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2013-04-11 11:37:10 AM

dv-ous: ... I suspect if more people were stoners, the world would be a better place. Keep on keepin' on.


QFT.
 
2013-04-11 11:37:46 AM

mama2tnt: but when the teeth come in, isn't that nature's way of saying, "Hey! Feed me REAL food now!"?


You'd think, but hormones don't think.
 
2013-04-11 11:38:09 AM
AgentBang:
...
The lactation consultant we saw said that we needed
...


What a coincidence!  I'm going back to school for Lactation Consulting - I think I have a real passion for it.
 
2013-04-11 11:38:50 AM

H31N0US: Nothing wrong with a little formula. Contrary to popular belief, a newborn baby does not always latch and eat. My brother and I were bottle fed. I have asthma, he does not.

My daughter was breast fed about 75-80%. Knock wood but she's had the sniffles about twice in 2.5 years.

Of course that will change next winter when she is in school.


How much of that 2.5 years was she in some sort of day care?
 
2013-04-11 11:38:57 AM

theorellior: mama2tnt: but when the teeth come in, isn't that nature's way of saying, "Hey! Feed me REAL food now!"?

You'd think, but hormones don't think.


I just shot milk out my nose
 
2013-04-11 11:40:54 AM
Twins? No wonder she uses the bottle. Her poor nipples must be so, so sore. She should be glad they don't have a full set of teeth yet.
 
2013-04-11 11:41:17 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: I just shot milk out my nose


I hope that was breast milk and not formula, bub.
 
2013-04-11 11:45:17 AM
I expected more MILF pics in this thread
 
2013-04-11 11:45:26 AM
Breastapo?

"Show zem ve have vays of making zem talk." "Heil Titler!"

/jawohl, mein boobenführer
 
2013-04-11 11:46:18 AM
my daughter is a little over nine months old.  when we had her - i had pushed my wife to breast feed.  my wife was against it at first - more of a modesty/"don't think i can do that" kind of thing but she agreed to try.  the kid latched on fine and no problems with that, but unfortunately my wife's milk just never came in.  my daughter would breast feed, but would still be hungry after she was done and she kept losing weight.  after we talked to a lactation nurse, we decided to just move to formula.  my wife was devastated thinking that she failed as a mother, but we found out that sometimes these things just happen.

while i agree that breast milk is better, i'm waiting for a "breast milk nazi" to say something to us about bottle feeding my daughter.  rather bottle feed the kid than have her starve.
 
2013-04-11 11:47:32 AM

fireclown: [cdn.fearnet.com image 288x433]
Did someone order a Breastapo?


Finally!
 
2013-04-11 11:48:39 AM

bdub77: I would just beat those La Leche League Milk Mafia types to death with my formula bottle.


Those biatches are evil.
 
2013-04-11 11:50:42 AM

Rev.K: Altair: Could someone explain this nonsense to a 30 yr old stoner with no kids?  Please don't make me Google breast feeding news.

There are people who advocate breastfeeding at any cost, despite the numerous problems that can occur with breastfeeding like not producing enough milk to feed your baby, problems with latching, etc.

Add to that the stress and sleep deprivation of a newborn and bottle feeding is simply what some parents have to do to get by.

The "Breastapo" as it were, looks down on and vilifies these people as bad parents or lazy or both.

/2 kids


I have a question as a non-parent, is there a way for Dad to pick up the baby and attach baby to boob while Mom naps/half-sleeps?

My hubby and joke about it because he's a light sleeper and I'm not. When we have kids we plan to keep the crib right next to us so we don't have to get out of bed at night.

/Genuinely curious.
 
2013-04-11 11:51:08 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Breastapo?

"Show zem ve have vays of making zem talk." "Heil Titler!"

/jawohl, mein boobenführer


Apologies in advance, but I'm stealing "Heil Titler" for the next breastfeeding story I stumble across.
 
2013-04-11 11:52:13 AM

mama2tnt: theorellior:  but when the teeth come in, isn't that nature's way of saying, "Hey! Feed me REAL food now!"?


