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(Huffington Post)   North Carolina: "We must lift the ban on religion in public places" Constituent: "So then would you support Islamic prayers being said before meetings?". Legislator: "Of course not, that would be terrorism"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 109
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2013-04-10 08:14:28 PM
14 votes:
Screw you, subby. If you're going to outright lie about what someone says, at least make it f...


Holy shiat.

Sorry, subby.
2013-04-10 11:47:18 PM
9 votes:
www.tdpri.com

"We got BOTH kinds of religion here: Baptists AND Methodists!"

2013-04-10 08:19:40 PM
8 votes:
Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?
2013-04-11 06:47:28 AM
7 votes:
One of my fondest dreams is to learn to say the Lord's Prayer in the original Aramaic, or even just Hebrew - you know, just like Jesus would do.

And then go to a local school board meeting, ask if I can say a prayer before we start, and see how long it takes before I have to switch to english to yell "DON'T TASE ME BRO!"
2013-04-10 07:52:10 PM
7 votes:
I WILL EAT YOUR FACE

i.huffpost.com
2013-04-10 08:33:29 PM
6 votes:
i.huffpost.com
i915.photobucket.com

2.bp.blogspot.com
2013-04-10 07:45:31 PM
6 votes:
How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?
2013-04-11 08:20:59 AM
5 votes:

Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion


It appears more likely that the belief that atheism is a religion is itself a religion.
2013-04-11 07:40:50 AM
5 votes:

Alphax: And you claim this, why?


Because of the roving gangs of atheists who bust into churches during services, tear the mike out of the pastor's hands and launch into a Henry Rollins-esque diatribe until everyone in the building stops believing in Jesus. They're all over the place, these atheists, forcing other people to listen to them.
2013-04-10 07:53:10 PM
5 votes:

NewportBarGuy: How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?


CVS  has standards.
2013-04-11 07:50:44 AM
4 votes:

neongoats: TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.

And the only thing more annoying than either of them are people who mistake "you can't systematically use government to force your religion on people" as "atheists forcing their beliefs on poor innocent jesusy folks"

Congrats.


I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together at Osama's Homobortion Pot-n-Commie Jizzporium.
2013-04-11 07:30:29 AM
4 votes:

Joce678: What do we expect from a government who recently adopted "In God we trust" as a motto?

Is anybody under any illusion about which deity they were thinking of when they adopted that?


I'm trying to think of a religion that embodies the disparate concepts of "detached from humanity", "armchair warrior", "greed", "hate", "hypocrite", "ignorant", and "convinced of their own infallibility", but amazingly, the Christians created for themselves something unique and special in human history.

Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul put together might equate to U.S. fundamentalists. We just need Cyric to slay jesus and take over his portfolio.
2013-04-11 02:19:09 AM
4 votes:
It's not just her rock-stupid ignorance of the Constitution and the concept of Freedom of Religion.
It's not just her cognitive dissonance that, properly harvested, could lower electricity prices to one cent per kilowatt decade.
It's that she apparently looked at a photo of Calista Gingrich and thought "Style Icon to Emulate" instead of "AIIEEEE! IT HUNGERS FOR SOULS"
2013-04-10 07:59:38 PM
4 votes:
i.huffpost.com

And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.
2013-04-11 09:39:07 AM
3 votes:
If I started each day with a limited number of people I could tell to shutup and they magically would, I'd be out of magical shutup wishes just reading this thread and it's not even breakfast yet.
2013-04-11 07:59:56 AM
3 votes:
Religion is like guns and penises.
It's OK to have one.
It's OK to be proud of it.
Don't whip it out and wave it around at a polling place, a legislature, a school, a bank, the mall, etc. etc.
2013-04-11 07:50:02 AM
3 votes:

cman: AdolfOliverPanties: [i.huffpost.com image 570x238]

And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.

She looks English

iats not just the teeth that gave her away. It is her facial features


Can I just threadshiat for a second

I am SO bored of the "English have bad teeth" stereotype .. at leat we farking have teeth and not a row of brilliantine gravestones that look completely farking creepy.

You Yanks are so obsessed with manufactured beauty.. Hair, tits, teeth everything that can be man made are the bits you look at.. for god's sake we wouldn't even have plastic surgery if it wasn't for your insane idea that nature can be improved upon.. that a wrinkle is an abomination .. your porn sucks because of all this which is obviously a shame.

And don't get me started on the "English are emotionally underdeveloped like farking Hugh Grant!" .. Coming from a Country that pumps out films with people being shot in the face but woooahh nelly! if someone gets their tits out.

In conclusion.. You all spend stupid money making your teeth look like that AND THEN THINK IT'S NORMAL... Jesus, I bet it's the same logic that makes everyone put jackets on their dogs these days!
2013-04-11 12:20:19 AM
3 votes:
Not gonna lie. I've sat here for 10 minutes trying to think up something amusing to say. It's been a long day and I'm tired. So this is just a bookmark.
2013-04-10 11:24:42 PM
3 votes:

hubiestubert: [lh5.googleusercontent.com image 640x480]
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In fairness, we might want to teach a bit more than just Christianity. We all aren't Christians out here. And as a Buddhist, I don't want my faith emblazoned on pubic walls, but then again, my daughter isn't Christian, and I don't exactly want her being exposed to ONLY Christian ideas and ideals...


