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2013-04-11 10:42:58 AM

utharda: log_jammin: Karac: One of my fondest dreams is to learn to say the Lord's Prayer in the original Aramaic, or even just Hebrew - you know, just like Jesus would do.

And then go to a local school board meeting, ask if I can say a prayer before we start, and see how long it takes before I have to switch to english to yell "DON'T TASE ME BRO!"

OMG....that is simply an awesome idea!

I think the Latin would probably do the job.

for the record,

Pater noster, qui es in caelis:sanctificetur Nomen Tuum;adveniat Regnum Tuum;fiat voluntas Tua,sicut in caelo, et in terra.Panem nostrum cotidianum da nobis hodie;et dimitte nobis debita nostra,sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris;et ne nos inducas in tentationem;sed libera nos a Malo.Amen.


The problem with using Latin is that you might have someone in the audience who was Catholic (admittedly a small chance where I live in South Carolina), or who would recognize the language and cadence.  By going to a language with a lot of phlegm in it you would make most of them assume you were speaking Muslim.  Plus, by using the Aramaic you could honesty say to a reporter "What would Jesus do?  Apparently he'd get his ass thrown out of a PTA meeting."
 
2013-04-11 10:46:55 AM

ciberido: catmandu: FTA: "The North Carolina measure responds to the ACLU suit by declaring that each state is "sovereign" and no federal court can prevent a state from "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." "

Ummmm, isn't accepting the US Constitution a condition of becoming one of the United States?


Yeah, that's the sort of derp that should disqualify them from voting, much less holding an elected position.


I don't think we want to start down that road. Running for office is a fundamental right, and we don't want to start trying to take it away from people who aren't as passionate as we are about what we think the Constitution says.
 
2013-04-11 10:47:15 AM

Silverstaff: Just like somebody who has never been exposed to religion in their life is not an atheist, they just lack any kind of belief system.



Do you have a different word that you use to describe the "lack any kind of belief system " other than atheism?

Everyone is an atheist when they are born. I suspect that you, along with most other religious people, were not old enough to remember when you converted from atheism to religion.
 
2013-04-11 10:47:59 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Somacandra: spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity to be the official state religion.
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Roman Catholics strangling and roasting Dutch Mennonites in 1554.
[i.imgur.com image 280x375]French Protestants liberating the entrails of Catholics in 1607.
Yeah....we've seen that movie before and *Spoiler Alert*: It doesn't end well.

Led to some pretty good games, though.
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/hot as Henry VIII's wives' pregnancy chart


how "dare" you.
 
2013-04-11 10:49:29 AM

Thunderboy: hinten: You know which country acknowledges Christian religion in their constitutional preamble?
You know which country opts-in its citizen into a Christian church tax via the federal income tax process?
You know which country offers 1h minimum in religion class per week in public schools?


Now ask yourself, which country has more overzealous Christians than the country in the questions above?

I was told there would be no math religion.


Math is a religion.

/Off to file tax free status for my Church of Math.
//Maybe Church of empirical data.
 
2013-04-11 10:52:06 AM

Joe Blowme: Langdon_777: She (and this thread) probably need to watch this:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/cern-physicist-tom-whynti e- explains-the-universe-for-beginners/story-fn5fsgyc-1226618422049

So where did all that energy come from? Was it always there? Did zeus put it there? Who put zeus there?
Im going with Thor having a temper tantrum


We don't know. More importantly, it is unlikely that we will ever have any way of knowing. That doesn't mean we need to invent a deity to create it.

And as an atheist, don't have any problem with theists who say "God created the energy". Fine. I can't disprove that. I don't choose to believe it, but if someone wants to it's no biggie.

The problem is when they go on to describe a bunch of other things that God does that are provably false, and then try to dictate how I should live my life on the basis of their belief system.
 
2013-04-11 10:52:15 AM

spongeboob: /shouldn't it be Best Carolina


Do you really want to get into an argument about which Carolina is worse?
 
2013-04-11 10:57:57 AM

ciberido: More specifically, atheism and religion are both life stances.


