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2013-04-11 09:03:52 AM
Should humans really survive?

I mean, we're a savage, warlike, child race who can't even get along with each other because of stupid things like skin color, belief in different invisible sky wizards, or just because.

Does the universe really need this plague spread across it?
 
2013-04-11 09:04:43 AM
I think going to a particular destination in space is kind of pointless.  Rather, we should be focusing on living in space itself, then we can go anywhere we want.  Once you have habitats outside the gravity well, you can do all kinds of things.
 
2013-04-11 09:08:36 AM
I read that the Super Society of wealthy elite have already formulated plans to kill off all but around 300,000 people, so they can rule the planet with a legion of slaves to support them.

So we're fine, space can wait.
 
2013-04-11 09:09:18 AM
Was it this guy?

cdn.uproxx.com
 
2013-04-11 09:09:44 AM
Well, the Sun will burn out eventually..

Oh, you mean the next 1000 years... we'll probably survive, just a lot less of us.
 
2013-04-11 09:10:02 AM
I may be naive, but wouldn't it be easier to re-terraform earth than to try to make another planet habitable?
 
2013-04-11 09:12:00 AM

Xaneidolon: I may be naive, but wouldn't it be easier to re-terraform earth than to try to make another planet habitable?


Maybe, but then you've got billions of pesky humans to deal with.
 
2013-04-11 09:16:01 AM
Disease and Famine have kept us in check in the past when we've outgrown our petri dish.......why would anyone assume that it won't happen again.  Civilization may break down temporarily, but you have to have another dark age before you can have  a renaissance.
 
2013-04-11 09:18:28 AM
You know who else had a thousand year plan?
 
2013-04-11 09:22:00 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Does the universe really need this plague spread across it?


We must purge the unclean and heretical

For the Emperor!
 
2013-04-11 09:22:58 AM
We should do everyone a favor and go ahead and nuke each other into oblivion. The Universe as a whole will be much better off.

If it came to light that aliens do exist and just have intentionally quarantined us from the rest of the galaxy, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
 
2013-04-11 09:26:07 AM
i478.photobucket.com

Whatever, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude
 
2013-04-11 09:27:47 AM
Came expecting Kirk Cameron because of the wheelchair shot.
 
2013-04-11 09:28:54 AM
"We have to explore space and there is a simple reason why. Ask 10 different scientist about the enviroment, population control, genetics and you'll get 10 different answers, but there is one thing every scientist agrees on. Whether it happens in 100 years or 1000 years or 1 million 4 billion years or 5 billion years our sun will grow cold and go out expand and swallow the planet. When that happens it won't just take us, it will take Mayrlin Monroe, Lao Szu, Einstien, Marobuto, Buddy Holly, Aristole. And all of this will have been for nothing. Unless we go to the stars."

/edited...For Science!
 
2013-04-11 09:31:07 AM

Mr.Hawk: [i478.photobucket.com image 640x340]

Whatever, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude


LET'S FARK SOME WHORES!
 
2013-04-11 09:33:09 AM

Bondith: "We have to explore space and there is a simple reason why. Ask 10 different scientist about the enviroment, population control, genetics and you'll get 10 different answers, but there is one thing every scientist agrees on. Whether it happens in 100 years or 1000 years or 1 million 4 billion years or 5 billion years our sun will grow cold and go out expand and swallow the planet. When that happens it won't just take us, it will take Mayrlin Monroe, Lao Szu, Einstien, Marobuto, Buddy Holly, Aristole. And all of this will have been for nothing. Unless we go to the stars."

/edited...For Science!


But even then, eventually the Universe itself will succumb to heat-death. So it's mostly a moot point.
 
2013-04-11 09:40:27 AM
Humans will survive just fine.  Just not all of them.
 
2013-04-11 09:41:24 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Should humans really survive?

I mean, we're a savage, warlike, child race who can't even get along with each other because of stupid things like skin color, belief in different invisible sky wizards, or just because.

Does the universe really need this plague spread across it?


Meesa thinks somma Farker no reeda comments page fromma "Hero" posta few days ago.

/I liked Jar-Jar.
 
2013-04-11 09:42:03 AM
Actually, if there really is extraterrestrial life watching is, they're probably going to do everything they can to keep us from leaving this planet and heading of to F-up a couple more of them.
 
2013-04-11 09:47:54 AM
We'll all be dead by then anyway.
 
2013-04-11 09:53:08 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Should humans really survive?

I mean, we're a savage, warlike, child race who can't even get along with each other because of stupid things like skin color, belief in different invisible sky wizards, or just because.

Does the universe really need this plague spread across it?


Self-hate is the best kind of hate.  What are you going to do about it?
 
