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2013-04-11 08:22:31 AM  

jso2897: HotWingConspiracy: Silverstaff: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck. You've got symbols, texts defining your beliefs, places where you congregate to share your beliefs, groups of people of like belief who gather together out of this belief, rites and rituals performed by these people in these places, and symbols to define and publicly proclaim your beliefs with, and have even had violent militants.

I don't engage in any of this and I'm an atheist.

Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

Evidence like a comedian performing an "unbaptism".

Well, suppose it is. Are you asking that public officials should get up before a public assembly and affirmatively state that there is no god? Is anybody asking for that?


I'm not asking anyone for anything.
 
2013-04-11 08:23:39 AM  

Silverstaff: neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.

Now the intolerant Atheist derp starts.

Okay, you know, I used to think that Atheists weren't religious, that they just didn't care about religion.

Then they start showing as much hatred and intolerance of others as many religions (like your "Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks" bit.

Then you start adding in ceremonies and rites, like unbaptism: Bill Maher performing an unbaptism

Then you start having church services and congregations of an Atheist Church: Sunday Assembly

Then you start writing books about how you're the only correct belief system and that everyone else is deluded and mentally ill and are mentally inferior to your belief system: The God Delusion

They even have had organized militant members, devoted to extermination of the worshipers of other beliefs: League of Militant Atheists

They have even adopted symbols to define their belief system:
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Sorry, Atheists, collectively, have derped out and created a full-bore religious belief system around denying religion, complete with congregations and worship services, dogmatic texts, symbols and rites/rituals.

If it walks like a duck, qu ...


Welcome to America, where I don't have to like your stone age, ignorant, bone in your nose, primitive ass. I just have to let you be a stone aged, ignorant, bone in your nose, primitive ass. Which I'm fine with. The difference is that, unlike the jesusy folks, "fundamentalist atheists" aren't trying to suborn the constitution and institute a state religion.

Call me when your anti-christian christians stop trying to institute a christian tyranny.
 
2013-04-11 08:24:56 AM  

ph0rk: Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

It appears more likely that the belief that atheism is a religion is itself a religion.


Why even argue the point? I'm content to allow others to tell themselves whatever story regarding my faith or lack thereof that gives them comfort. It doesn't actually change anything, you know.
 
2013-04-11 08:25:26 AM  

jso2897: lewismarktwo: jso2897: lewismarktwo: jso2897: neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".

No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.

Smart atheists know when someone is baiting them, but I forgive you, just like Jesus Christ will forgive your sins if you accept him into your heart.

Well, I'm no master baiter, that's for sure. But the last I heard from Jesus, he told his followers to go practice their religion in private - so I have to assume that anyone who publicly trumpets that they are a "Christian" isn't a very good one.
By the way - your remarks indicate that you think I am an "atheist" (whatever that means) - is there some reason you think that? Or is it just an assumption you make abouit anyone who is amused by the spectacle of so-called "Christians" waving their alleged faith around in public like some flasher waving his dick?

So you're not smarter than me?

I try to assume that everybody else is smarter than I am - it's safer that way. No one has ever screwed up by overestimating the intelligence of a potential competitor.
Anyway - does it really matter? All we are really talking about here is a silly woman who thinks it's acceptable to try to set up an official state religion - do you have a position on this, or did you simply come into the thread to inform the rest of us that we are great big poopy-heads? Frankly, I'm already well aware that I am a great big poopy-head, and don't care.


Oh, OK.
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2013-04-11 08:25:59 AM  

The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .


Or a Christian version of the Taliban.
 
2013-04-11 08:26:26 AM  

dickfreckle: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

Some Farker once said that atheism is a religion in the same way that NOT collecting stamps is a hobby.


I completely agree that there are a good number of people - I'm willing to bet the overwhelming majority are teenagers in the midst of their "you can't tell me what to do" phase, because I certainly went through it - that are the r/atheism type that think it's all about telling someone off on their Facebook page because they posted something with the word "blessed".  Or waiting for the moment when they sneeze, someone says "bless you", and they use that as their casus belli to go on an anti-religious rant.