Yes, which is why most people start solid foods in addition to breastmilk/formula around then. But babies aren't capable of getting enough calories just through solid foods until later. And the consistency of breastmilk doesn't stay the same over time... it becomes more watery as the baby gets older. Babies need water in addition to nutrients, but giving them just water before they're a year risks water intoxication. It's not like people who use formula stop at six months when the baby gets teeth either.

Most kids bite once after they get teeth, get startled by the reaction and then don't do it again. My kiddo did that around six months like normal. Then around 15 months she wanted to wean so she started biting AND trying to grab for a milk bottle so I knew it was time. Fine by me.
 
2013-04-11 11:52:45 AM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: God Is My Co-Pirate: I'd just like to take this moment to give a special "fark you" to the old crone who came up to me while I was with my daughter in a café and hissed, "I hope that's breast milk in that bottle."

Nothing like having a baby in hand to make strangers feel entitled to biatch at you for any and every choice.

My sister was breastfeeding in the lounge in the women's restroom in Nordstrom's and someone chewed her out for not doing that in private.  As if being in a women's restroom isn't enough, you need to lock yourself in a stall lest you give a nasty old lady any excuse to snipe.

Nasty people don't need a real reason, they just look for the soft targets.



QFT on this, too.
 
2013-04-11 11:54:22 AM
Breastapo? Is this Godwinned before the Boobies?
 
2013-04-11 11:54:58 AM

mesmer242: mama2tnt: theorellior:  but when the teeth come in, isn't that nature's way of saying, "Hey! Feed me REAL food now!"?

Yes, which is why most people start solid foods in addition to breastmilk/formula around then. But babies aren't capable of getting enough calories just through solid foods until later. And the consistency of breastmilk doesn't stay the same over time... it becomes more watery as the baby gets older. Babies need water in addition to nutrients, but giving them just water before they're a year risks water intoxication. It's not like people who use formula stop at six months when the baby gets teeth either.

Most kids bite once after they get teeth, get startled by the reaction and then don't do it again. My kiddo did that around six months like normal. Then around 15 months she wanted to wean so she started biting AND trying to grab for a milk bottle so I knew it was time. Fine by me.


After my babbys got teeth, I just started throwing raw meat between the bars of their cage. That seemed to work.
 
2013-04-11 11:55:48 AM

shortymac: I have a question as a non-parent, is there a way for Dad to pick up the baby and attach baby to boob while Mom naps/half-sleeps?


You can do that, but dad is going to have to get things going first. It's kind of like trying to get gas out of a tank.
 
2013-04-11 11:55:50 AM
Breastapo My new band name.
 
2013-04-11 11:56:44 AM

Rik01: Of course, the majority of the formula of the time was made in the USA. Nothing came in from China. We didn't know the Chinese manufacturers would basically dump in anything laying around as cost cutting fillers and then lie about it.


You didn't know the Americans did, either.  Formula is "fine" and certainly won't kill the kid; it's food.  But if the kid grows up healthy -- and mind you, plenty of kids did -- that's more credit to evolution than anything in the formula.  I'm sure mothers in the past tried to feed their kids in other ways if they couldn't make milk, so there was some pressure there for infants to adapt.  I don't know if infants are specifically tolerant or intolerant of foods other than milk, but the same organs humans use to digest solid foods are there from the start, so it's mostly just a nutritional balance issue.

The main scandal with formula is that it was a thoroughly corrupt and compromised clusterfark from the start.  The stuff may have been benign, but physicians abandoned all reason and sold an entire generation on what was a very expensive and inferior alternative to, well, free baby food.  Furthermore, while you're OK if you buy decent stuff and check the ingredients, some formulas are basically white Pepsi with some vitamins added.  That shiat's addictive enough that it can cause the baby to refuse breast milk if supplemented, and the formula companies had no incentive to discourage that.  These companies really didn't have the kid's best interest in mind.  So some of this is probably out of spite -- people feel the formula makers can't be trusted.  Well, they shouldn't ever be, but the real solution that isn't some single-minded abandonment of formula -- as others have stated, some mothers can't make enough milk or any milk at all -- but simple vigilance.  I'm not defending the "Breastapo" per se, but as a result there's immense market pressure on formula manufacturers to match the quality of breast milk as closely as possible, and that's not a bad thing for the people buying formula.
 
