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2013-04-11 05:52:10 AM
8 votes:

Charlie Freak: Oh well, fark sleep I guess. Interestingly, I just had a twinge of the anxiety I had as a child growing up in the Cold War. Just a little, but seriously, that shiat sucked. As I listen to my kids breathe right now (they crawl into our room damn near every night), I am thankful they never had to go through that mindfark. No kid should. End this old-school pseudo-commie bullshiat blow-up-the-world propaganda so we can get back to the slow morphine drip our banks feed us.


Every last person I grew up with in the 1980s was convinced that, one way or another, we were going to live to see the world come to an end, with the only question remaining being how much it was going to hurt and how long we would suffer before we finally died.  I got it from the teachers at school, I got it from my grandparents, I got it from my parents, my aunts and uncles, my friends. We watched The Day After, When the Wind Blows and Threads in school, because for some unholy reason, the administrators thought it would be a good idea.  My history teacher was a Rapture-believing holy roller--I was ten when I came home from school one day in a massive thunderstorm after we'd gotten a rant from her about Reagan being the Antichrist and how the rapture was imminent, found my house deserted and the power and phones off, and I actually freaked because I suddenly thought that the Rapture had come and I was one of the ones left.  I spent the next four hours in a dark corner crying for me and for my dogs (I'd been told that all animals would die over the next seven years) before someone finally showed up to get me--my grandfather had been taken to the hospital and in the asses-and-elbows confusion that followed no one had thought to write a note or come to check.

It wasn't until I actually became an adult that the fear went away, because I was actually just too farking tired of being afraid anymore.  Mostly.  When stories like this float up, that little ghost of a worm that those people left deep in my soul turns over in its sleep, and a small part of me still wonders if this is going to be what kicks off the End of Everything.  Like surviving a tornado--every time the wind blows and the pressure drops for years after that, you get this urge to head for the basement.

It never quite goes away completely, does it?
2013-04-10 11:22:12 PM
6 votes:
I can't believe people are even concerned about this bozo or his bottle rocket brigade. Bazaar.  It's almost as if he's part of an orchestrated  diversion.  I wonder what foxes are in whose hen house while the world focuses on this class clown.
2013-04-10 10:35:50 PM
4 votes:

crypticsatellite: nekom: Fingers crossed it explodes on the launch pad.

I still don't get the US stance of only shooting it down if it isn't going to hit water. Apparently, these missiles have been banned by agreement. Why let them collect data on a completed flight?


Why let them collect data on the efficacy of our anti-missile systems?
2013-04-11 06:07:31 AM
3 votes:

redsquid: PTSD on a generational scale.


I think that that's probably a fair description for many people. I know that after the fall of the USSR it doesn't get discussed much even though in reality the weapons and the targets remain the same, it was the tension that dropped. At least Putin isn't the type to bang a podium shouting "We will bury you!".
2013-04-11 03:13:51 AM
3 votes:

redsquid: When I was in 6th grade they showed The Day After on TV. If you're not familiar, this is intro enough- http://youtu.be/7VG2aJyIFrA
You can't imagine a more terrifying thing on TV for a kid. They actually had counselors come to the school the next day and spend time with each class discussing our feelings and fears.
I think that constant fear shaped our psyches for several generations and explains a lot of what makes us so crazy as a nation.


Ah, "The Day After" was the pussified American version. "Threads" was the hardcore one.
2013-04-11 02:20:21 AM
3 votes:
Oh well, fark sleep I guess. Interestingly, I just had a twinge of the anxiety I had as a child growing up in the Cold War. Just a little, but seriously, that shiat sucked. As I listen to my kids breathe right now (they crawl into our room damn near every night), I am thankful they never had to go through that mindfark. No kid should. End this old-school pseudo-commie bullshiat blow-up-the-world propaganda so we can get back to the slow morphine drip our banks feed us.
2013-04-10 11:51:57 PM
3 votes:
s24.postimg.org Come at U.S. Bro
2013-04-10 10:39:00 PM
3 votes:

BrieBelle00:
I believe the "Duck and Cover" method works equally as well for nuclear fallout as it does for flowing rivers of lava.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x353]


That episode was about 15 years ago. That fact is scarier to me than anything best Korea could ever say.
2013-04-10 10:18:10 PM
3 votes:
Damn I was really confused for a second. "Norks" not "Snorks"
25.media.tumblr.com
2013-04-11 05:31:12 AM
2 votes:

gadian: Radioactive Ass: miss diminutive:

Almost any 'B' movie from 68-77 and even some of the 'A' movies from that time period.

Watch them and revel in just how bad, yet so good, they really are.

What I can't get around in 70's movies is the grainy, green or yellow tinted film.  Maybe it's not tinted and I just see a green or yellow hue.  I know for some reason you old people (heh) were all hip on earthy browns, puke yellow, and avacado / sick puss green, but why was the film like that?  It's awful and while I'm sure there are some pretty awesome movies I'm missing out on, once I see that film, I just...can't.  Earlier decades didn't have film like that.


One of the reasons for that is poor conservation. Most arthouse and B movies from this period were not properly stored or the originals were lost so the only copies are from reels that were actually distributed and thus scratched, worn and generally abused. Some of these films were never released on video so the only copies are ripped from 3rd generation VHS tapes of late night TV broadcasts or amateur film transfers. I think the grainy washed out look adds to the charm, but it's probably just nostalgia for Saturday afternoons spent watching Dr. Paul Bearer's Creature Feature on TV.
2013-04-11 05:01:57 AM
2 votes:

that bosnian sniper: redsquid: When I was in 6th grade they showed The Day After on TV. If you're not familiar, this is intro enough- http://youtu.be/7VG2aJyIFrA
You can't imagine a more terrifying thing on TV for a kid. They actually had counselors come to the school the next day and spend time with each class discussing our feelings and fears.
I think that constant fear shaped our psyches for several generations and explains a lot of what makes us so crazy as a nation.

Ah, "The Day After" was the pussified American version. "Threads" was the hardcore one.


Just thinking about watching Threads again has me horrified. I saw it when I was twelve and never again. And yes, I do remember Anne Sellors' performance.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1856457/

/actually, the standout memory for me was a scene in which a man collapses and dies while sitting and playing a handheld electronic game, completely isolated and lost and it's like seeing my own death on screen, I played those games too and IT GIVES ME CHILLS.
2013-04-11 04:29:53 AM
2 votes:

miss diminutive: LavenderWolf: miss diminutive: J. Frank Parnell: Even if the thousands of nukes out there were all used at once, it would be pretty anti-climactic.

Well, except for that whole nuclear winter thing.

Humankind is exceptionally good at surviving.

You only need maybe 10,000 - 20,000 people to ensure the survival of the species (I'm not an expert on that, or anything really but remember reading somewhere that our entire population is estimate to have come from about 10,000 breeding pairs). That still leaves a lot of people out in the cold.

LavenderWolf: Individually, perhaps not as good, but as a species, none compare.

I bet there are some bacteria that would probably disagree with that.


Survival of the species and survival of civilization and culture are two completely different things. Check out Earth Abides by George R. Stewart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Abides With numbers like that, spread all across the globe and cut off from the technologies they depend on, education of the youth and preservation of knowledge become secondary at best. The film Glen and Randa presents this future pretty well http://youtu.be/Lh1WIFG4i0M
2013-04-11 03:22:48 AM
2 votes:

redsquid: When I was in 6th grade they showed The Day After on TV. If you're not familiar, this is intro enough- http://youtu.be/7VG2aJyIFrA
You can't imagine a more terrifying thing on TV for a kid. They actually had counselors come to the school the next day and spend time with each class discussing our feelings and fears.
I think that constant fear shaped our psyches for several generations and explains a lot of what makes us so crazy as a nation.


They aired that here in Canada, in what must have been the early 90's, and it screwed up my sister. Looking back, it was completely over the top fearmongering. You'll frequently see me mentioning how nukes aren't nearly as powerful as hollywood makes them out to be, and that is a perfect example.

For anyone who didn't catch any of my rants, the nuke dropped in hiroshima only did heavy damage in a one mile radius, to wooden buildings. Even much larger ones would be far less effective on modern concrete and steel buildings. Even if the thousands of nukes out there were all used at once, it would be pretty anti-climactic. Would be far simpler to just use conventional explosives if you wanted to destroy stuff. The only unique threat they bring on the modern battlefield is as an EMP weapon, which is what you'll most likely see them used for if they're used at all when this conflict finally happens.
2013-04-11 03:06:09 AM
2 votes:

Pichu0102: miss diminutive: dai the flu: Plot twist: North Korea launches on China. finds out it's been dead all along.

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That would be pretty weird. Imagine waking up one day and everyone in North Korea is just... gone. No trace. People go in to find out what happened, and find out all evidence points to that everyone actually vanished 20 years ago.