2013-04-11 09:56:40 AM
Solution: Less people. Species that overpopulate and pollute their environment suffer mass die outs. The population will start to decline very soon because of this. Limiting yourself to two kids or less doesn't hurt either.Within 50 or so years, I'd bet the population is a fraction of what it is today. With less people abusing the planet, the survivors will have better conditions.
 
2013-04-11 09:58:34 AM
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2013-04-11 10:03:58 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Should humans really survive?

I mean, we're a savage, warlike, child race who can't even get along with each other because of stupid things like skin color, belief in different invisible sky wizards, or just because.

Does the universe really need this plague spread across it?


Q? Is that you?
 
2013-04-11 10:04:38 AM

Esroc: But even then, eventually the Universe itself will succumb to heat-death. So it's mostly a moot point.


Given a few trillion years of human (or rather, whatever evolves from us) ingenuity, we'd probably figure out a solution to that one too.
 
2013-04-11 10:06:40 AM

HotWingConspiracy: I read that the Super Society of wealthy elite have already formulated plans to kill off all but around 300,000 people, so they can rule the planet with a legion of slaves to support them.

So we're fine, space can wait.


Dude, you were not supposed to say anything about that yet.
 
2013-04-11 10:11:08 AM

Joe Blowme: FirstNationalBastard: Should humans really survive?

I mean, we're a savage, warlike, child race who can't even get along with each other because of stupid things like skin color, belief in different invisible sky wizards, or just because.

Does the universe really need this plague spread across it?

Q? Is that you?


Ah, Q... Now there's a sky wizard I could get behind!
 
2013-04-11 10:11:09 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Should humans really survive?

I mean, we're a savage, warlike, child race who can't even get along with each other because of stupid things like skin color, belief in different invisible sky wizards, or just because.

Does the universe really need this plague spread across it?


It's more basic than that. Humans are basically parasites. We'll eventually overrun this planet to the point where it can no longer sustain us.
 
2013-04-11 10:11:44 AM

Esroc: Bondith: "We have to explore space and there is a simple reason why. Ask 10 different scientist about the enviroment, population control, genetics and you'll get 10 different answers, but there is one thing every scientist agrees on. Whether it happens in 100 years or 1000 years or 1 million 4 billion years or 5 billion years our sun will grow cold and go out expand and swallow the planet. When that happens it won't just take us, it will take Mayrlin Monroe, Lao Szu, Einstien, Marobuto, Buddy Holly, Aristole. And all of this will have been for nothing. Unless we go to the stars."

/edited...For Science!

But even then, eventually the Universe itself will succumb to heat-death. So it's mostly a moot point.


But but but the species and stuff.
 
2013-04-11 10:14:57 AM

Citrate1007: Disease and Famine have kept us in check in the past when we've outgrown our petri dish.......why would anyone assume that it won't happen again.  Civilization may break down temporarily, but you have to have another dark age before you can have  a renaissance.


We're pretty much the only species to willfully go above our habitat's carrying capacity, largely because we can enter different ecosystems and take from them without ever fully leaving the ecosystem we already belong to. We are also the only species that can actively protect against new diseases without natural selection. Humans used to be kept in check by the natural limitations, but we're so fighting those limitations that we're actually dragging the planet down with us.

Seriously, look at the human population up until the industrial revolution. We had the normal logistical curve of populations until right about then.

We're either going to have to go quietly, or find some new place to scavenge resources.
 
2013-04-11 10:17:16 AM
Dude, my shiat up there cannot be obscure...
 
2013-04-11 10:17:41 AM
1.  Duh.
2.  Who cares?
 
2013-04-11 10:17:52 AM
Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe and Lao-Tzu, Einstein, Morobuto, Buddy Holly, Aristophanes .. and all of this .. all of this was for nothing unless we go to the stars."

-- Sinclair, Babylon 5
 
2013-04-11 10:22:44 AM

Sultan Of Herf: Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe and Lao-Tzu, Einstein, Morobuto, Buddy Holly, Aristophanes .. and all of this .. all of this was for nothing unless we go to the stars."

-- Sinclair, Babylon 5


Nice
 
2013-04-11 10:23:42 AM
I have no doubt that when it comes down to it, we'll find a way to make life continue to work on earth. However, we should be experimenting with long-term extraterrestrial habitation to prepare for the future, and just because it's so cool.

What we could learn from setting up a permanent base on the moon we could use to set up a permanent base on Mars.  What we learn from living on Mars we could use to set up manned research stations on Jupiter's moons.

Eventually when we figure out FTL travel we'll be able to use what we already know to colonize planets in other solar systems.

Just because there is no practical way to do any of that yet doesn't mean we shouldn't be trying.  The only way well ever figure it out is to keep throwing ourselves at the problem.
 
2013-04-11 10:27:49 AM

Coolfusis: We're either going to have to go quietly, or find some new place to scavenge resources.