I don't think too many people want their religious faiths emblazoned on pubic walls either.
2013-04-10 09:44:16 PM
3 votes:

RedPhoenix122: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

At least there's tangible evidence of that.


"All hail Terry, keeper of fire codes and master of ADA compliance!"
2013-04-10 09:33:26 PM
3 votes:

b0rscht: I WILL EAT YOUR FACE

[i.huffpost.com image 570x238]


www.slantmagazine.com
2013-04-11 10:19:38 AM
2 votes:

Silverstaff: Just like somebody who has never been exposed to religion in their life is not an atheist, they just lack any kind of belief system.


This is incorrect. If they are "without god", as anyone who has never even heard of the concept would be, then they are atheist - this is the direct translation of the word.

You have been beaten 7 ways from Sunday on this issue and you still are sticking to your guns. That in itself is almost a religious belief. I say 'almost' because I would never actually arbitrarily call something a religion ... I am not an idiot.
2013-04-11 09:16:14 AM
2 votes:
Damn.. This thread went to a place that doesn't exist real quick
2013-04-11 09:00:53 AM
2 votes:

Silverstaff: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck.


If it looks like the sun rises in the east, travels across the sky, and sets in the west, then the earth must circle the sun.

Congratulations! You've managed to reach a middle ages level of enlightenment!

/Wake us up when you discover electricity.
//Hint: it's the magic juice that makes your computer run
2013-04-11 08:53:50 AM
2 votes:

revrendjim: Here are your choices:

1. None of the religions in public spaces.

2. All of the religions in public spaces.


cache.ohinternet.com
2013-04-11 08:15:03 AM
2 votes:

Silverstaff: Then you start writing books about how you're the only correct belief system and that everyone else is deluded and mentally ill and are mentally inferior to your belief system: The God Delusion


Either you haven't read the God Delusion or you didn't comprehend it.
2013-04-11 08:04:59 AM
2 votes:

lewismarktwo: jso2897: lewismarktwo: jso2897: neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".

No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.

Smart atheists know when someone is baiting them, but I forgive you, just like Jesus Christ will forgive your sins if you accept him into your heart.

Well, I'm no master baiter, that's for sure. But the last I heard from Jesus, he told his followers to go practice their religion in private - so I have to assume that anyone who publicly trumpets that they are a "Christian" isn't a very good one.
By the way - your remarks indicate that you think I am an "atheist" (whatever that means) - is there some reason you think that? Or is it just an assumption you make abouit anyone who is amused by the spectacle of so-called "Christians" waving their alleged faith around in public like some flasher waving his dick?

So you're not smarter than me?


I try to assume that everybody else is smarter than I am - it's safer that way. No one has ever screwed up by overestimating the intelligence of a potential competitor.
Anyway - does it really matter? All we are really talking about here is a silly woman who thinks it's acceptable to try to set up an official state religion - do you have a position on this, or did you simply come into the thread to inform the rest of us that we are great big poopy-heads? Frankly, I'm already well aware that I am a great big poopy-head, and don't care.
2013-04-11 08:03:33 AM
2 votes:
I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .
2013-04-11 07:54:30 AM
2 votes:
Mrfusticle:In conclusion.. You all spend stupid money making your teeth look like that AND THEN THINK IT'S NORMAL... Jesus, I bet it's the same logic that makes everyone put jackets on their dogs these days!

I live in South Carolina, but frequently work in NC.  I can honesty tell you that there are large parts of that state which do not, in point of fact, spend money on their tooth.
2013-04-11 07:50:53 AM
2 votes:

lewismarktwo: jso2897: neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".

No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.

Smart atheists know when someone is baiting them, but I forgive you, just like Jesus Christ will forgive your sins if you accept him into your heart.


Well, I'm no master baiter, that's for sure. But the last I heard from Jesus, he told his followers to go practice their religion in private - so I have to assume that anyone who publicly trumpets that they are a "Christian" isn't a very good one.
By the way - your remarks indicate that you think I am an "atheist" (whatever that means) - is there some reason you think that? Or is it just an assumption you make abouit anyone who is amused by the spectacle of so-called "Christians" waving their alleged faith around in public like some flasher waving his dick?
2013-04-11 07:48:16 AM
2 votes:

TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.


And the only thing more annoying than either of them are people who mistake "you can't systematically use government to force your religion on people" as "atheists forcing their beliefs on poor innocent jesusy folks"

Congrats.
2013-04-11 07:21:30 AM
2 votes:

neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".


No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.
2013-04-11 07:20:46 AM
2 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Outreach!


That's the hilarious part for me... These farking ass-backwards morons in the GOP just can't help themselves.

"Why won't you terrorist-loving, lazy, shiftless, criminals, who want nothing but handouts and drugs vote for Republicans?"

"...And what's up with these wetbacks? Why won't they support us? Just because we want to deport you en masse and shoot you doesn't mean you can't vote for us!"

