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2013-04-11 12:19:21 AM  
There already is a law.  Reckless driving.  We don't need a million minute laws!
 
2013-04-11 12:33:25 AM  
In before distracted driving is already a law......Oh snap!
 
2013-04-11 12:33:58 AM  

Honest Bender: There already is a law.  Reckless driving.  We don't need a million minute laws!


But without a million minute laws, it won't be possible for the average Joe to go one day without violating at least a thousand.

They want to be able to give you more than one ticket for every unlawful action you take, so that they can charge you with Reckless Driving, Careless Driving, Non-Careful Driving, Driving While Distracted, Innattentive Driving, Driving Without Paying Sufficient Attention To The Road, Operating A Cellular Phone While Driving, Operating A Handheld Electronic Device While Driving, Distracted Driving, Failure To Have Both Hands On The Steering Wheel At The 10 And 2 Positions, multiple counts of Driving Whilst Committing An Unlawful Act, and Using Social Media While Operating A Motor Vehicle.


/and if it's in New York City, a possible summary execution for Existing While Non-White, if applicable
 
2013-04-11 02:02:02 AM  

Honest Bender: There already is a law.  Reckless driving.  We don't need a million minute laws!


I agree with this, but apparently, social media and texting need to be addressed again. People that cause wrecks because they're on FB or texting should have their license revoked for 6 months; perhaps just crushing their fingers and ramming the phone up their ass might be a better solution.
 
2013-04-11 08:56:37 AM  
So at what point is a tablet mounted on the dash doing work-related navigating that happens to include facebook interface be considered social media?

Cars are coming equipped with pretty big screens too, many of them are probably going to let you connect to maps if they don't already, but wait, now there's a text window to type in a street address. Is that social media? What if it updates your status (dumb idea, but it could)...

Great intentioned laws will fail in the real world. Its already illegal to distracted-drive. Leave it at that please. A laundry list of charges to throw at the next crashing driver is not going to do anything but help fill up for-profit prisons.
 
2013-04-11 08:58:46 AM  
Not sure if subby is serious...
 
2013-04-11 09:26:36 AM  

Fecal Conservative: In before distracted driving is already a law......Oh snap!


I think we need a law that prevents children in back seats from talking or fighting with each other while mom is driving.  Because that is extremely distractive.
 
2013-04-11 09:41:09 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Honest Bender: There already is a law.  Reckless driving.  We don't need a million minute laws!

I agree with this, but apparently, social media and texting need to be addressed again. People that cause wrecks because they're on FB or texting should have their license revoked for 6 months; perhaps just crushing their fingers and ramming the phone up their ass might be a better solution.


I see people who do this kind of stupid sh*t in the same light as I see people who act like assholes on airplanes. A year in prison for a first offense does not seem unreasonable to me.
 
2013-04-11 09:47:01 AM  
Because it's unenforceable?
 
2013-04-11 09:48:31 AM  

Generation_D: So at what point is a tablet mounted on the dash doing work-related navigating that happens to include facebook interface be considered social media?

Cars are coming equipped with pretty big screens too, many of them are probably going to let you connect to maps if they don't already, but wait, now there's a text window to type in a street address. Is that social media? What if it updates your status (dumb idea, but it could)...

Great intentioned laws will fail in the real world. Its already illegal to distracted-drive. Leave it at that please. A laundry list of charges to throw at the next crashing driver is not going to do anything but help fill up for-profit prisons.


All the In-dash units I have ever seen disable text entry when it sense the car is in gear or in motion.  IIRC the 'car' mode of Cynogen for Android also disabled text input when the GPS senses movement.
 
2013-04-11 09:51:28 AM  
Drivers do not need to be doing anything except paying attention to the road ahead and any vehicles around them.

They should put a motion sensor in mobile devices to prevent certain features from working while the car is moving.....same thing with these built in devices that cars have now....if the wheel is moving you can't use it.

Even if it saves one life it is worth it.......
 
2013-04-11 09:51:33 AM  
Well, because there's this...

Honest Bender: There already is a law.  Reckless driving.  We don't need a million minute laws!


And this...

tricycleracer: Because it's unenforceable?


And I think we're done.
 
2013-04-11 09:51:58 AM  
If you can't prove they're texting and driving how can you prove they're using social media and driving?

Are there idiots who when pulled over for screwing around with their cell phone and the officer says "I'm going to ticket you for texting and driving say I'm not texting, I'm on FB!"?
 
2013-04-11 09:52:46 AM  

Giltric: Drivers do not need to be doing anything except paying attention to the road ahead and any vehicles around them.

