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2013-04-11 04:41:33 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: redsquid: Survival of the species and survival of civilization and culture are two completely different things. Check out Earth Abides by George R. Stewart

I think I saw something like that once:

Oooops. Okay, maybe nothing at all like that.



Damnit, lets try it with the image:

planetarybargains.com
 
2013-04-11 04:47:12 AM  

redsquid: Survival of the species and survival of civilization and culture are two completely different things. Check out Earth Abides by George R. Stewart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Abides With numbers like that, spread all across the globe and cut off from the technologies they depend on, education of the youth and preservation of knowledge become secondary at best. The film Glen and Randa presents this future pretty well http://youtu.be/Lh1WIFG4i0M


That trailer had probably the most bizarre and annoying music I've ever heard.

Was everyone in the early 70s deaf from Woodstock or was every director just trying to give their audiences migraines?
 
2013-04-11 04:57:55 AM  
t.qkme.me
 
2013-04-11 04:58:10 AM  

miss diminutive: redsquid: Survival of the species and survival of civilization and culture are two completely different things. Check out Earth Abides by George R. Stewart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Abides With numbers like that, spread all across the globe and cut off from the technologies they depend on, education of the youth and preservation of knowledge become secondary at best. The film Glen and Randa presents this future pretty well http://youtu.be/Lh1WIFG4i0M

That trailer had probably the most bizarre and annoying music I've ever heard.

Was everyone in the early 70s deaf from Woodstock or was every director just trying to give their audiences migraines?


The movie itself has no music at all except for 'Time Is On My Side' by the Beatles played on a broken record player during the old man's performance. It was some weird marketing thing in the 70's to add weird psychedelic noises to movie trailers to attract the young acid crowd. I love that stuff (the music- not acid) but I'm weird.
 
2013-04-11 04:59:39 AM  

miss diminutive: That trailer had probably the most bizarre and annoying music I've ever heard.

Was everyone in the early 70s deaf from Woodstock or was every director just trying to give their audiences migraines?


You kids and your "Production values". Back then we had crappy movies and we liked it that way. Sexploitation, Blacksploitation, goresploitation whatever. You name it, we exploited it. The whippersnapper Tarantino exploited our exploitation and he got rich off of it and people bought it as something "New". Nope, we invented that shiat back in the 70's. Some of it got shelved in the time machine but if you look you can still find a lot of them. And many are still funny as hell to watch today just in how badly made they were.


Amazon Women From Mars
Bloodsucking Freaks
BoobTube
Kentucky Fried Movie

Almost any 'B' movie from 68-77 and even some of the 'A' movies from that time period.

Watch them and revel in just how bad, yet so good, they really are.
 
2013-04-11 05:01:57 AM  

that bosnian sniper: redsquid: When I was in 6th grade they showed The Day After on TV. If you're not familiar, this is intro enough- http://youtu.be/7VG2aJyIFrA
You can't imagine a more terrifying thing on TV for a kid. They actually had counselors come to the school the next day and spend time with each class discussing our feelings and fears.
I think that constant fear shaped our psyches for several generations and explains a lot of what makes us so crazy as a nation.

Ah, "The Day After" was the pussified American version. "Threads" was the hardcore one.


Just thinking about watching Threads again has me horrified. I saw it when I was twelve and never again. And yes, I do remember Anne Sellors' performance.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1856457/

/actually, the standout memory for me was a scene in which a man collapses and dies while sitting and playing a handheld electronic game, completely isolated and lost and it's like seeing my own death on screen, I played those games too and IT GIVES ME CHILLS.
 
2013-04-11 05:02:19 AM  

awalkingecho: neongoats: We've been sentient for a few thousand years, and here you are, proclaiming us the ultimate survivor species.

I'd like to know what your definition of sentient is, and your definition of 'few', because one of them or the other is wrong.


Are you countering my point, or just nitpicking my hyperbole?
 
2013-04-11 05:03:04 AM  
Opps, Amazon Women on the Moon.
 
2013-04-11 05:05:50 AM  

Radioactive Ass: miss diminutive: That trailer had probably the most bizarre and annoying music I've ever heard.

Was everyone in the early 70s deaf from Woodstock or was every director just trying to give their audiences migraines?

You kids and your "Production values". Back then we had crappy movies and we liked it that way. Sexploitation, Blacksploitation, goresploitation whatever. You name it, we exploited it. The whippersnapper Tarantino exploited our exploitation and he got rich off of it and people bought it as something "New". Nope, we invented that shiat back in the 70's. Some of it got shelved in the time machine but if you look you can still find a lot of them. And many are still funny as hell to watch today just in how badly made they were.


