistani indentured servants to do...
 
2013-04-11 09:54:38 AM  
Any chance Eric Holder is also Kuwait's secretary of justice?
 
2013-04-11 09:57:14 AM  
I admit I don't know a whole lot about guns, but why do people think that the thieves, who most likely had inside help, would steal all those guns if they could not get the ammo?
 
2013-04-11 10:02:14 AM  
Hmm. I just got an e-mail from CDNN that select AR-15s were now in stock. Coincidence?
 
2013-04-11 10:03:00 AM  

netcentric: Cool....   an opportunity here to restock some shelves for the Kuwait Army (I can't spell Kuwaities).

Mo' money... Mo' money....


Please. The correct nomenclature is Kuwaiters and Kuwaitresses.
 
2013-04-11 10:03:19 AM  
Don't worry, subby, you don't have 20,000 M-16s now.
 
2013-04-11 10:13:57 AM  
I watched this story make the rounds this morning, then dug up the real story.  Let's just say that World Tribune played a little loose with facts.

First, a better link(*).  You may notice that A: They weren't "US weapons".  In fact, they weren't weapons at all.  Thieves stole 35k rounds of ammo from a Kuwaiti military shooting range ammunition warehouse.

B:  It wasn't unguarded.  An officer at the range and 5 civilian laborers were allegedly involved in the theft.  The thieves knew exactly when to hit and how to get in and out to avoid security.  Interestingly, several security personnel have been "moved" after their names came up during the interrogations of people detained in relation to the theft.

* Apparently, Fark can't connect to this link and keeps stripping it out of the post.  Here it is for copying and pasting.

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsDetails/tabid/96/smid/414/ArticleI D /195009/reftab/36/t/Senior-officer-sacked-many-others-shifted-in-ammo- theft/Default.aspx

/Personally, I never trust a "news" site that feels the need to maintain a list of its "greatest hits", most of which seem to be Republican talking points throughout recent history, including multiple articles on where Saddam has hidden his WMDs so they won't be found.
 
2013-04-11 10:23:15 AM  

uknesvuinng: I watched this story make the rounds this morning, then dug up the real story.  Let's just say that World Tribune played a little loose with facts.

First, a better link(*).  You may notice that A: They weren't "US weapons".  In fact, they weren't weapons at all.  Thieves stole 35k rounds of ammo from a Kuwaiti military shooting range ammunition warehouse.

B:  It wasn't unguarded.  An officer at the range and 5 civilian laborers were allegedly involved in the theft.  The thieves knew exactly when to hit and how to get in and out to avoid security.  Interestingly, several security personnel have been "moved" after their names came up during the interrogations of people detained in relation to the theft.

* Apparently, Fark can't connect to this link and keeps stripping it out of the post.  Here it is for copying and pasting.

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsDetails/tabid/96/smid/414/ArticleI D /195009/reftab/36/t/Senior-officer-sacked-many-others-shifted-in-ammo- theft/Default.aspx

/Personally, I never trust a "news" site that feels the need to maintain a list of its "greatest hits", most of which seem to be Republican talking points throughout recent history, including multiple articles on where Saddam has hidden his WMDs so they won't be found.


Dammit. I knew that 35k rounds of .223 at a penny a piece was too good to pass up...Sorry Kuwait, my bad.
 
2013-04-11 10:24:59 AM  
Eric Holder works for the Kuwaitis now?

tallen702: Given the scarcity of 5.56/.223 these days in our country, let alone overseas, they're pretty much really expensive paperweights.


ATK and US manufacturers are tapped out because of millions of new AR owners stockpiling, but the round is used worldwide.   Many nations have privategun owners as well as police and military contractors. They'vekept their own stockpiles which weren't affected by the US based rush.

Also, if there is a demand then foreign factories will start to fill it.  There's been rumors of the Austrailians coming to meet US government needs, which means there probably isn't much of a shortage outside of our self enforced famine.

/If you can afford expensive guns, you can afford expensive ammo.
/All the budget shooters are using Russian cartridges.
 
2013-04-11 10:31:07 AM  
Yuri Orlov (voice over): When the United States leaves a war zonethey generally don't take the munitions. It costs more to bring it back then to buy new stock.


Buyer: So, you sell by the kilo?


Yuri: Second hand weapons but they are still OK (chambers weapon and fires a few rounds)

How many kilos would you like?


Buyer: Five thousand.


