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2013-04-11 07:41:19 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: With the NK miss-all in launch position, does anyone know what the time frame is for a launch? I mean to ask, what is likely the longest we would have to wait before we could assume it's a bluff and they won't do it.


Not all that long; their missiles are liquid fueled and the fuel is corrosive, which is why they only fuel them before launch. I don't knowhow long the fuel can stay in the missile before it damages something important, but it can't be all that long.
 
2013-04-11 07:42:42 AM

Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.

Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention

Except Un is both young and inexperienced. We don't know who's calling the shots this time, but since it has a different feel compared to past posturing I'd say Un is at the helm and is mucking it up.

He was raised in an environment that perfected their own brand of posturing. To suggest that Un doesn't know how to posture properly thus explaining everything is highly unlikely.


Reports from recent NK military defectors suggest he's indeed inexperienced and struggling to maintain control.
 
2013-04-11 07:43:03 AM

Felgraf: jaybeezey: CAn you imagine the global warming concerns after a nuclear exchange?

You'd never get Gore to shut the fark up then!

Actually there's a good bit of research that suggests a limited nuclear exchange would temporarily help counteract global warming. All the particulate matter that would get thrown up into the atmosphere, and whatnot.


So which country wants to volunteer to get nuked for the common good? Any takers?
 
2013-04-11 07:43:41 AM

neongoats: Canton: doglover: Canton: I've never had kimchi,

It's good. Nothing like sour kraut. Imagine thick cut cole slaw cabbage with hot sauce instead of mayonaise as the base of the sauce. It's cold, a little spicy, and crunchy.

By itself it's kind of shiat. But when you're eating REALLY spicy foods? Oh man it's outta this world. It cools ya right down.

Okay, that does sound good. I shall go to bed dreaming of cabbage rather than global thermonuclear war. Thanks for that.

/Has read  Alas, Babylon a few too many times...

Think of barbecued armadillo caught by your trusty dachshund to go with your post-nuclear kimchi.


Heh. Radioactive mutant armadillo?

/Post-nuclear zoos would be... interesting.
//We are still here.
///Not shocked.
 
2013-04-11 07:44:17 AM
DO IT FATTY FAT ASS!  YOU FARKING CHICKENSHIAT!
 
2013-04-11 07:56:18 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: Uchiha_Cycliste: With the NK miss-all in launch position, does anyone know what the time frame is for a launch? I mean to ask, what is likely the longest we would have to wait before we could assume it's a bluff and they won't do it.

They will probably launch, but not with any ordnance.  They will just test missiles, try to show that they CAN send nasty shiat to Japan or Guam or whatever.  If they truly are stupid enough to attack someone, they should be prepared to be wiped out completely.  For example if they desire to nuke the U.S., they might be able to hit Guam, possibly Hawaii, although a lot of experts doubt it.  If they nuked Guam, that would be enough for the U.S. to swoop over and turn NK into slag.  I don't know what the response would be if they nuked SK or Japan.  I think even China might wipe them out if they did that.


Why are there people speculating that china might take out north korea?  Its farking retarded.  If north korea does anything that warrants immediate military action, the US and South Korea will be all over that shiat.  If they hit japan or guam or hawaii, then all of farking NATO will come down on them too...  China would have to be straight up retarded to send their military towards that rolling death machine.  They will just keep their borders secure.
 
2013-04-11 07:56:55 AM
i35.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-11 08:04:15 AM

Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.

Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention

Except Un is both young and inexperienced. We don't know who's calling the shots this time, but since it has a different feel compared to past posturing I'd say Un is at the helm and is mucking it up.

He was raised in an environment that perfected their own brand of posturing. To suggest that Un doesn't know how to posture properly thus explaining everything is highly unlikely.

Maybe, but that assumes Un was present in that environment growing.

Let's assume you're right. Since this is different than the usual posturing, are you suggesting this isn't actually posturing? My point is that he's put himself in a bind, and if he's merely posturing than he's done a bad job of it. If he's not posturing, war is actually imminent.


I don't think that war is imminent. He's not thought of as being dim. I'm sure he knows that he can't stand and actually wage a successful war campaign.