2013-04-11 11:57:23 AM
There's really one time when breast milk is HUGELY better than good formula, and that's the kid's first feeding when the colostrom is in. Once your kid gets that, yes, you will still provide some extra benefits by breastfeeding, but formula with DHA and ARA in it is going to get the job done as well.
 
2013-04-11 12:00:17 PM
Those people really do need a good punch in the face once in a while. If only they could expend so much effort on something that really mattered.
 
2013-04-11 12:00:22 PM

Rude Turnip: Cybernetic: what_now: When I was in a Wal Mart in Central Florida (let that sink in for a while) a woman with three filthy children started talking to me. My friend, who was one of those "Awww...babies" types, asked how old the littlest one was. Answer. 8 months. I asked what was in the bottle. Answer: root beer.

So you know. Worse thinks that formula

Just out of curiosity, do you remember where the Walmart was?

/Central Floridian.

It could be every Walmart simultaneously.


You'd be surprised. Central Florida has some very distinct stratification in the customers that you find at the various Walmarts.

The ones in the "attractions area" (i.e. Disney) are stuffed full of British tourists. The one on SR 50 by UCF is crammed with college students even at 3:00 AM. The one in Doctor Phillips has a slightly more upscale residential clientele along with timeshare owners. In Lake County there's a mix of rural farmer and suburban commuter; Brevard County (out towards Kennedy Space Center) has lots of toothless rednecks and tweakers.

/Yes, I've lived (and worked) in a bunch of places
//And been in a bunch of Walmarts
 
2013-04-11 12:00:43 PM

mama2tnt: mesmer242: mama2tnt: theorellior:  but when the teeth come in, isn't that nature's way of saying, "Hey! Feed me REAL food now!"?

Yes, which is why most people start solid foods in addition to breastmilk/formula around then. But babies aren't capable of getting enough calories just through solid foods until later. And the consistency of breastmilk doesn't stay the same over time... it becomes more watery as the baby gets older. Babies need water in addition to nutrients, but giving them just water before they're a year risks water intoxication. It's not like people who use formula stop at six months when the baby gets teeth either.

Most kids bite once after they get teeth, get startled by the reaction and then don't do it again. My kiddo did that around six months like normal. Then around 15 months she wanted to wean so she started biting AND trying to grab for a milk bottle so I knew it was time. Fine by me.

After my babbys got teeth, I just started throwing raw meat between the bars of their cage. That seemed to work.


Your kids are extra talented! Mine just thought foods were face paint and hair gel.
 
2013-04-11 12:02:50 PM
My twins were born @ 27 weeks. I nearly died from the same complication that led to their early birth. There was no way I can make enough for two when I had beeen so ill. The babies had to go to a level IV NICU immediately. The hospital where I gave birth is super friendly to breastfeeding, even brought me a breastpump at the bedside and had a lactation consultant show me what to do right away. The hospital's lactation consultants and lactation nurses gave me plenty of advice on increasing my supply, but they all said that given my complication, all I can do is...all I can do. The NICU actually adds formula powder to the breastmilk before giving it to the babies because preemies need more than just the milk - they need the minerals and proteins that they would have been taking from the placenta if they were still gestating, and while nutritious, breastmilk doesn't provide enough of those. The babies are now on a combination of breastmilk and formula milk. The NICU even gave me a metric bucketload of formula to take home. The important thing is to feed the babies, not for mommy to feel superior.
 
2013-04-11 12:03:21 PM
Came for the snark about misusing "supplementing" in the headline.
Stayed for the CSB and pix.

/makes it all worthwhile
//despite the disappointment.
///and a bookmark
 
2013-04-11 12:03:23 PM
The nurse at the hospital treat like a second class citizen for asking for formula.

By the time my wife had our second we just told them to GTFO and GBTW.
 