Yuri (voice over): I had a flirt for languages.

But I soon discovered that what talks best is dollars, dinars, drahmas, rubles, rupies and pounds farking sterling.

bradnehring.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-11 10:32:55 AM  
Oblig
1. Sell M-16s
2. Claim the guns are stolen
3. Profit!
 
2013-04-11 10:33:26 AM  

way south: Eric Holder works for the Kuwaitis now?

tallen702: Given the scarcity of 5.56/.223 these days in our country, let alone overseas, they're pretty much really expensive paperweights.

ATK and US manufacturers are tapped out because of millions of new AR owners stockpiling, but the round is used worldwide.   Many nations have privategun owners as well as police and military contractors. They'vekept their own stockpiles which weren't affected by the US based rush.

Also, if there is a demand then foreign factories will start to fill it.  There's been rumors of the Austrailians coming to meet US government needs, which means there probably isn't much of a shortage outside of our self enforced famine.

/If you can afford expensive guns, you can afford expensive ammo.
/All the budget shooters are using Russian cartridges.




For the record, the ammunition industry in America creates its own artificial shortages etc to manipulate pricing and demand. If there is one thing we can manufacture to no end, its farking ammunition. The infrastructure is already there, and scaling up production in the year 2013 is a breeze. They can more than keep up with demand if they wanted to.
 
2013-04-11 11:13:20 AM  

tallen702: Madaynun: H'mm  this will now allow for plausible deniability for the U.S. in  the future when some rogue group turns up with U.S. made weapons.
"We didn't supply them with arms, they stole them."

Guess the Syrian rebels ran out of old Nazi StG.44 Ammo and needed new rifles.


Speaking of old German equipment...

In the 1960s Syria received a number of Panzer IVs from the French, replacing the turret's machine gun with a Soviet-made 12.7-millimetre (0.50 in) machine gun. These were used to shell Israeli settlements below the Golan Heights, and were fired upon in 1965 during the Water War by Israeli Centurion tanks. Syria received 17 more Panzer IVs from Spain, which saw combat during the Six-Day War in 1967.

Not that any are still around, but it would be interesting to see them in action one last time.
 
2013-04-11 11:16:10 AM  

Alonjar: way south: Eric Holder works for the Kuwaitis now?

tallen702: Given the scarcity of 5.56/.223 these days in our country, let alone overseas, they're pretty much really expensive paperweights.

ATK and US manufacturers are tapped out because of millions of new AR owners stockpiling, but the round is used worldwide.   Many nations have privategun owners as well as police and military contractors. They'vekept their own stockpiles which weren't affected by the US based rush.

Also, if there is a demand then foreign factories will start to fill it.  There's been rumors of the Austrailians coming to meet US government needs, which means there probably isn't much of a shortage outside of our self enforced famine.

/If you can afford expensive guns, you can afford expensive ammo.
/All the budget shooters are using Russian cartridges.

For the record, the ammunition industry in America creates its own artificial shortages etc to manipulate pricing and demand. If there is one thing we can manufacture to no end, its farking ammunition. The infrastructure is already there, and scaling up production in the year 2013 is a breeze. They can more than keep up with demand if they wanted to.


I'd like to see the numbers on the artificial shortage. copper, brass, and lead are all in very high demand in other countries right now (namely most of SE Asia and India) that means higher prices and less available product.
 
2013-04-11 11:34:49 AM  

TravelingFreakshow: Nobody cares about the A2.

The A1 is worth some serious change.


Yes, yes you are correct.  Love me some A1, love long time.  Love so much some fool gave me a ribbon saying I can shoot A1 good, real good, long time good.
 
2013-04-11 11:38:44 AM  

Alonjar: For the record, the ammunition industry in America creates its own artificial shortages etc to manipulate pricing and demand. If there is one thing we can manufacture to no end, its farking ammunition. The infrastructure is already there, and scaling up production in the year 2013 is a breeze. They can more than keep up with demand if they wanted to.


Depends on what you mean by "the ammunition industry".

I don't think that manufacturers have much to do with it. Right now they are all busting their asses just to meet market demand.

I have heard of gun store owners buying out the stocks at the local Walmart to resell in their shops at a markup. The fact that a Walmart near me has now posted a sign that ammo purchases are limited to three boxes per person per day lends some credence to that scenario.
 
2013-04-11 11:40:46 AM  

Cybernetic: Depends on what you mean by "the ammunition industry".

