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(NBC News)   Social conservatives to RNC chairman Reince Priebus: We could leave the GOP. Seriously, we'd just walk out. We mean it. No, we really mean it. Why are you holding open the door, jackass, we're serious here? Stop pushing, man   (firstread.nbcnews.com) divider line 191
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2013-04-11 09:14:40 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Aarontology: The social conservatives won't abandon the GOP, and the GOP won't do a goddamned thing to push them out.

They'll just claim they're taking a more libertarian stance because RAND PAUL thinks people should serve a little less jail time for having weed.

Curious, where did the whole capitalization of RON and RAND PAUL originate from?


RON PAUL'S support has been characterized as "a mile deep but an inch wide." Meaning his followers love him, but he has little appeal to anyone other than them. The capitalization may have originated with actual Paulites showing enthusiastic support. Today, most people do it to poke fun at Paulite fanaticism.
 
2013-04-11 09:14:46 AM  
I'm enjoying watching the death of the Republican party.
 
2013-04-11 09:14:53 AM  
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2013-04-11 09:15:03 AM  
The Social Conservatives are no longer able to provide the votes that the GOP needs, and the GOP has never really delivered on their promise to fight for Conservative values.

Seems like a mutually unsatisfying relationship. I don't think this marriage can be saved.
 
2013-04-11 09:16:08 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The Dems are just watching and shaking their heads

masturbating furiously.

FTFY
 
2013-04-11 09:16:23 AM  

Vodka Zombie: I'm enjoying watching the death of the Republican party.


It's more like a risky lumpectomy procedure to remove a cancerous growth.  Could go either way at this point.
 
2013-04-11 09:18:50 AM  

bugontherug: Almost Everybody Poops: Aarontology: The social conservatives won't abandon the GOP, and the GOP won't do a goddamned thing to push them out.

They'll just claim they're taking a more libertarian stance because RAND PAUL thinks people should serve a little less jail time for having weed.

Curious, where did the whole capitalization of RON and RAND PAUL originate from?

RON PAUL'S support has been characterized as "a mile deep but an inch wide." Meaning his followers love him, but he has little appeal to anyone other than them. The capitalization may have originated with actual Paulites showing enthusiastic support. Today, most people do it to poke fun at Paulite fanaticism.


I do it to poke fun at a Paulite fanaticism.  In addition, I like to use DOCTOR Ron Paul as I've heard that Ron being a doctor lends credence to his views on a myriad of subjects.  I presume that these people don't know that many doctors personally.
 
2013-04-11 09:18:55 AM  
When they do, the GOP will be a force to be reckoned with.  Honestly, the conservative "greed is good" motto that gave us the '80s is waiting to happen again it is just that too many people fear the bible pounders' agenda to allow the GOP to take the wheel again.
 
2013-04-11 09:19:40 AM  

SpankyPinkbottom: The Social Conservatives are no longer able to provide the votes that the GOP needs, and the GOP has never really delivered on their promise to fight for Conservative values.

Seems like a mutually unsatisfying relationship. I don't think this marriage can be saved.


Even more interesting is this.  What if the GOP prostrates themselves before the social right at this point?  Do they damn themselves to decades of irrelevant decline to a slow death?

What was once a strength of the Republicans (the social conservatives would provide the votes, the fiscal "conservatives" would provide the money) is becoming a weakness.  If the social conservatives can't generate electoral victories the money will dry up and if the party caves to the social conservatives, in a few years, there won't be enough money in the world to win an election based on their ridiculous platform.
 
2013-04-11 09:21:23 AM  

Aarontology: The social conservatives won't abandon the GOP, and the GOP won't do a goddamned thing to push them out.

They'll just claim they're taking a more libertarian stance because RAND PAUL thinks people should serve a little less jail time for having weed.


I love watching all this saber rattling that will ultimately go nowhere. The GOP and the Retards need each other. To actually split would decimate an already wounded party wandering in the woods.