I get severely annoyed by those people.  But those people aren't the ones that are trying to pass laws that make people's lives worse off.

I'm a realist.  My mother was an ordained minister, Disciples of Christ.  Perhaps it's because they weren't fire-eating Baptists or guilt-laden Catholics that I've never really had a problem with the existence of Christians.  They're always going to be there, and there's always a chance someone might want to say Grace before dinner.  I just quietly sit there and let them have their moment, while I make sure the proper amount of butter is on my hushpuppy.  I just want to make sure they aren't doing anything that infringes upon my rights or those of everyone else - like not being able to buy beer before noon on Sunday, or making sure responsible sex education is taught in our school system, or repealing a bullshiat amendment to the state constitution prohibiting certain people from getting married.

The people who look at the "I'm an atheist" attention whores and think they need to take the time to biatch about them before doing something about the actual Dominionists trying to ruin our nice things?  I think that falls into the "I'm glad you've found a way to feel superior to both" category.  And bless their hearts.
 
2013-04-11 08:26:28 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: jso2897: HotWingConspiracy: Silverstaff: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck. You've got symbols, texts defining your beliefs, places where you congregate to share your beliefs, groups of people of like belief who gather together out of this belief, rites and rituals performed by these people in these places, and symbols to define and publicly proclaim your beliefs with, and have even had violent militants.

I don't engage in any of this and I'm an atheist.

Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

Evidence like a comedian performing an "unbaptism".

Well, suppose it is. Are you asking that public officials should get up before a public assembly and affirmatively state that there is no god? Is anybody asking for that?

I'm not asking anyone for anything.


I didn't think so - I was just checking. See, the problem with this lady isn't what she believes - it's that she wants the state to affirmatively certify her personal beliefs as officially correct.
 
2013-04-11 08:26:45 AM  

NewportBarGuy: How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?


They wouldn't qualify. Cashiering is a productive job that requires developing useful skills, thinking & problem solving, operating complex equipment, interpersonal interaction, and self discipline.

Politicians & bureaucrats aren't capable of those things; it's why they're politicians & bureaucrats.

See, one of our nation's greatest strengths is that we take the stupidest, most useless people around, and not only give them jobs, but also put them in charge.
 
2013-04-11 08:27:02 AM  

jso2897: ph0rk: Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

It appears more likely that the belief that atheism is a religion is itself a religion.

Why even argue the point? I'm content to allow others to tell themselves whatever story regarding my faith or lack thereof that gives them comfort. It doesn't actually change anything, you know.


On Fark? Because Fark. In Real Life(tm), "atheism is a religion" is only a poorly digested talking point, and if you press them on it most folks will give it up.
 
2013-04-11 08:27:12 AM  

Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion


Is your surname Letrole, by any chance?
 
2013-04-11 08:28:06 AM  
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2013-04-11 08:29:07 AM  

Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]


Hahaha .. oh wow.. I didn't notice some Christian had made this joke much funnier... nice!
 
2013-04-11 08:29:32 AM  

Angry Buddha: berylman: She's still not as vile as representative Virginia Foxx.

Oh come on! That's a porn star, not an elected official.


I'm loling because a girl I went to high school with does porn under the stage name Chloe Foxxx.

Yes, you can find her videos on Redtube.
 
2013-04-11 08:29:36 AM  

jso2897: Joe Blowme: The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .

And yet you still wonder why all sane people see islam as bigoted and dangerous. Would it be bigoted to hate the rules of Rwanda? Best Korea? Pol Pot? Stalin? ect... Hating evil is not bigoted, tolerating it is a crime.

I'm not sure how the justification, or lack thereof, for anyone's feelings regarding some religion or other relates to the issue of whether it is legitimate to try to institute an official state religion.
Are you arguing that that's OK if the religion in quetsion is a "nice" religion, but not if it's a "nasty" one? Would it be OK to institute Zen Buddhism as the official state religion? I'm not following you.


Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.
 
2013-04-11 08:30:38 AM  

ph0rk: jso2897: ph0rk: Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

It appears more likely that the belief that atheism is a religion is itself a religion.

Why even argue the point? I'm content to allow others to tell themselves whatever story regarding my faith or lack thereof that gives them comfort. It doesn't actually change anything, you know.

On Fark? Because Fark. In Real Life(tm), "atheism is a religion" is only a poorly digested talking point, and if you press them on it most folks will give it up.


I'm not required to correct every foolish thing some fool believs, especially when it's not germain to the point under discussion. I don't want the leader of , say, my city council to start every session by proclaiming that there is no god, and that religion is bunk - nor do I want him leading it off with a prayer to some god or other - and that's the issue raised by TFA.
 
2013-04-11 08:30:41 AM  

jso2897: I didn't think so - I was just checking. See, the problem with this lady isn't what she believes - it's that she wants the state to affirmatively certify her personal beliefs as officially correct


Also a belief - she doesn't just believe in God, Jesus, and the other stuff, but rather that it is her responsibility to encrust that in the local government.

If no one has mentioned it before, the whole kerfluffle started over Christian prayer before Rowan county government meetings, which lead to an ACLU lawsuit. The bill is more of an end run around the lawsuit than attempt to set a state religion for NC. (Not that some wouldn't like a state religion).
 
2013-04-11 08:32:45 AM  

log_jammin: The bill, which was drafted by state Reps. Carl Ford (R-China Grove)

The people of the town are strange
And they're proud of where they came.


Whoa ho, Rep. Carl Ford!
 
2013-04-11 08:32:54 AM  

Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]


So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?
 
2013-04-11 08:33:28 AM  
Another stupid Christian Republican. But I repeat myself.
 
2013-04-11 08:34:06 AM  

jso2897: I'm not required to correct every foolish thing some fool believs, especially when it's not germain to the point under discussion. I don't want the leader of , say, my city council to start every session by proclaiming that there is no god, and that religion is bunk - nor do I want him leading it off with a prayer to some god or other - and that's the issue raised by TFA.


Sure, context matters. The nice thing is you can always just go with "ok, fine. you think it is a religion. Aren't those, like, protected by the Constitution or something?" And wait for the sputtering to begin.

Won't help in cases like this with an elected official, but little you can actually say will help here. You? We - this is my state too.
 
2013-04-11 08:34:17 AM  

Joe Blowme: jso2897: Joe Blowme: The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .

And yet you still wonder why all sane people see islam as bigoted and dangerous. Would it be bigoted to hate the rules of Rwanda? Best Korea? Pol Pot? Stalin? ect... Hating evil is not bigoted, tolerating it is a crime.

I'm not sure how the justification, or lack thereof, for anyone's feelings regarding some religion or other relates to the issue of whether it is legitimate to try to institute an official state religion.
Are you arguing that that's OK if the religion in quetsion is a "nice" religion, but not if it's a "nasty" one? Would it be OK to institute Zen Buddhism as the official state religion? I'm not following you.

Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.


It's OK to say anything you want on Fark, last time I checked, with the exception of using certain descriptive terms. Doesn't mean people are going to agree with you - and if you are going to get butthurt when you discover that your's is not the majority opinion, you may be a little to delicate for Fark.com.
 
2013-04-11 08:35:24 AM  

ph0rk: Gig103: scottydoesntknow: The only "religious freedom" you want is the freedom to get rid of every other religion except yours, you coont.

Well said. Sad that she doesn't even see the irony in saying we need to protect religious freedom in the same breath she is condemning a religion.  How is it that our Founding Fathers were so on-the-ball about this stuff but we've regressed into stupid Christian bullshiat?

The short answer: Gerrymandering.

The longer answer: something about democracy, wolves, sheep, bread, and circuses.