"Don't even get me started on the queers wanting 'special ' rights... Those deviants should be flocking to the GOP."


The GOP doesn't get it, and they never will.
2013-04-11 07:12:26 AM
2 votes:
AdolfOliverPanties:
i.huffpost.com
And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.



I find that picture, placed together with your username (and the way it sounds), to be a truly terrifying thing.
2013-04-11 07:05:35 AM
2 votes:

Somacandra: spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity to be the official state religion.

Roman Catholics strangling and roasting Dutch Mennonites in 1554.
French Protestants liberating the entrails of Catholics in 1607.
Yeah....we've seen that movie before and *Spoiler Alert*: It doesn't end well.


Now I see where "Stick a fork in him, he's done" comes from.
2013-04-11 06:50:16 AM
2 votes:

LograyX: Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

See that line, fellow Christians? The United States is not God's Kingdom on Earth. We can't run it like it is because we will invariably screw it up.

Just stop trying to legislate people into conversion, it has the opposite effect.


I disagree, keep trying to legislate people into conversion, it has the opposite effect.
2013-04-11 04:44:56 AM
2 votes:
The bill, which was drafted by state Reps. Carl Ford (R-China Grove)

The people of the town are strange
And they're proud of where they came.
2013-04-11 12:27:53 AM
2 votes:
i.huffpost.com


i93.photobucket.com
2013-04-10 09:10:34 PM
2 votes:
Just today I was thinking

If you told the average American that a political candidate's religion was
A middle Eastern religion that believe that all people were evil and that they long. for the day that their deity destroyed the world and the people in it except for their fellow believers, that young children who died would spend eternity being tortured unless they had undergone a magical ritual.

Would the average American vote for that candidate?
2013-04-10 08:47:51 PM
2 votes:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion.  I don't think any atheist will admit that.

Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

When presented with a binary option (Is there at least one higher power that can be considered god-like?), the atheists look at existing observations and believe that there is no further explanation. Theists look at the same observations and believe that a higher authority is responsible for the complexity of life. Both are equally supported by philosophy. Atheists simply believe that the null hypothesis (ie no evidence suggesting a god has interacted with creation) is the standard. It's not a religion.

There. Now that's settled. We can stay on the topic of making fun of North Carolina.


The argument that I think Republicans would use
It is Freedom of Religion not Freedom of  a belief system, so if you want to be treated like a religion you need to be  willing to admit that atheism is a religion.


/shouldn't it be Best Carolina
2013-04-10 08:40:06 PM
2 votes:

spongeboob: I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion. I don't think any atheist will admit that.


Is that like "admitting" that rain falls up?
2013-04-10 07:56:36 PM
2 votes:
On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity to be the official state religion.
2013-04-10 07:52:00 PM
2 votes:
I couldn't even make it past this farking picture without laughing.

i.huffpost.com

"No, I do not condone terrorism," Presnell responded, according to the report. "We just need to start taking a stand on our religious freedom or it will be whisked away from us."

The only "religious freedom" you want is the freedom to get rid of every other religion except yours, you coont.
2013-04-11 10:45:03 PM
1 votes:
i14.photobucket.com
2013-04-11 10:28:39 PM
1 votes:

spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity to be the official state religion.


If you really want to see heads asplode, make the official Christian religion Catholicism...
2013-04-11 05:23:26 PM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: neongoats: Silverstaff: What about atheists who say everyone who disagrees with them is deluded and mentally ill?  That's Dawkins big act, to mock theistic belief systems and say that everybody who believes otherwise is deluded.

Hint: When anyone there you mentions starts putting forth legislation to ban your mammon worship, your points will be valid. Until then you are basically just saying "Hey, stop telling me I can't discriminate, that's discrimination!"

When did I say I worshiped mammon, or any specific deity?  I've said it before, go ahead, when have I ever claimed on Fark that I was a worshipper of the God of Abraham/Yahweh/Jehovah/Jesus/Allah ect?  I gave up organized, formal religion 16 years ago.

However, look on this very thread for plenty of examples of Atheist bigotry and hatred, and stereotyping.

Just because I have pointed out religious trappings in Atheism as currently practiced, noting that they rise to the definition of being a religion through their practices in how they've turned a simple denial of divinity into something more complicated, I've been:

1. Called a "primitive savage fark", by you.
2. Accused of worshipping mammon, by you.
3. Accused of blindly following Pat Robertson and other evangelists/fundamentalists, by Deathfrogg.
4. Accused of being a troll by many posters.

Just because I've made this argument, without me ever saying anything about being of any Abrahamic belief system.  That's all your own stereotyping and bigotry.  Try cleaning up your own behavior.  Not everybody who is fed up with self-righteous Atheists is a fundamentalist evangelical Christian, or of any mainstream religion.

If you keep insulting theists and other insults to religion, and stereotyping everyone of theistic belief as being Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists or "primitive savage farks" as you call it, you're going to be treated like you have an irrational hatred of theists.  Everything you've done in this thread has just backed up and supported my ...