Smart people understand that if social conservatives create their own faction, Dems will win for at least 20 years. Neither the establishment nor the Tea People/Thumpers are going anywhere on their own.
 
2013-04-11 09:21:55 AM  

bugontherug: Oh how ADORABLE! Subby is a libertarian who thinks the GOP could exist without social conservatives!

We got a live one, fellas!


The GOP is only Fundies and Libertarians?

You know, I was a former Republican who ran away from the party BECAUSE of Fundies and Libertarians.  There are people in this country who don't hate gays, don't want to go back to The Articles of Confederation, believe in economic conservatism, small government and some degree of social freedom.  Its really awful that people like me are lumped in with the borderline bigoted actions of the "Religious Right" when I honestly would love to see them all thrown at the sun.

Democrats/Liberals, I get that the RNC has been HURR DURR for the last.....10-20 years.  I've seen it, I was paying attention too.  But like in a courtroom, politics in the US is an adversarial system and when the opposition party is an unorganized grabastic piece of amphibian shiat, it isn't helping anything.  If the RNC could piss off the fundies enough to make them leave, Republicans can actually be a viable choice and have some good ideas if the party didn't have a bunch of hooting idiots drowning everyone out.
 
2013-04-11 09:25:28 AM  

dickfreckle: Smart people understand that if social conservatives create their own faction, Dems will win for at least 20 years. Neither the establishment nor the Tea People/Thumpers are going anywhere on their own.


Don't forget though, if the GOP jettisons their nutjob wing, it'll be tough going at first, but eventually they can go to a more libertarian platform that (for some reason) seems to excite a large portion of the US to the state of giddy school girls.
 
2013-04-11 09:25:41 AM  
The conservatives additionally expressed their anger at what they said was an insinuation that they had treated gays and lesbians unkindly.
"The fact that the party is strongly committed to traditional marriage has not prevented their involvement through GOProud or Log Cabin Republicans," they wrote. "We deeply resent the insinuation that we have treated homosexuals unkindly personally."


Except for the part where the GOP didn't allow those groups to attend CPAC, but everything's cool otherwise.

Not feeling sympathy for the GOP at this point.  They created this mess.  They cultivated this mess.  They grew this mess.  It's too bad they grew virulent, poisonous kudzu.
 
2013-04-11 09:26:43 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I like to use DOCTOR Ron Paul as I've heard that Ron being a doctor lends credence to his views on myriad subjects.


Like economic theory.
 
2013-04-11 09:26:54 AM  

Jodeo: WHAT IF we replaced the two party system with something else?


You may be interested in what good 'ole New Zealand did...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-member_proportional_representatio n
 
2013-04-11 09:27:31 AM  

The Southern Logic Company: You know, I was a former Republican who ran away from the party BECAUSE of Fundies and Libertarians. There are people in this country who don't hate gays, don't want to go back to The Articles of Confederation, believe in economic conservatism, small government and some degree of social freedom. Its really awful that people like me are lumped in with the borderline bigoted actions of the "Religious Right" when I honestly would love to see them all thrown at the sun.

Democrats/Liberals, I get that the RNC has been HURR DURR for the last.....10-20 years. I've seen it, I was paying attention too. But like in a courtroom, politics in the US is an adversarial system and when the opposition party is an unorganized grabastic piece of amphibian shiat, it isn't helping anything. If the RNC could piss off the fundies enough to make them leave, Republicans can actually be a viable choice and have some good ideas if the party didn't have a bunch of hooting idiots drowning everyone out.


As much as that would be awesome, that's about as likely as everyone getting a unicorn
 
2013-04-11 09:28:59 AM  

Wooly Bully: Holding the line against same-sex marriage, the letter argues, would allow Republicans to make better inroads, for instance, into more traditionally-minded corners of the African American community.