I think a good bit of it has to do with the fact that the men who founded our country did so before the Second Great Awakening.  The First one really put an emphasis on egalitarianism and was very anti-hierarchical.  The Second Great Awakening really got going after the Constitution had been written.  This was the one that swept through the South and developed the region's strong ties to a handful of Protestant denominations.  The Second Great Awakening also had postmillennialism at its core - a belief that the End Times™ were a-comin', and you had to not only get yourself right, but get society right.  It's no coincidence that this is also when Southerners start defending their "peculiar institution" using the argument about slavery being in the Bible.
 
2013-04-11 08:35:32 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?


They were athier than just about anybody!
 
2013-04-11 08:35:35 AM  
I tried to read through the comments on this one but it is too early and they are too random.

There really is not much more to say than this woman is an idiot but she represents her district which is probably also made up of xenophobic idiots also.
 
2013-04-11 08:36:34 AM  

ph0rk: jso2897: I'm not required to correct every foolish thing some fool believs, especially when it's not germain to the point under discussion. I don't want the leader of , say, my city council to start every session by proclaiming that there is no god, and that religion is bunk - nor do I want him leading it off with a prayer to some god or other - and that's the issue raised by TFA.

Sure, context matters. The nice thing is you can always just go with "ok, fine. you think it is a religion. Aren't those, like, protected by the Constitution or something?" And wait for the sputtering to begin.

Won't help in cases like this with an elected official, but little you can actually say will help here. You? We - this is my state too.


No it isn't. I live in California - on the coast, where this kind of shenanigan is rare. They go pretty light on the official religion stuff out here.
 
2013-04-11 08:36:35 AM  

UNC_Samurai: The people who look at the "I'm an atheist" attention whores and think they need to take the time to biatch about them before doing something about the actual Dominionists trying to ruin our nice things?  I think that falls into the "I'm glad you've found a way to feel superior to both" category.  And bless their hearts.


To be honest I get the impression more of them are basically running the tactic "Both Sides Are Bad So Legislate Christianity".
 
2013-04-11 08:36:53 AM  

Joe Blowme: Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.


Did that actually make sense inside your head when you posted it?
 
2013-04-11 08:37:45 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?


They were extremists and some of them may have been Atheist (Marx was definitely not an Atheist) but they were not Atheist extremists. Their actions were not a result of extreme in atheism (which is  not really a thing anyway the same as a number more zero than zero isn't a thing) and their goals were not to spread atheism.
 
2013-04-11 08:38:56 AM  

UNC_Samurai: I think a good bit of it has to do with the fact that the men who founded our country did so before the Second Great Awakening.  The First one really put an emphasis on egalitarianism and was very anti-hierarchical.  The Second Great Awakening really got going after the Constitution had been written.  This was the one that swept through the South and developed the region's strong ties to a handful of Protestant denominations.  The Second Great Awakening also had postmillennialism at its core - a belief that the End Times™ were a-comin', and you had to not only get yourself right, but get society right.  It's no coincidence that this is also when Southerners start defending their "peculiar institution" using the argument about slavery being in the Bible.


All part of the delicate multilayered derpcake that is the history of the Southern psyche.
 
2013-04-11 08:40:08 AM  

jso2897: Joe Blowme: jso2897: Joe Blowme: The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .

And yet you still wonder why all sane people see islam as bigoted and dangerous. Would it be bigoted to hate the rules of Rwanda? Best Korea? Pol Pot? Stalin? ect... Hating evil is not bigoted, tolerating it is a crime.

I'm not sure how the justification, or lack thereof, for anyone's feelings regarding some religion or other relates to the issue of whether it is legitimate to try to institute an official state religion.
Are you arguing that that's OK if the religion in quetsion is a "nice" religion, but not if it's a "nasty" one? Would it be OK to institute Zen Buddhism as the official state religion? I'm not following you.

Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.

It's OK to say anything you want on Fark, last time I checked, with the exception of using certain descriptive terms. Doesn't mean people are going to agree with you - and if you are going to get butthurt when you discover that your's is not the majority opinion, you may be a little to delicate for Fark.com.