Hint: all of your butthurt is irrelevant. I don't have to like you. I don't have to respect your religion, or lack of it. I don't give a shiat about you or your life.

What I do give a shiat about, is freedom. Freedom to think you are a dickhole, freedom to worship something, freedom to not worship something. You see, I'm not trying to legislate Christianity out of existence. I'm not trying to drive worshippers into the sea with fire and pitchforks.(amusing as that might be) And I'm not constantly trying to get hurpers to legislate my lack of religion into law.

Hint: if you want freedom for Jesus, you damn well better support freedom for Behelifet, freedom for Thor, freedom for Allah, and freedom for atheists to think all of the above are delusions. Anything less is unacceptable.

How can you even make your argument and not feel stupid.

Thread: hey bumpkins, stop trying to end run the Constitution and force Jesus as a state religion, k
you: but Atheists are mean to me, therefor it's cool
Thread: you can worship what you want, what you can't do is legislate it into law
you: but atheists are a religion, and they are MEAN so its ok to make jesusy stuff law
Thread: no, really, its not. Everyone should be free to worship as they wish, and not involve the government
you: but atheists are a religion and they keep saying mean things
Thread: but they aren't systematically stripping you of your civil rights, right?
you: doesn't matter, they were mean, therefor NC should make jesus compulsory
Thread: sorry, no
you: stop being mean
Thread: no
2013-04-11 02:30:47 PM
1 votes:
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2013-04-11 12:07:47 PM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: All I've been saying this whole thread is that Atheism is a religion, because it has adopted the trappings of it.  From trying to evangelize others to your beliefs about God while holding that they are inherently wrong for believing what the do, to using symbols to sum up your beliefs, to having books that belief, to holding public meetings about that belief, to holding ceremonies and rites related to that belief.  That isn't just not believing in God, that's a whole lifestyle and belief system advocating that not only is there not a God, that nobody should believe in Him and that must be spread.


So you would consider that Apple Inc is a religion then?

-trying to evangelize other? check
-believing that others are inherently wrong? check
-using symbols to sum up beliefs? check
-public meetings? check
-ceremonies and rites, like the annual line-up outside the Apple store? check

As an added bonus - Apple also passes around the collection plate and has a central god-like leader.
2013-04-11 11:57:31 AM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: When I say "Atheist" I'm meaning the people who go out and try to actively convince people there is no such thing as God and that they are bad people for believing this.


We all understand that you are intentionally misusing the word "Atheist". We just want to know why.
2013-04-11 11:43:11 AM
1 votes:
Since this conversation has gone a askew, I would like to remind everyone that an elected official wants to bar a specific religion's prayer in the name of religious freedom.

You couldn't make this shat up.
2013-04-11 10:36:03 AM
1 votes:

Crabs_Can_Polevault: 2wolves: Goes to Callista Gringrich's hair dresser.

And then doesn't sit straight in the chair.


And constantly fidgets and chatters like a 13 year old cheerleader on bath salts.
2013-04-11 10:19:54 AM
1 votes:

Lackofname: spongeboob: Just today I was thinking

If you told the average American that a political candidate's religion was
A middle Eastern religion that believe that all people were evil and that they long. for the day that their deity destroyed the world and the people in it except for their fellow believers, that young children who died would spend eternity being tortured unless they had undergone a magical ritual.

Would the average American vote for that candidate?

Dude, I don't think the average American would even vote for an atheist.


DUUUDE, the avereage American doesn't even vote at all (thank the FSM, I mean could you imagine how bad things would be if the stupider half of America got off their couches and voted). Only around 55% of registered voters voted in the last PRESIDENTIAL election, mid-terms are even lower and some special elections get to be where 3 old ladies turn up by accident thinking it was bingo night and vote instead. And that was registered voters, not everyone registers, from 2008-2012 8 milion MORE people registered to vote but 5 million FEWER actually voted.

Thank the FSM for the apathy of the incredibly stupid so the truly stupid can get on with governing.
2013-04-11 10:19:34 AM
1 votes:
I didn't read the whole thread, but there is more info about it here:   http://www.wral.com/national-group-calls-on-gop-to-repudiate-nc-lawma k er-/12326400/

"No, I do not condone terrorism," Presnell responded. "Britt, we just need to start taking a stand on our religious freedom, or it will be whisked away from us."

"I am saddened that you make a leap from Allah to terrorism so quickly," Kaufmann responded. "If the state sets a precedent of choosing one religion above others, we have to be prepared for any religion to be chosen as the preferential one."

"No, you are wrong," Presnell responded. "Have a good day."

 No, you are wrong.  Have a good day.
 No, you are wrong.  Have a good day.
 No, you are wrong.  Have a good day.
 No, you are wrong.  Have a good day.
 No, you are wrong.  Have a good day.
 No, you are wrong.  Have a good day.
 No, you are wrong.  Have a good day.
 No, you are wrong.  Have a good day.
 No, you are wrong.  Have a good day.
 No, you are wrong.  Have a good day.
 No, you are wrong.  Have a good day.
 No, you are wrong.  Have a good day.