From your own link there can be 'life stances' based on atheism.

A lack of a belief is nothing more than that. Some people take it further ... the actions of these people do not change the base definition.
 
2013-04-11 11:00:59 AM
The North Carolina measure responds to the ACLU suit by declaring that each state is "sovereign" and no federal court can prevent a state from "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion."

OK guys, you have a month. Everyone who wants to be a part of the US needs to make plans to move out of NC. They want to be "sovereign", then they can be that way as a separate country entirely. The bonus is that you aren't completely surrounded by the US, AND you get some coastline. Other states that are trying to play the "sovereign" card aren't so lucky.

How's that?
 
2013-04-11 11:04:13 AM

Robert Farker: Silverstaff: Just like somebody who has never been exposed to religion in their life is not an atheist, they just lack any kind of belief system.


Do you have a different word that you use to describe the "lack any kind of belief system " other than atheism?

Everyone is an atheist when they are born. I suspect that you, along with most other religious people, were not old enough to remember when you converted from atheism to religion.


But if I believe god doesn't exist, that's a belief system, and now I'm not an atheist.  Wordplay is fun!

/don't believe in god
//don't care what word people want to use to define that
 
2013-04-11 11:08:32 AM

ciberido: spongeboob: /shouldn't it be Best Carolina

Do you really want to get into an argument about which Carolina is worse?


Oh, the southern one is undoubtedly worse.
 
2013-04-11 11:12:33 AM

Silverstaff: Just like somebody who has never been exposed to religion in their life is not an atheist, they just lack any kind of belief system.


Okay, I think I see the problem here:

You are thinking that gnostic atheists and agnostic atheists are the same thing.

Agnostic Atheists do not accept the evidence presented to date for the existence of God. They do not claim to know of God's nonexistence.

Gnostic Atheists claim that that they know that God does not exist.

The biggest point of confusion is this. Most Atheists are Agnostic for some definitions of God, and Gnostic for others.

For example, if you tell me that there was a God that created the universe by starting off the Big Bang, I'm agnostic on that point. But if you tell me that the Christian God exists as described by the Bible, then I know that's not true. I'm a Gnostic Atheist toward the Christian God.
 
2013-04-11 11:20:48 AM

jso2897: He's trying to establish, I think, that if government is silent on the subject of religion, it is violating the first amendment, because atheism is a religion, or something. I don't know, because he won't say.


No I'm not.  I NEVER said that.  Where did I say that?  In any post I've ever made on Fark?  Try reading my posts instead of just assuming I'm some fundamentalist strawman to knock down.

I think the government should be completely silent on the issue of religion.  We have the Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause and No Religious Test clauses in the US Constitution for a reason.

If it was actively saying there was no God, and that people shouldn't believe in God and are wrong to do so, and making it so that it was official government policy that people who believed in God were deluded and mentally ill, then it would be endorsing Atheism.

All I've been saying this whole thread is that Atheism is a religion, because it has adopted the trappings of it.  From trying to evangelize others to your beliefs about God while holding that they are inherently wrong for believing what the do, to using symbols to sum up your beliefs, to having books that belief, to holding public meetings about that belief, to holding ceremonies and rites related to that belief.  That isn't just not believing in God, that's a whole lifestyle and belief system advocating that not only is there not a God, that nobody should believe in Him and that must be spread.
 
2013-04-11 11:25:02 AM

Joe Blowme: I agree, can we start throwing them out of office when they go against the constitution? Or is that just for republicans? If the former, we can start with everyone who is trying to infringe on teh 2nd.


There's room for reasonable debate about the meaning of particular parts of the Constitution. Whether you agree or disagree about their rationales is totally within the normal scope of politics.

However, people who argue their state doesn't have to follow the US Constitution are at least grossly incompetent and should be voted out of office.

Now, let's take a look at the North Carolina State Constitution:

Article I, Sec. 5.  Allegiance to the United States.

Every citizen of this State owes paramount allegiance to the Constitution and government of the United States, and no law or ordinance of the State in contravention or subversion thereof can have any binding force.


Article III, Sec. 4.  Oath of office for Governor.