They should put a motion sensor in mobile devices to prevent certain features from working while the car is moving.....same thing with these built in devices that cars have now....if the wheel is moving you can't use it.

Even if it saves one life it is worth it.......


So passengers in cars can't use their phones?  What about folks that use public transportation?
 
2013-04-11 09:54:43 AM  
Texting already covers that. Typing and reading on a mobile device.
 
2013-04-11 09:56:06 AM  

wingnut396: Giltric: Drivers do not need to be doing anything except paying attention to the road ahead and any vehicles around them.

They should put a motion sensor in mobile devices to prevent certain features from working while the car is moving.....same thing with these built in devices that cars have now....if the wheel is moving you can't use it.

Even if it saves one life it is worth it.......

So passengers in cars can't use their phones?  What about folks that use public transportation?



They have to make sacrifices for the good of the whole.
 
2013-04-11 09:57:40 AM  
Just a tip:   Morsing while driving is still legal.  I do it pretty much every day I commute.  In fact, last time I did it seriously on Tuesday, I chatted with John ZL1BYZ in New Zealand from my car while driving home in upstate New York.
 
2013-04-11 09:58:42 AM  

Giltric: wingnut396: Giltric: Drivers do not need to be doing anything except paying attention to the road ahead and any vehicles around them.

They should put a motion sensor in mobile devices to prevent certain features from working while the car is moving.....same thing with these built in devices that cars have now....if the wheel is moving you can't use it.

Even if it saves one life it is worth it.......

So passengers in cars can't use their phones?  What about folks that use public transportation?


They have to make sacrifices for the good of the whole.


So what you are saying is that kids will have to actually talk to their parents on long drives?  Think of the chaos!
 
2013-04-11 10:02:53 AM  
We need a law to prevent local senators from posting laws on T and FB.
 
2013-04-11 10:04:46 AM  

BizarreMan: If you can't prove they're texting and driving how can you prove they're using social media and driving?

Are there idiots who when pulled over for screwing around with their cell phone and the officer says "I'm going to ticket you for texting and driving say I'm not texting, I'm on FB!"?


Subpoena the logs later, after the crash, so there's more laundry list felony charges to dump on them. Filling up for-pay prisons.
 
2013-04-11 10:06:20 AM  

dittybopper: Just a tip:   Morsing while driving is still legal.  I do it pretty much every day I commute.  In fact, last time I did it seriously on Tuesday, I chatted with John ZL1BYZ in New Zealand from my car while driving home in upstate New York.


There's always one somewhere.
 
2013-04-11 10:07:06 AM  

wingnut396: Generation_D: So at what point is a tablet mounted on the dash doing work-related navigating that happens to include facebook interface be considered social media?

Cars are coming equipped with pretty big screens too, many of them are probably going to let you connect to maps if they don't already, but wait, now there's a text window to type in a street address. Is that social media? What if it updates your status (dumb idea, but it could)...

Great intentioned laws will fail in the real world. Its already illegal to distracted-drive. Leave it at that please. A laundry list of charges to throw at the next crashing driver is not going to do anything but help fill up for-profit prisons.

All the In-dash units I have ever seen disable text entry when it sense the car is in gear or in motion.  IIRC the 'car' mode of Cynogen for Android also disabled text input when the GPS senses movement.


I never can decide if stuff like that is good or not - does it actually work in practice, or does the driver get confused because the device doesn't work like it usually does and gets distracted trying to get it to do what they wanted to do in the first place, spending far more time trying to work out what is going on than if they could actually just use it as normal.
 
2013-04-11 10:10:52 AM  
2014 No Pinning while driving

2015 No surfing while driving

2016 No downloading apps while driving

2017 No setting phone to airplane mode while driving

2018 No changing phone volume while driving

2019 No pictures while driving

2020 No video while driving
 
2013-04-11 10:13:46 AM  

xria: wingnut396: Generation_D: So at what point is a tablet mounted on the dash doing work-related navigating that happens to include facebook interface be considered social media?

Cars are coming equipped with pretty big screens too, many of them are probably going to let you connect to maps if they don't already, but wait, now there's a text window to type in a street address. Is that social media? What if it updates your status (dumb idea, but it could)...

Great intentioned laws will fail in the real world. Its already illegal to distracted-drive. Leave it at that please. A laundry list of charges to throw at the next crashing driver is not going to do anything but help fill up for-profit prisons.

