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2013-04-11 08:26:55 AM
Taking care to distinguish Yeoh's sexual orientation from her gender identity, Batgirl writer Gail Simone noted that the character is also bisexual.

So... Much... Diversity... Must... Purchase... Comics...
 
2013-04-11 08:57:09 AM
Oh, look, DC is jumping on another bandwagon by shoehorning another token "diverse" character in their books so they can get a tiny amount of mainstream coverage for their line of failing books.

Must be a day ending in "Y".
 
2013-04-11 10:20:09 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, DC is jumping on another bandwagon by shoehorning another token "diverse" character in their books so they can get a tiny amount of mainstream coverage for their line of failing books.

Must be a day ending in "Y".


Just a thought:  Gail Simone writing "Captain Marvel".  Awesome, or not?
 
2013-04-11 10:21:48 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, DC is jumping on another bandwagon by shoehorning another token "diverse" character in their books so they can get a tiny amount of mainstream coverage for their line of failing books.

Must be a day ending in "Y".


Lol. You literally never miss a chance to biatch about DC do you? Used to annoy the crap out of me, now I find it comforting.
 
2013-04-11 10:25:56 AM

Rwa2play: FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, DC is jumping on another bandwagon by shoehorning another token "diverse" character in their books so they can get a tiny amount of mainstream coverage for their line of failing books.

Must be a day ending in "Y".

Just a thought:  Gail Simone writing "Captain Marvel".  Awesome, or not?


...the broad published by Marvel, or Billy Batson?

Simone writing Carol Danvers could be interesting. Fawcett's Captain Marvel should never be used again. Almost no one can write him correctly.


Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, DC is jumping on another bandwagon by shoehorning another token "diverse" character in their books so they can get a tiny amount of mainstream coverage for their line of failing books.

Must be a day ending in "Y".

Lol. You literally never miss a chance to biatch about DC do you? Used to annoy the crap out of me, now I find it comforting.


Hey, Marvel pretty much flies under the radar. If they did stupid stuff for publicity every week, I'd biatch about them, too. But Marvel just lets their successful movies do the talking.

/although, I was the one who submitted the headline about the stupidity of Marvel officially making the M-Word a racial slur.
 
2013-04-11 10:27:45 AM
Batgirl: So... I was shot and left for dead by a crazed psychopath.  I was paralyzed and traumatized to this day.
Babs: That's nice and all, but you know what has two thumbs and isn't the center of attention right now?

Fark you, Babs.  When your roommate reveals a highly emotional thing about her past, your first impulse should not be to one-up.
 
2013-04-11 10:30:20 AM

andrewagill: Batgirl: So... I was shot and left for dead by a crazed psychopath.  I was paralyzed and traumatized to this day.
Babs: That's nice and all, but you know what has two thumbs and isn't the center of attention right now?

Fark you, Babs.  When your roommate reveals a highly emotional thing about her past, your first impulse should not be to one-up.


You mean Alysia. Babs is short for Barbara (Batgirl).
 
2013-04-11 10:31:09 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Hey, Marvel pretty much flies under the radar. If they did stupid stuff for publicity every week, I'd biatch about them, too. But Marvel just lets their successful movies do the talking.


Ummm... Age of Ultron says otherwise.
 
2013-04-11 10:31:32 AM

andrewagill: Batgirl: So... I was shot and left for dead by a crazed psychopath.  I was paralyzed and traumatized to this day.
BabsAlysia: That's nice and all, but you know what has two thumbs and isn't the center of attention right now?

Fark you, BabsAlysia.  When your roommate reveals a highly emotional thing about her past, your first impulse should not be to one-up.


I confused the two names of the characters I don't care about.  I'm not sorry.
 
2013-04-11 10:33:17 AM

Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Hey, Marvel pretty much flies under the radar. If they did stupid stuff for publicity every week, I'd biatch about them, too. But Marvel just lets their successful movies do the talking.

Ummm... Age of Ultron says otherwise.


What, Angela?

Eh, that's... well, it sounds really stupid and pointless on the face of it. The only good that looks like it could possibly come out of it is something to do with Miracleman finally being reprinted and completed.
 