The Governor, before entering upon the duties of his office, shall, before any Justice of the Supreme Court, take an oath or affirmation that he will support the Constitution and laws of the United States and of the State of North Carolina, and that he will faithfully perform the duties pertaining to the office of governor.

Now, by my read, she has broken her oath of office. She should be impeached, convicted and removed from office.
 
2013-04-11 11:25:35 AM
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I'd convert.
 
2013-04-11 11:26:40 AM

stonicus: Robert Farker: Silverstaff: Just like somebody who has never been exposed to religion in their life is not an atheist, they just lack any kind of belief system.


Do you have a different word that you use to describe the "lack any kind of belief system " other than atheism?

Everyone is an atheist when they are born. I suspect that you, along with most other religious people, were not old enough to remember when you converted from atheism to religion.

But if I believe god doesn't exist, that's a belief system, and now I'm not an atheist.  Wordplay is fun!

/don't believe in god
//don't care what word people want to use to define that


I don't believe God does exist.
I do believe God doesn't exist.

Which one is a religion?
 
2013-04-11 11:31:04 AM

spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion.  I don't think any atheist will admit that.


What is this Atheism you speak of?

I worship the flying spaghetti monster.

Ramen
 
2013-04-11 11:31:16 AM

Silverstaff: All I've been saying this whole thread is that Atheism is a religion, because it has adopted the trappings of it.  From trying to evangelize others to your beliefs about God while holding that they are inherently wrong for believing what the do, to using symbols to sum up your beliefs, to having books that belief, to holding public meetings about that belief, to holding ceremonies and rites related to that belief.  That isn't just not believing in God, that's a whole lifestyle and belief system advocating that not only is there not a God, that nobody should believe in Him and that must be spread.


I and several others have attempted to explain why this is incorrect.

There is no "atheist lifestyle". There are no "ceremonies and rites" for atheism. Knowing that a particular definition of God that some theist holds is provably false is not the same as believing in a particular God.

Still don't get it? Explain to me how, under your definition of religion, are the GOP and Democratic Party not religions?
 
2013-04-11 11:32:56 AM

Silverstaff: jso2897: He's trying to establish, I think, that if government is silent on the subject of religion, it is violating the first amendment, because atheism is a religion, or something. I don't know, because he won't say.

No I'm not.  I NEVER said that.  Where did I say that?  In any post I've ever made on Fark?  Try reading my posts instead of just assuming I'm some fundamentalist strawman to knock down.

I think the government should be completely silent on the issue of religion.  We have the Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause and No Religious Test clauses in the US Constitution for a reason.

If it was actively saying there was no God, and that people shouldn't believe in God and are wrong to do so, and making it so that it was official government policy that people who believed in God were deluded and mentally ill, then it would be endorsing Atheism.

All I've been saying this whole thread is that Atheism is a religion, because it has adopted the trappings of it.  From trying to evangelize others to your beliefs about God while holding that they are inherently wrong for believing what the do, to using symbols to sum up your beliefs, to having books that belief, to holding public meetings about that belief, to holding ceremonies and rites related to that belief.  That isn't just not believing in God, that's a whole lifestyle and belief system advocating that not only is there not a God, that nobody should believe in Him and that must be spread.


Smarter people than you have tried to show that atheism was a religion and they have failed.

1) atheism requires no faith
2) atheism has no ritual
3) atheism has no leader or church
 
2013-04-11 11:33:02 AM

stonicus: She makes me ashamed to live in NC.  =(


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2013-04-11 11:35:51 AM

CapeFearCadaver: stonicus: She makes me ashamed to live in NC.  =(

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Yep
 
2013-04-11 11:40:54 AM
Mr. Cat Poop:
I don't believe God does exist.
I do believe God doesn't exist.

Which one is a religion?


Well, the first has absolutely no elements of a religion.

The second depends on what you mean by "God".

- Are you talking about a specific definition of God that is counter to observable reality? The no, that's just science, not religion.