I don't think that manufacturers have much to do with it. Right now they are all busting their asses just to meet market demand.

I have heard of gun store owners buying out the stocks at the local Walmart to resell in their shops at a markup. The fact that a Walmart near me has now posted a sign that ammo purchases are limited to three boxes per person per day lends some credence to that scenario.


I'm not saying Obama.....but Obama


/obvious sarcasm
 
2013-04-11 11:50:28 AM  
You can't TELL ME there's a wild pig within MILES of that place. They're in hiding over there, god damn.
 
2013-04-11 11:56:59 AM  
"broke in" "stole"
 
2013-04-11 12:10:35 PM  

tallen702: Alonjar: way south: Eric Holder works for the Kuwaitis now?

tallen702: Given the scarcity of 5.56/.223 these days in our country, let alone overseas, they're pretty much really expensive paperweights.

ATK and US manufacturers are tapped out because of millions of new AR owners stockpiling, but the round is used worldwide.   Many nations have privategun owners as well as police and military contractors. They'vekept their own stockpiles which weren't affected by the US based rush.

Also, if there is a demand then foreign factories will start to fill it.  There's been rumors of the Austrailians coming to meet US government needs, which means there probably isn't much of a shortage outside of our self enforced famine.

/If you can afford expensive guns, you can afford expensive ammo.
/All the budget shooters are using Russian cartridges.

For the record, the ammunition industry in America creates its own artificial shortages etc to manipulate pricing and demand. If there is one thing we can manufacture to no end, its farking ammunition. The infrastructure is already there, and scaling up production in the year 2013 is a breeze. They can more than keep up with demand if they wanted to.

I'd like to see the numbers on the artificial shortage. copper, brass, and lead are all in very high demand in other countries right now (namely most of SE Asia and India) that means higher prices and less available product.


To a point, yes.
But I've seen some dealers charging over a buck a round when the high water mark should be under half that.  Other ammunition types (notably 7.62X54r and X39, 5.45x51) seem less affected despite using the same materials and being popular chambers.

In the US I think it runs a bit deeper into not just regulatory limits, but the lack of tooling itself.  If you got up from your desk and said "Screw this, I'm just going to make my own ammunition!" then you'd be a stuck on backorder just to get a press, reloading dies, case trimmers and primers.
This isn't just the hobbyists stockpiling, but millions of first time owners snapping up gear.

/All in all its not so alarming as the run on things like body armor and MRE's.
/If I didn't blame it all on the popularity of that damn doomsday prepping show, you'd think people were gearing for a war or something.
 
2013-04-11 12:18:18 PM  

way south: /All in all its not so alarming as the run on things like body armor and MRE's.
/If I didn't blame it all on the popularity of that damn doomsday prepping show, you'd think people were gearing for a war or something.


It's almost as though the intent of the 2nd Amendment was for the American people to be able to resist an invading army on their own.

The US has perhaps the largest disorganized infantry in the world, and likely, the best armed.
 
2013-04-11 12:23:21 PM  
way south:
To a point, yes.
But I've seen some dealers charging over a buck a round when the high water mark should be under half that.  Other ammunition types (notably 7.62X54r and X39, 5.45x51) seem less affected despite using the same materials and being popular chambers.

In the US I think it runs a bit deeper into not just regulatory limits, but the lack of tooling itself.  If you got up from your desk and said "Screw this, I'm just going to make my own ammunition!" then you'd be a stuck on backorder just to get a press, reloading dies, case trimmers and prime ...


Charging higher than they should is just a side effect of unregulated sales. It's neither good nor bad in reality other than the fact that it creates a bubble at some point. Where lowers were going for $2000 on GB and AL two months ago, now they're coming back down to semi-reasonable pricing. Same goes for ammo. Supply, demand, and speculation will always bork with costs for the end user.

The only reason x54R is still relatively 'cheap' is the sheer volume of the stuff on surplus. If you go buy some Prvi x54R or even Brown Bear, you're talking $.50/rnd minimum. Even combloc surplus is $.20 at the case level these days.

5.45 is cheap because the '74 isn't as well known as the '47/AKM over here and surplus still exists in bulk for it.
 
2013-04-11 12:32:34 PM  
Love to see these guise try to load 9mm into an M16.
 
2013-04-11 12:41:34 PM  

stuffy: Love to see these guise try to load 9mm into an M16.


Swap the upper and it's cake.
 
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