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2013-04-11 06:24:55 AM

thamike: Relax, people, It's a Slate article that fails to mention a few glaring pieces of f*cking evidence:

* Tognarelli also sentenced Oduwole to 364 days and a $1,000 fine on a related conviction of illegally having or storing a loaded pistol in his on-campus apartment the day he was arrested in July 2007

*  Oduwole was attending the Illinois school's 13,000-student Edwardsville campus, northeast of St. Louis, when campus police found a piece of paper in his abandoned car, which they had impounded and was out of gas. The writing demanded payment to a PayPal account, threatening "if this account doesn't reach $50,000 in the next 7 days then a murderous rampage similar to the VT shooting will occur at another highly populated university. THIS IS NOT A JOKE!"

*  Even before the piece of paper was found in his car, Oduwole was being scrutinized by federal agents

*  A gun dealer had tipped them off earlier in the month that Oduwole appeared overly anxious to get four semiautomatic weapons - including an Uzi-like Mac 10 - that he had ordered.

There's even more than that.  This guy was given very careful scrutiny.  And he was found guilty by a jury.  Just because some blogger thinks he can Hunter S Thompson everything into being a tale of a systematically abused judicial system doesn't make it so.


Dude, you're ruining the lib outrage / race card circle jerk with silly facts.
 
2013-04-11 06:53:50 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Alphax: Wait.. 2007, sentenced to five years.. conviction overturned last month, 6 years after 2007.  And someone wants to put him back in?

Just let the poor guy go, and see if anyone will hire him now.  You've done plenty of damage to his life already.

the Illinois college student who in 2011 was sentenced to five years in prison

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/03/12/olutosin_oduwole_illinois _ appeals_court_finds_that_bad_rap_lyrics_are_not.html">http://www.slat e.com/blogs/crime/2013/03/12/olutosin_oduwole_illinois_ appeals_court_finds_that_bad_rap_lyrics_are_not.html


From this link:

Before police could tow it, they were required to inventory its contents, and while doing so they found a handwritten note threatening that "a murderous rampage similar to the VT shooting will occur at another  prestigious highly populated university. THIS IS NOT A JOKE!"

The note and the car were traced back to Oduwole, a SIU-E student who had recently drawn police attention after ordering four semi-automatic handguns over the Internet


Putting the two together I understand the police being worried.
 
2013-04-11 07:13:39 AM
This is the dumbest thread ever. So a guy makes a credible threat to kill people, but the police shouldn't get involved?
 
2013-04-11 07:25:22 AM
We have lots of thought crimes in this country. Lots of pre-crimes, too. And our prisons are full of people for committing them. Did Ric Romero write this article?
 
2013-04-11 07:32:42 AM
*  A gun dealer had tipped them off earlier in the month that Oduwole appeared overly anxious to get four semiautomatic weapons - including an Uzi-like Mac 10 - that he had ordered.

WTF, was it a MAC 10 or an Uzi you stupid biatches.  Or did a MAC 10 have sex with an Uzi to make a Muzi?
 
2013-04-11 07:39:44 AM
Nothing new. My wife finds me guilty of toughtcrime on a regular basis.
 
2013-04-11 07:43:36 AM

FullMetalPanda: WTF, was it a MAC 10 or an Uzi you stupid biatches


Reading, how the hell does it work?
 
2013-04-11 07:43:45 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: He is black, after all.


Done in one.  Gotta watch out for the Scary Black Man (tm).  He'll rape your women and steal your precious metals!

I wonder what would happen if I wrote out something similar to "I'M GONNA KILL THEM ALL LIKE IN COLUMBINE", but do it in iambic pentameter?  And a cop somehow managed to get a hold of it?
 
2013-04-11 07:45:52 AM

doglover: FullMetalPanda: WTF, was it a MAC 10 or an Uzi you stupid biatches

Reading, how the hell does it work?


I don't know, maybe I'll get my AK 47 like M 16 and find out.
 
2013-04-11 07:51:26 AM

scottydoesntknow: was sentenced to five years in prison after being convicted of attempting to make a terrorist threat.

convicted of attempting to make a terrorist threat.

attempting to make a terrorist threat.

How does that even work? A threat is a threat. You can't attempt a threat, you either threaten them or you don't.


