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(Slate)   Thoughtcrime is a real thing in Illinois, where merely wishing to go on a murderous rampage can land you in prison. Guard your thoughts, citizen   (slate.com) divider line 97
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2013-04-10 08:52:48 PM  
He is black, after all.
 
2013-04-10 08:53:25 PM  
If only a certain group of people warned that the idea of fighting a concept like "terror" would end badly as overzealous morons expand their perception of control. If only...
 
2013-04-10 08:57:52 PM  


Oduwole wasn't charged with making a terrorist threat, but with attempting to do so


That DA should be charged with "Gross Misconduct"

It's farking insane.
 
2013-04-10 09:02:25 PM  
was sentenced to five years in prison after being convicted of attempting to make a terrorist threat.

convicted of attempting to make a terrorist threat.

attempting to make a terrorist threat.

How does that even work? A threat is a threat. You can't attempt a threat, you either threaten them or you don't.
 
2013-04-10 09:06:42 PM  
Why were the police in his car, if the paper was found face-down in his locked car? What are the other circumstances here?  (Not that I remotely think anyone should be charged with writing or speaking words that could be threatening if they were actually used to threaten anyone)... I'm just trying to figure out how they found this paper.

I'd also like to know how you "attempt to threaten" anyone. Either you threaten someone or you don't, and you know who was threatened.
 
2013-04-10 09:08:17 PM  
Is his Fark handle Trap Door Spider?
 
2013-04-10 09:09:49 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Is his Fark handle Trap Door Spider?


Guess I could get in time out for that but I haven't seen TDS in a long, long time
 
2013-04-10 09:10:35 PM  

scottydoesntknow: How does that even work?


Terroristic Threats is basically the crime they use to throw you in the Bastille. It requires almost no evidence and they keep you in jail from the moment you're accused because you're "dangerous" even if you didn't do it.

Attempting to make terroristic threats is the most bullshiat thing I've ever heard. The DA should be arrested for felony perjury, the arresting officers should be fired for gross misconduct, and the judge should be de-barred and off the bench forever. Everyone involved in this case is horrible at their job and a danger to America EXCEPT the kid who actually went to jail. He's the only one who's NOT a clear and present danger to our nation.
 
2013-04-10 09:11:32 PM  

serpent_sky: Why were the police in his car


He's black.
 
2013-04-10 09:13:50 PM  

doglover: scottydoesntknow: How does that even work?

Terroristic Threats is basically the crime they use to throw you in the Bastille. It requires almost no evidence and they keep you in jail from the moment you're accused because you're "dangerous" even if you didn't do it.

Attempting to make terroristic threats is the most bullshiat thing I've ever heard. The DA should be arrested for felony perjury, the arresting officers should be fired for gross misconduct, and the judge should be de-barred and off the bench forever. Everyone involved in this case is horrible at their job and a danger to America EXCEPT the kid who actually went to jail. He's the only one who's NOT a clear and present danger to our nation.


If a Federal Judge hadn't immediately ruled the bipartisan NDAA Unconstitutional, they wouldn't even need charges.
 
2013-04-10 09:17:22 PM  
This kind of crap makes me want to...wait, nevermind.
 
2013-04-10 09:19:50 PM  

serpent_sky: Why were the police in his car, if the paper was found face-down in his locked car? What are the other circumstances here?  (Not that I remotely think anyone should be charged with writing or speaking words that could be threatening if they were actually used to threaten anyone)... I'm just trying to figure out how they found this paper.

I'd also like to know how you "attempt to threaten" anyone. Either you threaten someone or you don't, and you know who was threatened.


His car was being towed and the police had to inventory the car and the contents of it.
 
2013-04-10 09:22:32 PM  

doglover: Terroristic Threats is basically the crime they use to throw you in the Bastille. It requires almost no evidence and they keep you in jail from the moment you're accused because you're "dangerous" even if you didn't do it.


I've also noticed since they got the okay to convict people of "terroristic threats" the word "terroristic" is tagged on to any threat anyone makes.  That, to me, is dangerous, because it devalues the actual meaning of terrorism.  Terrorism is a serious thing, not someone saying, "I'm going to kick your ass" to someone else.