2013-04-11 12:03:27 PM
Could've written TFA myself.  My twins came 5 weeks early.  The hospital had NO breast pumps and it took 4 days for the hospital lactation consultant to even get to see me.  Still had problems when I got home and the lactation consultant who came berated me for using a burp rag.  Even the last consultant (who was wonderful) couldn't help when the twins got reflux at 6 weeks and just SCREAMED like a Nazgul on repeat when I fed them.  40 minutes of sleep at time for a week and postpartum depression on top of this means one giant clusterfark.

The day I stopped BFing, switched to sensitive stomach formula and gave them their prescription reflux meds is the day my kids started getting happier and healthier.

And yes, the author of the TFA is a hero.  I've been in her situation and it was one of the worst in my life.  Using mainstream media to tell bullies to back the fark off when your own brain is telling you're a horrible mother involves one metric arseload of heroism.

Baby feeding is not a battleground; what matters is that the baby gets fed. Breast feeding bullies need to STFU.

/steps off soapbox
 
2013-04-11 12:03:59 PM

shortymac: I have a question as a non-parent, is there a way for Dad to pick up the baby and attach baby to boob while Mom naps/half-sleeps?

My hubby and joke about it because he's a light sleeper and I'm not. When we have kids we plan to keep the crib right next to us so we don't have to get out of bed at night.


At night I invariably did the nappy changes, then plugged the kid into the mothership to refuel. Well, didn't exactly plug him in - I put him in the right position and she did the final adjustments. She barely had to wake up, though and they would both fall asleep during the feed.

Of course your kid or your partner's geometry may be different.
 
2013-04-11 12:04:14 PM
Having dealt with the Breastapo via our local branch of the La Leche League, I completely sympathize with this woman. I was made to feel as though I was a bad mother because I was unable to breastfeed due to an inherited condition that caused me, my sister, mother, materal grandmother, etc. to completely stop producing breast milk.

Was I supposed to allow my baby to be hungry and lose weight? I had hoped that the condition would skip me, but it didn't. . I was already crying my eyes out that I couldn't breastfeed & those harpies from the LLL made me feel as though I were the worst mother in the world.
 
2013-04-11 12:08:27 PM
Those are the same types of people who honestly believe that there are two different growth charts for babies depending on whether or not they are breastfed, and that doctors honestly want to hide the breastfed chart from mothers.

/unfortunately, I am related to one of them
//and I feel really, really bad for her poor kids
 
2013-04-11 12:08:31 PM
After the birth,

YOU HAD ONE JOB
 
2013-04-11 12:08:42 PM

dragonchild: Rik01: Of course, the majority of the formula of the time was made in the USA. Nothing came in from China. We didn't know the Chinese manufacturers would basically dump in anything laying around as cost cutting fillers and then lie about it.

You didn't know the Americans did, either.  Formula is "fine" and certainly won't kill the kid; it's food.  But if the kid grows up healthy -- and mind you, plenty of kids did -- that's more credit to evolution than anything in the formula.  I'm sure mothers in the past tried to feed their kids in other ways if they couldn't make milk, so there was some pressure there for infants to adapt.  I don't know if infants are specifically tolerant or intolerant of foods other than milk, but the same organs humans use to digest solid foods are there from the start, so it's mostly just a nutritional balance issue.

The main scandal with formula is that it was a thoroughly corrupt and compromised clusterfark from the start.  The stuff may have been benign, but physicians abandoned all reason and sold an entire generation on what was a very expensive and inferior alternative to, well, free baby food.  Furthermore, while you're OK if you buy decent stuff and check the ingredients, some formulas are basically white Pepsi with some vitamins added.  That shiat's addictive enough that it can cause the baby to refuse breast milk if supplemented, and the formula companies had no incentive to discourage that.  These companies really didn't have the kid's best interest in mind.  So some of this is probably out of spite -- people feel the formula makers can't be trusted.  Well, they shouldn't ever be, but the real solution that isn't some single-minded abandonment of formula -- as others have stated, some mothers can't make enough milk or any milk at all -- but simple vigilance.  I'm not defending the "Breastapo" per se, but as a result there's immense market pressure on formula manufacturers to match the quality of breast milk as closely as possibl ...