Somewhere, buried deep within parts of the country we've long ignored, are hidden pockets of the valuable fuel our party needs to survive. Drill, baby, drill, for that sweet oil of bigotry!


It seems a tough ask to find AAs so bigoted against gays they don't mind voting for a party that is bigoted against themselves just to help hurt gay people.
 
2013-04-11 09:29:01 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Really, the Greens were dictating policies to the Democrats from 2000-2004? Please provide examples.


Their boy Howard Dean wasn't in office until 2005, where they lucked into a shiatty run of luck with Bush.  But instead of pushing for real liberals in 2006, they caved and voted for the Demopublicans in all these house seats. Seats they lost four years later because a real liberal would have had the balls to keep that seat.
 
2013-04-11 09:29:01 AM  

The Southern Logic Company: bugontherug: Oh how ADORABLE! Subby is a libertarian who thinks the GOP could exist without social conservatives!

We got a live one, fellas!

The GOP is only Fundies and Libertarians?

You know, I was a former Republican who ran away from the party BECAUSE of Fundies and Libertarians.  There are people in this country who don't hate gays, don't want to go back to The Articles of Confederation, believe in economic conservatism, small government and some degree of social freedom.  Its really awful that people like me are lumped in with the borderline bigoted actions of the "Religious Right" when I honestly would love to see them all thrown at the sun.

Democrats/Liberals, I get that the RNC has been HURR DURR for the last.....10-20 years.  I've seen it, I was paying attention too.  But like in a courtroom, politics in the US is an adversarial system and when the opposition party is an unorganized grabastic piece of amphibian shiat, it isn't helping anything.  If the RNC could piss off the fundies enough to make them leave, Republicans can actually be a viable choice and have some good ideas if the party didn't have a bunch of hooting idiots drowning everyone out.


FTFY.  They crossed that "border" long ago.
 
2013-04-11 09:29:34 AM  

The Southern Logic Company: The GOP is only Fundies and Libertarians?


At this point, the answer is pretty much Yes.

The Fundies and Libertarians have been successful in purging the other elements from the party. Those who haven't been actively purged have been forced to adopt the Fundie/Libertarian/Tea Party positions as a matter of self preservation.

Richard Lugar lost his primary this last cycle because he wasn't conservative enough. Think about that. There was a time when the Republicans might have been able to fight a successful battle to remove the Social Conservatives. That time is past.
 
2013-04-11 09:30:11 AM  
Outrageous Muff: No offense, but the Green Party is basically the democrats' Tea Party except they can't get elected. Plus they allowed W. into office.

Perhaps, but they want to overturn Citizens United, end the Drug War, get out of Middle East politics, scale down Homeland Security, regulate industries capable of disrupting our national and even world economy, and do away with the for-profit prison system. These are issues I care about. And frankly, I'm tired of politics being about gays, God and abortion. It's exhausting. But the Greens came down on the better side of those arguments for me too.  I cared about health care too, but then my health insurance costs and copays doubled overnight. So I figure voting for a third party devoted to issues I care about, rather than for the strongest party who pays them lip service in between "Greatest Nation on Earth" speeches,  is the ethical thing for me to do, even if a few W's get elected in the process.
 
2013-04-11 09:31:13 AM  

dickfreckle: I love watching all this saber rattling that will ultimately go nowhere. The GOP and the Retards need each other. To actually split would decimate an already wounded party wandering in the woods.

Smart people understand that if social conservatives create their own faction, Dems will win for at least 20 years. Neither the establishment nor the Tea People/Thumpers are going anywhere on their own.


Exactly. It's the very reason why the Tea Party isn't an actual political party, but a faction of the GOP.


Rapmaster2000: I do it to poke fun at a Paulite fanaticism. In addition, I like to use DOCTOR Ron Paul as I've heard that Ron being a doctor lends credence to his views on a myriad of subjects. I presume that these people don't know that many doctors personally.