2013-04-11 10:38:35 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Hey, Marvel pretty much flies under the radar. If they did stupid stuff for publicity every week, I'd biatch about them, too. But Marvel just lets their successful movies do the talking.

Ummm... Age of Ultron says otherwise.

What, Angela?

Eh, that's... well, it sounds really stupid and pointless on the face of it. The only good that looks like it could possibly come out of it is something to do with Miracleman finally being reprinted and completed.


Personally, I'm of the belief that bringing Angela in to Marvel is a well reasoned, strategic minded, and thoroughly inventive means of shiatting in Todd McFarlane's face.  And I see no wrong there, really.
 
2013-04-11 10:43:21 AM

Dr. Whoof: FirstNationalBastard: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Hey, Marvel pretty much flies under the radar. If they did stupid stuff for publicity every week, I'd biatch about them, too. But Marvel just lets their successful movies do the talking.

Ummm... Age of Ultron says otherwise.

What, Angela?

Eh, that's... well, it sounds really stupid and pointless on the face of it. The only good that looks like it could possibly come out of it is something to do with Miracleman finally being reprinted and completed.

Personally, I'm of the belief that bringing Angela in to Marvel is a well reasoned, strategic minded, and thoroughly inventive means of shiatting in Todd McFarlane's face.  And I see no wrong there, really.


And what better way to do that than finally complete and reprint Miracleman?

Remember, McFarlane bought the rights to Miracleman from a random snake oil salesman in the '90s, and Miracleman has been a major part of the legal battles between McFarlane and Neil Gaiman (with Angela being another).
 
2013-04-11 10:44:38 AM

Hebalo: andrewagill: Batgirl: So... I was shot and left for dead by a crazed psychopath.  I was paralyzed and traumatized to this day.
Babs: That's nice and all, but you know what has two thumbs and isn't the center of attention right now?

Fark you, Babs.  When your roommate reveals a highly emotional thing about her past, your first impulse should not be to one-up.

You mean Alysia. Babs is short for Barbara (Batgirl).


I blame talking butt syndrome (or talking stomach syndrome, talking temple syndrome):

i158.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-11 11:01:34 AM
It's pretty funny...

"Yeah, I'm Batgirl. One of my friends is Superman, an alien with incredible strength who can fly and shoot laser beams from his eyes. Another friend is a woman shaped from clay, who is also incredibly strong and can fly. One guy I know is green, and can turn into animals. Last week, I fought a guy who looks like a psychotic clown, and another nutcase with half his face burned off. The Earth was invaded by people with wings a while back, and this sort of crap has been going on longer than I've been alive."

Roommate: "I'm transsexual."

Batgirl: "Not really impressed. Sorry. Try not to get stuffed in a fridge or anything."
 
2013-04-11 11:07:25 AM
Gail Simone still hasn't figured out how to write about womens issues convincingly (you heard me) and now she wants to tackle Transgender issues?

what a bunch of convoluted horseshiat.

Yes, Gails been in the business long enough that she comes from a time where women in the field were more scarce and thus ANYTHING she did was considered untouchable... but shes a hack, she's always been a hack...and frankly she's about as sexist as they come.

"That man looked at that women for TOO LONG! He's TRYING TO VICTIMIZE HER!" etc.

fark GAIL SIMONE AND THE HORSE SHE RODE IN ON.
 
2013-04-11 11:09:13 AM
It's nice that people writing super-hero comics are trying to address real life issues, but frankly the days are past when all comics are about super-heros. I can read much more meaningful and interesting comics about gender, sexuality, and so on without having to wade through all the super-hero material aimed at young children and grown children.
 
2013-04-11 11:10:24 AM

cirby: It's pretty funny...

"Yeah, I'm Batgirl. One of my friends is Superman, an alien with incredible strength who can fly and shoot laser beams from his eyes. Another friend is a woman shaped from clay, who is also incredibly strong and can fly. One guy I know is green, and can turn into animals. Last week, I fought a guy who looks like a psychotic clown, and another nutcase with half his face burned off. The Earth was invaded by people with wings a while back, and this sort of crap has been going on longer than I've been alive."

Roommate: "I'm transsexual."

Batgirl: "Not really impressed. Sorry. Try not to get stuffed in a fridge or anything."