All the In-dash units I have ever seen disable text entry when it sense the car is in gear or in motion.  IIRC the 'car' mode of Cynogen for Android also disabled text input when the GPS senses movement.

I never can decide if stuff like that is good or not - does it actually work in practice, or does the driver get confused because the device doesn't work like it usually does and gets distracted trying to get it to do what they wanted to do in the first place, spending far more time trying to work out what is going on than if they could actually just use it as normal.


Familiarity and user interface. We've had 50, 60 years to work out how to tune a car radio. The typical texting interface is smaller and less intuitive and has about 100 wrong inputs possible per correct character entered. It of course takes a bunch more attention.

Once we work out UI for vehicles (voice is probably how) then all this stuff is going to go away, which is why we shouldn't rush to enact a ton of laws that will be obsolete in 10 years anyway.

"update status: facebook" say that outloud, and up goes your GPS coordinates and a nice photo the car just took for you. Simple.
 
2013-04-11 10:26:10 AM  
Because  mind your own farking business  won't get some dullard to vote for you.
 
2013-04-11 10:26:18 AM  

Generation_D: BizarreMan: If you can't prove they're texting and driving how can you prove they're using social media and driving?

Are there idiots who when pulled over for screwing around with their cell phone and the officer says "I'm going to ticket you for texting and driving say I'm not texting, I'm on FB!"?

Subpoena the logs later, after the crash, so there's more laundry list felony charges to dump on them. Filling up for-pay prisons.


Jesus Christ - where do you live, that traffic infractions are felonies punishable by incarceration?
 
2013-04-11 10:27:59 AM  

Generation_D: Once we work out UI for vehicles (voice is probably how) then all this stuff is going to go away, which is why we shouldn't rush to enact a ton of laws that will be obsolete in 10 years anyway.

"update status: facebook" say that outloud, and up goes your GPS coordinates and a nice photo the car just took for you. Simple.


Think of all the laws that will need to be rolled back once fully automated cars are mandated.
 
2013-04-11 10:28:13 AM  

Generation_D: So at what point is a tablet mounted on the dash doing work-related navigating that happens to include facebook interface be considered social media?


www.distrocar.com
When you get cited for it by a person who routinely drives while using a laptop, camera, radio, cellphone, and has guns in the passenger compartment.

/Also, they're probably high on drug(s)
image.tradevv.com

/More laws = more $$$
 
2013-04-11 10:30:05 AM  
Soon, we will reach a point where nothing bad will ever happen to you while riding in a vehicle.  It's just around the corner, if our legislatures could just pick up the pace.
 
2013-04-11 10:30:44 AM  

Fecal Conservative: In before distracted driving is already a law......Oh snap!


The idea of these sorts of laws is to simplify the process of deciding what distracted driving is - basically you say explictly that if you are using x while driving, you legally are assumed to be distracted. It is the same idea as saying that over a certain measurable limit of alcohol in your blood you count as drunk driving. Sure some people can drive safely over that limit (and some are probably affected below it), and equally some people might be able to use facebook without getting distracted, but for the purposes of the legal system it is easier to prove or disprove something concrete than try to guess what the drivers state of mind was while they were driving.
 
2013-04-11 10:31:24 AM  

Generation_D: dittybopper: Just a tip:   Morsing while driving is still legal.  I do it pretty much every day I commute.  In fact, last time I did it seriously on Tuesday, I chatted with John ZL1BYZ in New Zealand from my car while driving home in upstate New York.

There's always one somewhere.


And I am indeed proud to be that one.
 
2013-04-11 10:32:58 AM  

BMulligan: Generation_D: BizarreMan: If you can't prove they're texting and driving how can you prove they're using social media and driving?

Are there idiots who when pulled over for screwing around with their cell phone and the officer says "I'm going to ticket you for texting and driving say I'm not texting, I'm on FB!"?

Subpoena the logs later, after the crash, so there's more laundry list felony charges to dump on them. Filling up for-pay prisons.

Jesus Christ - where do you live, that traffic infractions are felonies punishable by incarceration?


It works like this:

1) Guy drives into mom carrying kids to school in SUV
2) People die
3) Police subpoena cell records for guy, find he was texting
4) Prosecutor charges guy with Vehicular homicide, vehicular homicide while distracted, Distracted Driving, Driving while operating a cell phone in an unsafe manner, and texting from a moving vehicle. All of these over time have been bumped up to at least class 3 misdemeanors and above, to go with the felony vehicular homicide.

The more dogpile laws you can throw at someone that breaks a simple law, the more prosecution has to bargain and negotiate with, and the more guaranteed jail time they get. This is not news, its been going on everywhere in the past 10 years or so.