I'm saying that if he's posturing then he has an out that he hasn't tapped yet for a reason. Perhaps he's engaging in theater in an attempt to convince us that conflict is imminent so that when he backs down - it appears that he had control. Who the hell knows what Un's goal is. But he has one.

If he isn't posturing then he's gone great lengths to incite conflict. He's notified countries so that they could prepare for the possible strike. He's asked foreign embassies to remove their staff. It seems like he wants to be invaded and has determined that the best way to do this is by coming across as a legitimate threat. He's gone to great lengths to slowly escalate the threat and have been encouraging people to stay safe by leaving.

Look - Un has had problems feeding his people. Dozens of thousands have died from starvation throughout the year. People have resorted to cannibalism. They're decades behind South Korea. They have no money to upgrade the country and their other resources are equally inadequate.
 
2013-04-11 08:04:24 AM

Bendal: Uchiha_Cycliste: With the NK miss-all in launch position, does anyone know what the time frame is for a launch? I mean to ask, what is likely the longest we would have to wait before we could assume it's a bluff and they won't do it.

Not all that long; their missiles are liquid fueled and the fuel is corrosive, which is why they only fuel them before launch. I don't knowhow long the fuel can stay in the missile before it damages something important, but it can't be all that long.


If I'm correct, the fuel also begins to separate/break down over time. That's one of the issues that the US and Russia have (per a buddy who was in Naval intel), while a lot of statistics say "the US has  n nuclear weapons ready to launch!" a lot of them are simply not launchable without emptying, scrubbing, and refueling which would take a significant amount of time. Plus the corrosion does take its toll over time. Apparently newer fuels don't have the same issue, nor do solid state fuels.
 
2013-04-11 08:05:55 AM
This could be a ploy to get the US to show their cards on missile defense.
 
2013-04-11 08:09:13 AM

Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.

Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention

Except Un is both young and inexperienced. We don't know who's calling the shots this time, but since it has a different feel compared to past posturing I'd say Un is at the helm and is mucking it up.

He was raised in an environment that perfected their own brand of posturing. To suggest that Un doesn't know how to posture properly thus explaining everything is highly unlikely.

Maybe, but that assumes Un was present in that environment growing.

Let's assume you're right. Since this is different than the usual posturing, are you suggesting this isn't actually posturing? My point is that he's put himself in a bind, and if he's merely posturing than he's done a bad job of it. If he's not posturing, war is actually imminent.

I don't think that war is imminent. He's not thought of as being dim. I'm sure he knows that he can't stand and actually wage a successful war campaign.

I'm saying that if he's posturing then he has an out that he hasn't tapped yet for a reason. Perhaps he's engaging in theater in an attempt to convince us that conflict is imminent so that when he backs down - it appears that he had control. Who the hell knows what Un's goal is. But he has one.

If he isn't posturing then he's gone great lengths to incite conflict. He's notified countries so that they could prepare for the possible strike. He's asked foreign embassies to remove their staff. It seems like he wants to be invaded and has determined that the best way to do this is by coming across as a legitimate threat. He's gone to great lengths to slowly escalate the threat and have been encouraging people to stay safe by leaving.

Look - Un has had problems feeding his people. Dozens of thousands have died from starvation throughout the year. People have resorted to cannibalism. They're decades behind South Korea. They have no money to upgrade the country and their other resources are equally inadequate.


I doubt Un is that smart. If this is because his people are starving, he has had ample non-military opportunities to remedy that situation.
 
2013-04-11 08:14:19 AM

Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.

Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention

Except Un is both young and inexperienced. We don't know who's calling the shots this time, but since it has a different feel compared to past posturing I'd say Un is at the helm and is mucking it up.

He was raised in an environment that perfected their own brand of posturing. To suggest that Un doesn't know how to posture properly thus explaining everything is highly unlikely.

Maybe, but that assumes Un was present in that environment growing.

Let's assume you're right. Since this is different than the usual posturing, are you suggesting this isn't actually posturing? My point is that he's put himself in a bind, and if he's merely posturing than he's done a bad job of it. If he's not posturing, war is actually imminent.