Amazing.
2013-04-11 10:18:02 AM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: Why the hell is it that when I call atheists on their derp, on their acting like they are religious while doing all the things that religions do, I get called a troll?


Because we don't want to believe that you are really that much of a fool.
We'd much rather give you the benefit of the doubt and think that you are posting deliberately provocative statements in order to stimulate emtion outbursts in others.

Perhaps we are giving you too much credit.
2013-04-11 10:17:06 AM
1 votes:
And this is why I don't support prayer in school.

/CSB: A hundred years ago, in a persuasive speaking course in college, I started a speech on prayer in school with a Satanic prayer. Half the class left, proving my point 30 seconds in to a seven minute speech.
2013-04-11 09:53:55 AM
1 votes:

Karac: Silverstaff: What about atheists who say everyone who disagrees with them is deluded and mentally ill? That's Dawkins big act, to mock theistic belief systems and say that everybody who believes otherwise is deluded. I've encountered a lot of atheists on the web who say that belief in God should be considered a mental illness and they hope one day to have a cure for it, to make people stop believing in God and become an Atheist. That's every bit as evangelizing as those annoying Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, or the Southern Baptists who scream that you're going to hell.

I'll be worried about them when they get elected and try to pass a law based on that line of thinking.


He doesn't want to talk about that. He likes the "atheism is a religion argument" - but when you concede his "point" and ask him about who is ACTUALLY trying to force their religion on the rest of us through government ................ crickets.
2013-04-11 09:53:23 AM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: Nice strawman you're trying to build of what I said.

I listed symbols as the last thing on a long list of things that atheists have been doing that have taken atheism from simply not believing in God to a complete belief system/religion.


Pointing out the flaws in your argument isn't a strawman.  Basically you've used a few individual anecdotes (like a comedian performing an unbaptism) and defined a non-belief as a religion.  I'm sorry but you look silly.   Also writing a book offering a logical criticism against religion doesn't make it a "dogmatic religious text".  Just like writing a book skeptical of Bigfoot doesn't make it a religion of anti-Bigfoot.
2013-04-11 09:50:18 AM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: What about atheists who say everyone who disagrees with them is deluded and mentally ill? That's Dawkins big act, to mock theistic belief systems and say that everybody who believes otherwise is deluded. I've encountered a lot of atheists on the web who say that belief in God should be considered a mental illness and they hope one day to have a cure for it, to make people stop believing in God and become an Atheist. That's every bit as evangelizing as those annoying Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, or the Southern Baptists who scream that you're going to hell.


I'll be worried about them when they get elected and try to pass a law based on that line of thinking.
2013-04-11 09:44:20 AM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: What about atheists who say everyone who disagrees with them is deluded and mentally ill? That's Dawkins big act, to mock theistic belief systems and say that everybody who believes otherwise is deluded. I've encountered a lot of atheists on the web who say that belief in God should be considered a mental illness and they hope one day to have a cure for it, to make people stop believing in God and become an Atheist. That's every bit as evangelizing as those annoying Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, or the Southern Baptists who scream that you're going to hell.


Some people are jerks therefore it's a religion.  Your logic is inescapable.
2013-04-11 09:38:32 AM
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Zasteva: Silverstaff: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck.

If it looks like the sun rises in the east, travels across the sky, and sets in the west, then the earth must circle the sun.

Congratulations! You've managed to reach a middle ages level of enlightenment!

/Wake us up when you discover electricity.
//Hint: it's the magic juice that makes your computer run


So you are saying i should stop putting gerbil treats in my cd rom drive?
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2013-04-11 09:24:01 AM
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Farking Canuck: Silverstaff: Sorry, Atheists, collectively, have derped out and created a full-bore religious belief system around denying religion, complete with congregations and worship services, dogmatic texts, symbols and rites/rituals.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck. You've got symbols, texts defining your beliefs, places where you congregate to share your beliefs, groups of people of like belief who gather together out of this belief, rites and rituals performed by these people in these places, and symbols to define and publicly proclaim your beliefs with, and have even had violent militants.

If it sounds like a religion, talks like a religion, and acts like a religion, it's a religion.

Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

Congratz ... this is some fine concentrated stupidity you have here.

To be clear, "atheists" did not do any of the above. We are not a group and we do not act as a group.

Some atheists have done some of the things you mention. But suggesting that these are common to all atheists is like insisting that all christians are abortion doctor murderers. Since some christians have brutally murdered abortion doctors in cold blood that must mean all christians are vicious murderers, right? That is your logic, correct??

If this is not the case then please stop posting this stupidity.


There is a practical agenda behind it - a dominionist agenda. The logic works like this:
Atheism is a religion.
Therefore, if the government remains silent on the subject of religion, it is actually endorsing a religion - atheism.
Thereby, we have established that the government MUST endorse some religion or other - so, which one?
Well, it's a democracy, so it should be the religion of the majority - Christianity.
Therefore, in order to abide by the First Amendment, the government must endorse Christianity.
It's airtight logic - study it out.
2013-04-11 09:03:13 AM
1 votes:
Did I step into a timewarp? "Atheism is a religion" on Fark in 2013? The fark?
2013-04-11 08:57:11 AM
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Silverstaff: Why the hell is it that when I call atheists on their derp, on their acting like they are religious while doing all the things that religions do, I get called a troll?