As a society, we have taken a lot of words that have strong meaning and use them for anything and everything,  Terror (and terrorism, and terroristic (which I am not even sure is an actual word)) is one of them, sort of the flipside of the incredibly overused "hero".
 
2013-04-10 09:26:42 PM  

serpent_sky: I've also noticed since they got the okay to convict people of "terroristic threats" the word "terroristic" is tagged on to any threat anyone makes.


Have you ever been falsely arrested?

I can assure you with the utmost choler and spite that the "terroristic threats" charge was already well and truly abused BEFORE 9/11.
 
2013-04-10 09:28:36 PM  

spongeboob: serpent_sky: Why were the police in his car, if the paper was found face-down in his locked car? What are the other circumstances here?  (Not that I remotely think anyone should be charged with writing or speaking words that could be threatening if they were actually used to threaten anyone)... I'm just trying to figure out how they found this paper.

I'd also like to know how you "attempt to threaten" anyone. Either you threaten someone or you don't, and you know who was threatened.

His car was being towed and the police had to inventory the car and the contents of it.


Why was his car being towed that the police had to inventory it?  What where the original charges that lead to that point?  Srlsy?  My Googles are broken.
 
2013-04-10 09:30:59 PM  

panfried: Why was his car being towed that the police had to inventory it?


Yeah, my car's been towed. I didn't get no inventory taken. Hell I barely got the car back.
 
2013-04-10 09:33:43 PM  
It should be a crime to have the thought that "Attempting To Make A Terroristic Threat" is a crime.
 
2013-04-10 10:03:20 PM  

doglover: serpent_sky: Why were the police in his car

He's black.


It was abandoned and cops had to inventory its contents before impounding it.

Charge was bullshiat. Conviction was bullshiat.  Appeal of conviction's overturning is bullshiat.
 
2013-04-10 10:11:31 PM  

panfried: What where the original charges that lead to that point?


DWB
 
2013-04-10 10:15:54 PM  
*puts quarter back into pocket*

i780.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-10 10:18:13 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: It was abandoned and cops had to inventory its contents before impounding it.

Charge was bullshiat. Conviction was bullshiat.  Appeal of conviction's overturning is bullshiat.


Ah. I somehow missed that.

I didn't know they did inventory of towed/impounded cars.  I wonder how many cars suddenly don't have GPS or binders of CDs or any numbers of other things after inventory is done. It seems pointless to do an inventory when the person isn't there to witness/sign off on said inventory since anything could be added or deleted to said inventory. Including completely non-threatening potentially attempted threatening papers.
 
2013-04-10 10:57:27 PM  
Yes, but is Mindcrime still legal?
 
2013-04-10 11:13:29 PM  
It'll ultimately be overturned. The standard is "imminent lawless action". Did they find any guns? How about bombs or other explosives? No? He'll get out, and Illinois better have a rainy-day fund because it'll be expensive when he does.
 
2013-04-10 11:35:45 PM  
cdn.ksk.uproxx.com
 
2013-04-10 11:40:03 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: It'll ultimately be overturned. The standard is "imminent lawless action". Did they find any guns? How about bombs or other explosives? No? He'll get out, and Illinois better have a rainy-day fund because it'll be expensive when he does.


Hopefully this. One would think arguing that the note was abstract speech would be enough as well. Then again, I'd love to see a court not convict the KKK for threatening to "take action" against the US government, but then convict a black man for writing a similar thought on a piece of paper.

Illinois never ceases to entertain us...
 
2013-04-11 12:07:43 AM  

ihopOVERpancakes: I'd love to see a court not convict the KKK for threatening to "take action" against the US government, but then convict a black man for writing a similar thought on a piece of paper.


Odd that you should mention it.
 
2013-04-11 01:44:32 AM  
shiat like this is why I will never again set foot in Illinois , let alone Chicago.
 
2013-04-11 02:20:43 AM  
Wait.. 2007, sentenced to five years.. conviction overturned last month, 6 years after 2007.  And someone wants to put him back in?

Just let the poor guy go, and see if anyone will hire him now.  You've done plenty of damage to his life already.
 
2013-04-11 02:32:05 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Did they actually COMMIT acts of terror?  Nope.  Just thought about it REAL hard.
 
2013-04-11 02:32:48 AM  
...meanwhile back in Tennessee, a man who threatened to shoot people on video and chop people's heads off gets his guns and conceal carry license back.  And then, there's Ted Nugent.....