Amazon Women From Mars
Bloodsucking Freaks
BoobTube
Kentucky Fried Movie

Almost any 'B' movie from 68-77 and even some of the 'A' movies from that time period.

Watch them and revel in just how bad, yet so good, they really are.


Groove Tube! I remember seeing the first few minutes of that at the drive in until the boobs came out and mom made me go to sleep. Bonus- it has Richard Belzer in black face drag playing a prostitute in one of the sketches.
 
2013-04-11 05:09:06 AM  

neongoats: Are you countering my point, or just nitpicking my hyperbole?


Mostly the hyperbole. Though, I think the ability to adapt by way of the use of tools (which very efficiently produce better tools) and the protection from predators afforded by weaponry and societal grouping have fairly well placed us ahead of the curve. It ought to be measured by a different metric though, than other species, as a result.

As long as we don't kill ourselves with those tools we should be good to go.
 
2013-04-11 05:09:53 AM  

Radioactive Ass: The whippersnapper Tarantino exploited our exploitation and he got rich off of it


Yo dawg, I heard you like exploitation...
 
2013-04-11 05:09:54 AM  

redsquid: TheShavingofOccam123: Well, boys, it looks like Eisenhower only delayed the US using our nukes on Asians again.

I hope the survivors of all-out, escalated nuclear warfare remember that  America's people--not her government and not her corporations--were in the end decent people for the most part. We quite often took far too long to realize our errors and modify our behavior.

Enjoy the glow, the warmth, and the sloughing off of dead, burned skin. It sure was a beautiful place till we kept banging out babies.

God Save Mrs. Ethel Shroake, of 393A High Street, Leytonstone

OK I love you now. Gonna watch that as soon as A Boy and His Dog ends!




Hopefully, the Norkpocalypse will have as fine a soundtrack as this work of art.
 
2013-04-11 05:09:59 AM  

Radioactive Ass: miss diminutive:

Almost any 'B' movie from 68-77 and even some of the 'A' movies from that time period.

Watch them and revel in just how bad, yet so good, they really are.


What I can't get around in 70's movies is the grainy, green or yellow tinted film.  Maybe it's not tinted and I just see a green or yellow hue.  I know for some reason you old people (heh) were all hip on earthy browns, puke yellow, and avacado / sick puss green, but why was the film like that?  It's awful and while I'm sure there are some pretty awesome movies I'm missing out on, once I see that film, I just...can't.  Earlier decades didn't have film like that.
 
2013-04-11 05:11:28 AM  

redsquid: Radioactive Ass: miss diminutive: That trailer had probably the most bizarre and annoying music I've ever heard.

Was everyone in the early 70s deaf from Woodstock or was every director just trying to give their audiences migraines?

You kids and your "Production values". Back then we had crappy movies and we liked it that way. Sexploitation, Blacksploitation, goresploitation whatever. You name it, we exploited it. The whippersnapper Tarantino exploited our exploitation and he got rich off of it and people bought it as something "New". Nope, we invented that shiat back in the 70's. Some of it got shelved in the time machine but if you look you can still find a lot of them. And many are still funny as hell to watch today just in how badly made they were.


Amazon Women From Mars
Bloodsucking Freaks
BoobTube
Kentucky Fried Movie

Almost any 'B' movie from 68-77 and even some of the 'A' movies from that time period.

Watch them and revel in just how bad, yet so good, they really are.

Groove Tube! I remember seeing the first few minutes of that at the drive in until the boobs came out and mom made me go to sleep. Bonus- it has Richard Belzer in black face drag playing a prostitute in one of the sketches.


It sounds like a USA channel "Up all night" movie line up circa 1993.
 
2013-04-11 05:14:08 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Opps, Amazon Women on the Moon.


**slaps RA**

"Wat was dat? Dis is not a chawade. We need total concentwation."

/Kentucky Fried Movie was one hysterically great movie.
//I'm not wearing any pants. Film at eleven.
 
2013-04-11 05:17:07 AM  

gadian: I know for some reason you old people (heh) were all hip on earthy browns, puke yellow, and avacado / sick puss green,


You just described the kitchen appliances and carpeting of my childhood.
 
2013-04-11 05:31:12 AM  

gadian: Radioactive Ass: miss diminutive:

Almost any 'B' movie from 68-77 and even some of the 'A' movies from that time period.

Watch them and revel in just how bad, yet so good, they really are.

