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2013-04-10 10:16:48 PM
Already got my big damn hero hat.
 
2013-04-10 11:46:11 PM
Could have been a franchise series with spinoffs and several movies to exploit worldwide.

Instead, reduced to a one-season one-day marathon rerun thing and....maybe selling some knit hats.

Business decisions, how do you make them?
 
2013-04-11 01:51:44 AM
Rupert Murdoch hates home made knit hats. And you, libbie.
 
2013-04-11 06:53:43 AM
come a day there won't be room for naughty men like us to slip about at all.
 
2013-04-11 07:00:54 AM
Stupid. They can't stop the signal. It's not like they can claim a patent on home-made orange and yellow knit hats. All the shops have to do is change the name of the item to something like "Cunning Hats" or "Hats by Someone With a Girl's Name" and they're legally in the clear, no?

All this does is promote more bad will towards Fox, as well as towards the company making the official hats, and even ThinkGeek for carrying the official hats. I think that ThinkGeek is handling the situation well (they are donating all profits from any official Jayne hats to charity), but it still gives them a bit of a black eye.

I don't have my own cunning hat yet (I live in Thailand; not much call for a knit beanie), but when I do get one, it will certainly be one hand-made by a fan.
 
2013-04-11 07:17:49 AM
All they have to do is stop calling it the "Jayne hat" and they'll be fine, they cant claim copywrite on all orange and yellow hats.
 
2013-04-11 08:11:46 AM

ReapTheChaos: All they have to do is stop calling it the "Jayne hat" and they'll be fine, they cant claim copywrite on all orange and yellow hats.


Surely they can just call it something like "That Hat" and fans of the show would understand what that means.

You figured the demand would die down by now. I mean how many ugly hats does one fan need?

Also, fark Thinkgeek - dag gone overpriced... Big Bang Theory of online retailers. Not over this, just in general.
 
2013-04-11 08:14:33 AM

desolation15: ReapTheChaos: All they have to do is stop calling it the "Jayne hat" and they'll be fine, they cant claim copywrite on all orange and yellow hats.

Surely they can just call it something like "That Hat" and fans of the show would understand what that means.

You figured the demand would die down by now. I mean how many ugly hats does one fan need?

Also, fark Thinkgeek - dag gone overpriced... Big Bang Theory of online retailers. Not over this, just in general.


The problem with calling it "That Hat" is getting it to show up on a google search. "Cunning Hat" would work though
 
2013-04-11 08:23:22 AM
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that people dumb enough to think Firefly is coming back are dumb enough not to realize that using trademarked Firefly words to make money would case Fox to sue them.
 
2013-04-11 08:27:45 AM
How about, "The hat that is not at all related to a piece of Fox's intellectual property which we cannot mention by name, but can be recognized by our brown coats."

You know that guy selling t-shirts outside the concert venue? The guy with the real shifty look and kinda irregular looking merchandise? That's basically the same thing- unlicensed merch is unlicensed merch. It has, and always will, exist in a legal grey area. It isn't about patents or copyrights (neither of which can apply to fashion items), it's about  trademarks. Jayne's Hat is a recognizable part of the "Firefly" franchise. It's a piece of their brand. Disney can go after anybody making and selling home-brew "Mouse Ear" hats, so this is something fairly similar.

Legality aside, though, going after your fans is completely idiotic. It's ham-handed- while it's worth stamping out any merch-mills that are churning out these knockoffs in bulk, I sincerely doubt that there are actually very many of those. This is mostly fans trading directly with fans. But hey, alienate your rabid fanbase. I'm sure they won't turn on you in a screaming horde of incoherence.
 
2013-04-11 08:34:51 AM
Smart damage control think geek:  http://www.thinkgeek.com/blog/2013/04/jayne-hat-proceeds-to-cant-sto. h tml

still not getting mah monies.
 
2013-04-11 08:49:10 AM
Thing is that Fox didn't go after just hats on Etsy, they did a sweep of everything Firefly related.  I have a friend who make a bit of extra scratch selling geeky dolls and puppets on Etsy.  Last week she got C&D notices for all of her stock that had anything to do with Firefly.
 