Citizen: "I'm going to... uh..."
Police: "Stop right there criminal scum!"
Citizen: "What have I done?"
Police: "Attempting to make a terrorist threat."
Citizen: "I was just thinking!"
Police: "Of becoming a terrorist, yes, we know."

At least it will fill those private prisons out rather nicely.
 
2013-04-11 07:52:01 AM

FullMetalPanda: WTF, was it a MAC 10 or an Uzi you stupid biatches. Or did a MAC 10 have sex with an Uzi to make a Muzi?


It kind of looks like an Uzi... therefore it's the same thing and just as dangerous as other assault rifles.

/did not type that with a straight face
 
2013-04-11 08:02:19 AM

FullMetalPanda: I don't know, maybe I'll get my AK 47 like M 16 and find out.


Most people don't share your fetish for devices that have absolutely no relevance to sane civilians.
 
2013-04-11 08:09:44 AM
I have an unhinged crazy racist Adolf Hitler-admiring coworker who quite literally gets furious when he simply looks at black people. I hear him making idle threats about killing "them all" on a regular basis. I know he owns an AR-15, he made sure he bought one right after Obama's reelection and couldn't shut up about it for a couple weeks. The next time I hear of a mass shooting in the Milwaukee area my first thought is going to be "Oh god, it's John, I bet".

But that's just my imagination running wild. Every day I'm forced to give a little thought to what kind of damn fool shiat coming out of his mouth should prompt me to call 911 on him for making threats.
 
2013-04-11 08:53:24 AM
the Illinois attorney general's office sees victory as more important than justice

It's not just Illinois.  The vast majority of DAs simply want to lock up as many people as possible.

This guy's real crimes were twofold:
1. He's black
2. He can't afford a decent lawyer.
 
2013-04-11 08:57:18 AM
Conspiracy is a crime and has been for a long time. It's not "thoughtcrime". That's just a stupid thing that children with little real-world experience say because they saw it on the internet and never actually read 1984.

The problem here isn't "thoughtcrime", the problem here is overzealous prosecution and an under-intelligent jury that wound up convicting a guy based on a flimsy case. It's not a problem unique to this gentleman.

But let's all run around in a tizzy about it anyway while we ignore the other thousands of times it has happened all across the country. After all, somebody said "thoughtcrime".
 
2013-04-11 08:58:44 AM
I'm becoming increasingly certain that the use of the word "thoughtcrime" in a headline is an indication that the subby is a moron.
 
2013-04-11 08:58:47 AM

Silly Jesus: Dude, you're ruining the lib outrage / race card circle jerk with silly facts.


I know there isn't any inherent justice in the universe because if there were your face would burst into flames every time you used that word non-sarcastically.
 
2013-04-11 09:00:14 AM
well it all depends, did you just think it or did you say it out loud?
 
2013-04-11 09:06:53 AM

Dwight_Yeast: I'm becoming increasingly certain that the use of the word "thoughtcrime" in a headline is an indication that the subby is a moron.


I see your "thoughtcrime" and raise you that any headline ending in  "..., citizen" is trolling or some absolute cherry-picked bullshiat.
 
2013-04-11 09:20:58 AM

phaseolus: I have an unhinged crazy racist Adolf Hitler-admiring coworker who quite literally gets furious when he simply looks at black people. I hear him making idle threats about killing "them all" on a regular basis. I know he owns an AR-15, he made sure he bought one right after Obama's reelection and couldn't shut up about it for a couple weeks. The next time I hear of a mass shooting in the Milwaukee area my first thought is going to be "Oh god, it's John, I bet".

But that's just my imagination running wild. Every day I'm forced to give a little thought to what kind of damn fool shiat coming out of his mouth should prompt me to call 911 on him for making threats.


That happens.  Your co-worker though is most likely all talk... hopefully.  Most of the ones that do pull off a mass shooting, or do make good on threats, are the ones that don't brag about it too much.  It's the quiet people in my office that freak me out the most.  We still don't really know why Holmes did what he did other than we're fed a line of "he's crazy", and other such speculation.
 
2013-04-11 09:24:05 AM
If your wife (pretend you had one subby) paid someone to kill you, don't you think she should go to jail for it?
 