You know, it makes me wonder why wet-nurses haven't come back in style yet amongst the Yuppie types or buying frozen breast milk from friends.

Hmmmmmm.

/Off to start a business
 
2013-04-11 12:12:11 PM

Bathia_Mapes: I was already crying my eyes out that I couldn't breastfeed & those harpies from the LLL made me feel as though I were the worst mother in the world.


:( I'll punch them in the throat for you....
 
2013-04-11 12:14:47 PM

orbister: It beats me why anyone who could breast feed would chose formula. Breast is free and there's no faffing about with sterilisation, carrying stuff around, getting supplies and so on. That said, there are lots of perfectly good reasons for not being able to breast feed, and in those cases you're hardly going to let the kid starve to death.


Because maybe some people who can breastfeed just plain don't want to.  It literally has zero effect on you either way.
 
2013-04-11 12:14:48 PM

sxacho: bdub77: I would just beat those La Leche League Milk Mafia types to death with my formula bottle.

Those biatches are evil.


The Lactation Mafia?  Yup.  For some reason no one has pointed out to them that it probably isn't the best idea to lay guilt trips on new mothers when their hormones are all over the place.  I wonder how much of their propaganda added some some new mom's post-partum depression?

Sure breast milk is great and free.  If you have trouble breastfeeding, pumping may work.  If not, formula was invented for that very reason.

/LLL motto must be: "I had a kid, therefore I am an expert on all child rearing!"
//Sis-in-law works as an ER pediatrician and pretty much ignores the myth of nipple confusion - if the kid is hungry, they figure it out really quick.
 
2013-04-11 12:16:47 PM
I've never encountered so many people coming up being all self-righteous about something. It doesn't matter where my wife is in public, someone has to come up and make sure she's breastfeeding. So far the best initial phrase we can come up with is she's "medically incapable of breastfeeding". Even then most scoff at such a statement, remain all opinionated, talk down, accuse her of giving up, and some even claim that it's possible for the milk to come back after months of it being dried up. Then my wife has to explain she had the worse case of gallstones and pancreatitus one can get, spent two weeks in the hospital, explain the excruciating pain that the strongest medicine was only able to curb the edge, and how her body stopped producing milk due to the stress after a valiant effort. Some of these tools finally get a clue and turn all sympathetic. Others must inquire further and verify she's did everything she could because BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, stuff we already know from the breastfeeding classes before the birth. Some of these biatches haven't even had kids and others don't understand completely the level of pain even after she tells them it was worse than childbirth.

A simple minding our own business out in public is interrupted into the Spanish Inquisition. My wife is getting to the point where she may start snapping at people that start this BS or in the least telling them it's none of their business. The kid is perfectly healthy on formula and weighs appropriately for her height according to the pediatrician. The doc is also impressed with how fast she is developing and I attribute that to our better parenting over the IBTC's derps or hellions.

Keep your self-righteous opinions to yourself. This is the South where everyone talks behind everyone else's backs and would never say such things directly; why don't we continue this tradition as it's less stressful for us. If that doesn't work for you, don't be offended when you're told to STFU. Perhaps we just need to start with "I'm sorry, but we're tired of the constant Spanish Inquisition on whether the little one is breastfed. We know breast milk is better than formula. It's none of your business so please leave us alone".
 
2013-04-11 12:17:23 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Those are the same types of people who honestly believe that there are two different growth charts for babies depending on whether or not they are breastfed, and that doctors honestly want to hide the breastfed chart from mothers.


There are two different growth charts for babies, depending on whether or not they are breastfed. Breastfed babies don't gain as quickly as first, but catch up pretty quickly. When you have a kid in the UK, the NHS gives you a folder of record sheets and charts, including a weight chart. A few years ago they changed to the breast-fed chart as standard, because they thought too many mothers were giving up as a result of thinking that things were going wrong because their babies looked underweight on the chart.