Maybe because I've yet to see an atheist tell me that my gay buddies aren't allowed to get so much as a second-class civil union OR tell me that I can't go to Walmart and buy a hammer after getting out of church on Sunday because it's not 1:30 in the afternoon yet.

Even the most militant atheists I've ever seen are only calling on the government to live up to it's own promise of not establishing a state religion.
2013-04-11 08:55:55 AM
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TheGregiss: vudukungfu: Religion is like guns and penises.
It's OK to have one.
It's OK to be proud of it.
Don't whip it out and wave it around at a polling place, a legislature, a school, a bank, the mall, etc. etc.

Fark atheists™ take note as this applies to you.


Because we're out condescendingly trying to convert people? That's a laugh.
2013-04-11 08:54:21 AM
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Biological Ali: Crewmannumber6: Egoy3k: Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?

They were extremists and some of them may have been Atheist (Marx was definitely not an Atheist) but they were not Atheist extremists. Their actions were not a result of extreme in atheism (which is  not really a thing anyway the same as a number more zero than zero isn't a thing) and their goals were not to spread atheism.

I'm not being a troll here, just ignorant. I thought one of the goals of communism was to create a society with out God. If I'm wrong please enlighten me.

Some communist regimes have tried to promote atheism, but the things they did to promote atheism have nothing to do with the atrocities that they're known for today.


Karl Marx was a Christian, and Marxism is largely derived from Christian values.
2013-04-11 08:52:15 AM
1 votes:
Well, now I know what Alton Brown would look like in drag.
2013-04-11 08:47:03 AM
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ph0rk: jso2897: ph0rk: jso2897: I'm not required to correct every foolish thing some fool believs, especially when it's not germain to the point under discussion. I don't want the leader of , say, my city council to start every session by proclaiming that there is no god, and that religion is bunk - nor do I want him leading it off with a prayer to some god or other - and that's the issue raised by TFA.

Sure, context matters. The nice thing is you can always just go with "ok, fine. you think it is a religion. Aren't those, like, protected by the Constitution or something?" And wait for the sputtering to begin.

Won't help in cases like this with an elected official, but little you can actually say will help here. You? We - this is my state too.

No it isn't. I live in California - on the coast, where this kind of shenanigan is rare. They go pretty light on the official religion stuff out here.

Fine, your profile was nonspecific. My point is this is pretty close to home, so your hypothetical is our reality. And really, there isn't a damned thing I can do about Rowan county or Burnsville.


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Infiltrate, undermine, and subvert.
2013-04-11 08:36:53 AM
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Joe Blowme: Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.


Did that actually make sense inside your head when you posted it?
2013-04-11 08:36:35 AM
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UNC_Samurai: The people who look at the "I'm an atheist" attention whores and think they need to take the time to biatch about them before doing something about the actual Dominionists trying to ruin our nice things?  I think that falls into the "I'm glad you've found a way to feel superior to both" category.  And bless their hearts.


To be honest I get the impression more of them are basically running the tactic "Both Sides Are Bad So Legislate Christianity".
2013-04-11 08:35:32 AM
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Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?


They were athier than just about anybody!
2013-04-11 08:33:28 AM
1 votes:
Another stupid Christian Republican. But I repeat myself.
2013-04-11 08:26:45 AM
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NewportBarGuy: How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?


They wouldn't qualify. Cashiering is a productive job that requires developing useful skills, thinking & problem solving, operating complex equipment, interpersonal interaction, and self discipline.

Politicians & bureaucrats aren't capable of those things; it's why they're politicians & bureaucrats.

See, one of our nation's greatest strengths is that we take the stupidest, most useless people around, and not only give them jobs, but also put them in charge.
2013-04-11 08:21:54 AM
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TheGregiss: Go through this thread.

Replace "atheist" with "christian" and "christian" with "muslim" and suddenly it looks like your local teaparty meeting.

Let's try it:


Gig103: Well said. Sad that she doesn't even see the irony in saying we need to protect religious freedom in the same breath she is condemning a religion.  How is it that our Founding Fathers were so on-the-ball about this stuff but we've regressed into stupid Christian Muslim bullshiat?


spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity Islam to be the official state religion.


spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist Christian lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist Christians would have to admit that atheism Christianity is a religion.  I don't think any atheist Christian will admit that.


mamoru: I've lived in and visited a few countries around the world, and so far I have to say that, as an atheist a Christian, Japan has been the most comfortable for my lack of belief. This is having lived in the US (various places all over the east coast), Japan, Morocco, and now Thailand, as well as visiting England, France, Spain, Malaysia, and Indonesia. The only country I've lived in where anyone has made an issue of my lack of belief, trying to "save" me or damning me to hell, was the USA. Even in Morocco, a Muslim country, no one really cared that I was an atheist a Christian. I had several conversations that went something like this:

Moroccan: "Can I ask, are you a ChristianMuslim?"
Me: "Nope. I'm not religious."
Moroccan: "Ever thought about converting to Islam?"
Me: "Nope."
Moroccan: "Do you believe in God?"
Me: "Nope. Sorry." (expecting that it might bother that person)
Moroccan: "Ah, no problem. So... hungry?"
Me: "Sure. I could use something to eat."
Moroccan: "Me, too. Let's go get some food."