What I can't get around in 70's movies is the grainy, green or yellow tinted film.  Maybe it's not tinted and I just see a green or yellow hue.  I know for some reason you old people (heh) were all hip on earthy browns, puke yellow, and avacado / sick puss green, but why was the film like that?  It's awful and while I'm sure there are some pretty awesome movies I'm missing out on, once I see that film, I just...can't.  Earlier decades didn't have film like that.


One of the reasons for that is poor conservation. Most arthouse and B movies from this period were not properly stored or the originals were lost so the only copies are from reels that were actually distributed and thus scratched, worn and generally abused. Some of these films were never released on video so the only copies are ripped from 3rd generation VHS tapes of late night TV broadcasts or amateur film transfers. I think the grainy washed out look adds to the charm, but it's probably just nostalgia for Saturday afternoons spent watching Dr. Paul Bearer's Creature Feature on TV.
 
2013-04-11 05:39:39 AM  

fiveseven15: Triumph: crypticsatellite: nekom: Fingers crossed it explodes on the launch pad.

I still don't get the US stance of only shooting it down if it isn't going to hit water. Apparently, these missiles have been banned by agreement. Why let them collect data on a completed flight?

Why let them collect data on the efficacy of our anti-missile systems?

Because there's not much data you can collet on a missile with a pair of binoculars and a trapper-keeper


Actually, optical tracking and subsequent triangulation can give very accurate trajectory information. Not exactly 'binoculars', but not so different - basically big telescopes on alt-az mounts are used.
 
2013-04-11 05:40:13 AM  

gadian: What I can't get around in 70's movies is the grainy, green or yellow tinted film. Maybe it's not tinted and I just see a green or yellow hue. I know for some reason you old people (heh) were all hip on earthy browns, puke yellow, and avacado / sick puss green, but why was the film like that? It's awful and while I'm sure there are some pretty awesome movies I'm missing out on, once I see that film, I just...can't. Earlier decades didn't have film like that.


They were filmed on cheap stock (B movies you know, like made on the cheap for some fast cash) and not preserved. When they first shown (I saw a few of them before they went bad) they didn't look like that. You really need to look past that and revel in the glory of their cheesy badness.

Hobo with a shotgun, Machete, Nude nuns with big guns. Watch those to get a feel for the genre without the bad color.
 
2013-04-11 05:45:11 AM  

Radioactive Ass: gadian: What I can't get around in 70's movies is the grainy, green or yellow tinted film. Maybe it's not tinted and I just see a green or yellow hue. I know for some reason you old people (heh) were all hip on earthy browns, puke yellow, and avacado / sick puss green, but why was the film like that? It's awful and while I'm sure there are some pretty awesome movies I'm missing out on, once I see that film, I just...can't. Earlier decades didn't have film like that.

They were filmed on cheap stock (B movies you know, like made on the cheap for some fast cash) and not preserved. When they first shown (I saw a few of them before they went bad) they didn't look like that. You really need to look past that and revel in the glory of their cheesy badness.

Hobo with a shotgun, Machete, Nude nuns with big guns. Watch those to get a feel for the genre without the bad color.


I just wish I could watch some of those movies the way I remember first watching them, the way they were meant to be watched: at a drive-in. Sadly, there are none of those left around here anymore.
 
2013-04-11 05:52:07 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: Radioactive Ass: gadian: What I can't get around in 70's movies is the grainy, green or yellow tinted film. Maybe it's not tinted and I just see a green or yellow hue. I know for some reason you old people (heh) were all hip on earthy browns, puke yellow, and avacado / sick puss green, but why was the film like that? It's awful and while I'm sure there are some pretty awesome movies I'm missing out on, once I see that film, I just...can't. Earlier decades didn't have film like that.

They were filmed on cheap stock (B movies you know, like made on the cheap for some fast cash) and not preserved. When they first shown (I saw a few of them before they went bad) they didn't look like that. You really need to look past that and revel in the glory of their cheesy badness.

Hobo with a shotgun, Machete, Nude nuns with big guns. Watch those to get a feel for the genre without the bad color.

I just wish I could watch some of those movies the way I remember first watching them, the way they were meant to be watched: full of ludes and Boone's Farm at a drive-in. Sadly, there are none of those left around here anymore.