My doctor is all the authority I need for my info on reforming Medicare. Or he was until he got busted for defrauding Medicare out of a couple hundred grand.
 
2013-04-11 09:31:20 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: DeltaPunch: You think this is some kind of joke, GOP? You think I'm playing around here? Well, you can just forget about me voting for anyone with an "R" after his name who wasn't astroturfed by the Koch bros. I'm being dead serious: I absolutely cannot and will not vote for anyone with an "R" after his name who wasn't astroturfed by the Koch bros. So, yeah.... better think twice on that.

Fun fact: Fred Koch, founder of Koch Industries, was also a co-founder of the John Birch Society.


As well as the Silver Brigades.
 
2013-04-11 09:32:35 AM  

Outrageous Muff: Philip Francis Queeg: Really, the Greens were dictating policies to the Democrats from 2000-2004? Please provide examples.

Their boy Howard Dean wasn't in office until 2005, where they lucked into a shiatty run of luck with Bush.  But instead of pushing for real liberals in 2006, they caved and voted for the Demopublicans in all these house seats. Seats they lost four years later because a real liberal would have had the balls to keep that seat.


So in other words the Greens had no power what so ever, unlike the Tea Party.
 
2013-04-11 09:34:44 AM  

The Southern Logic Company: The GOP is only Fundies and Libertarians?


"Only?" No. "Overwhelmingly?" Yes.

You know, I was a former Republican who ran away from the party BECAUSE of Fundies and Libertarians.

This really seems to support my thesis, more than it supports the thesis apparently implied by your opening rhetorical question.

If the RNC could piss off the fundies enough to make them leave, Republicans can actually be a viable choice and have some good ideas if the party didn't have a bunch of hooting idiots drowning everyone out.

If the GOP pissed off the fundies enough to make them leave, a few GOP moderates might come back to the fold. What you and subby don't understand though is that social conservatism exists specifically because the Ayn Rand agenda supported by the GOP's real base of corporatist billionaires is politically inviable.

Thus, they cultivated social conservatism to draw off support from otherwise massively Democratic constituencies. It is hard to believe today that the agriculturus was once regarded as a cornerstone of the New Deal coalition. There's reason why the Republican Party finds socialist Jesus in agricultural subsidies--well two. One is to keep rural white voters on their side, and the other is to appease big agribusiness.

This is what liberals mean when they refer to the kinds of social issues that motivate social conservatives as "wedge issues." They were fabricated to drive a wedge between the Democratic Party and its supporters. It worked very well, but now the GOP is dependent on social conservatives. They are nothing without them. They cannot and will not intentionally alienate them anytime soon.
 
2013-04-11 09:38:08 AM  

lolpix: Outrageous Muff: No offense, but the Green Party is basically the democrats' Tea Party except they can't get elected. Plus they allowed W. into office.

Perhaps, but they want to overturn Citizens United, end the Drug War, get out of Middle East politics, scale down Homeland Security, regulate industries capable of disrupting our national and even world economy, and do away with the for-profit prison system. These are issues I care about. And frankly, I'm tired of politics being about gays, God and abortion. It's exhausting. But the Greens came down on the better side of those arguments for me too.  I cared about health care too, but then my health insurance costs and copays doubled overnight. So I figure voting for a third party devoted to issues I care about, rather than for the strongest party who pays them lip service in between "Greatest Nation on Earth" speeches,  is the ethical thing for me to do, even if a few W's get elected in the process.


My mother told me I had a twin who went missing in my infancy.

Is it you?
 
2013-04-11 09:39:58 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Richard Lugar lost his primary this last cycle because he wasn't conservative enough. Think about that. There was a time when the Republicans might have been able to fight a successful battle to remove the Social Conservatives. That time is past.


I'm a libby libby liberal progressive and even I realize that Lugar was a decent politician and was responsible for removing thousands of nuclear weapons from this planet and most likely also helped to create legislation that slowed the proliferation of both traditional weapons but also nuclear weapons to other nations on this planet. And in that regard, I honestly really respected the man and could almost give him my vote.