Sorry, this just isn't working...

Oh, wait, we've got this gem:

TheGregiss: B b but muh dont like christians muslims and tryin' to feel edgy!
Congrats turd nuggets youve joined the very same club of the people you profess to hate.


Yeah, I kind of get your point... some people are just *ssholes and like to be rude to others.
2013-04-11 08:19:48 AM
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Silverstaff: They have even adopted symbols to define their belief system:


The Darwin fish was created during the height of the 'teach the controversy' nonsense as a way to show support for science education. It has nothing to do with Atheism. If you think that evolution is an atheist idea then you are dead wrong. It's a scientific fact*.

*Please please please don't be one of those 'It's only a theory' mouth breathers.
2013-04-11 08:19:27 AM
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Gig103: scottydoesntknow: The only "religious freedom" you want is the freedom to get rid of every other religion except yours, you coont.

Well said. Sad that she doesn't even see the irony in saying we need to protect religious freedom in the same breath she is condemning a religion.  How is it that our Founding Fathers were so on-the-ball about this stuff but we've regressed into stupid Christian bullshiat?


The short answer: Gerrymandering.

The longer answer: something about democracy, wolves, sheep, bread, and circuses.
2013-04-11 08:16:39 AM
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spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion.  I don't think any atheist will admit that.


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2013-04-11 08:16:14 AM
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Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion


2/10

Too wordy. You need to trim it down to, at most, two or three snappy sentences. See letrole's work for reference.
2013-04-11 08:08:09 AM
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neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.


Now the intolerant Atheist derp starts.

Okay, you know, I used to think that Atheists weren't religious, that they just didn't care about religion.

Then they start showing as much hatred and intolerance of others as many religions (like your "Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks" bit.

Then you start adding in ceremonies and rites, like unbaptism: Bill Maher performing an unbaptism

Then you start having church services and congregations of an Atheist Church: Sunday Assembly

Then you start writing books about how you're the only correct belief system and that everyone else is deluded and mentally ill and are mentally inferior to your belief system: The God Delusion

They even have had organized militant members, devoted to extermination of the worshipers of other beliefs: League of Militant Atheists

They have even adopted symbols to define their belief system:
www.religioustolerance.orgwww.religioustolerance.orgtuftsfreethought.orgecx.images-amazon.com

Sorry, Atheists, collectively, have derped out and created a full-bore religious belief system around denying religion, complete with congregations and worship services, dogmatic texts, symbols and rites/rituals.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck.  You've got symbols, texts defining your beliefs, places where you congregate to share your beliefs, groups of people of like belief who gather together out of this belief, rites and rituals performed by these people in these places, and symbols to define and publicly proclaim your beliefs with, and have even had violent militants.

If it sounds like a religion, talks like a religion, and acts like a religion, it's a religion.

Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion
2013-04-11 07:50:20 AM
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UNC_Samurai: A lot of this comes from American post-war efforts to demilitarize Shinto, which had been heavily appropriated for politico-military use.  Take a look at the 1945 'Directive for the Disestablishment of State Shinto"; it was the roadmap for removing religion as an instrument of nationalism in Japan.


It'd be nice if we could do that here.
2013-04-11 07:41:25 AM
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Joce678: What do we expect from a government who recently adopted "In God we trust" as a motto?

Is anybody under any illusion about which deity they were thinking of when they adopted that?


Lucifer?
2013-04-11 07:34:24 AM
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b0rscht: I WILL EAT YOUR FACE

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2013-04-11 07:34:15 AM
1 votes:

Lackofname: spongeboob: Just today I was thinking

If you told the average American that a political candidate's religion was
A middle Eastern religion that believe that all people were evil and that they long. for the day that their deity destroyed the world and the people in it except for their fellow believers, that young children who died would spend eternity being tortured unless they had undergone a magical ritual.

Would the average American vote for that candidate?

Dude, I don't think the average American would even vote for an atheist.


I think the American populace has voted plenty of atheists into office. Just as we've voted into office plenty of gay Republican senators.
2013-04-11 07:23:39 AM
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Spanky_McFarksalot: is she just a regular republican idiot or tea party republican idiot?


LOL it's cute that you think there's a difference.
2013-04-11 07:22:04 AM
1 votes:

Misch: spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity to be the official state religion.

The clause of the Constitution which, while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity through the United States; and as every sect believes its own form the true one, every one perhaps hoped for his own, but especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists. The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes and they believe that any portion of power confided to me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly. - Thomas Jefferson


So the Founding Fathers did support abortion!
2013-04-11 07:18:07 AM
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lewismarktwo: NC is now literally half Yankee yuppie scum transplants who go there to get away from things like having to pay workers a decent wage.


"My taxes are so low!! Why is my child's school so shiatty?"