2013-04-11 10:20:55 AM

Arthur Jumbles: Bigdogdaddy: Alphax: Wait.. 2007, sentenced to five years.. conviction overturned last month, 6 years after 2007.  And someone wants to put him back in?

Just let the poor guy go, and see if anyone will hire him now.  You've done plenty of damage to his life already.

the Illinois college student who in 2011 was sentenced to five years in prison

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/03/12/olutosin_oduwole_illinois _ appeals_court_finds_that_bad_rap_lyrics_are_not.html">http://www.slat e.com/blogs/crime/2013/03/12/olutosin_oduwole_illinois_ appeals_court_finds_that_bad_rap_lyrics_are_not.html

From this link:

Before police could tow it, they were required to inventory its contents, and while doing so they found a handwritten note threatening that "a murderous rampage similar to the VT shooting will occur at another  prestigious highly populated university. THIS IS NOT A JOKE!"

The note and the car were traced back to Oduwole, a SIU-E student who had recently drawn police attention after ordering four semi-automatic handguns over the Internet

Putting the two together I understand the police being worried.



What's with the strikethrough?
 
2013-04-11 10:45:42 AM

Peter von Nostrand: Is his Fark handle Trap Door Spider?


Thank you for giving me an excuse to share this one more time:

i48.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-11 10:47:55 AM

Giant Clown Shoe: She's going to waste $8-10 million appealing the concealed carry ruling... which she will lose.  Why the hellnot waste a ton of money or bankrupt state doesn't have of this loser too?

She's running for Governor and is grabbing press wherever she can.


God I hope she loses.  Her and her father are the biggest crooks in Illinois, and I say that as a liberal.
 
2013-04-11 10:55:22 AM
Well this is the same state that tried to make a felony to tape record police officers doing their job in public, so no it does not surprise me.
 
2013-04-11 10:56:26 AM

Source4leko: Giant Clown Shoe: She's going to waste $8-10 million appealing the concealed carry ruling... which she will lose.  Why the hellnot waste a ton of money or bankrupt state doesn't have of this loser too?

She's running for Governor and is grabbing press wherever she can.

God I hope she loses.  Her and her father are the biggest crooks in Illinois, and I say that as a liberal.


"Challenge accepted"

bossip.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-11 11:05:32 AM
Jesus Christ... but that farking gun nut with the YouTube video explicitly saying that he'll 'be glad to take the first shot' in a civil war and the he's going to start shooting people doesn't even have his firearm license suspension upheld.

Oh right, he was white.
 
2013-04-11 11:06:06 AM

Source4leko: Giant Clown Shoe: She's going to waste $8-10 million appealing the concealed carry ruling... which she will lose.  Why the hellnot waste a ton of money or bankrupt state doesn't have of this loser too?

She's running for Governor and is grabbing press wherever she can.

God I hope she loses.  Her and her father are the biggest crooks in Illinois, and I say that as a liberal.


Also Daley still lives in Illinois, so I'd put him up there as well.
 
2013-04-11 11:17:41 AM

BullBearMS: ihopOVERpancakes: I'd love to see a court not convict the KKK for threatening to "take action" against the US government, but then convict a black man for writing a similar thought on a piece of paper.

Odd that you should mention it.


Just what I was referring to actually. Has to be one of my favorite cases if not simply for the name Brandenburg, which sounds like an 1800s British general or something.
 
2013-04-11 11:29:31 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Peter von Nostrand: Is his Fark handle Trap Door Spider?

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bahahaaha.....
What an idiot.  Oh damn, now he's going to kill me too.
 
2013-04-11 11:32:02 AM

ihopOVERpancakes: BullBearMS: ihopOVERpancakes: I'd love to see a court not convict the KKK for threatening to "take action" against the US government, but then convict a black man for writing a similar thought on a piece of paper.

Odd that you should mention it.

Just what I was referring to actually. Has to be one of my favorite cases if not simply for the name Brandenburg, which sounds like an 1800s British general or something.


More like a German classical music piece.... oh wait.
 
2013-04-11 11:46:13 AM

SilentStrider: Yes, but is Mindcrime still legal?