2013-04-11 08:59:11 AM

Weaver95: come a day there won't be room for naughty men like us to slip about at all.


I aim to misbehave. I'm buying my hat in Jaynesville.
 
2013-04-11 09:01:13 AM
One part of Fox isn't talking to another.

The licensing guys should be knocking on the TV production guys doors with "let us show you how much stuff people are doing with Firefly. Might be worth putting something up on Kickstarter".

Personally, I quite like Firefly, but IMO it's nothing special. But there's definitely a lot of people out there that love it.
 
2013-04-11 09:02:39 AM

farkeruk: One part of Fox isn't talking to another.

The licensing guys should be knocking on the TV production guys doors with "let us show you how much stuff people are doing with Firefly. Might be worth putting something up on Kickstarter".

Personally, I quite like Firefly, but IMO it's nothing special. But there's definitely a lot of people out there that love it.


They could have done movies like the Star Trek franchise. But they really must hate something about it at Fox.
 
2013-04-11 09:22:20 AM
So much for my plan to sell Ice Planets.

/My food is problematic
 
2013-04-11 09:28:22 AM
So will I get sued if I go to my bunk?
 
2013-04-11 09:45:36 AM

theurge14: So will I get sued if I go to my bunk?


Well, maybe after they've resolved the criminal charges.
 
2013-04-11 09:46:05 AM

wejash: Could have been a franchise series with spinoffs and several movies to exploit worldwide.

Instead, reduced to a one-season one-day marathon rerun thing and....maybe selling some knit hats.

Business decisions, how do you make them?


 Ratings how do they work? When the farking show couldn't even pull a 2 share and cost 2 million dollars an episode you expect a network to keep it on the air? Where did you get your GED in network programming, because that is some fine work there Lou.

I'm so sick of you farking Firefly fans it was 13 episodes and one movie, now you farkers are going to whine and wank about it for the next 50 years. Get the fark over it, you didn't love the show when it aired, you did not watch the show when it aired, and now you just a farking poser douche for continuing to masturbate to it.
 
2013-04-11 09:46:10 AM

theurge14: So will I get sued if I go to my bunk?


Yes, you're no longer allowed to "be in your bunk", it violates intellectual property.

Also, hand over your Blue Sun t-shirt and your brown coat, those are copyrighted, trademarked items.
 
2013-04-11 09:46:11 AM
Insanity.

What meeting do you bring up that small online retailers are selling hats that greatly resemble ones that were in a never aired and cancelled television property from over a decade ago?
 
2013-04-11 09:58:40 AM

Slaves2Darkness: wejash: Could have been a franchise series with spinoffs and several movies to exploit worldwide.

Instead, reduced to a one-season one-day marathon rerun thing and....maybe selling some knit hats.

Business decisions, how do you make them?

 Ratings how do they work? When the farking show couldn't even pull a 2 share and cost 2 million dollars an episode you expect a network to keep it on the air? Where did you get your GED in network programming, because that is some fine work there Lou.

I'm so sick of you farking Firefly fans it was 13 episodes and one movie, now you farkers are going to whine and wank about it for the next 50 years. Get the fark over it, you didn't love the show when it aired, you did not watch the show when it aired, and now you just a farking poser douche for continuing to masturbate to it.


The current ratings system is farking useless and not really an effective judge of actual viewership. They are still using the same system they used in the 50's to determine who is watching what.

The Neilson system should be taken out back and put down.
 
2013-04-11 10:06:47 AM

mitEj: The current ratings system is farking useless and not really an effective judge of actual viewership.


Regardless, nobody actually watched "Firefly" when it was on. This arises from poor marketing, but if a network doesn't think a show is going to do well, they are unlikely to invest heavily in marketing it, unlikely to give it a good time slot, and unlikely to nurture it. Thus, when a suit says, "I don't think this show is going to do well," it creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

This happens all the time. It's a shame that "Firefly" didn't get more episodes (for certain values of shame- hearing some of the expanded universe stuff Whedon cranked out in comics, and some of the "things we would have done had we had the chance", I think it's better it died too soon than too late), but the righteous indignation some people carry over the show is completely misplaced.