You know, that would actually make for a good Doctor Who episode. The reason why North Korea looks like its been in a time warp IS because its been in an actual time warp. Kim Jong-Un is actually a Dalek in disguise, which explains why he's so fat. The Doctor fixes everything, and North Korea goes back to 1970. However, everyone wakes up to there being no North Korea, yet still remembers it, so at some point, North Korea ceased to exist between 1970 and now. Wibbly wobbly timey wimey season finale stuff ensues.
2013-04-11 03:00:13 AM
2 votes:

miss diminutive: Charlie Freak: Oh well, fark sleep I guess. Interestingly, I just had a twinge of the anxiety I had as a child growing up in the Cold War. Just a little, but seriously, that shiat sucked. As I listen to my kids breathe right now (they crawl into our room damn near every night), I am thankful they never had to go through that mindfark. No kid should. End this old-school pseudo-commie bullshiat blow-up-the-world propaganda so we can get back to the slow morphine drip our banks feed us.

This whole situation is something completely new to me, and I think it's given me a better understanding about when my parents talk about learning duck and cover drills in school and dealing with potential imminent annihilation on a constant basis. Of course, the current situation is probably only a shadow of what things were in the past, but the idea that the world could be plunged into nuclear war because of the actions of a few backwards fanatics in some small country around the world is something I've never experience (having been born right at the end of the Cold War).

I honestly don't think this is anything more than an exercise in sabre-rattling, but the fact that we honestly could jeopardize everything we've worked, and fought and strived for since the beginning over some strip of farking land on some speck of dust rock in some cosmic backwater is just so insanely stupid.


When I was in 6th grade they showed The Day After on TV. If you're not familiar, this is intro enough- http://youtu.be/7VG2aJyIFrA
You can't imagine a more terrifying thing on TV for a kid. They actually had counselors come to the school the next day and spend time with each class discussing our feelings and fears.
I think that constant fear shaped our psyches for several generations and explains a lot of what makes us so crazy as a nation.
2013-04-11 02:02:09 AM
2 votes:

vygramul: Radioactive Ass: vygramul: Not sure what with. That would be quite a revelation.

They do have Aegis ships with SM3's in addition to the lower range Patriots.

Neither of which are particularly useful against an ICBM.


The Musudan is not an ICBM.
2013-04-11 02:00:59 AM
2 votes:
Just who the Hell is in charge over there?  Methinks its not the rotund fellow they say is in charge.
2013-04-11 01:47:09 AM
2 votes:

vygramul: Gdalescrboz: Rincewind53 2013-04-10 10:15:09 PM
scottydoesntknow: Farking hell.
Oh please. They're not going to do jack shiat other than conduct another stupid missile test. They're not attacking anyone.

Except Japan said they would shoot it down even if it's a test

Not sure what with. That would be quite a revelation.


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2013-04-11 01:37:18 AM
2 votes:

Canton: I've never had kimchi,


It's good. Nothing like sour kraut. Imagine thick cut cole slaw cabbage with hot sauce instead of mayonaise as the base of the sauce. It's cold, a little spicy, and crunchy.

By itself it's kind of shiat. But when you're eating REALLY spicy foods? Oh man it's outta this world. It cools ya right down.
2013-04-11 01:22:00 AM
2 votes:

AGremlin: If this goes down, and US forces kick Nork butt up past the parallel again...shouldn't we start getting substantial discounts on Kias and Hyundais from now on?  Hell, for that matter, all South Korean products.


Do we really need discounts on them, they are cheap already. My spare car is an 02 Accent, it's my winter mobile so I don't shiat up my nicer vehicle. Best heater in any car I have ever owned. You can tell it gets nuts freezing cold there. Thing is like farking Legolas on snow and ice too.
2013-04-11 01:05:04 AM
2 votes:
If I'm the ocean, I'm getting pretty worried right about now.
2013-04-11 01:01:35 AM
2 votes:
i781.photobucket.com
2013-04-11 01:00:59 AM
2 votes:
Well, boys, it looks like Eisenhower only delayed the US using our nukes on Asians again.

I hope the survivors of all-out, escalated nuclear warfare remember that  America's people--not her government and not her corporations--were in the end decent people for the most part. We quite often took far too long to realize our errors and modify our behavior.

Enjoy the glow, the warmth, and the sloughing off of dead, burned skin. It sure was a beautiful place till we kept banging out babies.

God Save Mrs. Ethel Shroake, of 393A High Street, Leytonstone
2013-04-11 01:00:07 AM
2 votes:
So is NK going to finally shiat or get off the pot? I'm so fed up with waiting for them to commit suicide by carpet bombing  I'm ready to invade.
2013-04-11 12:56:26 AM
2 votes:

armor helix: My only hope is that the the US does not end up getting involved in this nonsense.


...END UP involved?

This whole mess has been pointed at us from the very start.
2013-04-11 12:55:41 AM
2 votes:
My only hope is that the the US does not end up getting involved in this nonsense.
2013-04-10 11:07:43 PM
2 votes:

BrieBelle00: doglover: nekom: BrieBelle00:
I believe the "Duck and Cover" method works equally as well for nuclear fallout as it does for flowing rivers of lava.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x353]

That episode was about 15 years ago. That fact is scarier to me than anything best Korea could ever say.

We old.

:(

Holy christ, I didn't realize it was  that long ago! I'd have only been 15 for about 2 months when this originally aired :-|


And if you think THAT makes you feel old, I can assure you that it only accelerates from this point forward.
Prepare to become your parents.
2013-04-10 10:42:14 PM
2 votes:

nekom: BrieBelle00:
I believe the "Duck and Cover" method works equally as well for nuclear fallout as it does for flowing rivers of lava.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x353]

That episode was about 15 years ago. That fact is scarier to me than anything best Korea could ever say.


We old.

:(
2013-04-10 10:15:09 PM
2 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Farking hell.


Oh please. They're not going to do jack shiat other than conduct another stupid missile test. They're not attacking anyone.
2013-04-10 10:13:45 PM
2 votes:
www.godlikeproductions.com
2013-04-11 08:50:33 PM
1 votes:
Smirky the Wonder Chimp: the crippling fear we did not ask for...

Tell it, Brother, Tell it.
2013-04-11 01:32:16 PM
1 votes:

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Charlie Freak: Oh well, fark sleep I guess. Interestingly, I just had a twinge of the anxiety I had as a child growing up in the Cold War. Just a little, but seriously, that shiat sucked. As I listen to my kids breathe right now (they crawl into our room damn near every night), I am thankful they never had to go through that mindfark. No kid should. End this old-school pseudo-commie bullshiat blow-up-the-world propaganda so we can get back to the slow morphine drip our banks feed us.

Every last person I grew up with in the 1980s was convinced that, one way or another, we were going to live to see the world come to an end, with the only question remaining being how much it was going to hurt and how long we would suffer before we finally died.  I got it from the teachers at school, I got it from my grandparents, I got it from my parents, my aunts and uncles, my friends. We watched The Day After, When the Wind Blows and Threads in school, because for some unholy reason, the administrators thought it would be a good idea.  My history teacher was a Rapture-believing holy roller--I was ten when I came home from school one day in a massive thunderstorm after we'd gotten a rant from her about Reagan being the Antichrist and how the rapture was imminent, found my house deserted and the power and phones off, and I actually freaked because I suddenly thought that the Rapture had come and I was one of the ones left.  I spent the next four hours in a dark corner crying for me and for my dogs (I'd been told that all animals would die over the next seven years) before someone finally showed up to get me--my grandfather had been taken to the hospital and in the asses-and-elbows confusion that followed no one had thought to write a note or come to check.

It wasn't until I actually became an adult that the fear went away, because I was actually just too farking tired of being afraid anymore.  Mostly.  When stories like this float up, that little ghost of a worm that those people le ...





And people wonder why we genXers don't give a fark. You boomer bastards farked up farking, drugs, and the economy, then told us we had nothing to live for. FFffffffffaaaaaarrrk you!
2013-04-11 12:21:50 PM
1 votes:

White_Scarf_Syndrome: I'm really not sure about the corrosive properties of liquid oxygen and hydrogen, but a quick check of the MSDS for each would answer it. I'd say the bigger problem is that the fuel is literally boiling away.


Yeah, you don't want to use cryogenic liquids for anything that has to be on standby for a long time. Those liquid fuels are generally some form of hydrazine with dinitrogen tetroxide or inhibited fuming nitric acid. The book "Ignition" by John D. Clark is worth reading if you have any interest in the subject.
2013-04-11 12:01:44 PM
1 votes:

Lollipop165: Don't NK and Japan have (compared to the US) a relatively placid relationship? I know there are Japanese nationals in NK. Why would they try to hit them?


Given the history of comfort women and NK kidnapping Japanese nationals, a problem only resolved, to some degree, in 2002, I'd say that not enough time has passed to make that relationship placid.
2013-04-11 11:23:15 AM
1 votes:
Smirky The Wonder Chimp: "My history teacher was a Rapture-believing holy roller... a rant from her about Reagan being the Antichrist"

So much for "Fusion Paranoia" being a product of our modern times...
2013-04-11 11:15:15 AM
1 votes:

pippi longstocking: These guys are idiots, they think with these threats they're going to get more international aid? No one really thinks that they have the capabilities of doing jack shiat. Only a moron would be afraid of them.


that's not the point. Un needs to keep the military from staging a coup against him, so he's getting shiat to look real enough that the people get behind him and make it impossible to be removed in a coup without having the populace turn on the military.

that or he's looking for a way out and needs to piss everyone off to get Korea unified again
2013-04-11 08:59:05 AM
1 votes:

MythDragon: [www.blogcdn.com image 584x252]

Little does Fatty Ding-dongs know about our Super missle defense system


i183.photobucket.com
I thought Death Blossom was a measure of last resort?
2013-04-11 08:27:54 AM
1 votes:
And also...  What makes anyone think that the United States would ALLOW china to take out north korea?  we did not invade, fight the norks and the chinese, and then station troops along the border for over 50 years just to have china swoop in at the last minute.
2013-04-11 07:43:41 AM
1 votes:

neongoats: Canton: doglover: Canton: I've never had kimchi,

It's good. Nothing like sour kraut. Imagine thick cut cole slaw cabbage with hot sauce instead of mayonaise as the base of the sauce. It's cold, a little spicy, and crunchy.