I love that about comics. Who get worse treatment in the Marvel universe: a black human or a white mutant? One group has a history of slavery and oppression and institutional racism, the other has giant purple robots attacking your people every so often in order to institute potential post-apocalyptic slavery, but you sometimes have cool superpowers. Storm seems to handle it well considering it all.
 
2013-04-11 11:13:13 AM
Serious question: How many think this was done just for the sake of being political / feeling "progressive" and not for the sake of actually writing a story?
 
2013-04-11 11:18:41 AM

yves0010: Serious question: How many think this was done just for the sake of being political / feeling "progressive" and not for the sake of actually writing a story?


I think the majority of mainstream comic stories that tackle real life issues are done for either attention or as a cynical marketing ploy.

Peter David has always done his "preachies", in Incredible Hulk, Young Justice, and most books he's written, and while they may have been heavy handed at times, they've slid under the radar, got very little publicity, and been solid books.

On the other hand, major press releases about which character is magically becoming gay or transsexual or dying this week are shameless "WE NEED ATTENTION AND A SMALL SALES BUMP! SOMEONE CALL USA TODAY" ploys by corporate.
 
2013-04-11 11:18:42 AM
Does DC even get diversity cred for having a normal civilian be the token minority?  Doesn't it usually have to go "See?! Even a transgender bisexual asian can be a superhero!"?

/ I know, we'll have to wait until next month's issue for that big shocker.

// Also hasn't it already been done?  Transgender villains at least?  (possibly nsfw link)
 
2013-04-11 11:24:43 AM

yves0010: Serious question: How many think this was done just for the sake of being political / feeling "progressive" and not for the sake of actually writing a story?


images.sodahead.com
 
2013-04-11 11:27:30 AM

BafflerMeal: yves0010: Serious question: How many think this was done just for the sake of being political / feeling "progressive" and not for the sake of actually writing a story?

[images.sodahead.com image 350x350]


In my eyes, it can never be both. One is for the right reasons and the other is for the wrong reasons. And it has to come down to being about timing and execution. This seems to be a political / feel "progressive" (the wrong reason) issue and not a story (the right reason) thing. Just feels forced to me.
 
2013-04-11 11:27:48 AM
well, they certainly are covering all their bases with this one, aren't they?
 
2013-04-11 11:30:46 AM
Couldn't Plastic Man technically be whatever gender he wants at the moment?
 
2013-04-11 11:34:19 AM
Wouldn't it be more progressive if this had no effect on the story at all? Isn't the goal? For it to be a non-issue?
 
2013-04-11 11:35:26 AM

yves0010: BafflerMeal: yves0010: Serious question: How many think this was done just for the sake of being political / feeling "progressive" and not for the sake of actually writing a story?

[images.sodahead.com image 350x350]

In my eyes, it can never be both. One is for the right reasons and the other is for the wrong reasons. And it has to come down to being about timing and execution. This seems to be a political / feel "progressive" (the wrong reason) issue and not a story (the right reason) thing. Just feels forced to me.



Is Guess Who's Coming to Dinner a movie made for the sake of being progressive or for the sake of writing a good story?  Not discounting your thoughts on the comic.  Just thinking about your either/or proposition.
 
2013-04-11 11:43:49 AM

verbaltoxin: Couldn't Plastic Man technically be whatever gender he wants at the moment?


I dunno about Plas, but Martian Manhunter could be.
 
2013-04-11 11:49:39 AM

Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, DC is jumping on another bandwagon by shoehorning another token "diverse" character in their books so they can get a tiny amount of mainstream coverage for their line of failing books.

Must be a day ending in "Y".

Lol. You literally never miss a chance to biatch about DC do you? Used to annoy the crap out of me, now I find it comforting.


What isn't there to biatch about with DC?  The New 52 is horrible; Vertigo's being transformed into "stuff that doesn't fit in the 'new 52' comic.  Their Live Action movies?  "I've seen better film on teeth." (Delroy Lindo, "Get Shorty.")
 
2013-04-11 11:49:57 AM

BafflerMeal: yves0010: BafflerMeal: yves0010: Serious question: How many think this was done just for the sake of being political / feeling "progressive" and not for the sake of actually writing a story?