FTFus
 
2013-04-11 05:52:10 AM  

Charlie Freak: Oh well, fark sleep I guess. Interestingly, I just had a twinge of the anxiety I had as a child growing up in the Cold War. Just a little, but seriously, that shiat sucked. As I listen to my kids breathe right now (they crawl into our room damn near every night), I am thankful they never had to go through that mindfark. No kid should. End this old-school pseudo-commie bullshiat blow-up-the-world propaganda so we can get back to the slow morphine drip our banks feed us.


Every last person I grew up with in the 1980s was convinced that, one way or another, we were going to live to see the world come to an end, with the only question remaining being how much it was going to hurt and how long we would suffer before we finally died.  I got it from the teachers at school, I got it from my grandparents, I got it from my parents, my aunts and uncles, my friends. We watched The Day After, When the Wind Blows and Threads in school, because for some unholy reason, the administrators thought it would be a good idea.  My history teacher was a Rapture-believing holy roller--I was ten when I came home from school one day in a massive thunderstorm after we'd gotten a rant from her about Reagan being the Antichrist and how the rapture was imminent, found my house deserted and the power and phones off, and I actually freaked because I suddenly thought that the Rapture had come and I was one of the ones left.  I spent the next four hours in a dark corner crying for me and for my dogs (I'd been told that all animals would die over the next seven years) before someone finally showed up to get me--my grandfather had been taken to the hospital and in the asses-and-elbows confusion that followed no one had thought to write a note or come to check.

It wasn't until I actually became an adult that the fear went away, because I was actually just too farking tired of being afraid anymore.  Mostly.  When stories like this float up, that little ghost of a worm that those people left deep in my soul turns over in its sleep, and a small part of me still wonders if this is going to be what kicks off the End of Everything.  Like surviving a tornado--every time the wind blows and the pressure drops for years after that, you get this urge to head for the basement.

It never quite goes away completely, does it?
 
2013-04-11 05:54:55 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Charlie Freak: Oh well, fark sleep I guess. Interestingly, I just had a twinge of the anxiety I had as a child growing up in the Cold War. Just a little, but seriously, that shiat sucked. As I listen to my kids breathe right now (they crawl into our room damn near every night), I am thankful they never had to go through that mindfark. No kid should. End this old-school pseudo-commie bullshiat blow-up-the-world propaganda so we can get back to the slow morphine drip our banks feed us.

Every last person I grew up with in the 1980s was convinced that, one way or another, we were going to live to see the world come to an end, with the only question remaining being how much it was going to hurt and how long we would suffer before we finally died.  I got it from the teachers at school, I got it from my grandparents, I got it from my parents, my aunts and uncles, my friends. We watched The Day After, When the Wind Blows and Threads in school, because for some unholy reason, the administrators thought it would be a good idea.  My history teacher was a Rapture-believing holy roller--I was ten when I came home from school one day in a massive thunderstorm after we'd gotten a rant from her about Reagan being the Antichrist and how the rapture was imminent, found my house deserted and the power and phones off, and I actually freaked because I suddenly thought that the Rapture had come and I was one of the ones left.  I spent the next four hours in a dark corner crying for me and for my dogs (I'd been told that all animals would die over the next seven years) before someone finally showed up to get me--my grandfather had been taken to the hospital and in the asses-and-elbows confusion that followed no one had thought to write a note or come to check.

It wasn't until I actually became an adult that the fear went away, because I was actually just too farking tired of being afraid anymore.  Mostly.  When stories like this float up, that little ghost of a worm that those people le ...


PTSD on a generational scale.
 
2013-04-11 05:58:21 AM  
Why did they mention Austin as a target?  If it's for the reason I think it is, I am sitting here at work, at ground freakin' zero.

-Goes to check the site emergency plan for imminent warhead strike, if it exists.  Oh, plane crash, that'll have to do.

I'm sitting here wondering how quickly I could drain one of these 1200 liter tanks, get the 18 or so 1.5" bolts off the lid, and climb inside.
 
Juc
2013-04-11 06:03:33 AM  
I wouldn't worry if you're in austin, their rockets are unlikely to get anywhere remotely near there
 
2013-04-11 06:05:10 AM  
Yes it's true
s4.postimg.org
This man has NO DONG!
 
2013-04-11 06:05:20 AM  
Korea is a peninsula and Florida is a peninsula... Coincidence?
 
2013-04-11 06:07:31 AM  

redsquid: PTSD on a generational scale.


I think that that's probably a fair description for many people. I know that after the fall of the USSR it doesn't get discussed much even though in reality the weapons and the targets remain the same, it was the tension that dropped. At least Putin isn't the type to bang a podium shouting "We will bury you!".
 