By itself it's kind of shiat. But when you're eating REALLY spicy foods? Oh man it's outta this world. It cools ya right down.

Okay, that does sound good. I shall go to bed dreaming of cabbage rather than global thermonuclear war. Thanks for that.

/Has read  Alas, Babylon a few too many times...

Think of barbecued armadillo caught by your trusty dachshund to go with your post-nuclear kimchi.


Heh. Radioactive mutant armadillo?

/Post-nuclear zoos would be... interesting.
//We are still here.
///Not shocked.
2013-04-11 06:56:29 AM
1 votes:

Bontesla: Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.

Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention


Except Un is both young and inexperienced. We don't know who's calling the shots this time, but since it has a different feel compared to past posturing I'd say Un is at the helm and is mucking it up.
2013-04-11 06:53:40 AM
1 votes:

Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.


Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention
Juc
2013-04-11 06:03:33 AM
1 votes:
I wouldn't worry if you're in austin, their rockets are unlikely to get anywhere remotely near there
2013-04-11 05:54:55 AM
1 votes:

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Charlie Freak: Oh well, fark sleep I guess. Interestingly, I just had a twinge of the anxiety I had as a child growing up in the Cold War. Just a little, but seriously, that shiat sucked. As I listen to my kids breathe right now (they crawl into our room damn near every night), I am thankful they never had to go through that mindfark. No kid should. End this old-school pseudo-commie bullshiat blow-up-the-world propaganda so we can get back to the slow morphine drip our banks feed us.

Every last person I grew up with in the 1980s was convinced that, one way or another, we were going to live to see the world come to an end, with the only question remaining being how much it was going to hurt and how long we would suffer before we finally died.  I got it from the teachers at school, I got it from my grandparents, I got it from my parents, my aunts and uncles, my friends. We watched The Day After, When the Wind Blows and Threads in school, because for some unholy reason, the administrators thought it would be a good idea.  My history teacher was a Rapture-believing holy roller--I was ten when I came home from school one day in a massive thunderstorm after we'd gotten a rant from her about Reagan being the Antichrist and how the rapture was imminent, found my house deserted and the power and phones off, and I actually freaked because I suddenly thought that the Rapture had come and I was one of the ones left.  I spent the next four hours in a dark corner crying for me and for my dogs (I'd been told that all animals would die over the next seven years) before someone finally showed up to get me--my grandfather had been taken to the hospital and in the asses-and-elbows confusion that followed no one had thought to write a note or come to check.

It wasn't until I actually became an adult that the fear went away, because I was actually just too farking tired of being afraid anymore.  Mostly.  When stories like this float up, that little ghost of a worm that those people le ...


PTSD on a generational scale.
2013-04-11 05:52:07 AM
1 votes:

Danger Avoid Death: Radioactive Ass: gadian: What I can't get around in 70's movies is the grainy, green or yellow tinted film. Maybe it's not tinted and I just see a green or yellow hue. I know for some reason you old people (heh) were all hip on earthy browns, puke yellow, and avacado / sick puss green, but why was the film like that? It's awful and while I'm sure there are some pretty awesome movies I'm missing out on, once I see that film, I just...can't. Earlier decades didn't have film like that.

They were filmed on cheap stock (B movies you know, like made on the cheap for some fast cash) and not preserved. When they first shown (I saw a few of them before they went bad) they didn't look like that. You really need to look past that and revel in the glory of their cheesy badness.

Hobo with a shotgun, Machete, Nude nuns with big guns. Watch those to get a feel for the genre without the bad color.

I just wish I could watch some of those movies the way I remember first watching them, the way they were meant to be watched: full of ludes and Boone's Farm at a drive-in. Sadly, there are none of those left around here anymore.


FTFus
2013-04-11 05:45:11 AM
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: gadian: What I can't get around in 70's movies is the grainy, green or yellow tinted film. Maybe it's not tinted and I just see a green or yellow hue. I know for some reason you old people (heh) were all hip on earthy browns, puke yellow, and avacado / sick puss green, but why was the film like that? It's awful and while I'm sure there are some pretty awesome movies I'm missing out on, once I see that film, I just...can't. Earlier decades didn't have film like that.

They were filmed on cheap stock (B movies you know, like made on the cheap for some fast cash) and not preserved. When they first shown (I saw a few of them before they went bad) they didn't look like that. You really need to look past that and revel in the glory of their cheesy badness.

Hobo with a shotgun, Machete, Nude nuns with big guns. Watch those to get a feel for the genre without the bad color.


I just wish I could watch some of those movies the way I remember first watching them, the way they were meant to be watched: at a drive-in. Sadly, there are none of those left around here anymore.
2013-04-11 05:40:13 AM
1 votes:

gadian: What I can't get around in 70's movies is the grainy, green or yellow tinted film. Maybe it's not tinted and I just see a green or yellow hue. I know for some reason you old people (heh) were all hip on earthy browns, puke yellow, and avacado / sick puss green, but why was the film like that? It's awful and while I'm sure there are some pretty awesome movies I'm missing out on, once I see that film, I just...can't. Earlier decades didn't have film like that.


They were filmed on cheap stock (B movies you know, like made on the cheap for some fast cash) and not preserved. When they first shown (I saw a few of them before they went bad) they didn't look like that. You really need to look past that and revel in the glory of their cheesy badness.

Hobo with a shotgun, Machete, Nude nuns with big guns. Watch those to get a feel for the genre without the bad color.
2013-04-11 05:11:28 AM
1 votes:

redsquid: Radioactive Ass: miss diminutive: That trailer had probably the most bizarre and annoying music I've ever heard.

Was everyone in the early 70s deaf from Woodstock or was every director just trying to give their audiences migraines?

You kids and your "Production values". Back then we had crappy movies and we liked it that way. Sexploitation, Blacksploitation, goresploitation whatever. You name it, we exploited it. The whippersnapper Tarantino exploited our exploitation and he got rich off of it and people bought it as something "New". Nope, we invented that shiat back in the 70's. Some of it got shelved in the time machine but if you look you can still find a lot of them. And many are still funny as hell to watch today just in how badly made they were.


Amazon Women From Mars
Bloodsucking Freaks
BoobTube
Kentucky Fried Movie

Almost any 'B' movie from 68-77 and even some of the 'A' movies from that time period.

Watch them and revel in just how bad, yet so good, they really are.

Groove Tube! I remember seeing the first few minutes of that at the drive in until the boobs came out and mom made me go to sleep. Bonus- it has Richard Belzer in black face drag playing a prostitute in one of the sketches.


It sounds like a USA channel "Up all night" movie line up circa 1993.
2013-04-11 05:09:59 AM
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Radioactive Ass: miss diminutive:

Almost any 'B' movie from 68-77 and even some of the 'A' movies from that time period.

Watch them and revel in just how bad, yet so good, they really are.


What I can't get around in 70's movies is the grainy, green or yellow tinted film.  Maybe it's not tinted and I just see a green or yellow hue.  I know for some reason you old people (heh) were all hip on earthy browns, puke yellow, and avacado / sick puss green, but why was the film like that?  It's awful and while I'm sure there are some pretty awesome movies I'm missing out on, once I see that film, I just...can't.  Earlier decades didn't have film like that.
2013-04-11 05:09:54 AM
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redsquid: TheShavingofOccam123: Well, boys, it looks like Eisenhower only delayed the US using our nukes on Asians again.

I hope the survivors of all-out, escalated nuclear warfare remember that  America's people--not her government and not her corporations--were in the end decent people for the most part. We quite often took far too long to realize our errors and modify our behavior.

Enjoy the glow, the warmth, and the sloughing off of dead, burned skin. It sure was a beautiful place till we kept banging out babies.

God Save Mrs. Ethel Shroake, of 393A High Street, Leytonstone

OK I love you now. Gonna watch that as soon as A Boy and His Dog ends!




Hopefully, the Norkpocalypse will have as fine a soundtrack as this work of art.
2013-04-11 05:09:06 AM
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neongoats: Are you countering my point, or just nitpicking my hyperbole?


Mostly the hyperbole. Though, I think the ability to adapt by way of the use of tools (which very efficiently produce better tools) and the protection from predators afforded by weaponry and societal grouping have fairly well placed us ahead of the curve. It ought to be measured by a different metric though, than other species, as a result.

As long as we don't kill ourselves with those tools we should be good to go.
2013-04-11 05:05:50 AM
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Radioactive Ass: miss diminutive: That trailer had probably the most bizarre and annoying music I've ever heard.