Only if it's turned up to 11, dude

www.mondogonzo.org
 
2013-04-11 12:57:20 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Peter von Nostrand: Is his Fark handle Trap Door Spider?

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Wow.

That guy's an idiot.
 
2013-04-11 01:40:05 PM

DrPainMD: We have lots of thought crimes in this country. Lots of pre-crimes, too. And our prisons are full of people for committing them. Did Ric Romero write this article?


lolwut
 
2013-04-11 02:44:12 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Peter von Nostrand: Is his Fark handle Trap Door Spider?

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I would love to see what prompted that level of rage.  Sounds like hours of careful poking and prodding.
 
2013-04-11 02:45:55 PM

thamike: Relax, people, It's a Slate article that fails to mention a few glaring pieces of f*cking evidence:

* Tognarelli also sentenced Oduwole to 364 days and a $1,000 fine on a related conviction of illegally having or storing a loaded pistol in his on-campus apartment the day he was arrested in July 2007

*  Oduwole was attending the Illinois school's 13,000-student Edwardsville campus, northeast of St. Louis, when campus police found a piece of paper in his abandoned car, which they had impounded and was out of gas. The writing demanded payment to a PayPal account, threatening "if this account doesn't reach $50,000 in the next 7 days then a murderous rampage similar to the VT shooting will occur at another highly populated university. THIS IS NOT A JOKE!"

*  Even before the piece of paper was found in his car, Oduwole was being scrutinized by federal agents

*  A gun dealer had tipped them off earlier in the month that Oduwole appeared overly anxious to get four semiautomatic weapons - including an Uzi-like Mac 10 - that he had ordered.

There's even more than that.  This guy was given very careful scrutiny.  And he was found guilty by a jury.  Just because some blogger thinks he can Hunter S Thompson everything into being a tale of a systematically abused judicial system doesn't make it so.


I was scanning the thread to see if anyone had more info on this.  Do you have a link, because this information totally changes the way I think about this case, but almost suspiciously so.  Haven't heard anyone else talk about it yet, farkers seem inclined to just take the headline at face value.

/Had the headline mentioned a "hottie", we wouldn't have having this confusion.
 
2013-04-11 03:43:45 PM

whidbey: DrPainMD: We have lots of thought crimes in this country. Lots of pre-crimes, too. And our prisons are full of people for committing them. Did Ric Romero write this article?

lolwut


A couple of hints:
Weed was outlawed because it "makes black men want to rape white women." Pre-crime.
We have DUI laws because you might get drunk and cause a wreck. Pre-crime.
Gun laws make certain items illegal because of a statistical probability that people with those items, if they commit crimes, might kill more people. Pre-crime.
TSA searches everybody, with no probable cause, because they might be terrorists.
Ditto for the NSA copying and warehousing every electronic communication on the planet.

The majority of people in jail are in jail because they might commit a real crime; we lock them up for the non-crime t
 
2013-04-11 04:16:13 PM

TelemonianAjax: I was scanning the thread to see if anyone had more info on this.  Do you have a link, because this information totally changes the way I think about this case, but almost suspiciously so.  Haven't heard anyone else talk about it yet, farkers seem inclined to just take the headline at face value.

/Had the headline mentioned a "hottie", we wouldn't have having this confusion.


Found it on HuffPo
 
2013-04-11 04:36:58 PM

odinsposse: TelemonianAjax: I was scanning the thread to see if anyone had more info on this.  Do you have a link, because this information totally changes the way I think about this case, but almost suspiciously so.  Haven't heard anyone else talk about it yet, farkers seem inclined to just take the headline at face value.

/Had the headline mentioned a "hottie", we wouldn't have having this confusion.

Found it on HuffPo


Yeah...when an FFL is concerned enough about you to rat you out to teh gubmint because you're freaking him out, there's probably more going on.

I will officially take the contrarian stance and say this dude should be in jail in lieu of a non-judgmental treatment program for angry and misguided individuals who are circling the drain leading to violent outbursts.
 
2013-04-11 05:44:19 PM

TelemonianAjax: I was scanning the thread to see if anyone had more info on this. Do you have a link, because this information totally changes the way I think about this case, but almost suspiciously so. Haven't heard anyone else talk about it yet, farkers seem inclined to just take the headline at face value.