I don't think that war is imminent. He's not thought of as being dim. I'm sure he knows that he can't stand and actually wage a successful war campaign.

I'm saying that if he's posturing then he has an out that he hasn't tapped yet for a reason. Perhaps he's engaging in theater in an attempt to convince us that conflict is imminent so that when he backs down - it appears that he had control. Who the hell knows what Un ...


You are under-estimating him. First, you don't come from a family of leaders and learn SOMETHING. Second, he studied for years in the west. He knows full-well what he is up against. Saying "I doubt Un is that smart" is a very, very bad move. He is young and untested and has been thrown into a shark tank with people who want to take his seat. The other party members would have him disappeared instantly if he made a move to shake up the status quo.
 
2013-04-11 08:18:00 AM

digistil: Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.

Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention

Except Un is both young and inexperienced. We don't know who's calling the shots this time, but since it has a different feel compared to past posturing I'd say Un is at the helm and is mucking it up.

He was raised in an environment that perfected their own brand of posturing. To suggest that Un doesn't know how to posture properly thus explaining everything is highly unlikely.

Reports from recent NK military defectors suggest he's indeed inexperienced and struggling to maintain control.


Considering the state off Nork - even an experienced leader would have droves wanting to defect.
 
2013-04-11 08:21:30 AM

Macinfarker: Growing up

out, that is

FTFY
 
2013-04-11 08:22:09 AM
Go ahead an launch it, you little peckerhead.
It'll get five feet off the pad before it gets intercepted by an incoming nuke.

Flied Lice, baby.
 
2013-04-11 08:24:28 AM

scubamage: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.

Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention

Except Un is both young and inexperienced. We don't know who's calling the shots this time, but since it has a different feel compared to past posturing I'd say Un is at the helm and is mucking it up.

He was raised in an environment that perfected their own brand of posturing. To suggest that Un doesn't know how to posture properly thus explaining everything is highly unlikely.

Maybe, but that assumes Un was present in that environment growing.

Let's assume you're right. Since this is different than the usual posturing, are you suggesting this isn't actually posturing? My point is that he's put himself in a bind, and if he's merely posturing than he's done a bad job of it. If he's not posturing, war is actually imminent.

I don't think that war is imminent. He's not thought of as being dim. I'm sure he knows that he can't stand and actually wage a successful war campaign.

I'm saying that if he's posturing then he has an out that he hasn't tapped yet for a reason. Perhaps he's engaging in theater in an attempt to convince us that conflict is imminent so that when he backs down - it appears that he had control. Who the hell knows what Un ...

You are under-estimating him. First, you don't come from a family of leaders and learn SOMETHING. Second, he studied for years in the west. He knows full-well what he is up against. Saying "I doubt Un is that smart" is a very, very bad move. He is young and untested and has been thrown into a shark tank with people who want to take his seat. The other party members would have him disappeared instantly if he made a move to shake up the status quo.


My original post(s) said he was young ad inexperienced. And just because he was educated in the west doesn't mean he's smart.
 
2013-04-11 08:26:07 AM

Macinfarker: And just because he was educated in the west doesn't mean he's smart.


Oh. He's a Yalie?
 
2013-04-11 08:27:54 AM
And also...  What makes anyone think that the United States would ALLOW china to take out north korea?  we did not invade, fight the norks and the chinese, and then station troops along the border for over 50 years just to have china swoop in at the last minute.
 
2013-04-11 08:29:53 AM

scubamage: Bendal: Uchiha_Cycliste: With the NK miss-all in launch position, does anyone know what the time frame is for a launch? I mean to ask, what is likely the longest we would have to wait before we could assume it's a bluff and they won't do it.

Not all that long; their missiles are liquid fueled and the fuel is corrosive, which is why they only fuel them before launch. I don't knowhow long the fuel can stay in the missile before it damages something important, but it can't be all that long.

If I'm correct, the fuel also begins to separate/break down over time. That's one of the issues that the US and Russia have (per a buddy who was in Naval intel), while a lot of statistics say "the US has  n nuclear weapons ready to launch!" a lot of them are simply not launchable without emptying, scrubbing, and refueling which would take a significant amount of time. Plus the corrosion does take its toll over time. Apparently newer fuels don't have the same issue, nor do solid state fuels.