You don't see "The Cape" or "Journeyman" fans crying over pictures of Keith David or that guy from "Rome".

//I'm just kidding. You don't see any "The Cape" fans, at least none that will admit it.
 
2013-04-11 10:15:15 AM

t3knomanser: mitEj: The current ratings system is farking useless and not really an effective judge of actual viewership.

Regardless, nobody actually watched "Firefly" when it was on. This arises from poor marketing, but if a network doesn't think a show is going to do well, they are unlikely to invest heavily in marketing it, unlikely to give it a good time slot, and unlikely to nurture it. Thus, when a suit says, "I don't think this show is going to do well," it creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

This happens all the time. It's a shame that "Firefly" didn't get more episodes (for certain values of shame- hearing some of the expanded universe stuff Whedon cranked out in comics, and some of the "things we would have done had we had the chance", I think it's better it died too soon than too late), but the righteous indignation some people carry over the show is completely misplaced.

You don't see "The Cape" or "Journeyman" fans crying over pictures of Keith David or that guy from "Rome".

//I'm just kidding. You don't see any "The Cape" fans, at least none that will admit it.


Fark you I liked The Cape, and was sad to see it cancelled, but yeah you don't see me wanking about it. The Cape, Caprica, etc... goes to show that "fans" don't really like smart TV, they just want the same westerns, fantasies or cop dramas we have seen thousands of times.
 
2013-04-11 10:15:24 AM

Slaves2Darkness: wejash: Could have been a franchise series with spinoffs and several movies to exploit worldwide.

Instead, reduced to a one-season one-day marathon rerun thing and....maybe selling some knit hats.

Business decisions, how do you make them?

 Ratings how do they work? When the farking show couldn't even pull a 2 share and cost 2 million dollars an episode you expect a network to keep it on the air? Where did you get your GED in network programming, because that is some fine work there Lou.

I'm so sick of you farking Firefly fans it was 13 episodes and one movie, now you farkers are going to whine and wank about it for the next 50 years. Get the fark over it, you didn't love the show when it aired, you did not watch the show when it aired, and now you just a farking poser douche for continuing to masturbate to it.


You know what would help? Not coming in to Firefly related Fark threads to shiat on things.

Whiny little troll biatch.
 
2013-04-11 10:32:35 AM

Hebalo: I'm so sick of you farking Firefly fans it was 13 episodes and one movie, now you farkers are going to whine and wank about it for the next 50 years. Get the fark over it, you didn't love the show when it aired, you did not watch the show when it aired, and now you just a farking poser douche for continuing to masturbate to it.

You know what would help? Not coming in to Firefly related Fark threads to shiat on things.

Whiny little troll biatch.


He has a point though.  Firefly was cancelled because it cost too much money to produce, and nobody watched it during the first run.  And unlike Star Trek (which had a similar fate), there was not enough backlash from the people that did watch it to get it brought back.

/Tried watching Firefly
//Turned the first episode off half way through
///On 4 separate occasions
////Slashies!
 
2013-04-11 10:34:01 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Ratings how do they work? When the farking show couldn't even pull a 2 share and cost 2 million dollars an episode you expect a network to keep it on the air?


It's not just Firefly. Big media (especially Fox) makes a habit out of dropping really good shows. It goes all the way back to a little show called 'Star Trek'. You may not have heard of it. It was almost cancelled after 2 years. After Millions of letters were received, NBC reluctantly put up a 3rd season... at 10:00 PM Friday night, an hour undesirable for its younger audience. As Roddenberry put it- "If the network wants to kill us, it couldn't make a better move".

The show was cancelled after the 3rd season.

Since then, there have been 5 new Star Trek Series, 12 movies, and hundreds of original novels, short stories, and television and movie adaptations. Star Trek-based comics have been published almost continuously since 1967 by several companies. The Star Trek franchise also has numerous games in many different formats. Star Trek and its spin-offs have proven highly popular in syndication and are currently shown on TV stations worldwide. It has become one of most popular (and profitable) cultural phenomenons... ever.