- Are you categorically denying all possible definitions of metaphysical beings outside our universe? Well, then maybe. You certainly have the belief in something based on faith that is required for religion. However most definitions of religion talk about it being the belief in a superhuman controlling power, God or gods. So even then it's a stretch to call your believe a religion.
 
2013-04-11 11:42:17 AM

kronicfeld: spongeboob: I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion. I don't think any atheist will admit that.

Is that like "admitting" that rain falls up?


It's like admitting that raaaaaaaaa-in falls up on your wedding day.
 
2013-04-11 11:42:22 AM

TheGogmagog: Thunderboy: hinten: You know which country acknowledges Christian religion in their constitutional preamble?
You know which country opts-in its citizen into a Christian church tax via the federal income tax process?
You know which country offers 1h minimum in religion class per week in public schools?


Now ask yourself, which country has more overzealous Christians than the country in the questions above?

I was told there would be no math religion.

Math is a religion.

/Off to file tax free status for my Church of Math.
//Maybe Church of empirical data.


Presumably Carol Vorderman would have to be high priestess of the Church of Math
 
2013-04-11 11:43:11 AM
Since this conversation has gone a askew, I would like to remind everyone that an elected official wants to bar a specific religion's prayer in the name of religious freedom.

You couldn't make this shat up.
 
2013-04-11 11:45:28 AM

Zasteva: All I've been saying this whole thread is that Atheism is a religion, because it has adopted the trappings of it.


One more try...

If I adopt the trappings of Catholic priest, does that make me one? What about if I know all the words to the mass and steal the robes and eucharist from a real Catholic church?

If I adopt the trappings of a policeman, does that make me one? What about if I get all the right equipment and go through the same training?
 
2013-04-11 11:54:10 AM

Zasteva: Silverstaff: Just like somebody who has never been exposed to religion in their life is not an atheist, they just lack any kind of belief system.

Okay, I think I see the problem here:

You are thinking that gnostic atheists and agnostic atheists are the same thing.

Agnostic Atheists do not accept the evidence presented to date for the existence of God. They do not claim to know of God's nonexistence.

Gnostic Atheists claim that that they know that God does not exist.

The biggest point of confusion is this. Most Atheists are Agnostic for some definitions of God, and Gnostic for others.

For example, if you tell me that there was a God that created the universe by starting off the Big Bang, I'm agnostic on that point. But if you tell me that the Christian God exists as described by the Bible, then I know that's not true. I'm a Gnostic Atheist toward the Christian God.


Yeah, I think we're working under some different beliefs.

When I say "Atheist" I'm meaning the people who go out and try to actively convince people there is no such thing as God and that they are bad people for believing this.   I used to not even care about this, but the steady stream of annoying people on the Internet telling me that I am mentally ill/immature/bad person for not being an Atheist has pretty steadily soured me on them.  Every time I see atheists adopting trappings of religion (church services, symbols) to describe their relationship with the divine (i.e. active disbelief).

It's like a guy I went to Basic Training with, who when it was Sunday morning and we all had the option of going to Church for 1 hour, he said his religion was Atheist so he demanded 1 hour to read his copy of The God Delusion.  We were all allowed one religious text, he kept Dawkins book in his wall locker under the "Religious Book" rule.  When we were allowed a moment of prayer before meals, he would recite the order of the planets or start to recite the periodic table when others were saying Christian prayers.  As the first person I had to deal with in my life, out there in the real word, who was openly atheist, he certainly made a point of replacing everything religious with an atheist equivalent.

Funny thing is, I've got a lot of problems with Christian theology, and my own personal beliefs are somewhat close to what you'd call agnostic up there, that I believe there is some kind of deity that created the universe and sits above everything but I'm pretty fuzzy on the details and I'm not really saying he's going around performing miracles every day and that He somehow revealed himself to some Semitic tribes in antiquity and only through passed down b

Oh, and Zasteva, I missed your earlier post about the motivations and the apology for the snark relating to the middle ages.  I wanted to thank you for that.  Yes, I do what I do, out in the real world, because I want to help people.  I'm not out to convert anybody to any belief system, believe or don't believe, just follow Wheaton's Law and Don't Be a Dick about it.  A lot of Atheists are being dicks, and doing so in the exact same style as theistic fundamentalists.  That's what my problem really is with.