/Had the headline mentioned a "hottie", we wouldn't have having this confusion.


Here's one from the Huffington Post.  Rap lyrics my ass.  At the very best, the kid made a half-assed pass at extortion in probably the most damning possible way.  Worst case?  Well, there are the guns...
 
2013-04-11 05:45:53 PM
Whoops, someone beat me to it.  Should have read the thread.  Long day at work, yadda yadda.
 
2013-04-11 05:54:01 PM

TelemonianAjax: I would love to see what prompted that level of rage. Sounds like hours of careful poking and prodding.


And he was such a calm guy, normally.  Except for all the rape.
 
2013-04-11 09:25:27 PM

thamike: Relax, people, It's a Slate article that fails to mention a few glaring pieces of f*cking evidence:

* Tognarelli also sentenced Oduwole to 364 days and a $1,000 fine on a related conviction of illegally having or storing a loaded pistol in his on-campus apartment the day he was arrested in July 2007

*  Oduwole was attending the Illinois school's 13,000-student Edwardsville campus, northeast of St. Louis, when campus police found a piece of paper in his abandoned car, which they had impounded and was out of gas. The writing demanded payment to a PayPal account, threatening "if this account doesn't reach $50,000 in the next 7 days then a murderous rampage similar to the VT shooting will occur at another highly populated university. THIS IS NOT A JOKE!"

*  Even before the piece of paper was found in his car, Oduwole was being scrutinized by federal agents

*  A gun dealer had tipped them off earlier in the month that Oduwole appeared overly anxious to get four semiautomatic weapons - including an Uzi-like Mac 10 - that he had ordered.

There's even more than that.  This guy was given very careful scrutiny.  And he was found guilty by a jury.  Just because some blogger thinks he can Hunter S Thompson everything into being a tale of a systematically abused judicial system doesn't make it so.


I object to the premise that once a prosecutor has figured out someone is legitimately a "bad guy" that it's justified to risk creating stupid, potentially oppressive precedents like a conviction for "attempting" to make a threat. Bad case law is not acceptable collateral damage in a successful prosecution.
 
2013-04-11 11:26:11 PM

Nem Wan: object to the premise that once a prosecutor has figured out someone is legitimately a "bad guy" that it's justified to risk creating stupid, potentially oppressive precedents like a conviction for "attempting" to make a threat. Bad case law is not acceptable collateral damage in a successful prosecution.


Agreed.  So let's just make a law that if some farktard starts preparing to kill innocent people and gets caught, we just fry his happy ass in oil on prime time.

Narrated by Morgan Freeman,

"And so, this farktard screamed, and screamed, and screamed some more as his flesh boiled, and America was safe, for one more day.  I'm Morgan Freeman."
 
2013-04-12 03:47:59 AM

skozlaw: rufus-t-firefly: Peter von Nostrand: Is his Fark handle Trap Door Spider?

Thank you for giving me an excuse to share this one more time:

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Wow.

That guy's an idiot.


Perhaps he's Heir to the Throne of the Kingdom of the Idiots.
 
2013-04-12 05:27:54 AM

Nem Wan: I object to the premise that once a prosecutor has figured out someone is legitimately a "bad guy" that it's justified to risk creating stupid, potentially oppressive precedents like a conviction for "attempting" to make a threat. Bad case law is not acceptable collateral damage in a successful prosecution.


It wasn't setting a precedent.  A written threat to gun down a campus, even undelivered, is a felony--as long as there is evidence that it would have been carried out-- as has been stated clearly in every other story about this that isn't a blog post by a moron.  The "attempt" was the final piece that the prosecutors needed to put the guy who was stockpiling weapons illegally away for a suitable amount of time.  He didn't get sentenced just for the threat, but all the other charges stacked up as well.

 But that's not how untalented factory blogfolk wanted to frame the story.  Always look for the frame.  The more blatant and less nuanced it is, the more full of sh*t it is.  If the drama is palpable in the lede, it's probably bullsh*t.  If the headline ends in a question mark, it is certainly bullsh*t.  If the term "thought-crime" (incorrectly hyphenated) appears in the headline, it's farm league bullsh*t.
 
2013-04-12 01:56:25 PM
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