LOL, i am a delicate flower. Would you suggest diaper rash ointment?
 
2013-04-11 08:40:58 AM  

UNC_Samurai: neongoats: TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.

And the only thing more annoying than either of them are people who mistake "you can't systematically use government to force your religion on people" as "atheists forcing their beliefs on poor innocent jesusy folks"

Congrats.

I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together at Osama's Homobortion Pot-n-Commie Jizzporium.


Now there is a holiday I can get behind. I'll bring cake.
 
2013-04-11 08:41:07 AM  

ph0rk: jso2897: I didn't think so - I was just checking. See, the problem with this lady isn't what she believes - it's that she wants the state to affirmatively certify her personal beliefs as officially correct

Also a belief - she doesn't just believe in God, Jesus, and the other stuff, but rather that it is her responsibility to encrust that in the local government.

If no one has mentioned it before, the whole kerfluffle started over Christian prayer before Rowan county government meetings, which lead to an ACLU lawsuit. The bill is more of an end run around the lawsuit than attempt to set a state religion for NC. (Not that some wouldn't like a state religion).


Their problem in the General Assembly is, we realized something when Speaker Tillis kept having to say, "Sorry, that bill is dead, it won't be even going to a committee," to these whackjob bills the rural mouth-breathers keep filing.  We know full well that the state's Republican Leadership is capable of recognizing several members of their party have gone off the deep end, but they're not doing a damn thing to stop it at the source.  They're letting these bills see enough daylight that it's making our state a laughingstock.  So just think when you hear them go into damage control mode, they're worse than the chumps from Rowan County because they recognize the stupidity but are either too lazy to completely quash it or they only care when it's bad PR specifically for them.
 
2013-04-11 08:41:57 AM  

jso2897: ph0rk: jso2897: I'm not required to correct every foolish thing some fool believs, especially when it's not germain to the point under discussion. I don't want the leader of , say, my city council to start every session by proclaiming that there is no god, and that religion is bunk - nor do I want him leading it off with a prayer to some god or other - and that's the issue raised by TFA.

Sure, context matters. The nice thing is you can always just go with "ok, fine. you think it is a religion. Aren't those, like, protected by the Constitution or something?" And wait for the sputtering to begin.

Won't help in cases like this with an elected official, but little you can actually say will help here. You? We - this is my state too.

No it isn't. I live in California - on the coast, where this kind of shenanigan is rare. They go pretty light on the official religion stuff out here.


Fine, your profile was nonspecific. My point is this is pretty close to home, so your hypothetical is our reality. And really, there isn't a damned thing I can do about Rowan county or Burnsville.
 
2013-04-11 08:42:21 AM  

Biological Ali: Joe Blowme: Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.

Did that actually make sense inside your head when you posted it?


Kinda, but i hit "add comment" anyway just to see if you were paying attention
 
2013-04-11 08:42:41 AM  

Joe Blowme: jso2897: Joe Blowme: jso2897: Joe Blowme: The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .

And yet you still wonder why all sane people see islam as bigoted and dangerous. Would it be bigoted to hate the rules of Rwanda? Best Korea? Pol Pot? Stalin? ect... Hating evil is not bigoted, tolerating it is a crime.

I'm not sure how the justification, or lack thereof, for anyone's feelings regarding some religion or other relates to the issue of whether it is legitimate to try to institute an official state religion.
Are you arguing that that's OK if the religion in quetsion is a "nice" religion, but not if it's a "nasty" one? Would it be OK to institute Zen Buddhism as the official state religion? I'm not following you.

Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.

It's OK to say anything you want on Fark, last time I checked, with the exception of using certain descriptive terms. Doesn't mean people are going to agree with you - and if you are going to get butthurt when you discover that your's is not the majority opinion, you may be a little to delicate for Fark.com.

LOL, i am a delicate flower. Would you suggest diaper rash ointment?