I don't believe that theism is inherently destructive though.  It certainly can be, part of why I no longer consider myself Christian came from what happened when I started asking too many theological questions at the Southern Baptist church I grew up at.  On the other hand, I've seen some wonderful things happen in the world because of faith-based communities and activity.  Any belief system can be taken too far.  You don't want to be called a religion, okay, I can actually understand that, but a significant number of Atheists are going around acting like it is a religion while also denying that
 
2013-04-11 11:55:50 AM
BTW, in case it hasn't been posted yet, here's the email exchange in question.
 
2013-04-11 11:57:31 AM

Silverstaff: When I say "Atheist" I'm meaning the people who go out and try to actively convince people there is no such thing as God and that they are bad people for believing this.


We all understand that you are intentionally misusing the word "Atheist". We just want to know why.
 
2013-04-11 11:57:44 AM

impaler: Since this conversation has gone a askew, I would like to remind everyone that an elected official wants to bar a specific religion's prayer in the name of religious freedom.

You couldn't make this shat up.


The funny part is that she honestly, truly, does not comprehend the innate hypocrisy of her statements, because, after all, only her religion is the One True Religion. She is what you get when you have mindless belief without critical thinking.

And she's an elected official. A majority of folks in her constituency said, "yes, that's what we need - a conservative Christian moron!"
 
2013-04-11 11:58:39 AM

Silverstaff: Zasteva: Silverstaff: Just like somebody who has never been exposed to religion in their life is not an atheist, they just lack any kind of belief system.

Okay, I think I see the problem here:

You are thinking that gnostic atheists and agnostic atheists are the same thing.

Agnostic Atheists do not accept the evidence presented to date for the existence of God. They do not claim to know of God's nonexistence.

Gnostic Atheists claim that that they know that God does not exist.

The biggest point of confusion is this. Most Atheists are Agnostic for some definitions of God, and Gnostic for others.

For example, if you tell me that there was a God that created the universe by starting off the Big Bang, I'm agnostic on that point. But if you tell me that the Christian God exists as described by the Bible, then I know that's not true. I'm a Gnostic Atheist toward the Christian God.

Yeah, I think we're working under some different beliefs.

When I say "Atheist" I'm meaning the people who go out and try to actively convince people there is no such thing as God and that they are bad people for believing this.   I used to not even care about this, but the steady stream of annoying people on the Internet telling me that I am mentally ill/immature/bad person for not being an Atheist has pretty steadily soured me on them.  Every time I see atheists adopting trappings of religion (church services, symbols) to describe their relationship with the divine (i.e. active disbelief).

It's like a guy I went to Basic Training with, who when it was Sunday morning and we all had the option of going to Church for 1 hour, he said his religion was Atheist so he demanded 1 hour to read his copy of The God Delusion.  We were all allowed one religious text, he kept Dawkins book in his wall locker under the "Religious Book" rule.  When we were allowed a moment of prayer before meals, he would recite the order of the planets or start to recite the periodic table when others were saying Christi ...


Toss in ignosticism, and watch the fun! I'm an ignostic.
 
2013-04-11 12:03:09 PM

Egoy3k: Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?

They were extremists and some of them may have been Atheist (Marx was definitely not an Atheist) but they were not Atheist extremists. Their actions were not a result of extreme in atheism (which is  not really a thing anyway the same as a number more zero than zero isn't a thing) and their goals were not to spread atheism.


And here, we find one of the chief roadblocks to this discussion. Assuming both parties are willing to have a discussion, it seems it is incredibly difficult for religious folks in general to divorce a person's actions from his/her belief system. Their general concept is that everything they do proceeds from their religion, and they therefore tend to assume the same is true of others. I am in the atheist/agnostic camp (in central North Carolina, btw), but I can tell you there is very little I do that is done because of my belief or lack thereof - in fact, about the only thing that is thereby motivated is my desire to question believers, and even that is done out of a wish to understand rather than a desire to 'win someone over'.
 