2013-04-11 06:08:52 AM  

Juc: I wouldn't worry if you're in austin, their rockets are unlikely to get anywhere remotely near there


I know.  I have this sick desire to witness nuclear holocaust.

The dreams don't come so much anymore since my son was born, but I still like to talk about it.

I don't really want it.  I guess I'm just bored.
 
2013-04-11 06:09:30 AM  

Radioactive Ass: At least Putin isn't the type to bang a podium shouting "We will bury you!".


No... rather, he makes those plans silently so that they will come without warning

Even worse, if you ask me.
 
2013-04-11 06:22:35 AM  

awalkingecho: Radioactive Ass: At least Putin isn't the type to bang a podium shouting "We will bury you!".

No... rather, he makes those plans silently so that they will come without warning

Even worse, if you ask me.


The Cold War was all about rhetoric first, actions were a far second. Russia is still a power to be reckoned with and anyone who thinks differently is a fool but they are not flinging the rhetoric that they did as the USSR nor are they playing proxy wars with us, I'm fine with that. As long as they don't start trying to shift borders or annex or otherwise mess with the current world order then I say let them be internally. Crazy people aren't running the show (Putin is not a crazy man, power hungry? Probably yes, but not murderously crazy like some of his predecessors).
 
2013-04-11 06:25:36 AM  

DamnYankees: There's NO REASON for them to do this.


The Norks think they're living in their own action screenplay, as best I can tell.  There was no "reason" for the Joker to torch his own pile of money, was there?
 
2013-04-11 06:33:00 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: There was no "reason" for the Joker to torch his own pile of money, was there?


The guy on top. It was an ironic death.
 
2013-04-11 06:41:52 AM  
NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.
 
2013-04-11 06:45:07 AM  

Juc: I wouldn't worry if you're in austin, their rockets are unlikely to get anywhere remotely near there


I wouldn't put too much value in what we think we know.
 
2013-04-11 06:47:57 AM  

Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.


This, which is why I think nothing's been launched thus far. I'm starting to wonder if he just realized he's painted himself into a corner and is trying to think of a way out.
 
2013-04-11 06:50:41 AM  

Canton: Treygreen13: farkingismybusiness: CygnusDarius: AGremlin: If this goes down, and US forces kick Nork butt up past the parallel again...shouldn't we start getting substantial discounts on Kias and Hyundais from now on?  Hell, for that matter, all South Korean products.

I could certainly do with some kimchi.

I'm pretty adventurous with food, love most Asian dishes, but I had kimchi about a decade ago and hated it. Worth revisiting even if I hate cabbage?

If you hate cabbage, it's extremely doubtful you'll learn to love kimchi.

What if you like sauerkraut?

No, really, I've never had kimchi, and my curiosity has been renewed.


I like sauerkraut but kimchi was another animal all together. I'm not a fan. The flavor profiles are way different.
 
2013-04-11 06:53:40 AM  

Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.


Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention
 
2013-04-11 06:56:29 AM  

Bontesla: Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.

Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention


Except Un is both young and inexperienced. We don't know who's calling the shots this time, but since it has a different feel compared to past posturing I'd say Un is at the helm and is mucking it up.
 
2013-04-11 06:58:34 AM  

Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.

Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention

Except Un is both young and inexperienced. We don't know who's calling the shots this time, but since it has a different feel compared to past posturing I'd say Un is at the helm and is mucking it up.


He was raised in an environment that perfected their own brand of posturing. To suggest that Un doesn't know how to posture properly thus explaining everything is highly unlikely.
 
2013-04-11 07:01:40 AM  

vygramul: redsquid: I know what you mean. It's like a feeling of nostalgic fear. I'm sure the Germans have a word for it.

Nostalgischeangst


Let me know when your YouTube movie comes out.
 
2013-04-11 07:04:02 AM  

Bontesla: I wouldn't put too much value in what we think we know.


lewis.armscontrolwonk.com

All I know is that I'm not afraid of a nuclear attack from countries where they're pretty sure that the ground track of a missile flying between two points on a sphere is a straight line.
 
2013-04-11 07:06:20 AM  

digistil: I'm starting to wonder if he just realized he's painted himself into a corner and is trying to think of a way out.


He's trying to get a hold of his father's contacts in the Film Actors Guild
 
2013-04-11 07:07:49 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: Bontesla: I wouldn't put too much value in what we think we know.



All I know is that I'm not afraid of a nuclear attack from countries where they're pretty sure that the ground track of a missile flying between two points on a sphere is a straight line.