I would suggest saying what you think, and not worrying about whether other people like it. If you are confident in the rectitude of your own beliefs, state them and defend them, and don't whine about the fact that your views may prove unpopular.
But it's only a suggestion - by all means, do as you like.
 
2013-04-11 08:44:12 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Their problem in the General Assembly is, we realized something when Speaker Tillis kept having to say, "Sorry, that bill is dead, it won't be even going to a committee," to these whackjob bills the rural mouth-breathers keep filing.  We know full well that the state's Republican Leadership is capable of recognizing several members of their party have gone off the deep end, but they're not doing a damn thing to stop it at the source.  They're letting these bills see enough daylight that it's making our state a laughingstock.  So just think when you hear them go into damage control mode, they're worse than the chumps from Rowan County because they recognize the stupidity but are either too lazy to completely quash it or they only care when it's bad PR specifically for them.


I think the GOP is in a bind in states like this one, they are afraid to deal with the fundamentalist derp directly because of midterm election repercussions. I'm not sure I agree with their strategy, but then I would have divorced myself from the ultra-right wing a decade ago at the latest if I were the GOP leadership.
 
2013-04-11 08:44:40 AM  

UNC_Samurai: ph0rk: jso2897: I didn't think so - I was just checking. See, the problem with this lady isn't what she believes - it's that she wants the state to affirmatively certify her personal beliefs as officially correct

Also a belief - she doesn't just believe in God, Jesus, and the other stuff, but rather that it is her responsibility to encrust that in the local government.

If no one has mentioned it before, the whole kerfluffle started over Christian prayer before Rowan county government meetings, which lead to an ACLU lawsuit. The bill is more of an end run around the lawsuit than attempt to set a state religion for NC. (Not that some wouldn't like a state religion).

Their problem in the General Assembly is, we realized something when Speaker Tillis kept having to say, "Sorry, that bill is dead, it won't be even going to a committee," to these whackjob bills the rural mouth-breathers keep filing.  We know full well that the state's Republican Leadership is capable of recognizing several members of their party have gone off the deep end, but they're not doing a damn thing to stop it at the source.  They're letting these bills see enough daylight that it's making our state a laughingstock.  So just think when you hear them go into damage control mode, they're worse than the chumps from Rowan County because they recognize the stupidity but are either too lazy to completely quash it or they only care when it's bad PR specifically for them.


Sounds like you are describing congress... both sides
 
2013-04-11 08:46:07 AM  
Being a fiscial conservatice and a social moderate, I really know that I have no representation out there. Every other person is like this farking nitwit.
 
2013-04-11 08:47:03 AM  

ph0rk: jso2897: ph0rk: jso2897: I'm not required to correct every foolish thing some fool believs, especially when it's not germain to the point under discussion. I don't want the leader of , say, my city council to start every session by proclaiming that there is no god, and that religion is bunk - nor do I want him leading it off with a prayer to some god or other - and that's the issue raised by TFA.

Sure, context matters. The nice thing is you can always just go with "ok, fine. you think it is a religion. Aren't those, like, protected by the Constitution or something?" And wait for the sputtering to begin.

Won't help in cases like this with an elected official, but little you can actually say will help here. You? We - this is my state too.

No it isn't. I live in California - on the coast, where this kind of shenanigan is rare. They go pretty light on the official religion stuff out here.

Fine, your profile was nonspecific. My point is this is pretty close to home, so your hypothetical is our reality. And really, there isn't a damned thing I can do about Rowan county or Burnsville.


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2013-04-11 08:47:16 AM  

Egoy3k: Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?

They were extremists and some of them may have been Atheist (Marx was definitely not an Atheist) but they were not Atheist extremists. Their actions were not a result of extreme in atheism (which is  not really a thing anyway the same as a number more zero than zero isn't a thing) and their goals were not to spread atheism.


I'm not being a troll here, just ignorant. I thought one of the goals of communism was to create a society with out God. If I'm wrong please enlighten me.
 