I've just looked at the kid's, which was pre change, and he does indeed dip well down the percentiles for a few weeks before head up again.
 
2013-04-11 12:17:27 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: I'd just like to take this moment to give a special "fark you" to the old crone who came up to me while I was with my daughter in a café and hissed, "I hope that's breast milk in that bottle."


The proper retort is, "I hope that's organic sand in your vagina."
 
2013-04-11 12:17:32 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Bathia_Mapes: I was already crying my eyes out that I couldn't breastfeed & those harpies from the LLL made me feel as though I were the worst mother in the world.

:( I'll punch them in the throat for you....


And I will hold them while CapeFearCadaver throat punches them.

LLL never even called me back.  At the time I was pissed.  Now I am glad.
 
2013-04-11 12:19:21 PM

mesmer242: Rev.K: Altair: Could someone explain this nonsense to a 30 yr old stoner with no kids?  Please don't make me Google breast feeding news.

There are people who advocate breastfeeding at any cost, despite the numerous problems that can occur with breastfeeding like not producing enough milk to feed your baby, problems with latching, etc.

Add to that the stress and sleep deprivation of a newborn and bottle feeding is simply what some parents have to do to get by.

The "Breastapo" as it were, looks down on and vilifies these people as bad parents or lazy or both.

/2 kids

For what it's worth, I saw two different lactation consultants after my first was born and neither was anti-formula in my situation (I was eventually able to breastfeed anyway but formula was needed in the interim). It's not usually the experts who are the breastapo - it's ignorant people with no sense of compassion for others.

What was the article talking about with the whole shortage thing? Is this something that's going to start happening in the US?


Kiddo #3 just turned 7 weeks old.  She has had way more breastmilk than the first two.  For whatever reason, my wife just didn't produce enough with kid #1.  Looking back, she should have visited the breast feeding clinic (there is actually a breast feeding clinic at our local hospital) more often.  It has done wonders for baby #3.  However, with #1, our pediatrician finally told us that we needed to supplement with formula.  His biggest problem was that he never ate enough to stimulate more production.  Even when he was on formula, it seemed like he was never able to eat more than 2 ounces at a time (and he was and is a big kid for his age).  Eventually, he was on all formula until he started on solids.  He is a great kid that is well adjusted for the most part and is very healthy.  It would have been nicer for him to breastfeed more just because of the cost and the other benefits, but it didn't happen.

#2 wasn't as bad, but my wife still had problems.  At some point when you have a screaming baby, a crying wife, and a 2 year old sleeping another room that is going to be up at the crack of dawn, you have to choose sanity.     Sometimes, formula is that sanity.  Even if it is one bottle a day.

Like I said, #3 has been much better with breast feeding.  The only problem is that some days, she is attached to my wife every couple of hours.  I do give her a bottle a couple of times a week before bed, but it doesn't happen all that often.  I will say on a positive note that we bought a case of liquid formula from Sam's Club when she was a couple of weeks old and we haven't used it all yet.

All that said, the lactation nurse at the clinic has never made my wife feel bad for supplementing.  In fact, she has said several times that "you gotta do what you gotta do".  It is the activist types from La Leche League that make you feel bad about formula.  By all means, if you can breast feed, please do it.  If it affects your family life and your wife is going insane from cluster feeding or whatever, just supplement from time to time.
 
2013-04-11 12:19:47 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Because maybe some people who can breastfeed just plain don't want to.


Indeed, and while I'm not convinced about "zero effects" (that's a testable claim) it doesn't seem to make any long term health difference. Having seen the bother that bottle feeders have to go to, I'm surprised that anyone would do it unnecessarily, but that's their choice and not my business.
 
2013-04-11 12:20:37 PM

doubled99: After the birth,

YOU HAD ONE JOB


And yet it's none of your business HOW she chooses to get it done.
 
2013-04-11 12:21:10 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: I almost throat punched the woman who came up when our son was born and threw down the guilt gauntlet to my wife for using formula.

Yes lady, my wife takes medication for her mental health and without that medication she might pose a danger to herself and others but because proven science on formula must be bunk she should threaten the health of herself and baby just to give my son breast milk.