I don't think we've used liquid-fueled missiles in a long time. Titan II's were retired in the 90's.
 
2013-04-11 08:36:43 AM
Someone just advertised "extreme" peanut butter on the radio. Maybe we should get nuked.
 
2013-04-11 08:45:09 AM
www.blogcdn.com

Little does Fatty Ding-dongs know about our Super missle defense system
 
2013-04-11 08:46:23 AM

Man On Pink Corner: Bontesla: I wouldn't put too much value in what we think we know.

[lewis.armscontrolwonk.com image 450x301]

All I know is that I'm not afraid of a nuclear attack from countries where they're pretty sure that the ground track of a missile flying between two points on a sphere is a straight line.


imageshack.us
 
2013-04-11 08:50:40 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Juc: I wouldn't worry if you're in austin, their rockets are unlikely to get anywhere remotely near there

I know.  I have this sick desire to witness nuclear holocaust.

The dreams don't come so much anymore since my son was born, but I still like to talk about it.

I don't really want it.  I guess I'm just bored.


August 29, 1997 has come and gone. You're probably fine.
 
2013-04-11 08:57:29 AM

Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.

Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention

Except Un is both young and inexperienced. We don't know who's calling the shots this time, but since it has a different feel compared to past posturing I'd say Un is at the helm and is mucking it up.

He was raised in an environment that perfected their own brand of posturing. To suggest that Un doesn't know how to posture properly thus explaining everything is highly unlikely.

Maybe, but that assumes Un was present in that environment growing.

Let's assume you're right. Since this is different than the usual posturing, are you suggesting this isn't actually posturing? My point is that he's put himself in a bind, and if he's merely posturing than he's done a bad job of it. If he's not posturing, war is actually imminent.

I don't think that war is imminent. He's not thought of as being dim. I'm sure he knows that he can't stand and actually wage a successful war campaign.

I'm saying that if he's posturing then he has an out that he hasn't tapped yet for a reason. Perhaps he's engaging in theater in an attempt to convince us that conflict is imminent so that when he backs down - it appears that he had control. Who the hell knows what Un's goal is. But he has one.

If he isn't posturing then he's gone great lengths to incite conflict. He's notified countries so that they could prepare for the possible strike. He's asked foreign embassies to remove their staff. It seems like he wants to be invaded and has determined that the best way to do this is by coming across as a legitimate threat. He's gone to great lengths to slowly escalate the threat and have been encouraging people to stay safe by leaving.

Look - Un has had problems feeding his people. Dozens of thousands have died from starvation throughout the year. People have resorted to cannibalism. They're decades behind South Korea. They have no money to upgrade the country and their other resources are equally inadequate.

I doubt Un is that smart. If this is because his people are starving, he has had ample non-military opportunities to remedy that situation.


We're all just speculating. The truth is that we're not sure what the hell is going on. I don't know how likely or plausible any of our speculations are.

But pretending that Un is dumb and has accidentally painted himself in a corner isn't likely and could lead to unnecessary casualties. If we can all agree that:

1).This is intentional and planned instead of amateur or accidental.
2). There's a goal or objective that they have but we can't see it.

Then we can spit ball some pretty good and plausible explanations that explain most of the facts.
 
2013-04-11 08:59:05 AM

MythDragon: [www.blogcdn.com image 584x252]

Little does Fatty Ding-dongs know about our Super missle defense system


i183.photobucket.com
I thought Death Blossom was a measure of last resort?
 
2013-04-11 09:07:30 AM

Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.

Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention

Except Un is both young and inexperienced. We don't know who's calling the shots this time, but since it has a different feel compared to past posturing I'd say Un is at the helm and is mucking it up.

He was raised in an environment that perfected their own brand of posturing. To suggest that Un doesn't know how to posture properly thus explaining everything is highly unlikely.

Maybe, but that assumes Un was present in that environment growing.

Let's assume you're right. Since this is different than the usual posturing, are you suggesting this isn't actually posturing? My point is that he's put himself in a bind, and if he's merely posturing than he's done a bad job of it. If he's not posturing, war is actually imminent.