2013-04-11 12:03:13 PM

UNC_Samurai: "Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."


Leave it to a bunch of puritans to try to convince us all that opium is a bad thing. If beer is proof that God loves us, opium is proof that God is so incredibly horny for us that he'll occasionally stoop to slipping us a mickey.
 
2013-04-11 12:07:47 PM

Silverstaff: All I've been saying this whole thread is that Atheism is a religion, because it has adopted the trappings of it.  From trying to evangelize others to your beliefs about God while holding that they are inherently wrong for believing what the do, to using symbols to sum up your beliefs, to having books that belief, to holding public meetings about that belief, to holding ceremonies and rites related to that belief.  That isn't just not believing in God, that's a whole lifestyle and belief system advocating that not only is there not a God, that nobody should believe in Him and that must be spread.


So you would consider that Apple Inc is a religion then?

-trying to evangelize other? check
-believing that others are inherently wrong? check
-using symbols to sum up beliefs? check
-public meetings? check
-ceremonies and rites, like the annual line-up outside the Apple store? check

As an added bonus - Apple also passes around the collection plate and has a central god-like leader.
 
2013-04-11 12:10:35 PM

Silverstaff: believe or don't believe, just follow Wheaton's Law and Don't Be a Dick about it.


If you are going to got through the trouble of creating an imaginary atheist who is acting like a dick you might want to imagine some behavior that actually makes him seem like dick. Your pretend atheist didn't do a damn thing wrong by pointing out the inherent hypocrisy of giving the religious special privileges. We don't give special privileges to people who hear voices or believe in aliens or any other beliefs without evidence unless they combine those beliefs with ritual that is equally nonsensical at which point they get put into a sphere of human behavior that we can't criticize. The world shouldn't work like that.
 
2013-04-11 12:11:41 PM

sinanju: mamoru: lucksi: Is there any country where I can get some freedom FROM religion?

I've lived in and visited a few countries around the world, and so far I have to say that, as an atheist, Japan has been the most comfortable for my lack of belief. This is having lived in the US (various places all over the east coast), Japan, Morocco, and now Thailand, as well as visiting England, France, Spain, Malaysia, and Indonesia. The only country I've lived in where anyone has made an issue of my lack of belief, trying to "save" me or damning me to hell, was the USA. Even in Morocco, a Muslim country, no one really cared that I was an atheist. I had several conversations that went something like this:

Moroccan: "Can I ask, are you a Christian?"
Me: "Nope. I'm not religious."
Moroccan: "Ever thought about converting to Islam?"
Me: "Nope."
Moroccan: "Do you believe in God?"
Me: "Nope. Sorry." (expecting that it might bother that person)
Moroccan: "Ah, no problem. So... hungry?"
Me: "Sure. I could use something to eat."
Moroccan: "Me, too. Let's go get some food."

But I digress.

There may be places better than Japan for an atheist to live, but if you like Japanese food, modern conveniences, great public transport, Japanese women, etc. or are interested in Japanese culture, then I highly recommend it. ;)

It's your Moroccan friend's duty to ask.  I've had exactly the same conversation with a commuter train buddy who's Muslim.  I forget which surah mentions it.


That seems odd. Maybe it depends on where you are, but in my experience of the region, asking a guest in your home about religion or politics is only slightly less rude than shiatting in their handbag.
 
2013-04-11 12:14:41 PM

Deathfrogg: On the flipside, the Puritans came to North America because they had been more or less thrown out of England for their constant subversion of parliamentary rule after their extremist Calvinism conflicted with the milder form of Christianity represented by the Anglican Church, who tolerated Catholicism to some degree, especially after the English Restoration in 1660.


There is so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to begin.
 
2013-04-11 12:15:12 PM

UNC_Samurai: "Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."


Bear in mind that this was before modern anesthetics. Opium had a legitimate and necessary medical use.
 
2013-04-11 12:19:08 PM

This About That: I especially like the part where, in a very few sentences she says "We just need to start taking a stand on our religious freedom or it will be whisked away from us." seconds after she said that allowing Muslim prayer is supporting terrorism. Have legislators always been this ignorant, or is it just because of the Internet that we hear about it?