For-profit prisons won't fill themselves, so mandatory sentencing and overlapping charges for the same offense are the way to go.
 
2013-04-11 10:34:15 AM  
If you don't like when I check Facebook while driving, then you can stay off the sidewalk.
 
2013-04-11 11:12:52 AM  

mayIFark: Texting already covers that. Typing and reading on a mobile device.


you would think. there are people out there that would try to argue that Facebook isn't the same as texting.

The reason we need these bullshiat minute laws is because of the assholes who will argue "it doesn't say I'm NOT allowed to paint a portrait of Mother Teresa while driving, so when the cop pulled me over, I was well within my legal rights"
 
2013-04-11 11:16:32 AM  

Generation_D: BMulligan: Generation_D: BizarreMan: If you can't prove they're texting and driving how can you prove they're using social media and driving?

Are there idiots who when pulled over for screwing around with their cell phone and the officer says "I'm going to ticket you for texting and driving say I'm not texting, I'm on FB!"?

Subpoena the logs later, after the crash, so there's more laundry list felony charges to dump on them. Filling up for-pay prisons.

Jesus Christ - where do you live, that traffic infractions are felonies punishable by incarceration?

It works like this:

1) Guy drives into mom carrying kids to school in SUV
2) People die
3) Police subpoena cell records for guy, find he was texting
4) Prosecutor charges guy with Vehicular homicide, vehicular homicide while distracted, Distracted Driving, Driving while operating a cell phone in an unsafe manner, and texting from a moving vehicle. All of these over time have been bumped up to at least class 3 misdemeanors and above, to go with the felony vehicular homicide.

The more dogpile laws you can throw at someone that breaks a simple law, the more prosecution has to bargain and negotiate with, and the more guaranteed jail time they get. This is not news, its been going on everywhere in the past 10 years or so.

For-profit prisons won't fill themselves, so mandatory sentencing and overlapping charges for the same offense are the way to go.


Funny - your experience with the criminal justice system is very different than mine. You'd think that in almost 20 years of practicing criminal defense, I would have encountered this.
 
2013-04-11 11:17:41 AM  
Want to know why subby?  Here's your answer:   Link
 
2013-04-11 11:18:50 AM  
pretty sure Facebooking is covered under no text laws
 
2013-04-11 11:22:23 AM  
Talk to text while mounted on my dash.  F*ck you, F*ckers.
 
2013-04-11 11:26:00 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Soon, we will reach a point where nothing bad will ever happen to you while riding in a vehicle.  It's just around the corner, if our legislatures could just pick up the pace.


I think it's a lot more likely we'll reach a point where people (especially those from the so-called party of personal responsibility) could give two f*cks about their fellow human beings and do whatever the f*ck they want and complain when you try to hold them accountable for the deaths of innocents just because they needed to smoke a cigarette while putting on makeup while talking on the phone.

//not saying more laws are better, maybe broader catch-all laws like "reckless driving", but I just wanted to illustrate that assholery has run amuck more so than legislation.
 
2013-04-11 11:34:02 AM  

BMulligan: Generation_D: BMulligan: Generation_D: BizarreMan: If you can't prove they're texting and driving how can you prove they're using social media and driving?

Are there idiots who when pulled over for screwing around with their cell phone and the officer says "I'm going to ticket you for texting and driving say I'm not texting, I'm on FB!"?

Subpoena the logs later, after the crash, so there's more laundry list felony charges to dump on them. Filling up for-pay prisons.

Jesus Christ - where do you live, that traffic infractions are felonies punishable by incarceration?

It works like this:

1) Guy drives into mom carrying kids to school in SUV
2) People die
3) Police subpoena cell records for guy, find he was texting
4) Prosecutor charges guy with Vehicular homicide, vehicular homicide while distracted, Distracted Driving, Driving while operating a cell phone in an unsafe manner, and texting from a moving vehicle. All of these over time have been bumped up to at least class 3 misdemeanors and above, to go with the felony vehicular homicide.

The more dogpile laws you can throw at someone that breaks a simple law, the more prosecution has to bargain and negotiate with, and the more guaranteed jail time they get. This is not news, its been going on everywhere in the past 10 years or so.

For-profit prisons won't fill themselves, so mandatory sentencing and overlapping charges for the same offense are the way to go.

Funny - your experience with the criminal justice system is very different than mine. You'd think that in almost 20 years of practicing criminal defense, I would have encountered this.