Was everyone in the early 70s deaf from Woodstock or was every director just trying to give their audiences migraines?

You kids and your "Production values". Back then we had crappy movies and we liked it that way. Sexploitation, Blacksploitation, goresploitation whatever. You name it, we exploited it. The whippersnapper Tarantino exploited our exploitation and he got rich off of it and people bought it as something "New". Nope, we invented that shiat back in the 70's. Some of it got shelved in the time machine but if you look you can still find a lot of them. And many are still funny as hell to watch today just in how badly made they were.


Amazon Women From Mars
Bloodsucking Freaks
BoobTube
Kentucky Fried Movie

Almost any 'B' movie from 68-77 and even some of the 'A' movies from that time period.

Watch them and revel in just how bad, yet so good, they really are.


Groove Tube! I remember seeing the first few minutes of that at the drive in until the boobs came out and mom made me go to sleep. Bonus- it has Richard Belzer in black face drag playing a prostitute in one of the sketches.
2013-04-11 05:03:04 AM
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Opps, Amazon Women on the Moon.
2013-04-11 05:02:19 AM
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awalkingecho: neongoats: We've been sentient for a few thousand years, and here you are, proclaiming us the ultimate survivor species.

I'd like to know what your definition of sentient is, and your definition of 'few', because one of them or the other is wrong.


Are you countering my point, or just nitpicking my hyperbole?
2013-04-11 04:59:39 AM
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miss diminutive: That trailer had probably the most bizarre and annoying music I've ever heard.

Was everyone in the early 70s deaf from Woodstock or was every director just trying to give their audiences migraines?


You kids and your "Production values". Back then we had crappy movies and we liked it that way. Sexploitation, Blacksploitation, goresploitation whatever. You name it, we exploited it. The whippersnapper Tarantino exploited our exploitation and he got rich off of it and people bought it as something "New". Nope, we invented that shiat back in the 70's. Some of it got shelved in the time machine but if you look you can still find a lot of them. And many are still funny as hell to watch today just in how badly made they were.


Amazon Women From Mars
Bloodsucking Freaks
BoobTube
Kentucky Fried Movie

Almost any 'B' movie from 68-77 and even some of the 'A' movies from that time period.

Watch them and revel in just how bad, yet so good, they really are.
2013-04-11 04:58:10 AM
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miss diminutive: redsquid: Survival of the species and survival of civilization and culture are two completely different things. Check out Earth Abides by George R. Stewart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Abides With numbers like that, spread all across the globe and cut off from the technologies they depend on, education of the youth and preservation of knowledge become secondary at best. The film Glen and Randa presents this future pretty well http://youtu.be/Lh1WIFG4i0M

That trailer had probably the most bizarre and annoying music I've ever heard.

Was everyone in the early 70s deaf from Woodstock or was every director just trying to give their audiences migraines?


The movie itself has no music at all except for 'Time Is On My Side' by the Beatles played on a broken record player during the old man's performance. It was some weird marketing thing in the 70's to add weird psychedelic noises to movie trailers to attract the young acid crowd. I love that stuff (the music- not acid) but I'm weird.
2013-04-11 04:57:55 AM
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t.qkme.me
2013-04-11 04:47:12 AM
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redsquid: Survival of the species and survival of civilization and culture are two completely different things. Check out Earth Abides by George R. Stewart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Abides With numbers like that, spread all across the globe and cut off from the technologies they depend on, education of the youth and preservation of knowledge become secondary at best. The film Glen and Randa presents this future pretty well http://youtu.be/Lh1WIFG4i0M


That trailer had probably the most bizarre and annoying music I've ever heard.

Was everyone in the early 70s deaf from Woodstock or was every director just trying to give their audiences migraines?
2013-04-11 04:32:05 AM
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Abacus9: Sorry, it looks like I was wrong. I tried looking up the Best Korea meme, and also Team America, but I can't find one referencing the other anywhere. I think since North Korea threads tend to reference both, I naturally put two and two together and came up with three (and I never even saw the movie).


The Best Korea meme started about 7 years ago or so when Kim Mark II was making internal propaganda (photoshopped) that had him standing in beautiful fields of alpine flowers or whatever and so on while he was depicting South Korea as a capitalist wasteland. Best Korea, Worst Korea.
2013-04-11 04:28:28 AM
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gadian: You know, I guess I just don't have the good ol' American appreciation for a Cold War and ceaseless fear and paranoia.  North Korea is nothing that can do nothing.  If they even seriously tried there would be a quick execution of a fat man and a new Chinese speaking regime propped up in a matter of days.


totally like night of the comet
2013-04-11 04:27:00 AM
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miss diminutive: J. Frank Parnell: That's always been pretty questionable. Kind of like the fears about how the first nuke detonation might ignite the atmosphere of Earth. You might see a slight temperature change in some areas after, but again, i don't think it would live up to the hype. Just more of the fearmongering and exaggeration that's surrounded nukes from the start.

Are you basing this on anything more substantial than your gut reaction and supposition? Because this peer reviewed article using climate models used to analyze temperature changes due to volcanic eruptions seems to think that it'll be a little worse than that.

Like, as in a LOT worse than that.


Woops. Meant to say your source is behind a paywall, have a copy you could inbox me?
2013-04-11 04:25:44 AM
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miss diminutive: J. Frank Parnell: That's always been pretty questionable. Kind of like the fears about how the first nuke detonation might ignite the atmosphere of Earth. You might see a slight temperature change in some areas after, but again, i don't think it would live up to the hype. Just more of the fearmongering and exaggeration that's surrounded nukes from the start.

Are you basing this on anything more substantial than your gut reaction and supposition? Because this peer reviewed article using climate models used to analyze temperature changes due to volcanic eruptions seems to think that it'll be a little worse than that.

Like, as in a LOT worse than that.

2013-04-11 04:24:17 AM
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This is one of the few times I'll admit this, but Stratfor has the situation pegged.  NoKo is riding the line between too harmless to be worth destroying, too crazy and unpredictable to risk pissing off, and refusing to negotiate.  It's like a tiny dog that won't stop yipping - it knows it can't fight, so it has to act unhinged.
2013-04-11 04:22:16 AM
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Charlie Freak: redsquid:

Haha, wow, that would have done it for me as well. There would have been a pile of poop on the floor and little me firmly clinging to the ceiling above. They tested the sirens in my town once in a blue moon and I had never really heard them go off until one day in fifth grade while we were out at recess. Any respect my friends had for me up until that point had to have vanished.

I moved to Oahu days before the September 11th attacks. About three weeks later I'm sitting in my apartment when I heard THE SOUND. I freaked out. I didn't have cable hooked up so I put on my mask and ran upstairs to ask the landlord's Filipino trophy wife if she knew what was going on. She took one look at the weird haole in the gas mask and started cracking up. She finally managed to stop laughing at me and tell me that it was just the monthly tsunami warning test.
2013-04-11 04:18:27 AM
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Charlie Freak: The direct threat from N Korea worries me not, either. I've just learned to expect that when I'm ready for the geopolitical world to zig, it zags. It never goes as all the propaganda and hype predict. And being an information addict, thanks mostly to this type of situation, well, here I am. What capitals/military bases, may I ask?


In California and Alaska.
2013-04-11 04:17:48 AM
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ShawnDoc: Abacus9: Myria: Where does the Best Korea / Worst Korea meme come from?

Team America: World Police

Did Team America give us Best Korea?  I know they gave us "So Ronery", but I thought Best Korea was mocking the over the top colorful language used by official North Korean press statements.


Sorry, it looks like I was wrong. I tried looking up the Best Korea meme, and also Team America, but I can't find one referencing the other anywhere. I think since North Korea threads tend to reference both, I naturally put two and two together and came up with three (and I never even saw the movie).
2013-04-11 04:11:00 AM
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ThisIsNotSubtle: My nuclear nightmare fodder was 'After the Bomb' by Gloria Miklowitz. I'm sure if I reread it now I'd find it laughable; but as an overly imaginative ten-year-old? Not fun.


I'd think around10 would have to be one of the most impressionable ages for that kind of thought, especially in boys. 7-8 is too young to really grasp the gravity of the situation, and as a teen you're too busy dealing with hormones. I'd search the webs for studies done to that effect, but I'm too tired.
2013-04-11 04:07:25 AM
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Charlie Freak: Haha, wow, that would have done it for me as well. There would have been a pile of poop on the floor and little me firmly clinging to the ceiling above. They tested the sirens in my town once in a blue moon and I had never really heard them go off until one day in fifth grade while we were out at recess. Any respect my friends had for me up until that point had to have vanished.


Every Wednesday at noon when I was a kid, like clockwork. It got so that we all just ignored it and kept on playing (or knew that it was getting close to lunchtime and headed home to eat).
2013-04-11 04:06:36 AM
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Shadow Blasko: Notabunny: armor helix: My only hope is that the the US does not end up getting involved in this nonsense.

NK will bomb Japan before dawn. NK has had an uncontrollable solanum infection crisis for the last few months. They've hidden as many healthy citizens as possible in underground tunnels, but the infected on the surface have grown exponentially and to such an extent that the military is being overwhelmed. Bombing Japan will trigger a military response from the US. NK's hope is that the US response will eliminate the walking infected so the healthy citizens can return to the surface.