No, no, it makes perfect sense, so long as you understand that "freedom" is being used in that sentence to mean "the power to enforce our beliefs about religion on everybody else who lives here."
 
kgf
2013-04-11 12:23:30 PM
"We must lift the ban on MY religion in public places"

There, fixed that for her.
 
2013-04-11 12:24:21 PM
Surprise, surprise. She's also one of those "rape babies are gifts from Gods" type of Repubs. Also believes that if the mother's pregnancy is endagering her life, well then, the mother should die, too.
 
2013-04-11 12:30:04 PM

NewportBarGuy: How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?


Because CVS requires a minimum level of intelligence.
 
2013-04-11 12:34:18 PM

lucksi: Is there any country where I can get some freedom FROM religion?


The United States.... technically ...
 
2013-04-11 12:36:42 PM

Hickory-smoked: That seems odd. Maybe it depends on where you are, but in my experience of the region, asking a guest in your home about religion or politics is only slightly less rude than shiatting in their handbag.


That's true in the US, where we are accustomed to living side-by-side with people who may have radically different views than we do.

But in many other countries, polite curiosity about a guest is a sign of respect. And in a country where most people never encounter someone from another religion, their curiosity is natural.

And, of course, there are always intellectuals in every place who are fascinated by ideas, and don't take things so personally, so they enjoy a good debate about something over a meal or a beer.

Never been to Morocco, but the Moroccan's I met in Spain seemed like pretty courteous people by nature.
 
2013-04-11 12:50:23 PM

UNC_Samurai: Pants full of macaroni!!: Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?

They were athier than just about anybody!

ohlookit'sthisshiatagain.jpg


That's all well and good, but my lame-ass comment was directed at his misspelling.
 
2013-04-11 12:52:34 PM
She looks like Gary Busey in drag.
 
2013-04-11 12:53:15 PM
Islam = Terror

learn how to pray while you kneel if you don't understand
 
2013-04-11 12:58:12 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Islam = Terror

learn how to pray while you kneel if you don't understand


Is that supposed to be an argument in favor of making Christianity an official state religion? Because that is what this woman wishes to do.
 
2013-04-11 01:01:00 PM

Silverstaff: jso2897: He's trying to establish, I think, that if government is silent on the subject of religion, it is violating the first amendment, because atheism is a religion, or something. I don't know, because he won't say.

No I'm not.  I NEVER said that.  Where did I say that?  In any post I've ever made on Fark?  Try reading my posts instead of just assuming I'm some fundamentalist strawman to knock down.

I think the government should be completely silent on the issue of religion.  We have the Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause and No Religious Test clauses in the US Constitution for a reason.

If it was actively saying there was no God, and that people shouldn't believe in God and are wrong to do so, and making it so that it was official government policy that people who believed in God were deluded and mentally ill, then it would be endorsing Atheism.

All I've been saying this whole thread is that Atheism is a religion, because it has adopted the trappings of it.  From trying to evangelize others to your beliefs about God while holding that they are inherently wrong for believing what the do, to using symbols to sum up your beliefs, to having books that belief, to holding public meetings about that belief, to holding ceremonies and rites related to that belief.  That isn't just not believing in God, that's a whole lifestyle and belief system advocating that not only is there not a God, that nobody should believe in Him and that must be spread.


I don't care if you want to call atheism a religion. I've been saying that this whole thread. Saying atheism is a religion is not an argument against the state remaining silent on the subject of religion. It is not an argument in favor of passing the sort of laws this woman wishes to pass. That is all.
 
2013-04-11 01:01:59 PM

madgonad: So you would consider that Apple Inc is a religion then?

-trying to evangelize other? check
-believing that others are inherently wrong? check
-using symbols to sum up beliefs? check
-public meetings? check
-ceremonies and rites, like the annual line-up outside the Apple store? check

As an added bonus - Apple also passes around the collection plate and has a central god-like leader.


According to DoodleGod -  Apple+computer=religion
 
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