They're not very good at putting two and two together, either.
2013-04-11 07:13:02 AM
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these gems should be put on large well made plaques bolted to the building where the idiot works. protected from the weather and well lit at night. when buildings across America start to sag from the weight of the plaques featuring our fearless leaders stupidity people will catch on that we have to make major changes to the system that allows the mentally deficient to hold public offices.

neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.


I'll pray for you.
2013-04-11 07:12:57 AM
1 votes:

neongoats: This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion



It's like saying bald is a hair style....


Love that one.
2013-04-11 07:11:55 AM
1 votes:

natas6.0: yes yes yes, I understand all the impotent rage against the mean old religious people who like to pray before a meeting.
yes they're ignorant
yes they say stupid crap
but I really dislike that we have to accomodate  all the things
if you don't like something, you have the freedom to walk the fark out
THAT seems more like the america I used to like


We don't have to accommodate all the things. Were not supposed to accommodate ANY of them. It's not impotent rage, it's the constitution.
2013-04-11 07:10:54 AM
1 votes:

berylman: She's still not as vile as representative Virginia Foxx.


Oh come on! That's a porn star, not an elected official.
2013-04-11 07:10:21 AM
1 votes:

spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion.  I don't think any atheist will admit that.


Just like not collecting stamps is a hobbie.
2013-04-11 07:10:04 AM
1 votes:
Again, the ignorance and hypocrisy is astounding...

Between this, Rand Paul's condescending speech at Howard, and that yahoo in Kansas using "n*gger-rigging" at a meeting, the GOP sure is making good on its rhetoric to be more inclusive of minorities, eh?
2013-04-11 07:07:02 AM
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Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.


This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.
2013-04-11 07:02:21 AM
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AdolfOliverPanties: [i.huffpost.com image 570x238]

And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.


I'm just not sure they're HER teeth.

/paging Mr. Dollarhyde
2013-04-11 06:43:06 AM
1 votes:
Is there any country where I can get some freedom FROM religion?
2013-04-11 06:42:34 AM
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TFA
The North Carolina measure responds to the ACLU suit by declaring that each state is "sovereign" and no federal court can prevent a state from "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." Though Warren, one of the bill's authors, told HuffPost Live that the measure was not seeking to create a state religion, the drafted legislation would clearly allow for such an action.

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Disagrees
2013-04-11 06:31:48 AM
1 votes:
yes yes yes, I understand all the impotent rage against the mean old religious people who like to pray before a meeting.
yes they're ignorant
yes they say stupid crap
but I really dislike that we have to accomodate  all the things
if you don't like something, you have the freedom to walk the fark out
THAT seems more like the america I used to like
2013-04-10 11:49:31 PM
1 votes:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?


Why would you assume any particular atheist would want a well-functioning place of meeting for the North Carolina legislature?
2013-04-10 11:28:57 PM
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King Something: hubiestubert: [lh5.googleusercontent.com image 640x480]
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In fairness, we might want to teach a bit more than just Christianity. We all aren't Christians out here. And as a Buddhist, I don't want my faith emblazoned on pubic walls, but then again, my daughter isn't Christian, and I don't exactly want her being exposed to ONLY Christian ideas and ideals...

I don't think too many people want their religious faiths emblazoned on pubic walls either.


Gottverdammit Auto-Correct!
2013-04-10 10:13:11 PM
1 votes:
Thank God for Patriots like her, defending our Freedom of  Religion Christianity.
2013-04-10 09:36:31 PM
1 votes:

spongeboob: Just today I was thinking

If you told the average American that a political candidate's religion was
A middle Eastern religion that believe that all people were evil and that they long. for the day that their deity destroyed the world and the people in it except for their fellow believers, that young children who died would spend eternity being tortured unless they had undergone a magical ritual.

Would the average American vote for that candidate?


And it is based on a group requiring male members to lop off part of their .. well... member.
2013-04-10 09:32:07 PM
1 votes:
dumbimages.net
2013-04-10 09:11:28 PM
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Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?


At least there's tangible evidence of that.
2013-04-10 09:06:41 PM
1 votes:
Here are your choices:

1. None of the religions in public spaces.

2. All of the religions in public spaces.
2013-04-10 09:01:48 PM
1 votes:

NewportBarGuy: How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?


Because the people who bag sh*t at a CVS are the ones voting them into office.
2013-04-10 08:22:03 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: The only "religious freedom" you want is the freedom to get rid of every other religion except yours, you coont.


Well said. Sad that she doesn't even see the irony in saying we need to protect religious freedom in the same breath she is condemning a religion.  How is it that our Founding Fathers were so on-the-ball about this stuff but we've regressed into stupid Christian bullshiat?
2013-04-10 08:11:25 PM
1 votes:
Goes to Callista Gringrich's hair dresser.
2013-04-10 07:58:14 PM
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Please use the Obvious tag on articles where the GOP is befuddled by logical consistency. TY and have a nice penis.
2013-04-10 07:57:01 PM
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Another uneducated bigoted politician?

Color me shocked
2013-04-10 07:49:43 PM
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NewportBarGuy: How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?


CVS cashiers are even dumber.
 
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