Did you just combine WWZ and Day by day Armageddon?


Mmmaaaaaaybe...
2013-04-11 04:05:46 AM
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LavenderWolf: miss diminutive: J. Frank Parnell: Even if the thousands of nukes out there were all used at once, it would be pretty anti-climactic.

Well, except for that whole nuclear winter thing.

Humankind is exceptionally good at surviving.


You only need maybe 10,000 - 20,000 people to ensure the survival of the species (I'm not an expert on that, or anything really but remember reading somewhere that our entire population is estimate to have come from about 10,000 breeding pairs). That still leaves a lot of people out in the cold.

LavenderWolf: Individually, perhaps not as good, but as a species, none compare.


I bet there are some bacteria that would probably disagree with that.
2013-04-11 04:04:35 AM
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redsquid: Charlie Freak: redsquid: that bosnian sniper: redsquid: When I was in 6th grade they showed The Day After on TV. If you're not familiar, this is intro enough- http://youtu.be/7VG2aJyIFrA
You can't imagine a more terrifying thing on TV for a kid. They actually had counselors come to the school the next day and spend time with each class discussing our feelings and fears.
I think that constant fear shaped our psyches for several generations and explains a lot of what makes us so crazy as a nation.

Ah, "The Day After" was the pussified American version. "Threads" was the hardcore one.

Thankfully I didn't see that until years later. I saw Testament on PBS back then and it was very emotionally traumatizing. Then I saw A Boy and His Dog and Road Warrior and everything changed.

The one that got me was "Countdown to Looking Glass." My mom was watching it on HBO late one night and I thought it was really happening (it's acted out as a real breaking news report). It took a LOT of convincing to bring me down. I was around 9 or 10 at the time. Slept with my windows open for the next few years so I could hear the sirens if they went off. Also listened to nothing but AM news radio. shiat, that totally explains my addiction to FARK, not joking.

I remember one Christmas eve at my Dad's house when I was probably 12 or 13. I was laying in bed and I heard that far off siren sound, not like a cop car but like the intro to War Pigs. Then I heard a car down the block peel out. I freaked out. I just knew people were starting to evacuate. I ran into my Dad's room screaming. He had to turn on the TV and radio to convince me that everything was alright. It turns out it was the alarm from the mental hospital a mile away. (Somehow escaped mental patients were a relief)
I know a guy who believes that the whole history of nuclear weapons is just an elaborate series of rituals to create and harvest fear by the Illuminati. There was a time I may have agreed.


Haha, wow, that would have done it for me as well. There would have been a pile of poop on the floor and little me firmly clinging to the ceiling above. They tested the sirens in my town once in a blue moon and I had never really heard them go off until one day in fifth grade while we were out at recess. Any respect my friends had for me up until that point had to have vanished.
2013-04-11 04:00:41 AM
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J. Frank Parnell: That's always been pretty questionable. Kind of like the fears about how the first nuke detonation might ignite the atmosphere of Earth. You might see a slight temperature change in some areas after, but again, i don't think it would live up to the hype. Just more of the fearmongering and exaggeration that's surrounded nukes from the start.


Locally in the 5,000 degree range...

/sorry couldn't help it.

Ed Grubermann: Every city I've ever lived in had a Soviet missile pointed at it. I've lived in state capitals, near military bases, and in the deepest inland seaport in the US. This candyass shiat from Kim Jun Fat Ass doesn't begin to scare me.


Same here. Hell, at one point I was one of the guys aiming back at them. They don't worry me all that much like the USSR did back in the day and I live in one of the purported "Target" areas of Lil Kim if his longest range missiles even did work.
2013-04-11 03:49:59 AM
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miss diminutive: Charlie Freak: Oh well, fark sleep I guess. Interestingly, I just had a twinge of the anxiety I had as a child growing up in the Cold War. Just a little, but seriously, that shiat sucked. As I listen to my kids breathe right now (they crawl into our room damn near every night), I am thankful they never had to go through that mindfark. No kid should. End this old-school pseudo-commie bullshiat blow-up-the-world propaganda so we can get back to the slow morphine drip our banks feed us.

This whole situation is something completely new to me, and I think it's given me a better understanding about when my parents talk about learning duck and cover drills in school and dealing with potential imminent annihilation on a constant basis.


Every city I've ever lived in had a Soviet missile pointed at it. I've lived in state capitals, near military bases, and in the deepest inland seaport in the US. This candyass shiat from Kim Jun Fat Ass doesn't begin to scare me.
2013-04-11 03:47:55 AM
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Abacus9: Myria: Where does the Best Korea / Worst Korea meme come from?

Team America: World Police


Did Team America give us Best Korea?  I know they gave us "So Ronery", but I thought Best Korea was mocking the over the top colorful language used by official North Korean press statements.
2013-04-11 03:26:27 AM
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Charlie Freak: It's very much a shadow of the threat, but we all grew up with the idea that if one "red" nuclear-armed country gets into a shooting war, then we all do. I think that old line of thought and the fear that if the balloon goes up everybody will just start shooting is what is keeping me up tonight, even though it's extremely unlikely. It's interesting conversing with people who have no memory of the Cold War - you cannot believe the impact that had on our culture.


I believe that. Even the concept of communism probably has a very different meaning for me than it does for people of your generation. For me it was some antiquated thing I read about, like a loom or an ironclad, and was mainly the butt of jokes or scorn, not some menace that stood in direct opposition to Western power and threatened our very existence. Today, when I think of communism I think of starving North Koreans or Cubans driving 1950s Cadillacs.

redsquid: When I was in 6th grade they showed The Day After on TV. If you're not familiar, this is intro enough- http://youtu.be/7VG2aJyIFrA
You can't imagine a more terrifying thing on TV for a kid. They actually had counselors come to the school the next day and spend time with each class discussing our feelings and fears.
I think that constant fear shaped our psyches for several generations and explains a lot of what makes us so crazy as a nation.


Yeah, I could see that as being solid nightmare fuel. When I was a kid (maybe 8 or so) I remember watching Waterworld at a friends birthday party. It wasn't exactly disturbing, but I actually started hoarding food, toys and stuffed animals and putting them in the canoe we kept in our garage, just in case our neighbourhood ended up underwater. I remember the wtf moment when my dad discovered my stash when he was spring cleaning (apparently the concept of non-perishable food hadn't crossed my mind, so it was filled with expired yogurt and fruit roll-ups)
2013-04-11 03:24:05 AM
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I'm with the crowd saying this is just another tantrum Un is throwing. Maybe he will launch one of his missiles. Maybe it will be shot down. I doubt him or his generals have the stones to actually go for it afterward. If they do, Seoul is farked for sure, there's just too much conventional arty zeroed in on it, no matter how good the Air Force and Navy are, they won't be able to get them all.

It won't be hours or days. Maybe two to four weeks before they get bludgeoned into some semblance of reason. Their nukes don't bother me-too large and primitive, the only conceivable way would be to stick it in a shipping container and they'd probably need a substantial ground team to set it off. They know that. Rattling a saber makes noise, drawing one doesn't. Can't remember where I heard that, but that's my feeling.
2013-04-11 03:20:44 AM
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And, not to double post but I figured I'd share this. Once upon a time in the late 'oughts, I got to meet Mikhail Gorbachev. He was local for a lecture series, and I knew the right people in the right places. It wasn't anything special, but still cool as hell. He's easily the most viciously intelligent man I've ever met in my life, even if listening to him talk is somewhere between watching Bob Ross and snail farking.

It's amazing to get the Soviet perspective of it, especially from the late '70s coming off the heels of detente and into the early '80s. In a very real way, electing Reagan was the  worst thing the United States could possibly have done in that time period and brought us closer to World War III than any other point in the Cold War, including the Cuban missile crisis.
2013-04-11 03:19:00 AM
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This is like Season 4 of Lost. NK needs some new writers. You can't keep dragging this shiat on and on without paying-off some of the setups.
2013-04-11 03:06:33 AM
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miss diminutive: Charlie Freak: Oh well, fark sleep I guess. Interestingly, I just had a twinge of the anxiety I had as a child growing up in the Cold War. Just a little, but seriously, that shiat sucked. As I listen to my kids breathe right now (they crawl into our room damn near every night), I am thankful they never had to go through that mindfark. No kid should. End this old-school pseudo-commie bullshiat blow-up-the-world propaganda so we can get back to the slow morphine drip our banks feed us.

This whole situation is something completely new to me, and I think it's given me a better understanding about when my parents talk about learning duck and cover drills in school and dealing with potential imminent annihilation on a constant basis. Of course, the current situation is probably only a shadow of what things were in the past, but the idea that the world could be plunged into nuclear war because of the actions of a few backwards fanatics in some small country around the world is something I've never experience (having been born right at the end of the Cold War).

I honestly don't think this is anything more than an exercise in sabre-rattling, but the fact that we honestly could jeopardize everything we've worked, and fought and strived for since the beginning over some strip of farking land on some speck of dust rock in some cosmic backwater is just so insanely stupid.