[images.sodahead.com image 350x350]

In my eyes, it can never be both. One is for the right reasons and the other is for the wrong reasons. And it has to come down to being about timing and execution. This seems to be a political / feel "progressive" (the wrong reason) issue and not a story (the right reason) thing. Just feels forced to me.


Is Guess Who's Coming to Dinner a movie made for the sake of being progressive or for the sake of writing a good story?  Not discounting your thoughts on the comic.  Just thinking about your either/or proposition.


One thing's for sure, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner did not hold up over time.  I remember watching it and just thinking, "what's the big deal here?  This movie sucks".  Mission accomplished, I guess.

Good fiction, especially scifi, can be both politically motivated and a good story though.  Take the X-Men's civil rights struggle for mutants for example.  They told a good story that had analogs with real life and taught us a lesson.  That plays out better than just trying to tack real life prejudice into your story about superheroes, where it seems trivial by comparison.
 
2013-04-11 11:50:00 AM

andrewagill: Hebalo: andrewagill: Batgirl: So... I was shot and left for dead by a crazed psychopath.  I was paralyzed and traumatized to this day.
Babs: That's nice and all, but you know what has two thumbs and isn't the center of attention right now?

Fark you, Babs.  When your roommate reveals a highly emotional thing about her past, your first impulse should not be to one-up.

You mean Alysia. Babs is short for Barbara (Batgirl).

I blame talking butt syndrome (or talking stomach syndrome, talking temple syndrome):

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img526.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-11 11:51:59 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Rwa2play: FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, DC is jumping on another bandwagon by shoehorning another token "diverse" character in their books so they can get a tiny amount of mainstream coverage for their line of failing books.

Must be a day ending in "Y".

Just a thought:  Gail Simone writing "Captain Marvel".  Awesome, or not?

...the broad published by Marvel, or Billy Batson?

Simone writing Carol Danvers could be interesting.


Thought as much. :)

Fawcett's Captain Marvel should never be used again. Almost no one can write him correctly.

This.
 
2013-04-11 12:02:36 PM

Rwa2play: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, DC is jumping on another bandwagon by shoehorning another token "diverse" character in their books so they can get a tiny amount of mainstream coverage for their line of failing books.

Must be a day ending in "Y".

Lol. You literally never miss a chance to biatch about DC do you? Used to annoy the crap out of me, now I find it comforting.

What isn't there to biatch about with DC?  The New 52 is horrible; Vertigo's being transformed into "stuff that doesn't fit in the 'new 52' comic.  Their Live Action movies?  "I've seen better film on teeth." (Delroy Lindo, "Get Shorty.")


Aaaaaaaaaaaand just to add into the manure:  DC announces ALL NEW #1s in September

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh, DC can go to hell and stay there.
 
2013-04-11 12:04:47 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Dr. Whoof: FirstNationalBastard: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Hey, Marvel pretty much flies under the radar. If they did stupid stuff for publicity every week, I'd biatch about them, too. But Marvel just lets their successful movies do the talking.

Ummm... Age of Ultron says otherwise.

What, Angela?

Eh, that's... well, it sounds really stupid and pointless on the face of it. The only good that looks like it could possibly come out of it is something to do with Miracleman finally being reprinted and completed.

Personally, I'm of the belief that bringing Angela in to Marvel is a well reasoned, strategic minded, and thoroughly inventive means of shiatting in Todd McFarlane's face.  And I see no wrong there, really.

And what better way to do that than finally complete and reprint Miracleman?

Remember, McFarlane bought the rights to Miracleman from a random snake oil salesman in the '90s, and Miracleman has been a major part of the legal battles between McFarlane and Neil Gaiman (with Angela being another).


According to Marvel, there's an announcement coming "soon" about Miracleman.  I'm predicting it will hit about the same week the Angela issue lands on shelves.
 
2013-04-11 12:11:48 PM

Dr. Whoof: FirstNationalBastard: Dr. Whoof: FirstNationalBastard: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Hey, Marvel pretty much flies under the radar. If they did stupid stuff for publicity every week, I'd biatch about them, too. But Marvel just lets their successful movies do the talking.

Ummm... Age of Ultron says otherwise.

What, Angela?