So when the GOP decided it was time to go all Space Marine and purge the unclean I was honestly shocked when they kicked Lugar out.
  

Philip Francis Queeg: So in other words the Greens had no power what so ever, unlike the Tea Party.



They changed the overton window and pushed that third rail politic shiat that helped keep the dems in the wilderness for years. Thankfully we've grown a spine since then.
 
2013-04-11 09:40:57 AM  

lewismarktwo: populous


Is there no-one on Fark who can spell this word?

No-one who knows the difference between the adjective (populous) and the noun (populace)?

Seriously.  I have never, not once, seen it used correctly here.

It's like no-one cares to tow the line around here!
 
2013-04-11 09:41:14 AM  

boxster: Rapmaster2000: I like to use DOCTOR Ron Paul as I've heard that Ron being a doctor lends credence to his views on myriad subjects.

Like economic theory.


I listen to DOCTOR RON PAUL on economics right after I have Dr. Paul Krugman deliver my baby.
 
2013-04-11 09:46:27 AM  
The signatories to this week's letter were:

Gary Bauer, President, American Values
Paul Caprio, Director, Family-Pac Federal
Marjorie Dannenfelser, President, Susan B. Anthony List - QUE?!?
Dr. James Dobson, President and Founder, Family Talk Action
Andrea Lafferty, President, Traditional Values Coalition
Tom Minnery, Executive Director, CitizenLink
William J. Murray, Chairman, Religious Freedom Coalition
Tony Perkins, President, Family Research Council
Sandy Rios, VP of Government Affairs, Family-Pac Federal
Austin Ruse, President, Catholic Family & Human Rights Institute
Phyllis Schlafly, President, Eagle ForumRev.
Louis P. Sheldon, Founder, Traditional Values Coalition
Tim Wildmon, President, American Family Association


......one would think Susan B Anthony would be for gay rights.
 
2013-04-11 09:48:29 AM  
"We respectfully warn GOP Leadership that an abandonment of its principles will necessarily result in the abandonment of our constituents to their support,"
-FTA

Trying to save a group by placing principles ahead of its survival is probably the wrong approach.

//That said, you could be treating the "principle" as if it was the "group".
 
2013-04-11 09:51:22 AM  
Thats a pretty good list of the biggest Pieces of Shiat in America.
 
2013-04-11 09:51:38 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: So in other words the Greens had no power what so ever, unlike the Tea Party.


No, I'm saying they wasted it on the party candidates instead of pushing their own, better candidates like the Tea Party did. Real liberals would have kept those seats.
 
2013-04-11 09:53:01 AM  

Citrate1007: When they do, the GOP will be a force to be reckoned with.  Honestly, the conservative "greed is good" motto that gave us the '80s is waiting to happen again it is just that too many people fear the bible pounders' agenda to allow the GOP to take the wheel again.


Social conservatives may have a skewed veiw of morality, but Randians have none at all.  Without the social conservatives, the Republicans would just be money grubbing sociopaths.  I think that is much more terrifying.

Even if the party splits and Democrats win most elections for a few decades, it won't matter.  For some reason, conservatives set the policy conversation in this country, regardless if they are in power or not.  Whoever "wins" the GOP civil war is going to set the country's agenda.
 
2013-04-11 09:53:29 AM  

SuperNinjaToad: ......one would think Susan B Anthony would be for gay rights.


The SBA List's primary stated purpose is to get pro-life women elected.  Go figure.
 
2013-04-11 09:55:06 AM  

Outrageous Muff: Philip Francis Queeg: So in other words the Greens had no power what so ever, unlike the Tea Party.

No, I'm saying they wasted it on the party candidates instead of pushing their own, better candidates like the Tea Party did. Real liberals would have kept those seats.