It's very much a shadow of the threat, but we all grew up with the idea that if one "red" nuclear-armed country gets into a shooting war, then we all do. I think that old line of thought and the fear that if the balloon goes up everybody will just start shooting is what is keeping me up tonight, even though it's extremely unlikely. It's interesting conversing with people who have no memory of the Cold War - you cannot believe the impact that had on our culture.
2013-04-11 02:50:28 AM
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Charlie Freak: Oh well, fark sleep I guess. Interestingly, I just had a twinge of the anxiety I had as a child growing up in the Cold War. Just a little, but seriously, that shiat sucked. As I listen to my kids breathe right now (they crawl into our room damn near every night), I am thankful they never had to go through that mindfark. No kid should. End this old-school pseudo-commie bullshiat blow-up-the-world propaganda so we can get back to the slow morphine drip our banks feed us.


This whole situation is something completely new to me, and I think it's given me a better understanding about when my parents talk about learning duck and cover drills in school and dealing with potential imminent annihilation on a constant basis. Of course, the current situation is probably only a shadow of what things were in the past, but the idea that the world could be plunged into nuclear war because of the actions of a few backwards fanatics in some small country around the world is something I've never experience (having been born right at the end of the Cold War).

I honestly don't think this is anything more than an exercise in sabre-rattling, but the fact that we honestly could jeopardize everything we've worked, and fought and strived for since the beginning over some strip of farking land on some speck of dust rock in some cosmic backwater is just so insanely stupid.
2013-04-11 02:36:26 AM
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Charlie Freak: Oh well, fark sleep I guess. Interestingly, I just had a twinge of the anxiety I had as a child growing up in the Cold War. Just a little, but seriously, that shiat sucked. As I listen to my kids breathe right now (they crawl into our room damn near every night), I am thankful they never had to go through that mindfark. No kid should. End this old-school pseudo-commie bullshiat blow-up-the-world propaganda so we can get back to the slow morphine drip our banks feed us.


I know what you mean. It's like a feeling of nostalgic fear. I'm sure the Germans have a word for it.
2013-04-11 02:32:10 AM
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vygramul: I can tell people are really impressed with Aegis and assume others will be by merely invoking it.


I'm hoping nothing lands in or around Tokyo.
2013-04-11 02:27:19 AM
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vygramul: cameroncrazy1984: vygramul: Radioactive Ass: vygramul: Not sure what with. That would be quite a revelation.

They do have Aegis ships with SM3's in addition to the lower range Patriots.

Neither of which are particularly useful against an ICBM.

To hit Japan you don't exactly need a Minuteman.

The missile they are supposedly planning on testing is not a cruise missile.


On Oct 22 2012 NK shot a satellite in to the Pacific that went directly over Okinawa. Japan said any other future launches would be shot down no matter a test or not. NK is planning to launch a missile anytime over Japan and in to the pacific. Japan has access to Aegis systems and said they will shoot it down.
2013-04-11 01:56:41 AM
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A personal letter to Kim Il Fatf**k,

Do it so we can come in and kill you, your entire family, all the funny hat guys and divide your country up between SK and China.  Christ, you fat suck, just do it so we can eliminate you from the list of primitive dickheads that still exist on this planet.

Signed,
the rest of the world - minus Iran, Syria and Pakistan, the other turd-like cling ons Klingons dumbs**ts.
2013-04-11 01:55:53 AM
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vygramul: Radioactive Ass: vygramul: Not sure what with. That would be quite a revelation.

They do have Aegis ships with SM3's in addition to the lower range Patriots.

Neither of which are particularly useful against an ICBM.


To hit Japan you don't exactly need a Minuteman.
2013-04-11 01:55:40 AM
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dai the flu: Plot twist: North Korea launches on China.


Plot twist resolution: We wake up Thursday morning to find South Korea is an island.
2013-04-11 01:55:00 AM
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Radioactive Ass: vygramul: Not sure what with. That would be quite a revelation.

They do have Aegis ships with SM3's in addition to the lower range Patriots.


Neither of which are particularly useful against an ICBM.
2013-04-11 01:52:42 AM
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farkingismybusiness: Treygreen13: farkingismybusiness: CygnusDarius: AGremlin: If this goes down, and US forces kick Nork butt up past the parallel again...shouldn't we start getting substantial discounts on Kias and Hyundais from now on?  Hell, for that matter, all South Korean products.

I could certainly do with some kimchi.

I'm pretty adventurous with food, love most Asian dishes, but I had kimchi about a decade ago and hated it. Worth revisiting even if I hate cabbage?

If you hate cabbage, it's extremely doubtful you'll learn to love kimchi.

Some friends have told me otherwise, but I don't believe them. As a kid I'd practically get nauseous every time my mom cooked sauerkraut. Hate the stuff.


Kimchee is awesome. Unless it's not. It varies. Around here in cali, haven't had any that was bad. And the German place I work at makes great sauerkraut with bacon in it. And the German style salad with white cabbage lightly pickled in a white vinaigrette... brb, gonna raid the place's kitchen...
2013-04-11 01:48:59 AM
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Canton: doglover: Canton: I've never had kimchi,

It's good. Nothing like sour kraut. Imagine thick cut cole slaw cabbage with hot sauce instead of mayonaise as the base of the sauce. It's cold, a little spicy, and crunchy.

By itself it's kind of shiat. But when you're eating REALLY spicy foods? Oh man it's outta this world. It cools ya right down.

Okay, that does sound good. I shall go to bed dreaming of cabbage rather than global thermonuclear war. Thanks for that.

/Has read  Alas, Babylon a few too many times...


Think of barbecued armadillo caught by your trusty dachshund to go with your post-nuclear kimchi.
2013-04-11 01:48:15 AM
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Canton: Treygreen13: Canton: Treygreen13: farkingismybusiness: CygnusDarius: AGremlin: If this goes down, and US forces kick Nork butt up past the parallel again...shouldn't we start getting substantial discounts on Kias and Hyundais from now on?  Hell, for that matter, all South Korean products.

I could certainly do with some kimchi.

I'm pretty adventurous with food, love most Asian dishes, but I had kimchi about a decade ago and hated it. Worth revisiting even if I hate cabbage?

If you hate cabbage, it's extremely doubtful you'll learn to love kimchi.

What if you like sauerkraut?

No, really, I've never had kimchi, and my curiosity has been renewed.

If you like sauerkraut, you might just hate certain preparations of cabbage. I'm the same way with eggs. An egg by itself? Gross. An omelet? Delicious!

I like cabbage in many forms. Steamed, boiled, uncooked in salad or cole slaw, as sauerkraut, in soup, sweet and sour... Um, you get the idea. Mostly, I just wonder how similar sauerkraut is to kimchi? They're both fermented, but the processes are different.


Kimchi is spicier, at least in the versions I've had. There's some peppers mixed in, and it's less vinegary.
2013-04-11 01:48:08 AM
1 votes:

Treygreen13: farkingismybusiness: Treygreen13: farkingismybusiness: CygnusDarius: AGremlin: If this goes down, and US forces kick Nork butt up past the parallel again...shouldn't we start getting substantial discounts on Kias and Hyundais from now on?  Hell, for that matter, all South Korean products.

I could certainly do with some kimchi.

I'm pretty adventurous with food, love most Asian dishes, but I had kimchi about a decade ago and hated it. Worth revisiting even if I hate cabbage?

If you hate cabbage, it's extremely doubtful you'll learn to love kimchi.

Some friends have told me otherwise, but I don't believe them. As a kid I'd practically get nauseous every time my mom cooked sauerkraut. Hate the stuff.

IIIIITTTTT'S GOOOOOOOD FOOOORRR YOOOOUUUU


Have you ever considered you hate sauerkraut because you were force fed it by your mother until you were 26 1/2 years old? If so I have some radio stations for you to listen to.
2013-04-11 01:45:43 AM
1 votes:

dai the flu: Plot twist: North Korea launches on China.

finds out it's been dead all along.

t0.gstatic.com
2013-04-11 01:44:14 AM
1 votes:

doglover: Canton: I've never had kimchi,

It's good. Nothing like sour kraut. Imagine thick cut cole slaw cabbage with hot sauce instead of mayonaise as the base of the sauce. It's cold, a little spicy, and crunchy.

By itself it's kind of shiat. But when you're eating REALLY spicy foods? Oh man it's outta this world. It cools ya right down.


Okay, that does sound good. I shall go to bed dreaming of cabbage rather than global thermonuclear war. Thanks for that.

/Has read  Alas, Babylon a few too many times...
2013-04-11 01:43:36 AM
1 votes:

Your Average Witty Fark User: cameroncrazy1984: Your Average Witty Fark User: I love how NK thinks they can take on all comers.

China has told them to back off. I'm not so sure they'd actively defend them.

NK is about to get put in the corner. Spanked, and put in the corner.

Go on...

I fully support your desire for some NK strange. More power to you.

In the mean time, they're the loud mouth at the party that isn't wanted there and can't fight. We all know how that ends.


You mean that when North Korea finally passes out in its own vomit, we can all draw penises on its face?
2013-04-11 01:41:30 AM
1 votes:

farkingismybusiness: You've all convinced me to try kimchi again, but I think I'll have to get good and drunk first.