I don't think that war is imminent. He's not thought of as being dim. I'm sure he knows that he can't stand and actually wage a successful war campaign.

I'm saying that if he's posturing then he has an out that he hasn't tapped yet for a reason. Perhaps he's engaging in theater in an attempt to convince us that conflict is imminent so that when he backs down - it appears that he had control. Who the hell knows what Un's goal is. But he has one.

If he isn't posturing then he's gone great lengths to incite conflict. He's notified countries so that they could prepare for the possible strike. He's asked foreign embassies to remove their staff. It seems like he wants to be invaded and has determined that the best way to do this is by coming across as a legitimate threat. He's gone to great lengths to slowly escalate the threat and have been encouraging people to stay safe by leaving.

Look - Un has had problems feeding his people. Dozens of thousands have died from starvation throughout the year. People have resorted to cannibalism. They're decades behind South Korea. They have no money to upgrade the country and their other resources are equally inadequate.

I doubt Un is that smart. If this is because his people are starving, he has had ample non-military opportunities to remedy that situation.

We're all just speculating. The truth is that we're not sure what the hell is going on. I don't know how likely or plausible any of our speculations are.

But pretending that Un is dumb and has accidentally painted himself in a corner isn't likely and could lead to unnecessary casualties. If we can all agree that:

1).This is intentional and planned instead of amateur or accidental.
2). There's a goal or objective that they have but we can't see it.

Then we can spit ball some pretty good and plausible explanations that explain most of the facts.


It is intentional, planned AND amateur.

As for their goals, you give them way more credit than they deserve. Other than the usual goals, or maybe to measure response, there's no goal worth shiatting over.
 
2013-04-11 09:19:16 AM
I am starting to tire of these daily North Korea threads. But I hope Japan and South Korea are safe.

Also I would like to see two B52's buzz their Day of the Sun party in the capital square on the 15th and drop thousands of Big Macs just as Kim finishes giving his speech.
 
2013-04-11 09:23:24 AM

scubamage: Bendal: Uchiha_Cycliste: With the NK miss-all in launch position, does anyone know what the time frame is for a launch? I mean to ask, what is likely the longest we would have to wait before we could assume it's a bluff and they won't do it.

Not all that long; their missiles are liquid fueled and the fuel is corrosive, which is why they only fuel them before launch. I don't knowhow long the fuel can stay in the missile before it damages something important, but it can't be all that long.

If I'm correct, the fuel also begins to separate/break down over time. That's one of the issues that the US and Russia have (per a buddy who was in Naval intel), while a lot of statistics say "the US has  n nuclear weapons ready to launch!" a lot of them are simply not launchable without emptying, scrubbing, and refueling which would take a significant amount of time. Plus the corrosion does take its toll over time. Apparently newer fuels don't have the same issue, nor do solid state fuels.


I'm really not sure about the corrosive properties of liquid oxygen and hydrogen, but a quick check of the MSDS for each would answer it.  I'd say the bigger problem is that the fuel is literally boiling away.  It's possible that they have simply delivered storage tanks of the liquid fuel and a quick fuel up would all that's needed.

I am pretty sure solid rocket fuel lasts quite a long time inside the rockets.  We don't see sidewinders falling out.

/works for the company that supplied the fuel for the shuttle.
//pretty low on the totem though and chems isn't my dept.
 
2013-04-11 09:24:57 AM
Wolf! Wolf!
 
2013-04-11 09:31:41 AM
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2013-04-11 09:33:43 AM
So the question begs to be asked.

"So, what kind of fuel ya got in that Taepodong?"

Man, there's even one called the No Dong.
 
2013-04-11 10:09:47 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: scubamage: Bendal: Uchiha_Cycliste: With the NK miss-all in launch position, does anyone know what the time frame is for a launch? I mean to ask, what is likely the longest we would have to wait before we could assume it's a bluff and they won't do it.

Not all that long; their missiles are liquid fueled and the fuel is corrosive, which is why they only fuel them before launch. I don't knowhow long the fuel can stay in the missile before it damages something important, but it can't be all that long.