The Tea Party candidates are better candidates? Are you farking joking?
 
2013-04-11 09:58:57 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: The Tea Party candidates are better candidates? Are you farking joking?


To their base they are.  Instead of electing pussy moderates in the primary like the democrats did, the Tea Party elected strong willed candidates.  Liberals need to elected strong willed candidates instead of a cowardly LINOs they do.
 
2013-04-11 10:00:43 AM  

dickfreckle: My mother told me I had a twin who went missing in my infancy.

Is it you?


I'm not sure. I'll ask mom.
 
2013-04-11 10:01:24 AM  

Outrageous Muff: Philip Francis Queeg: The Tea Party candidates are better candidates? Are you farking joking?

To their base they are.  Instead of electing pussy moderates in the primary like the democrats did, the Tea Party elected strong willed candidates.  Liberals need to elected strong willed candidates instead of a cowardly LINOs they do.


Strong willed candidates that got destroyed in the general election and ensured that the Democrats retained control of the Senate.
 
2013-04-11 10:03:14 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Strong willed candidates that got destroyed in the general election and ensured that the Democrats retained control of the Senate.


I'm not talking about the Senate. I'm talking about the House, where dozens of Tea Party candidates won over the democratic candidate.
 
2013-04-11 10:03:56 AM  

Outrageous Muff: To their base they are. Instead of electing pussy moderates in the primary like the democrats did, the Tea Party elected strong willed candidates. Liberals need to elected strong willed candidates instead of a cowardly LINOs they do.


Yes because purging moderates always does the party well
 
2013-04-11 10:05:10 AM  

Jodeo: WHAT IF we replaced the two party system with something else? One idea is, given 10 or 15 key issues or values, candidates declare where they stand and enter the race. Instead of evaluating the candidate partly on party, you evaluate them on what they stand for.


You can't replace the two-party system on its own. You have to change the voting system: if every seat in Congress is elected by plurality vote, with one seat per district, then you're practically guaranteed two macro-parties.
 
2013-04-11 10:05:44 AM  

Outrageous Muff: Philip Francis Queeg: Strong willed candidates that got destroyed in the general election and ensured that the Democrats retained control of the Senate.

I'm not talking about the Senate. I'm talking about the House, where dozens of Tea Party candidates won over the democratic candidate.


The same house where many of those same Congressmen lost their seats in the next election when their constituents realized how utterly bat shiat crazy they were?

Is Alan West really the model of candidate you want?
 
2013-04-11 10:06:06 AM  

Outrageous Muff: the Tea Party elected strong willed candidates.


LMAO!
 
2013-04-11 10:06:21 AM  
bugontherug:
If the GOP pissed off the fundies enough to make them leave, a few GOP moderates might come back to the fold. What you and subby don't understand though is that social conservatism exists specifically because the Ayn Rand agenda supported by the GOP's real base of corporatist billionaires is politically inviable.

Thus, they cultivated social conservatism to draw off support from otherwise massively Democratic constituencies. It is hard to believe today that the agriculturus was once regarded as a cornerstone of the New Deal coalition. There's reason why the Republican Party finds socialist Jesus in agricultural subsidies--well two. One is to keep rural white voters on their side, and the other is to appease big agribusiness.

This is what liberals mean when they refer to the kinds of social issues that motivate social conservatives as "wedge issues." They were fabricated to drive a wedge between the Democratic Party and its supporters. It worked very well, but now the GOP is dependent on social conservatives. They are nothing without them. They cannot and will not intentionally alienate them anytime soon.


Honestly, I haven't voted for the past four elections.  I would love a party that represents my views but given the way politics is structured in this country, I only have two options.  Should I just give up on the idea of a viable 2nd party and vote Democrat or continue not voting?  The Democratic party doesn't support my views, I can't in good conscience vote for them.  There is a large population of "Right-Wingers" that aren't libertarians or fundies, if anything they outnumber the libertarians and fundies.  Like you mentioned, the party has been hijacked by people with money and irrationally strong beliefs.  If the Democratic party was hijacked by an Alex Jones type character with a lot of money, wouldn't you fight and support a return to what the party used to be about?