Eh, that's... well, it sounds really stupid and pointless on the face of it. The only good that looks like it could possibly come out of it is something to do with Miracleman finally being reprinted and completed.

Personally, I'm of the belief that bringing Angela in to Marvel is a well reasoned, strategic minded, and thoroughly inventive means of shiatting in Todd McFarlane's face.  And I see no wrong there, really.

And what better way to do that than finally complete and reprint Miracleman?

Remember, McFarlane bought the rights to Miracleman from a random snake oil salesman in the '90s, and Miracleman has been a major part of the legal battles between McFarlane and Neil Gaiman (with Angela being another).

According to Marvel, there's an announcement coming "soon" about Miracleman.  I'm predicting it will hit about the same week the Angela issue lands on shelves.


Y'know, my one major fear about Miracleman is... will it live up to the hype?

I've never read it because of the prohibitively expensive backissues, and lack of affordable reprints since, oh, 1990. Miracleman has been hyped as some of the best shiat ever for the entirety of my comic reading days. But will it live up to the hype?

I mean, how many people do you hear of reading Watchmen or Dark Knight Returns for the first time, and are underwhelmed because the stories have been beaten to death in other stuff they've read?
 
2013-04-11 12:16:19 PM

Disposable Rob: cirby: It's pretty funny...

"Yeah, I'm Batgirl. One of my friends is Superman, an alien with incredible strength who can fly and shoot laser beams from his eyes. Another friend is a woman shaped from clay, who is also incredibly strong and can fly. One guy I know is green, and can turn into animals. Last week, I fought a guy who looks like a psychotic clown, and another nutcase with half his face burned off. The Earth was invaded by people with wings a while back, and this sort of crap has been going on longer than I've been alive."

Roommate: "I'm transsexual."

Batgirl: "Not really impressed. Sorry. Try not to get stuffed in a fridge or anything."

I love that about comics. Who get worse treatment in the Marvel universe: a black human or a white mutant? One group has a history of slavery and oppression and institutional racism, the other has giant purple robots attacking your people every so often in order to institute potential post-apocalyptic slavery, but you sometimes have cool superpowers. Storm seems to handle it well considering it all.


Classic was when Green Lantern got called out by a civil rights protester for not doing anything for brown people.

BTW, to an extent in the war on straw, prejudice against mutants is more justified. I mean, they manifest these powers out of nowhere, and the kid next door may be capable of blowing up your house with an accidental thought. Of course, to single mutants out when there are 50 9/11s a day in the marvel universe, as costumed thugs duke it out in downtown NYC is unfair, but the point stands.
 
2013-04-11 12:23:44 PM
Fano:

Classic was when Green Lantern got called out by a civil rights protester for not doing anything for brown people.


Ah, the Denny O'Neil/Neal Adams Green Lantern/Green Arrow run, in which Denny regularly hit readers over the head with a baseball bat with his social consciousness.

/And, he made Speedy into a smackhead. Oh, and who do you think created John Stewart? Everyone's favorite Chocolate Lantern was created as an angry black man stereotype!
 
2013-04-11 12:45:40 PM

Rwa2play: Rwa2play: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, DC is jumping on another bandwagon by shoehorning another token "diverse" character in their books so they can get a tiny amount of mainstream coverage for their line of failing books.

Must be a day ending in "Y".

Lol. You literally never miss a chance to biatch about DC do you? Used to annoy the crap out of me, now I find it comforting.

What isn't there to biatch about with DC?  The New 52 is horrible; Vertigo's being transformed into "stuff that doesn't fit in the 'new 52' comic.  Their Live Action movies?  "I've seen better film on teeth." (Delroy Lindo, "Get Shorty.")

Aaaaaaaaaaaand just to add into the manure:  DC announces ALL NEW #1s in September

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh, DC can go to hell and stay there.


And what is sad is that there are plenty of people at the LCBS who will buy EVERY single #1 they can find and then justify paying sixty gazillion dollars by claiming that they will be collectible.

\yeah, once the other three million copies are destroyed
 
2013-04-11 01:08:58 PM

BafflerMeal: yves0010: Serious question: How many think this was done just for the sake of being political / feeling "progressive" and not for the sake of actually writing a story?

[images.sodahead.com image 350x350]


Yes, it is possible to do both at the same time, but I don't believe that the actual execution is story-driven.