Or adapt to a new reality. Oh the horror. You guys with your dramatic either/or scenarios.

TuteTibiImperes: I have no doubt that when it comes down to it, we'll find a way to make life continue to work on earth. However, we should be experimenting with long-term extraterrestrial habitation to prepare for the future, and just because it's so cool.

What we could learn from setting up a permanent base on the moon we could use to set up a permanent base on Mars.  What we learn from living on Mars we could use to set up manned research stations on Jupiter's moons.

Eventually when we figure out FTL travel we'll be able to use what we already know to colonize planets in other solar systems.

Just because there is no practical way to do any of that yet doesn't mean we shouldn't be trying.  The only way well ever figure it out is to keep throwing ourselves at the problem.


That's right, just because it can never happen, doesn't mean we should stop hoping. Like a religion.
 
2013-04-11 10:29:00 AM
ccinsider.comedycentral.com

" I like physics, but I love cartoons."

-actual Stephen Hawking quote

/been on Futurama many times, actually
 
2013-04-11 10:29:11 AM
Hawking predicted that in 500 years, Mars will have its own language, cuisine, etc. "....but you'll still be able to get a hamburger somewhere."
 
2013-04-11 10:41:47 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: That's right, just because it can never happen, doesn't mean we should stop hoping. Like a religion.



All attempts at artificial aviation are not only dangerous to human life, but foredoomed to failure from the engineering standpoint.- Engineering Editor, 'The Times,' 1906.

Rail travel at high speed is not possible because passengers, unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia. - Dr. Dionysus Lardner, 1830

You would make a ship sail against the winds and currents by lighting a bonfire under her deck...I have no time for such nonsense.- Napoleon, commenting on Fulton's Steamship.

What man-made machine will ever achieve the complete perfection of even the goose's wing?- Abbas Ibn Firnas, 852.


There have been naysayers against any sort of technology for centuries, basing their stance on what they thought to be the "ultimate truth" in science and technology for their time. What we currently know now does not accurately represent what what will know in the future.
 
2013-04-11 10:48:10 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I think going to a particular destination in space is kind of pointless.  Rather, we should be focusing on living in space itself, then we can go anywhere we want.  Once you have habitats outside the gravity well, you can do all kinds of things.


Agreed.

Xaneidolon: I may be naive, but wouldn't it be easier to re-terraform earth than to try to make another planet habitable?


1)  We don't *NEED* planets.

2)  It's not about the Earth becoming uninhabitable.  If we haven't made it to space by then we will probably be killed off by resource wars.

TuteTibiImperes: I have no doubt that when it comes down to it, we'll find a way to make life continue to work on earth. However, we should be experimenting with long-term extraterrestrial habitation to prepare for the future, and just because it's so cool.

What we could learn from setting up a permanent base on the moon we could use to set up a permanent base on Mars.  What we learn from living on Mars we could use to set up manned research stations on Jupiter's moons.

Eventually when we figure out FTL travel we'll be able to use what we already know to colonize planets in other solar systems.

Just because there is no practical way to do any of that yet doesn't mean we shouldn't be trying.  The only way well ever figure it out is to keep throwing ourselves at the problem.


It's by no means certain there is a means of FTL.  However, I don't believe it's a show-stopper.
 
2013-04-11 10:48:12 AM

RoxtarRyan: There have been naysayers against any sort of technology for centuries, basing their stance on what they thought to be the "ultimate truth" in science and technology for their time. What we currently know now does not accurately represent what what will know in the future.


But we do. Otherwise how could we build anything? And as for naysayers, there's only one solution, build whatever it is you are talking about. Your sad examples were all solved with early 20th century technology by people working with 19th century ideas, without even a complete periodic table or a real understanding of materials science.

We have all these things now. We *do* understand what we are doing.

And as for "ultimate truths", you guys are the ones with your religious certitudes about the species.
 
2013-04-11 10:50:12 AM

Xaneidolon: I may be naive, but wouldn't it be easier to re-terraform earth than to try to make another planet habitable?


All we have to do is find a planet that is already habitable. We're already lookiing, and have found a few potential candidates.
 
2013-04-11 10:54:12 AM
In the 1930s, people thought Venus was a lush jungle planet. How's that working out for ya?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_in_fiction

You guys have been poisoned by early 20th century enthusiams about space when people were still looking at blurry pictures of Venus and Mars, and people thought the universe was the galaxy.

Krafft Ehricke was wrong, it's that simple.

No one's going anywhere. We will survive just fine right here. Also, evolution is still happening, there was no human species a million years ago, there won't be one in another million.

Blip. You are all just temporary patterns in an array of atoms. You won't find eternal life in transcending this mud ball, sorry.