If I'm correct, the fuel also begins to separate/break down over time. That's one of the issues that the US and Russia have (per a buddy who was in Naval intel), while a lot of statistics say "the US has  n nuclear weapons ready to launch!" a lot of them are simply not launchable without emptying, scrubbing, and refueling which would take a significant amount of time. Plus the corrosion does take its toll over time. Apparently newer fuels don't have the same issue, nor do solid state fuels.

I'm really not sure about the corrosive properties of liquid oxygen and hydrogen, but a quick check of the MSDS for each would answer it.  I'd say the bigger problem is that the fuel is literally boiling away.  It's possible that they have simply delivered storage tanks of the liquid fuel and a quick fuel up would all that's needed.

I am pretty sure solid rocket fuel lasts quite a long time inside the rockets.  We don't see sidewinders falling out.

/works for the company that supplied the fuel for the shuttle.
//pretty low on the totem though and chems isn't my dept.


You seriously don't think air-to-air missles carried on jets are liquid fueled, do you?
 
2013-04-11 10:16:12 AM
WSS -I apologize, I misread your comment.  Carry on!
 
2013-04-11 10:30:11 AM

TXEric: WSS -I apologize, I misread your comment.  Carry on!


Of course they're not liquid fueled. If they're American, they're Jesus filled.
 
2013-04-11 10:31:13 AM

Macinfarker: TXEric: WSS -I apologize, I misread your comment.  Carry on!

Of course they're not liquid fueled. If they're American, they're Jesus filled.


Fueled, you moron, fueled. Stupid phone spelling correcter thingy
 
2013-04-11 10:38:34 AM
These guys are idiots, they think with these threats they're going to get more international aid? No one really thinks that they have the capabilities of doing jack shiat. Only a moron would be afraid of them.
 
2013-04-11 10:48:31 AM

TXEric: White_Scarf_Syndrome: scubamage: Bendal: Uchiha_Cycliste: With the NK miss-all in launch position, does anyone know what the time frame is for a launch? I mean to ask, what is likely the longest we would have to wait before we could assume it's a bluff and they won't do it.

Not all that long; their missiles are liquid fueled and the fuel is corrosive, which is why they only fuel them before launch. I don't knowhow long the fuel can stay in the missile before it damages something important, but it can't be all that long.

If I'm correct, the fuel also begins to separate/break down over time. That's one of the issues that the US and Russia have (per a buddy who was in Naval intel), while a lot of statistics say "the US has  n nuclear weapons ready to launch!" a lot of them are simply not launchable without emptying, scrubbing, and refueling which would take a significant amount of time. Plus the corrosion does take its toll over time. Apparently newer fuels don't have the same issue, nor do solid state fuels.

I'm really not sure about the corrosive properties of liquid oxygen and hydrogen, but a quick check of the MSDS for each would answer it.  I'd say the bigger problem is that the fuel is literally boiling away.  It's possible that they have simply delivered storage tanks of the liquid fuel and a quick fuel up would all that's needed.

I am pretty sure solid rocket fuel lasts quite a long time inside the rockets.  We don't see sidewinders falling out.

/works for the company that supplied the fuel for the shuttle.
//pretty low on the totem though and chems isn't my dept.

You seriously don't think air-to-air missles carried on jets are liquid fueled, do you?


Absolutely not. Not sure if that was addressed to me
 
2013-04-11 10:50:22 AM

xaveth: [img94.imageshack.us image 425x319]
Not Particularly Useful Against Ter... oh wait.


Only if the pilot can breathe.
 
2013-04-11 10:50:53 AM

CaptSacto: As Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener would say: well... you know


I just noticed the gift. Thanks very much for the TF. Sorry I didn't notice it last night.
 
2013-04-11 10:51:36 AM

pippi longstocking: These guys are idiots, they think with these threats they're going to get more international aid? No one really thinks that they have the capabilities of doing jack shiat. Only a moron would be afraid of them.


To be fair, it's worked out pretty well for them in the past.
 