Gotta love our justice system.
 
2013-04-11 02:34:55 AM  

Alphax: Wait.. 2007, sentenced to five years.. conviction overturned last month, 6 years after 2007.  And someone wants to put him back in?

Just let the poor guy go, and see if anyone will hire him now.  You've done plenty of damage to his life already.


the Illinois college student who in 2011 was sentenced to five years in prison

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/03/12/olutosin_oduwole_illinois _ appeals_court_finds_that_bad_rap_lyrics_are_not.html">http://www.slat e.com/blogs/crime/2013/03/12/olutosin_oduwole_illinois_ appeals_court_finds_that_bad_rap_lyrics_are_not.html
 
2013-04-11 02:36:00 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: ...meanwhile back in Tennessee, a man who threatened to shoot people on video and chop people's heads off gets his guns and conceal carry license back.  And then, there's Ted Nugent.....

Gotta love our justice system.


LEGAL SYSTEM!

America does not have a justice system and in fact is Constitutionally forbidden from having one. Several amendments prevent it.
 
2013-04-11 02:36:50 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: Alphax: Wait.. 2007, sentenced to five years.. conviction overturned last month, 6 years after 2007.  And someone wants to put him back in?

Just let the poor guy go, and see if anyone will hire him now.  You've done plenty of damage to his life already.

the Illinois college student who in 2011 was sentenced to five years in prison

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/03/12/olutosin_oduwole_illinois _ appeals_court_finds_that_bad_rap_lyrics_are_not.html">http://www.slat e.com/blogs/crime/2013/03/12/olutosin_oduwole_illinois_ appeals_court_finds_that_bad_rap_lyrics_are_not.html


Ah, the sentencing took a few years.. so, what happened to him between 2007 and 2011?  Jail the whole time?
 
2013-04-11 02:46:47 AM  
Hey, if God can sentence you to hell for coveting your neighbor's wife...


scottydoesntknow: was sentenced to five years in prison after being convicted of attempting to make a terrorist threat.

convicted of attempting to make a terrorist threat.

attempting to make a terrorist threat.

How does that even work? A threat is a threat. You can't attempt a threat, you either threaten them or you don't.


Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for ATTEMPTED chemistry?
 
2013-04-11 02:47:24 AM  

Alphax: Bigdogdaddy: Alphax: Wait.. 2007, sentenced to five years.. conviction overturned last month, 6 years after 2007.  And someone wants to put him back in?

Just let the poor guy go, and see if anyone will hire him now.  You've done plenty of damage to his life already.

the Illinois college student who in 2011 was sentenced to five years in prison

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/03/12/olutosin_oduwole_illinois _ appeals_court_finds_that_bad_rap_lyrics_are_not.html">http://www.slat e.com/blogs/crime/2013/03/12/olutosin_oduwole_illinois_ appeals_court_finds_that_bad_rap_lyrics_are_not.html

Ah, the sentencing took a few years.. so, what happened to him between 2007 and 2011?  Jail the whole time?



If so then why the fark wasn't he credited with time served?
 
2013-04-11 02:48:54 AM  
Oh sure it's OK when James Yeager does it.
 
2013-04-11 03:28:20 AM  
I LOVE living in IL.  I promise.

/don't imprison me dude
 
2013-04-11 03:43:00 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: ...meanwhile back in Tennessee, a man who threatened to shoot people on video and chop people's heads off gets his guns and conceal carry license back.  And then, there's Ted Nugent.....

Gotta love our justice system.


This guy is black.
 
2013-04-11 03:53:49 AM  
She's going to waste $8-10 million appealing the concealed carry ruling... which she will lose.  Why the hellnot waste a ton of money or bankrupt state doesn't have of this loser too?

She's running for Governor and is grabbing press wherever she can.
 
2013-04-11 03:55:59 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: She's going to waste $8-10 million appealing the concealed carry ruling... which she will lose.  Why the hellnot waste a ton of money or bankrupt state doesn't have of this loser too?

She's running for Governor and is grabbing press wherever she can.


wat
 
2013-04-11 03:57:13 AM  

overfienduglar: Bigdogdaddy: ...meanwhile back in Tennessee, a man who threatened to shoot people on video and chop people's heads off gets his guns and conceal carry license back.  And then, there's Ted Nugent.....