In particular, it seems to have stripped out the bits of story for the reveal.

We don't hear any of the discussion that the two are having when Batgirl is explaining the intensely emotional things that she's describing.

We see that Alysia is surprised or angry or perhaps gassy on panel two of the black thought captions.  But we don't know what this emotion is, how it impacts their relationship, what Batgirl's reaction is, or any of the actual character-driven story elements are for most of the story.  In the same panel, Batgirl seems resigned.  Is she defeated by Alysia's objections or is she retreating within herself to prevent her pain, or is there something else going on?

Wouldn't it be interesting to find out?  What if someone wrote, oh I don't know, a STORY about that?

Both Batgirl and Alysia also show a shocking amount of self-absorption in this sequence.  All the descriptions here are about things going on in her own head, with the exception of the transitional phrase about how Alysia was having none of it, which then propels us into her refocusing the conversation on her.

In short, both of these characters come across as profoundly narcissistic, and to introduce a transgender character as self-absorbed and narcissistic is probably not the most uplifting.

Though I would be very petty myself to say that you can't have a character that isn't uplifting because [insert reason here].
 
2013-04-11 01:09:31 PM
Nothing I like better than when my escapist fantasy tackles pressing real world issues.
I'm waiting for the issue of Craptacular Man that has my boss screaming at me to do my work in every panel. Then my pathetic real life and the things I use to momentarily escape from it will be one and the same. Oh joy.
 
2013-04-11 01:10:01 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Rwa2play: Rwa2play: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, DC is jumping on another bandwagon by shoehorning another token "diverse" character in their books so they can get a tiny amount of mainstream coverage for their line of failing books.

Must be a day ending in "Y".

Lol. You literally never miss a chance to biatch about DC do you? Used to annoy the crap out of me, now I find it comforting.

What isn't there to biatch about with DC?  The New 52 is horrible; Vertigo's being transformed into "stuff that doesn't fit in the 'new 52' comic.  Their Live Action movies?  "I've seen better film on teeth." (Delroy Lindo, "Get Shorty.")

Aaaaaaaaaaaand just to add into the manure:  DC announces ALL NEW #1s in September

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh, DC can go to hell and stay there.

And what is sad is that there are plenty of people at the LCBS who will buy EVERY single #1 they can find and then justify paying sixty gazillion dollars by claiming that they will be collectible.

\yeah, once the other three million copies are destroyed


I don't know, I think a one off villian book could be fun.  I'm sure a snyder mind of joker thing could be a fun and disturbing read.  The mr. freeze annual was decent at the very least.
 
2013-04-11 01:14:10 PM
Mallard Fillmore "comics" make me stabby.
 
2013-04-11 01:18:28 PM
Wouldn't Comet be the first transgender, or is s/he a multi-gendered character?

maidofmight.net


Or what about Mister E and Rose?
 
2013-04-11 01:26:32 PM

Rwa2play: Rwa2play: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, DC is jumping on another bandwagon by shoehorning another token "diverse" character in their books so they can get a tiny amount of mainstream coverage for their line of failing books.

Must be a day ending in "Y".

Lol. You literally never miss a chance to biatch about DC do you? Used to annoy the crap out of me, now I find it comforting.

What isn't there to biatch about with DC?  The New 52 is horrible; Vertigo's being transformed into "stuff that doesn't fit in the 'new 52' comic.  Their Live Action movies?  "I've seen better film on teeth." (Delroy Lindo, "Get Shorty.")

Aaaaaaaaaaaand just to add into the manure:  DC announces ALL NEW #1s in September

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh, DC can go to hell and stay there.


Having Superman in the public domain after DC folds is going to be awesome.
 
2013-04-11 01:29:11 PM
Garfield did this in 1979: link
 
2013-04-11 01:32:10 PM

verbaltoxin: Rwa2play: Rwa2play: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, DC is jumping on another bandwagon by shoehorning another token "diverse" character in their books so they can get a tiny amount of mainstream coverage for their line of failing books.

Must be a day ending in "Y".

Lol. You literally never miss a chance to biatch about DC do you? Used to annoy the crap out of me, now I find it comforting.