Firefly could have been that. But, hey, who wants to start a multi-decade long entertainment franchise that'll earn Billions?? I just wanna make money NOW, and those ratings stink. (Never-mind we didn't bother advertising the show, didn't air all the episodes, and aired the few we did OUT OF ORDER. Cancel it, and make a reality show instead.
 
2013-04-11 10:37:37 AM

Edymnion: /Tried watching Firefly
//Turned the first episode off half way through
///On 4 separate occasions



Which 'first' episode? The one meant to be first, or the one they aired first on TV?
 
2013-04-11 10:44:43 AM

Edymnion: He has a point though. Firefly was cancelled because it cost too much money to produce, and nobody watched it during the first run. And unlike Star Trek (which had a similar fate), there was not enough backlash from the people that did watch it to get it brought back.


Okay then. Firefly fans can moan and whine for 7 more years, until we get Firefly:TNG (18 years after the orginal show aired).
 
2013-04-11 10:45:39 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Fark you I liked The Cape, and was sad to see it cancelled, but yeah you don't see me wanking about it.


I liked "The Cape" too. It had Keith David, and Keith David makes everything awesome.

But let's be honest, I didn't like it because it was a  good show. It was laughably bad- but mostly aware of that fact.
 
2013-04-11 11:06:51 AM
nobody watched firefly because every time they tried to watch firefly, hey!  surprise!  pre-empted for baseball!
 
2013-04-11 11:12:11 AM

fredklein: Slaves2Darkness: Ratings how do they work? When the farking show couldn't even pull a 2 share and cost 2 million dollars an episode you expect a network to keep it on the air?

It's not just Firefly. Big media (especially Fox) makes a habit out of dropping really good shows. It goes all the way back to a little show called 'Star Trek'. You may not have heard of it. It was almost cancelled after 2 years. After Millions of letters were received, NBC reluctantly put up a 3rd season... at 10:00 PM Friday night, an hour undesirable for its younger audience. As Roddenberry put it- "If the network wants to kill us, it couldn't make a better move".

The show was cancelled after the 3rd season.

Since then, there have been 5 new Star Trek Series, 12 movies, and hundreds of original novels, short stories, and television and movie adaptations. Star Trek-based comics have been published almost continuously since 1967 by several companies. The Star Trek franchise also has numerous games in many different formats. Star Trek and its spin-offs have proven highly popular in syndication and are currently shown on TV stations worldwide. It has become one of most popular (and profitable) cultural phenomenons... ever.


Firefly could have been that. But, hey, who wants to start a multi-decade long entertainment franchise that'll earn Billions?? I just wanna make money NOW, and those ratings stink. (Never-mind we didn't bother advertising the show, didn't air all the episodes, and aired the few we did OUT OF ORDER. Cancel it, and make a reality show instead.


If I remember correctly Firefly was put on Friday nights from the get-go. I caught a couple of episodes by accident and I was so pumped someone finally was making some good science fiction. Never saw promos for it except late, late at night. I enjoyed it so much I set aside that timeslot to watch it; would wait to go out until after. Within two weeks it disappeared and I was like: WTF? If they played their cards right they could've cashed in instead of checking-out.
 
2013-04-11 11:23:35 AM
Or you could just do this:

http://www.etsy.com/listing/129006395/controversial-hat-with-a-backst o ry

Shiny!
 
2013-04-11 11:28:17 AM

Slaves2Darkness: I'm so sick of you farking Firefly fans it was 13 episodes and one movie, now you farkers are going to whine and wank about it for the next 50 years.


Actually it was 14 episodes.  If you're going to rant at least get your facts straight.

Also, if it bothers you so much why the fark did you bother to click on a thread that was obviously Firefly related?  It's not like someone went off on a tangent and it sparked a Firefly discussion, it was in the goddamn title of the thread.  You knew what you were in for when you clicked, but you did it anyway.  Do you somehow think you're going to get people to stop complaining about it?  Are you delusional, or just a masochist?
 
2013-04-11 11:38:19 AM
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Just try and take it away from me!
 