Gotta love our justice system.

This guy is black.


Got a Muslim-sounding name, too.
 
2013-04-11 04:31:08 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: overfienduglar: Bigdogdaddy: ...meanwhile back in Tennessee, a man who threatened to shoot people on video and chop people's heads off gets his guns and conceal carry license back.  And then, there's Ted Nugent.....

Gotta love our justice system.

This guy is black.

Got a Muslim-sounding name, too.


I fail to acknowledge that our legal system would base their decisions on the color of a person's skin or national origin.....I ALMOST SAID THAT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE!
 
2013-04-11 04:41:10 AM  
www.artefactgroup.com
 
2013-04-11 04:43:25 AM  

serpent_sky: Why were the police in his car, if the paper was found face-down in his locked car? What are the other circumstances here?  (Not that I remotely think anyone should be charged with writing or speaking words that could be threatening if they were actually used to threaten anyone)... I'm just trying to figure out how they found this paper.

I'd also like to know how you "attempt to threaten" anyone. Either you threaten someone or you don't, and you know who was threatened.


I would think (and I'm on really shaky theoretical legal ground here) that "attempting to threaten" would ONLY conceivably be a charge if you had made an actual threat against an identifiable target and for some reason hadn't been able to complete the threatening act. For instance, you'd packed up a dead snake and a voodoo doll and addressed the package to your celebrity of choice with a letter saying 'YOU NEXT!" and were on your way to the post office when you got stopped by the cops for speeding. So with that scenario in place, what this guy did (have a piece of paper with some vaguely ominous words on it somewhere in his car) wouldn't even register on the "threatening scenario" scale.

But just as anything involving a child makes rational people lose their minds; so too anything that could be perceived as a terrorist plot makes everyone instantly paranoid freaks.
 
2013-04-11 05:09:33 AM  

weltallica: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x220]

Did they actually COMMIT acts of terror?  Nope.  Just thought about it REAL hard.


Thus far no proof has been given that they even thought about it at all.
 
2013-04-11 05:32:18 AM  
Relax, people, It's a Slate article that fails to mention a few glaring pieces of f*cking evidence:

* Tognarelli also sentenced Oduwole to 364 days and a $1,000 fine on a related conviction of illegally having or storing a loaded pistol in his on-campus apartment the day he was arrested in July 2007

*  Oduwole was attending the Illinois school's 13,000-student Edwardsville campus, northeast of St. Louis, when campus police found a piece of paper in his abandoned car, which they had impounded and was out of gas. The writing demanded payment to a PayPal account, threatening "if this account doesn't reach $50,000 in the next 7 days then a murderous rampage similar to the VT shooting will occur at another highly populated university. THIS IS NOT A JOKE!"

*  Even before the piece of paper was found in his car, Oduwole was being scrutinized by federal agents

A gun dealer had tipped them off earlier in the month that Oduwole appeared overly anxious to get four semiautomatic weapons - including an Uzi-like Mac 10 - that he had ordered.


There's even more than that.  This guy was given very careful scrutiny.  And he was found guilty by a jury.  Just because some blogger thinks he can Hunter S Thompson everything into being a tale of a systematically abused judicial system doesn't make it so.
 
2013-04-11 05:33:52 AM  

RINO: If so then why the fark wasn't he credited with time served?


He was.
 
2013-04-11 05:38:09 AM  
The problem here is that people momentarily consider all sorts of crazy things without ever actually intending to do them.

But you have to draw a line somewhere or you get "...well there were warning signs before he did this... if there were laws..."

I think this is an obvious case of severe over reaction but where do you set the point between caution and over reaction?
 
2013-04-11 05:39:09 AM  

thamike: "if this account doesn't reach $50,000 in the next 7 days then a murderous rampage similar to the VT shooting will occur at another highly populated university. THIS IS NOT A JOKE!"


will you stop with the Run-D.M.C. lyrics
 
2013-04-11 05:42:01 AM  

log_jammin: thamike: "if this account doesn't reach $50,000 in the next 7 days then a murderous rampage similar to the VT shooting will occur at another highly populated university. THIS IS NOT A JOKE!"

will you stop with the Run-D.M.C. lyrics


Dude, that was KRS One.
 
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