If you don't care particularly for cabbage, it can be made with cucumbers and some other things; think spicy pickles.
2013-04-11 01:39:55 AM
1 votes:

Notabunny: armor helix: My only hope is that the the US does not end up getting involved in this nonsense.

NK will bomb Japan before dawn. NK has had an uncontrollable solanum infection crisis for the last few months. They've hidden as many healthy citizens as possible in underground tunnels, but the infected on the surface have grown exponentially and to such an extent that the military is being overwhelmed. Bombing Japan will trigger a military response from the US. NK's hope is that the US response will eliminate the walking infected so the healthy citizens can return to the surface.


Did you just combine WWZ and Day by day Armageddon?
2013-04-11 01:38:16 AM
1 votes:
It's not the first missile that bothers me. It's the last one. Once North Korea fires one off, either a misunderstanding or a deliberate "Gulf of Tonkin" lie can start a launch fiesta.

Then one or more may go off course. And another fiesta of missile launching starts up.

And who's going to launch that last big boy? The MOAICBM.

Starting it isn't the scary thing; stopping it once the shooting starts--or at least once someone THINKS the shooting has started--is the nasty part of it all.
2013-04-11 01:36:42 AM
1 votes:

Treygreen13: Canton: Treygreen13: farkingismybusiness: CygnusDarius: AGremlin: If this goes down, and US forces kick Nork butt up past the parallel again...shouldn't we start getting substantial discounts on Kias and Hyundais from now on?  Hell, for that matter, all South Korean products.

I could certainly do with some kimchi.

I'm pretty adventurous with food, love most Asian dishes, but I had kimchi about a decade ago and hated it. Worth revisiting even if I hate cabbage?

If you hate cabbage, it's extremely doubtful you'll learn to love kimchi.

What if you like sauerkraut?

No, really, I've never had kimchi, and my curiosity has been renewed.

If you like sauerkraut, you might just hate certain preparations of cabbage. I'm the same way with eggs. An egg by itself? Gross. An omelet? Delicious!


I like cabbage in many forms. Steamed, boiled, uncooked in salad or cole slaw, as sauerkraut, in soup, sweet and sour... Um, you get the idea. Mostly, I just wonder how similar sauerkraut is to kimchi? They're both fermented, but the processes are different.
2013-04-11 01:35:53 AM
1 votes:

farkingismybusiness: Treygreen13: farkingismybusiness: CygnusDarius: AGremlin: If this goes down, and US forces kick Nork butt up past the parallel again...shouldn't we start getting substantial discounts on Kias and Hyundais from now on?  Hell, for that matter, all South Korean products.

I could certainly do with some kimchi.

I'm pretty adventurous with food, love most Asian dishes, but I had kimchi about a decade ago and hated it. Worth revisiting even if I hate cabbage?

If you hate cabbage, it's extremely doubtful you'll learn to love kimchi.

Some friends have told me otherwise, but I don't believe them. As a kid I'd practically get nauseous every time my mom cooked sauerkraut. Hate the stuff.


There are a lot of different ways to assemble ingredients for kimchi (many not even involving cabbage) as well as spicing it. Some are regional and thus hard to find anywhere outside their respective places of origin but you can often find recipes online and try to make some of your own. I would say explore - each one is unique unto its own. There's about as many ways to make kimchi as there are a salad, so you can imagine that variety.

Enjoy!
2013-04-11 01:34:56 AM
1 votes:

farkingismybusiness: Treygreen13: farkingismybusiness: CygnusDarius: AGremlin: If this goes down, and US forces kick Nork butt up past the parallel again...shouldn't we start getting substantial discounts on Kias and Hyundais from now on?  Hell, for that matter, all South Korean products.

I could certainly do with some kimchi.

I'm pretty adventurous with food, love most Asian dishes, but I had kimchi about a decade ago and hated it. Worth revisiting even if I hate cabbage?

If you hate cabbage, it's extremely doubtful you'll learn to love kimchi.

Some friends have told me otherwise, but I don't believe them. As a kid I'd practically get nauseous every time my mom cooked sauerkraut. Hate the stuff.


IIIIITTTTT'S GOOOOOOOD FOOOORRR YOOOOUUUU
2013-04-11 01:32:39 AM
1 votes:

The5thElement: As a retiree of a three letter agency within the department of defense, it will be very interesting to see what happens if any of the missiles get intercepted.


If they are stupid enough to launch these things with a trajectory anywhere close to Japan, Guam, or other land mass, we will attempt to intercept.

If we are successful, N. Korea will likely begin the artillery bombardment of Seoul.

Then it begins.

/I have a GED in global-political-military science
2013-04-11 01:32:29 AM
1 votes:

armor helix: HeartBurnKid: armor helix: My only hope is that the the US does not end up getting involved in this nonsense.

Well, we are kind of treaty-bound to step in in South Korea or Japan is attacked.  So you bet we will.

Which treaty are you referring to?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_treaties#1950.E2. 80 .931999 
Japan: Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security Between the United States and Japan
South Korea: Mutual Defense Treaty

You do realize that the US has treaties with countries outside of NATO, right?
2013-04-11 01:28:55 AM
1 votes:

Danger Avoid Death: Mentat: If I'm the ocean, I'm getting pretty worried right about now.

Uchiha_Cycliste: With the NK miss-all in launch position, does anyone know what the time frame is for a launch?

They have to find someone with a book of matches to light the fuse first. Have a Snickers. It's gonna be a while.


Poo, I guess I'll just check in in the morning
2013-04-11 01:26:55 AM
1 votes:

armor helix: My only hope is that the the US does not end up getting involved in this nonsense.


Pft. It's like 60 years too late for that.
2013-04-11 01:23:32 AM
1 votes:

AGremlin: If this goes down, and US forces kick Nork butt up past the parallel again...shouldn't we start getting substantial discounts on Kias and Hyundais from now on?  Hell, for that matter, all South Korean products.


I could certainly do with some kimchi.
2013-04-11 01:20:30 AM
1 votes:
img94.imageshack.us
Not Particularly Useful Against Ter... oh wait.
2013-04-11 01:20:22 AM
1 votes:

AGremlin: If this goes down, and US forces kick Nork butt up past the parallel again...shouldn't we start getting substantial discounts on Kias and Hyundais from now on?  Hell, for that matter, all South Korean products.


I've been eyeing a Samsung Galaxy for awhile now.
2013-04-11 01:19:50 AM
1 votes:
24.media.tumblr.com
2013-04-11 01:19:14 AM
1 votes:
so wait, they fueled the rocket, then moved it? Am I understanding that correctly?
2013-04-11 01:18:33 AM
1 votes:
If this goes down, and US forces kick Nork butt up past the parallel again...shouldn't we start getting substantial discounts on Kias and Hyundais from now on?  Hell, for that matter, all South Korean products.
2013-04-11 01:18:29 AM
1 votes:
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
2013-04-11 01:17:20 AM
1 votes:

redsquid: TheShavingofOccam123: Well, boys, it looks like Eisenhower only delayed the US using our nukes on Asians again.

I hope the survivors of all-out, escalated nuclear warfare remember that  America's people--not her government and not her corporations--were in the end decent people for the most part. We quite often took far too long to realize our errors and modify our behavior.

Enjoy the glow, the warmth, and the sloughing off of dead, burned skin. It sure was a beautiful place till we kept banging out babies.

God Save Mrs. Ethel Shroake, of 393A High Street, Leytonstone

OK I love you now. Gonna watch that as soon as A Boy and His Dog ends!


Amen. I haven't watched either in years.
2013-04-11 01:17:12 AM
1 votes:
Imagine if one of the missiles, by mistake, hits Beijing.
2013-04-11 01:15:06 AM
1 votes:
Decades from now, a great grand child will ask "What are some changes that occurred in your life time?"  and I can say "When I was born there was an East Germany and a West Germany as well as a North Korea and a South Korea.  Not anymore.  Germany unified and just became known as Germany.  What we know of as Korea was actually South Korea and that eastern section of China was once called North Korea.  Also, everyone of North Korean decent was wiped out entirely."
2013-04-11 01:13:59 AM
1 votes:

Wolfling: Treygreen13: *yawn*

There does seem to be a bit of 'NorK threats fatigue' going on...


Srsly, it's wearying. Threat, nothing. Threat, nothing. Threat, nothing. Threat, nothing. Threat, nothing.

Sure guy, you can burn the building down. You can put strychnine in the guacamole.
2013-04-11 01:10:52 AM
1 votes:
www.charlock.org
2013-04-11 01:10:21 AM
1 votes:

Mentat: If I'm the ocean, I'm getting pretty worried right about now.


Uchiha_Cycliste: With the NK miss-all in launch position, does anyone know what the time frame is for a launch?


They have to find someone with a book of matches to light the fuse first. Have a Snickers. It's gonna be a while.
2013-04-11 01:10:13 AM
1 votes:

Triumph: CNN is actually live after 11 pm. Wow.


Meh. Let me know when they deploy a tactical Anderson Cooper.
2013-04-11 01:08:21 AM
1 votes:

farkingismybusiness: King Something: How do you say "Glass Parking Lot" in Korean?

Grass Parkyng Rot.