There was a time when the party wasn't borderline bigoted[1] and backwards.  There was a time that people didn't sneer at you when you identified as a Republican.  No one else but the RNC is to blame for that change, but I want to go back to that.

[1]- I say borderline bigoted because I think its quite harsh to paint an entire party with the opinions of a few crazy ass members.  I know its easy to point and laugh at the Huffington Post article about the next dumb thing a Republican said (I do it too) but the entire party isn't this way.
 
2013-04-11 10:08:46 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: People are constantly evaluating political news with a Dem vs Rep slant.  These days, the far more important battles are within the GOP itself.  Everybody in the party has their knives out, and they're all pointed at each other.  Boner hates Cantor, everybody hates McConnell, etc.  The Tea Party wants control of the GOP, that's where the big fight is.  The Dems are just watching and shaking their heads grabbing the next handful of popcorn to eat.


FTFY.
 
2013-04-11 10:09:33 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: The same house where many of those same Congressmen lost their seats in the next election when their constituents realized how utterly bat shiat crazy they were?

Is Alan West really the model of candidate you want?


At least Alan West was forceful, a coward and a war criminal, but forceful. Nancy Pelosi is nothing more than a corporate puppet.
 
2013-04-11 10:10:16 AM  

dickfreckle: Smart people understand that if social conservatives create their own faction, Dems will win for at least 20 years.


The reality of political parties has never worked like that.

The Whigs blew apart in 1856. By all rights, that should have meant the Democrats would run things well into the next century. Except the Republican party formed from the remnants of that and of disaffected Democrats. They would win 10 of the next 12 elections -- and both Democrat wins were Grover Cleveland.

Power vacuums fill quickly in a two-party system. If the present form of the Republican party implodes, something new will take up the mantle, and likely reshuffle somewhat from various factions of the Democrats -- who are far from a monolithic entity themselves. A simple refocus onto fiscal conservatism alone would likely break up the rural-urban split that defines the present relationship.
 
2013-04-11 10:12:24 AM  

Outrageous Muff: Philip Francis Queeg: The same house where many of those same Congressmen lost their seats in the next election when their constituents realized how utterly bat shiat crazy they were?

Is Alan West really the model of candidate you want?

At least Alan West was forceful, a coward and a war criminal, but forceful. Nancy Pelosi is nothing more than a corporate puppet.


I'm sure you will take it as a compliment when I tell you that you are as stupid, shortsighted and counterproductive as a Tea Party member.
 
2013-04-11 10:12:32 AM  

SuperNinjaToad: The signatories to this week's letter were:

Gary Bauer, President, American Values
Paul Caprio, Director, Family-Pac Federal
Marjorie Dannenfelser, President, Susan B. Anthony List - QUE?!?
Dr. James Dobson, President and Founder, Family Talk Action
Andrea Lafferty, President, Traditional Values Coalition
Tom Minnery, Executive Director, CitizenLink
William J. Murray, Chairman, Religious Freedom Coalition
Tony Perkins, President, Family Research Council
Sandy Rios, VP of Government Affairs, Family-Pac Federal
Austin Ruse, President, Catholic Family & Human Rights Institute
Phyllis Schlafly, President, Eagle ForumRev.
Louis P. Sheldon, Founder, Traditional Values Coalition
Tim Wildmon, President, American Family Association

......one would think Susan B Anthony would be for gay rights.


Susan B. Anthony was brought up a Quaker.  I'm sure she would be all for that. Not saying she would be right mind ya, I have no issues if 2 people want to get married and you know be happy and protected under the laws of our land but to make statements that a Victorian era Quaker would approve is kinda pushing it.
 
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