Lol Yeah that picture wasn't an actual plan. You know that, right? That's a backdrop meant for his people and has been seen in a lot of Nork press releases.

Unless you honestly think Nork Korea would take a staged picture in front of actual strike plans? This wasn't a candid shot.
 
2013-04-11 07:08:12 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: miss diminutive: Well, except for that whole nuclear winter thing.

That's always been pretty questionable. Kind of like the fears about how the first nuke detonation might ignite the atmosphere of Earth. You might see a slight temperature change in some areas after, but again, i don't think it would live up to the hype. Just more of the fearmongering and exaggeration that's surrounded nukes from the start.

The only thing the entire planet should fear about all the nukes exploding would be all the radiation. The cancer deaths and birth defects that would come in the years after, but Fukushima already has a pretty good head start on that.


CAn you imagine the global warming concerns after a nuclear exchange?

You'd never get Gore to shut the fark up then!
 
2013-04-11 07:12:20 AM  
FYI: A GIS for 'Secretary' brings back heaps of pictures of Hillary, Chuck Hagel, and John Kerry.

/boner killer
 
2013-04-11 07:30:27 AM  

Charlie Freak: redlegrick: I'm with the crowd saying this is just another tantrum Un is throwing. Maybe he will launch one of his missiles. Maybe it will be shot down. I doubt him or his generals have the stones to actually go for it afterward. If they do, Seoul is farked for sure, there's just too much conventional arty zeroed in on it, no matter how good the Air Force and Navy are, they won't be able to get them all.

It won't be hours or days. Maybe two to four weeks before they get bludgeoned into some semblance of reason. Their nukes don't bother me-too large and primitive, the only conceivable way would be to stick it in a shipping container and they'd probably need a substantial ground team to set it off. They know that. Rattling a saber makes noise, drawing one doesn't. Can't remember where I heard that, but that's my feeling.

People who talk about all the artillery that will turn Seoul into dust instantly lose credibility. There are plenty of write ups floating around about the actual capabilities of the NorK artillery and the geographic limitations thereof. Granted, the northern suburbs wouldn't be a place where I'd want to be, but the heart of Seoul would be relatively okay.


Panicking civilians are good for infrastructure?  Indirect fire has indirect effects...
 
2013-04-11 07:36:13 AM  

Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.

Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention

Except Un is both young and inexperienced. We don't know who's calling the shots this time, but since it has a different feel compared to past posturing I'd say Un is at the helm and is mucking it up.

He was raised in an environment that perfected their own brand of posturing. To suggest that Un doesn't know how to posture properly thus explaining everything is highly unlikely.


Maybe, but that assumes Un was present in that environment growing.

Let's assume you're right. Since this is different than the usual posturing, are you suggesting this isn't actually posturing? My point is that he's put himself in a bind, and if he's merely posturing than he's done a bad job of it. If he's not posturing, war is actually imminent.
 
2013-04-11 07:37:21 AM  

Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: Bontesla: Macinfarker: NK's escalation and the lack of response has actually put Un in quite a pickle. If he backs down he's a coward in the people's eyes. If he only tests missiles he's a liar, incompetent and/or a coward. If he launches and it fails he's incompetent. If he launches and strikes a target the people get what they "want" but the victory will be short-lived.

Un postured himself into a corner and will have to make hard decisions in getting out of it. The response from the U.S. et al has been light but clever.

Usually people planning on posturing build themselves an out. Nork has had decades worth of experience posturing. Had they wanted an out, Un would have created one.

Anyone who is chalking this up to a stupid leader being stupid hasn't been paying attention

Except Un is both young and inexperienced. We don't know who's calling the shots this time, but since it has a different feel compared to past posturing I'd say Un is at the helm and is mucking it up.

He was raised in an environment that perfected their own brand of posturing. To suggest that Un doesn't know how to posture properly thus explaining everything is highly unlikely.

Maybe, but that assumes Un was present in that environment growing.

Let's assume you're right. Since this is different than the usual posturing, are you suggesting this isn't actually posturing? My point is that he's put himself in a bind, and if he's merely posturing than he's done a bad job of it. If he's not posturing, war is actually imminent.


Growing up, that is
 
2013-04-11 07:38:35 AM  

jaybeezey: CAn you imagine the global warming concerns after a nuclear exchange?

You'd never get Gore to shut the fark up then!


Actually there's a good bit of research that suggests a limited nuclear exchange would temporarily help counteract global warming. All the particulate matter that would get thrown up into the atmosphere, and whatnot.
 
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