유리 주차장
2013-04-11 01:07:52 AM
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: Well, boys, it looks like Eisenhower only delayed the US using our nukes on Asians again.

I hope the survivors of all-out, escalated nuclear warfare remember that  America's people--not her government and not her corporations--were in the end decent people for the most part. We quite often took far too long to realize our errors and modify our behavior.

Enjoy the glow, the warmth, and the sloughing off of dead, burned skin. It sure was a beautiful place till we kept banging out babies.

God Save Mrs. Ethel Shroake, of 393A High Street, Leytonstone


OK I love you now. Gonna watch that as soon as A Boy and His Dog ends!
2013-04-11 01:07:51 AM
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: Well, boys, it looks like Eisenhower only delayed the US using our nukes on Asians again.

I hope the survivors of all-out, escalated nuclear warfare remember that  America's people--not her government and not her corporations--were in the end decent people for the most part. We quite often took far too long to realize our errors and modify our behavior.

Enjoy the glow, the warmth, and the sloughing off of dead, burned skin. It sure was a beautiful place till we kept banging out babies.

God Save Mrs. Ethel Shroake, of 393A High Street, Leytonstone


If you need to get something off your chest, go talk to a shrink and apologize to him/her.

Nothing is going to continue to happen here.

They launch, it heads into the ocean and nothing happens or it heads toward a land mass and we try to intercept it and nothing happens. This staged BSery is getting boring and the only ones crying about it are the ones farthest away from it.
2013-04-11 01:06:13 AM
1 votes:

Your Average Witty Fark User: I love how NK thinks they can take on all comers.

China has told them to back off. I'm not so sure they'd actively defend them.

NK is about to get put in the corner. Spanked, and put in the corner.


Go on...
2013-04-11 01:05:27 AM
1 votes:

that bosnian sniper: So is NK going to finally shiat or get off the pot? I'm so fed up with waiting for them to commit suicide by carpet bombing  I'm ready to invade.


Let the South Koreans handle reunification.  I don't want to pay for Fatty the Third's shiat. Those farkwits in the North can't even feed themselves.

/help our allies bomb them? Okay.
Invade? No.
2013-04-11 01:05:23 AM
1 votes:
I love how NK thinks they can take on all comers.

China has told them to back off. I'm not so sure they'd actively defend them.

NK is about to get put in the corner. Spanked, and put in the corner.
2013-04-11 01:00:18 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

/replace dad with Best Korea's only fatass
2013-04-11 12:58:26 AM
1 votes:
China knows that if their yappy little dog actually bites anyone, it's getting put down.
2013-04-11 12:56:30 AM
1 votes:

crypticsatellite: nekom: Fingers crossed it explodes on the launch pad.

I still don't get the US stance of only shooting it down if it isn't going to hit water. Apparently, these missiles have been banned by agreement. Why let them collect data on a completed flight?


Because we don't want them to collect data on our countermeasures, either.

Also, we're not totally sure if they work, and we'd look like assholes if we missed.
2013-04-11 12:54:53 AM
1 votes:

bob_ross: [s24.postimg.org image 850x585] Come at U.S. Bro


A-10's are so farking badass
2013-04-11 12:54:36 AM
1 votes:

Confabulat: Was it really necessary to parade them through the main square of their capital city?


It's their only paved road.
2013-04-11 12:53:33 AM
1 votes:

panfried: I can't believe people are even concerned about this bozo or his bottle rocket brigade. Bazaar.  It's almost as if he's part of an orchestrated  diversion.  I wonder what foxes are in whose hen house while the world focuses on this class clown.


Tell the folks in South Korea and Japan who those missiles are aimed at right now how inconsequential this guy is.  Go on.  I dare you.
2013-04-11 12:52:46 AM
1 votes:

King Something: How do you say "Glass Parking Lot" in Korean?


Grass Parkyng Rot.
2013-04-11 12:17:59 AM
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: Uchiha_Cycliste: With the NK miss-all in launch position, does anyone know what the time frame is for a launch? I mean to ask, what is likely the longest we would have to wait before we could assume it's a bluff and they won't do it.

They will probably launch, but not with any ordnance.  They will just test missiles, try to show that they CAN send nasty shiat to Japan or Guam or whatever.  If they truly are stupid enough to attack someone, they should be prepared to be wiped out completely.  For example if they desire to nuke the U.S., they might be able to hit Guam, possibly Hawaii, although a lot of experts doubt it.  If they nuked Guam, that would be enough for the U.S. to swoop over and turn NK into slag.  I don't know what the response would be if they nuked SK or Japan.  I think even China might wipe them out if they did that.


I think it'll just be a test/show of capablity too, mainly I was wondering when it's likely to happen. Or if I should forget about it and go to bed soon.
2013-04-11 12:01:40 AM
1 votes:

Uchiha_Cycliste: With the NK miss-all in launch position, does anyone know what the time frame is for a launch? I mean to ask, what is likely the longest we would have to wait before we could assume it's a bluff and they won't do it.


They will probably launch, but not with any ordnance.  They will just test missiles, try to show that they CAN send nasty shiat to Japan or Guam or whatever.  If they truly are stupid enough to attack someone, they should be prepared to be wiped out completely.  For example if they desire to nuke the U.S., they might be able to hit Guam, possibly Hawaii, although a lot of experts doubt it.  If they nuked Guam, that would be enough for the U.S. to swoop over and turn NK into slag.  I don't know what the response would be if they nuked SK or Japan.  I think even China might wipe them out if they did that.
2013-04-10 11:59:44 PM
1 votes:

CavalierEternal: Thats_Not_My_Baby: From a military standpoint, it must suck that your enemies know so much about what you are doing that their  media can report the position (skyward) of your missiles in a very short amount of time.

Well, when you give everyone on the planet a one-month notice about your planned military actions, it's pretty hard to get anything done unnoticed.


Really... even Google maps has been updated.
2013-04-10 11:58:35 PM
1 votes:

Thats_Not_My_Baby: From a military standpoint, it must suck that your enemies know so much about what you are doing that their  media can report the position (skyward) of your missiles in a very short amount of time.


Well, when you give everyone on the planet a one-month notice about your planned military actions, it's pretty hard to get anything done unnoticed.
2013-04-10 11:57:41 PM
1 votes:
From a military standpoint, it must suck that your enemies know so much about what you are doing that their  media can report the position (skyward) of your missiles in a very short amount of time.
2013-04-10 11:54:03 PM
1 votes:
With the NK miss-all in launch position, does anyone know what the time frame is for a launch? I mean to ask, what is likely the longest we would have to wait before we could assume it's a bluff and they won't do it.
2013-04-10 11:47:11 PM
1 votes:
Was it really necessary to parade them through the main square of their capital city?
2013-04-10 11:37:44 PM
1 votes:

CaptSacto: Let me know when the Patriots launch.


With Gronk out and Welker gone, they're sticking to the running game.
2013-04-10 11:33:25 PM
1 votes:
Wolf Blitzer just said CNN's sources are expecting "multiple launches at any moment." I'm calling it right now that Kim Jong W. Un is their main source and he's trading info for pizza.
2013-04-10 11:23:59 PM
1 votes:
No. News cannot happen within the next six hours. I have to sleep.
2013-04-10 10:56:54 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Rincewind53: scottydoesntknow: Farking hell.

Oh please. They're not going to do jack shiat other than conduct another stupid missile test. They're not attacking anyone.

This. There's no conceivable reason why NK would ever start a war. They don't have anything to gain from it, and they don't have an ideological leaning towards martyrdom or kamikaze-dom. There's NO REASON for them to do this.


There is actually one reason - the military is preparing a coup against the ruling clan. IF, and it's a huge if, Un could actually successfully authorize a successful attack on any "enemy," it would be an internal victory, regardless of the outcomes. Might even be enough to convince the militarized peasants that any officers that opposed it were enemies.
2013-04-10 10:38:24 PM
1 votes:
It'd be sweet to use that new laser thingy and blow up their rockets on the launch pad.
2013-04-10 10:36:52 PM
1 votes:

doglover: CaptSacto: doglover: CaptSacto: doglover: CaptSacto: Let me know when the Patriots launch.

i will.

Appreciate it. Are you in the neighborhood?

yep

Stay safe, dude.
I'm still of the opinion that this is just another Un wienie wave. They've done this sh*t before, too.
Things could get interesting if the threat appears great enough to launch the Patriots.

There's no general panic here. Business as usual. But it's making me edgy. I don't want to test my "how to survive a nuke" knowledge from those old survival manuals.


I believe the "Duck and Cover" method works equally as well for nuclear fallout as it does for flowing rivers of lava.

24.media.tumblr.com
2013-04-10 10:34:29 PM
1 votes:

make me some tea: doglover: CaptSacto: doglover: CaptSacto: Let me know when the Patriots launch.

i will.

Appreciate it. Are you in the neighborhood?

yep

Has NK actually made any specific threats toward Japan?


Heh, 48 minutes ago: North Korea declares Japan will be battlefield if war breaks out
2013-04-10 10:24:24 PM
1 votes:
Fingers crossed it explodes on the launch pad.
2013-04-10 10:08:18 PM
1 votes:
I'm not saying sea of fire, but sea of fire.

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