The future won't be selecting the tiles for your Mars condo, it will be figuring out if you have the energy to run the dishwasher once or twice this week.

It won't be a bigger and better consumer society with child (species) worship, but in space.

You, me, everyone you know, everyone you don't. Right here.
 
2013-04-11 10:56:44 AM
No logic can overcome people screaming "Deficit"

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2013-04-11 11:01:44 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: And as for "ultimate truths", you guys are the ones with your religious certitudes about the species.


You're doing an awful lot of projecting here. All I was saying is that you should understand that what you said, the whole "we do understand what we are doing" thing? Those people said the exact same thing. Everyone in the history or history has said that they know exactly what they are doing, and nothing else beyond that is comprehensible or can be accomplished.

But really, you sound pretty angry and pissed about something. You should probably go for a walk and get some fresh air, cause you are one angry, bitter person.
 
2013-04-11 11:06:02 AM
Humanity opted for suicide when it decided that "equal rights" were more important than "quality control."

RIP
 
2013-04-11 11:06:32 AM

RoxtarRyan: You're doing an awful lot of projecting here. All I was saying is that you should understand that what you said, the whole "we do understand what we are doing" thing? Those people said the exact same thing. Everyone in the history or history has said that they know exactly what they are doing, and nothing else beyond that is comprehensible or can be accomplished.


And it all it took was for someone to build it. I'm still waiting for my 1997 Japanese Space Hotel, or the 1970s OTRAG private space port. We understand our limits. We understand materials and energy sources. We understand what we can and cannot build. Why can't you?

People used to think we'd visit Venus, until we did. Then the narrative just shifted to other stars.

Why can't you see that all you have is a universal human story, not some actual feasible technology? It's a religion. Just admit that you have a religion.

Space won't save you. Only you and I and everyone else can, right here.

The Irresponsible Captain: No logic can overcome people screaming "Deficit"

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OK, you have all the money on Earth. Now what? What are you going to build?
 
2013-04-11 11:07:22 AM

Coolfusis: Citrate1007: Disease and Famine have kept us in check in the past when we've outgrown our petri dish.......why would anyone assume that it won't happen again.  Civilization may break down temporarily, but you have to have another dark age before you can have  a renaissance.

We're pretty much the only species to willfully go above our habitat's carrying capacity, largely because we can enter different ecosystems and take from them without ever fully leaving the ecosystem we already belong to. We are also the only species that can actively protect against new diseases without natural selection. Humans used to be kept in check by the natural limitations, but we're so fighting those limitations that we're actually dragging the planet down with us.

Seriously, look at the human population up until the industrial revolution. We had the normal logistical curve of populations until right about then.

We're either going to have to go quietly, or find some new place to scavenge resources.


No we aren't really that unique, but most animals like rats for instance will start to cannibalize each other when food and space becomes an issue.   So we've got that to look forward to.
 
2013-04-11 11:08:21 AM

Coolfusis: Citrate1007: Disease and Famine have kept us in check in the past when we've outgrown our petri dish.......why would anyone assume that it won't happen again.  Civilization may break down temporarily, but you have to have another dark age before you can have  a renaissance.

We're pretty much the only species to willfully go above our habitat's carrying capacity, largely because we can enter different ecosystems and take from them without ever fully leaving the ecosystem we already belong to. We are also the only species that can actively protect against new diseases without natural selection. Humans used to be kept in check by the natural limitations, but we're so fighting those limitations that we're actually dragging the planet down with us.

Seriously, look at the human population up until the industrial revolution. We had the normal logistical curve of populations until right about then.

We're either going to have to go quietly, or find some new place to scavenge resources.


The Black Plague begs to differ.
 
2013-04-11 11:11:53 AM
HotWingConspiracy:

I read that the Super Society of wealthy elite have already formulated plans to kill off all but around 300,000 people, so they can rule the planet with a legion of slaves to support them.

[citation needed]

And reducing our numbers to around 1.5 billion should be enough.


MyKingdomForYourHorse:

FirstNationalBastard: Does the universe really need this plague spread across it?

Fortunately for the rest of the Universe that's impossible, as is "FTL."

We might eventually have a space station or two in our solar system somewhere, but they'll be more on the order of scientific station like those in Antarctica and maybe mining bases.

And terraforming is a pipedream: the best we can hope for is less bulky spacesuits.


We must purge the unclean and heretical
For the Emperor!


No no no. We must reduce our population and improve its intelligence, for our own sake and for the rest of the planet.

But eventually the Sun will go wonky and expand, baking & incinerating our one possible planet and everything on it. By then our species might have long been extinct and/or evolved into a very different one, as whales evolved from something like hippos, and our continents will have moved around a few more times.  While these astronomical and geological events will happen anyway, our task is to ensure they don't happen to an Earth as lifeless and barren as Mars.
 
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