What isn't there to biatch about with DC?  The New 52 is horrible; Vertigo's being transformed into "stuff that doesn't fit in the 'new 52' comic.  Their Live Action movies?  "I've seen better film on teeth." (Delroy Lindo, "Get Shorty.")

Aaaaaaaaaaaand just to add into the manure:  DC announces ALL NEW #1s in September

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh, DC can go to hell and stay there.

Having Superman in the public domain after DC folds is going to be awesome.


I-I'm just shaking my head and saying "WTF ARE YOU DOING DC?!"  It's not even at the point of throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks, they've gone way past that point.  It's eerily like WCW near the end of its run; that's the frightening part.  It's like Time Warner has never learned (and apparently isn't willing to learn) those lessons and would rather one of its entities die out rather than accept that they've made mistakes and rectify them accordingly.
 
2013-04-11 01:36:40 PM

bulok: Wouldn't Comet be the first transgender, or is s/he a multi-gendered character?
Or what about Mister E and Rose?


I think you mean Phantom Stranger and Rose?   Comet was not only transgender, but transspecial, which in comics is not really special at all.
 
2013-04-11 01:37:59 PM

Rwa2play: verbaltoxin: Rwa2play: Rwa2play: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Oh, look, DC is jumping on another bandwagon by shoehorning another token "diverse" character in their books so they can get a tiny amount of mainstream coverage for their line of failing books.

Must be a day ending in "Y".


Lol. You literally never miss a chance to biatch about DC do you? Used to annoy the crap out of me, now I find it comforting.


What isn't there to biatch about with DC?  The New 52 is horrible; Vertigo's being transformed into "stuff that doesn't fit in the 'new 52' comic.  Their Live Action movies?  "I've seen better film on teeth." (Delroy Lindo, "Get Shorty.")


Aaaaaaaaaaaand just to add into the manure:  DC announces ALL NEW #1s in September


Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh, DC can go to hell and stay there.


Having Superman in the public domain after DC folds is going to be awesome.


I-I'm just shaking my head and saying "WTF ARE YOU DOING DC?!"  It's not even at the point of throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks, they've gone way past that point.  It's eerily like WCW near the end of its run; that's the frightening part.  It's like Time Warner has never learned (and apparently isn't willing to learn) those lessons and would rather one of its entities die out rather than accept that they've made mistakes and rectify them accordingly.


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2013-04-11 01:45:40 PM
I want to stab things when I read Mallard Fillmore.
 
2013-04-11 01:46:04 PM

Rhypskallion: bulok: Wouldn't Comet be the first transgender, or is s/he a multi-gendered character?
Or what about Mister E and Rose?

I think you mean Phantom Stranger and Rose?   Comet was not only transgender, but transspecial, which in comics is not really special at all.


We're both wrong. Mister E was the blind dude, and Phantom Stranger was the fallen angel or something. It's Doctor Occult and Rose
 
2013-04-11 01:55:31 PM
DC has boatloads of problems at the management level, but this isn't one of them.

There are a few writers working for DC that generally make a push for including these kinds of character, and Gail is really at the forefront of that small group since the departure of Greg Rucka. Sure, Gail puts a little more of her own personal agenda into her comics when she can, but that's the kind of writer she is and she's damn good at it most of the time.  I might not enjoy every book she writes, but her Batgirl run has been good, and Secret Six - a casualty of DC's "New 52" - was consistently my favorite and most anticipated book on the shelf from month to month.

For people that have even casually followed Gail's career and interactions with fans, this kind of move is far from unexpected. Is it "token"? To a degree, but only in that every new type of character reflecting comics readership is "token" until there are more of them. And given that the number of trans comic readers is a particularly low - and historically, very much in touch with Gail through her tumblr/twitter/etc. - this comes to mind as something of a "Huh, okay." moment to me. Does it matter to the story? Maybe, but not necessarily yet. Does it have to? No. Why would it?

Background characters are a valid place to have something beyond your generic random normal straight person, too. Just look at the hipster cops.

This is Gail being Gail, and I'm fine with that. Should it be controversial? No. Is it? ... I guess?

BTW: Greg Rucka is quoted in TFA saying that gay male characters on the cover would be something different? I think Midnighter and Apollo got that one covered.
 
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