Douche


I don't know what science you're thinking of, the consensus seems to be that under ideal circumstances formula is not as good, but good enough. However under non-ideal circumstances it can be quite fatal. Nestle got in quite a bit of trouble due to infant deaths in the third world. Turns out if you make formula with tainted water it kills kids, a problem breast milk doesn't have. Also there have been nonzero deaths associated with formula that contained harmful bacteria that was introduced during manufacture. It is still the mother's choice, but don't try to say there are no problems with formula.  Not attacking you, it sucks that your wife was unable to breastfeed.
 
2013-04-11 12:21:46 PM

orbister: shortymac: I have a question as a non-parent, is there a way for Dad to pick up the baby and attach baby to boob while Mom naps/half-sleeps?

My hubby and joke about it because he's a light sleeper and I'm not. When we have kids we plan to keep the crib right next to us so we don't have to get out of bed at night.

At night I invariably did the nappy changes, then plugged the kid into the mothership to refuel. Well, didn't exactly plug him in - I put him in the right position and she did the final adjustments. She barely had to wake up, though and they would both fall asleep during the feed.

Of course your kid or your partner's geometry may be different.


I figured as much, I wonder why more people don't do that.
 
2013-04-11 12:21:50 PM

orbister: The My Little Pony Killer: Those are the same types of people who honestly believe that there are two different growth charts for babies depending on whether or not they are breastfed, and that doctors honestly want to hide the breastfed chart from mothers.

There are two different growth charts for babies, depending on whether or not they are breastfed. Breastfed babies don't gain as quickly as first, but catch up pretty quickly. When you have a kid in the UK, the NHS gives you a folder of record sheets and charts, including a weight chart. A few years ago they changed to the breast-fed chart as standard, because they thought too many mothers were giving up as a result of thinking that things were going wrong because their babies looked underweight on the chart.

I've just looked at the kid's, which was pre change, and he does indeed dip well down the percentiles for a few weeks before head up again.


Okay, but doctors actually withholding this second chart from new mothers?  Seriously?  THAT'S the part that makes me think my cousin's head isn't quite screwed on correctly.
 
2013-04-11 12:23:50 PM

Jormungandr: MyKingdomForYourHorse: I almost throat punched the woman who came up when our son was born and threw down the guilt gauntlet to my wife for using formula.

Yes lady, my wife takes medication for her mental health and without that medication she might pose a danger to herself and others but because proven science on formula must be bunk she should threaten the health of herself and baby just to give my son breast milk.

Douche

I don't know what science you're thinking of, the consensus seems to be that under ideal circumstances formula is not as good, but good enough. However under non-ideal circumstances it can be quite fatal. Nestle got in quite a bit of trouble due to infant deaths in the third world. Turns out if you make formula with tainted water it kills kids, a problem breast milk doesn't have. Also there have been nonzero deaths associated with formula that contained harmful bacteria that was introduced during manufacture. It is still the mother's choice, but don't try to say there are no problems with formula.  Not attacking you, it sucks that your wife was unable to breastfeed.


And just the same (as well as what MKFYH was trying to say) breastfeeding is not 100% without risk.  

Why does it then become anybody's business whether a woman chooses one risk over another?
 
2013-04-11 12:25:55 PM

Soymilk: ...The important thing is to feed the babies, not for mommy to feel superior.


This.

ladyhawk: ...Baby feeding is not a battleground; what matters is that the baby gets fed. Breast feeding bullies need to STFU.

And this.

doubled99: After the birth,

YOU HAD ONE JOB



Thanks for the needed laugh!

PirateFuzzball:  ...Perhaps we just need to start with "I'm sorry, but we're tired of the constant Spanish Inquisition on whether the little one is breastfed. We know breast milk is better than formula. It's none of your business so please leave us alone".

You absolutely do.
 
2013-04-11 12:26:59 PM
After the birth,

YOU HAD ONE JOB

And yet it's none of your business HOW she chooses to get it done.


Yeah, like we never express our opinions on other people's parenting here. uh-huh.
 
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