2013-04-11 11:15:15 AM

pippi longstocking: These guys are idiots, they think with these threats they're going to get more international aid? No one really thinks that they have the capabilities of doing jack shiat. Only a moron would be afraid of them.


that's not the point. Un needs to keep the military from staging a coup against him, so he's getting shiat to look real enough that the people get behind him and make it impossible to be removed in a coup without having the populace turn on the military.

that or he's looking for a way out and needs to piss everyone off to get Korea unified again
 
2013-04-11 11:23:15 AM
Smirky The Wonder Chimp: "My history teacher was a Rapture-believing holy roller... a rant from her about Reagan being the Antichrist"

So much for "Fusion Paranoia" being a product of our modern times...
 
2013-04-11 11:26:39 AM

BrieBelle00: doglover: CaptSacto: doglover: CaptSacto: doglover: CaptSacto: Let me know when the Patriots launch.

i will.

Appreciate it. Are you in the neighborhood?

yep

Stay safe, dude.
I'm still of the opinion that this is just another Un wienie wave. They've done this sh*t before, too.
Things could get interesting if the threat appears great enough to launch the Patriots.

There's no general panic here. Business as usual. But it's making me edgy. I don't want to test my "how to survive a nuke" knowledge from those old survival manuals.

I believe the "Duck and Cover" method works equally as well for nuclear fallout as it does for flowing rivers of lava.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x353]


What episode is that I must watch it.
 
2013-04-11 11:49:16 AM
hot and fresh from the editing room

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUP8T7Qar88&feature=share&list=UUJbk9 _o clQsHp2ExBz261Eg

anyone notice they mention "cororado"
 
2013-04-11 11:52:45 AM
Don't NK and Japan have (compared to the US) a relatively placid relationship? I know there are Japanese nationals in NK. Why would they try to hit them?
 
2013-04-11 12:01:44 PM

Lollipop165: Don't NK and Japan have (compared to the US) a relatively placid relationship? I know there are Japanese nationals in NK. Why would they try to hit them?


Given the history of comfort women and NK kidnapping Japanese nationals, a problem only resolved, to some degree, in 2002, I'd say that not enough time has passed to make that relationship placid.
 
2013-04-11 12:21:50 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: I'm really not sure about the corrosive properties of liquid oxygen and hydrogen, but a quick check of the MSDS for each would answer it. I'd say the bigger problem is that the fuel is literally boiling away.


Yeah, you don't want to use cryogenic liquids for anything that has to be on standby for a long time. Those liquid fuels are generally some form of hydrazine with dinitrogen tetroxide or inhibited fuming nitric acid. The book "Ignition" by John D. Clark is worth reading if you have any interest in the subject.
 
2013-04-11 12:45:46 PM
THE SOUTH IS GONNA RISE AGAIN!!!
www.enchantedlearning.com
 
2013-04-11 12:54:50 PM

shortymac: BrieBelle00: doglover: CaptSacto: doglover: CaptSacto: doglover: CaptSacto: Let me know when the Patriots launch.

i will.

Appreciate it. Are you in the neighborhood?

yep

Stay safe, dude.
I'm still of the opinion that this is just another Un wienie wave. They've done this sh*t before, too.
Things could get interesting if the threat appears great enough to launch the Patriots.

There's no general panic here. Business as usual. But it's making me edgy. I don't want to test my "how to survive a nuke" knowledge from those old survival manuals.

I believe the "Duck and Cover" method works equally as well for nuclear fallout as it does for flowing rivers of lava.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x353]

What episode is that I must watch it.


I don't remember the episode number, but it was Season 1, and I think it was actually titled "Duck and Cover"
 
2013-04-11 12:57:59 PM

flak attack: armor helix: HeartBurnKid: armor helix: My only hope is that the the US does not end up getting involved in this nonsense.

Well, we are kind of treaty-bound to step in in South Korea or Japan is attacked.  So you bet we will.

Which treaty are you referring to?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_treaties#1950.E2. 80 .931999 
Japan: Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security Between the United States and Japan
South Korea: Mutual Defense Treaty

You do realize that the US has treaties with countries outside of NATO, right?


I know of a treaty but I'm not familiar with the details. Thanks for the link. I'll go check it out.
 
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