Point taken, but perhaps in 20 years you haven't noticed the creep in severity of charges being prosecuted. Its been a running theme in a number of contexts.
 
2013-04-11 11:41:20 AM  
It should be treated same as a DUI.
 
2013-04-11 11:43:21 AM  

BMulligan: Generation_D: BMulligan: Generation_D: BizarreMan: If you can't prove they're texting and driving how can you prove they're using social media and driving?

Are there idiots who when pulled over for screwing around with their cell phone and the officer says "I'm going to ticket you for texting and driving say I'm not texting, I'm on FB!"?

Subpoena the logs later, after the crash, so there's more laundry list felony charges to dump on them. Filling up for-pay prisons.

Jesus Christ - where do you live, that traffic infractions are felonies punishable by incarceration?

It works like this:

1) Guy drives into mom carrying kids to school in SUV
2) People die
3) Police subpoena cell records for guy, find he was texting
4) Prosecutor charges guy with Vehicular homicide, vehicular homicide while distracted, Distracted Driving, Driving while operating a cell phone in an unsafe manner, and texting from a moving vehicle. All of these over time have been bumped up to at least class 3 misdemeanors and above, to go with the felony vehicular homicide.

The more dogpile laws you can throw at someone that breaks a simple law, the more prosecution has to bargain and negotiate with, and the more guaranteed jail time they get. This is not news, its been going on everywhere in the past 10 years or so.

For-profit prisons won't fill themselves, so mandatory sentencing and overlapping charges for the same offense are the way to go.

Funny - your experience with the criminal justice system is very different than mine. You'd think that in almost 20 years of practicing criminal defense, I would have encountered this.


With 20 years in the criminal justice system, one thing I have learned, those with a stake in the game tend to turn a blind eye to the creeping effects of a "for-profit" based justice system.  When you have DA offices acting as collections agencies, something is seriously wrong.
 
2013-04-11 11:46:06 AM  
We cannot protect people from themselves 100% of the time.  I know we are also trying to protect others that get injured because someone is distracted and driving.

Did we have to make reading newspapers while driving illegal? (semi serious question).

Seems you could cover this with restricting the use of any electronic device (probably excepting car radios and CBs) that takes your attention away from the road while driving without singling out social media in a move that looks like OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUD!

Allow due process and the court the option to destroy the device as well.
 
2013-04-11 11:46:41 AM  

Brainsick: Generation_D: So at what point is a tablet mounted on the dash doing work-related navigating that happens to include facebook interface be considered social media?

[www.distrocar.com image 588x441]
When you get cited for it by a person who routinely drives while using a laptop, camera, radio, cellphone, and has guns in the passenger compartment.

/Also, they're probably high on drug(s)
[image.tradevv.com image 315x315]

/More laws = more $$$



They also do not need form 4s and tax stamps for NFA weapons.

Get over it.
 
2013-04-11 12:14:37 PM  
More like "Don't these politicians have better things to fix" news
 
2013-04-11 12:14:42 PM  

vudukungfu: It should be treated same as a DUI.


boo
 
2013-04-11 12:25:14 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: 2014 No Pinning while driving

2015 No surfing while driving

2016 No downloading apps while driving

2017 No setting phone to airplane mode while driving

2018 No changing phone volume while driving

2019 No pictures while driving

2020 No video while driving


2021 Google's autonomous car introduced

2022 All prior "No _____ while driving" laws retroactively changed to "Mandatory _____ while driving"
 
2013-04-11 12:52:39 PM  
As the great governor of Texas Rick Perry said after vetoing a law making it illegal to test and drive, the key to stopping people from texting while driving is "information and education" not laws.

/Just,don't ask me what Rick says about drunk driving, sex education and abortion
 
2013-04-11 01:00:03 PM  

Giltric: Drivers do not need to be doing anything except paying attention to the road ahead and any vehicles around them.

They should put a motion sensor in mobile devices to prevent certain features from working while the car is moving.....same thing with these built in devices that cars have now....if the wheel is moving you can't use it.

Even if it saves one life it is worth it.......


Are you really this dumb or is this sarcasm?
 
2013-04-11 01:07:55 PM  

Honest Bender: There already is a law.  Reckless driving.  We don't need a million minute laws!


California has a law against "distracted driving"  yet feels the need to keep accreting new layers on the books by banning specific behaviors like hands-on cell phone use, etc. When previous laws aren't enforced and things don't improve as they were supposed t, the answer is to create more laws that won't do much. It's some kind of mental impairment that politicians succumb to when the world disappoints them by not behaving as it should.
 
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