2013-04-11 12:11:28 PM
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2013-04-11 12:49:28 PM

I_C_Weener: They could have done movies like the Star Trek franchise. But they really must hate something about it at Fox.


For some reason I was only thinking of the TV series, and forget to include Serenity in my thinking, which I thought was a really good movie, that should have shown the studio the real potential.

And Firefly certainly showed potential. There's a load of great TV shows where S1 pales next to S2 and S3. Frasier, Archer, Breaking Bad, Black Adder, ST:TNG. They're still watchable, but not great. There's very few great Episodes from S1 of Frasier.
 
2013-04-11 01:40:07 PM
Thirtyseven posts and no gorram?
/Gorram.
 
2013-04-11 01:49:40 PM

Slaves2Darkness: I'm so sick of you farking Firefly fans it was 13 episodes and one movie, now you farkers are going to whine and wank about it for the next 50 years. Get the fark over it, you didn't love the show when it aired, you did not watch the show when it aired, and now you just a farking poser douche for continuing to masturbate to it.



weknowmemes.com
 
2013-04-11 02:02:07 PM

Need a Dispenser Here: [tf2wiki.net image 200x170]
Just try and take it away from me!


Seriously. Just call it the Tough Guy Toque and start selling them again.
 
2013-04-11 03:36:06 PM
Am I the only on who thinks people look silly wearing those hats?
 
2013-04-11 03:42:17 PM
ohhh. does this mean we get Firefly:TNG in 10 more years?
 
2013-04-11 04:25:21 PM

Lee451: Am I the only on who thinks people look silly wearing those hats?


You are the only one who does not realize thats the joke.
 
2013-04-11 05:51:50 PM
 
2013-04-11 08:42:09 PM

farkeruk: And Firefly certainly showed potential. There's a load of great TV shows where S1 pales next to S2 and S3. Frasier, Archer, Breaking Bad, Black Adder, ST:TNG. They're still watchable, but not great. There's very few great Episodes from S1 of Frasier.


You can add The Venture Brothers to that list.  Season 1 wasn't bad by any means, and it really starts picking up steam towards the end, but season 2 just blows it away.
 
2013-04-12 12:01:53 AM

Klivian: desolation15: ReapTheChaos: All they have to do is stop calling it the "Jayne hat" and they'll be fine, they cant claim copywrite on all orange and yellow hats.

Surely they can just call it something like "That Hat" and fans of the show would understand what that means.

You figured the demand would die down by now. I mean how many ugly hats does one fan need?

Also, fark Thinkgeek - dag gone overpriced... Big Bang Theory of online retailers. Not over this, just in general.

The problem with calling it "That Hat" is getting it to show up on a google search. "Cunning Hat" would work though


http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/That_Gun ?
 
2013-04-12 08:05:57 AM

I_C_Weener: They could have done movies like the Star Trek franchise. But they really must hate something about it at Fox.


My wacky 'Epileptic Trees' theory on that is that the show is too libertarian for Rupert Murdoch's tastes and he, fearing that encouraging American libertarianism among young, geek intellectuals will result in further dilution of the Republican party's youth base, deliberately and with malice aforethought, crushed it. And to be fair, there are a hell of a lot of Ron Paul fanboys who Browncoat it up on the comic-con scene.

But really, I think the problem was that it was 2003. Nobody over 40 outside the sci-fi crowd really understood or could've predicted then that geek culture was going to go so mainstream, that TV-on-DVD was going to be a boom or that online-fueled word-of-mouth was going to be a much, much bigger deal than anything the media had ever seen. And some executives who were both older and less geeky than the target audience dropped the ball. Wrong person for the wrong job at a difficult moment in history. Same as so many other cases of good things cut off too soon.
 
2013-04-12 01:33:20 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: But really, I think the problem was that it was 2003. Nobody over 40 outside the sci-fi crowd really understood or could've predicted...


Well, if you're a TV executive, over 40 and not a sci-fi geek, then maybe, just maybe, you should consult with someone a) under 40, and b) a sci-fi geek.

/Durr...'Target audience'? What's that?
 
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