2013-04-11 08:47:20 AM  

jso2897: Joe Blowme: jso2897: Joe Blowme: jso2897: Joe Blowme: The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .

And yet you still wonder why all sane people see islam as bigoted and dangerous. Would it be bigoted to hate the rules of Rwanda? Best Korea? Pol Pot? Stalin? ect... Hating evil is not bigoted, tolerating it is a crime.

I'm not sure how the justification, or lack thereof, for anyone's feelings regarding some religion or other relates to the issue of whether it is legitimate to try to institute an official state religion.
Are you arguing that that's OK if the religion in quetsion is a "nice" religion, but not if it's a "nasty" one? Would it be OK to institute Zen Buddhism as the official state religion? I'm not following you.

Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.

It's OK to say anything you want on Fark, last time I checked, with the exception of using certain descriptive terms. Doesn't mean people are going to agree with you - and if you are going to get butthurt when you discover that your's is not the majority opinion, you may be a little to delicate for Fark.com.

LOL, i am a delicate flower. Would you suggest diaper rash ointment?

I would suggest saying what you think, and not worrying about whether other people like it. If you are confident in the rectitude of your own beliefs, state them and defend them, and don't .
But it's only a suggestion - by all means, do as you like.


Thanks, but i dont recall "whine about the fact that your views may prove unpopular"  but to you it may have seemed that way, sorry for the confusion
 
2013-04-11 08:47:30 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?


Why should I?

Once again: Atheism means the absence of a belief in God it can be used to refer to Joseph Stalin and Larry Adler

You're thinking of anti-theism as evidenced by the anti-religious doctrines of the Soviet Union and Communist China

I get that it's a pain for you not to label your "enemy" as a positive movement but the prefix "A" means a lack of something not an actual thing.
 
2013-04-11 08:47:39 AM  

Joe Blowme: Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical"


No, that isn't true.  Republicans are true evil.
 
2013-04-11 08:48:57 AM  

TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.


Oh the irony
 
2013-04-11 08:50:22 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?

They were athier than just about anybody!


ohlookit'sthisshiatagain.jpg

Although once again I'm laughing at this line of thinking, because it proves People Who biatch About Marx Do So in Indirect Proportion to How Much Marx They've Read.  Marx fought against the Church of England because of the coercive laws the government passed on its behalf.  You know, like those insipid blue laws we haven't been able to get rid of in the American southeast.  Marx also recognized that religion was often an avenue for the working class to protest working conditions.

Remember, the full quote about opiate of the masses is:


"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

 
2013-04-11 08:50:29 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

Is your surname Letrole, by any chance?


Biological Ali: Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

2/10

Too wordy. You need to trim it down to, at most, two or three snappy sentences. See letrole's work for reference.


Why the  hell is it that when I call atheists on their derp, on their acting like they are religious while doing all the things that religions do, I get called a troll?

No, I'm not a troll.  Yes, that's what I believe.  Yes, there are atheists who aren't full-derp doing these things.  I find it amusing that I can say something, support it with evidence, and be called a troll because I disagree with the atheistic groupthink.

Guess what, sometimes people you disagree with aren't trolls, they just disagree with you, and they aren't doing it to be contrary, it's because they have looked at the information and come to a conclusion you don't like.

There are a lot who are though, in the name of atheism do the same things that many do in the name of religion (intolerance ect.).  If you're going to go around and act like everyone who theistic is inferior to you, you will be treated the same as anyone else who goes full retard with their belief system.
 
2013-04-11 08:51:50 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Egoy3k: Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?

They were extremists and some of them may have been Atheist (Marx was definitely not an Atheist) but they were not Atheist extremists. Their actions were not a result of extreme in atheism (which is  not really a thing anyway the same as a number more zero than zero isn't a thing) and their goals were not to spread atheism.

I'm not being a troll here, just ignorant. I thought one of the goals of communism was to create a society with out God. If I'm wrong please enlighten me.


Some communist regimes have tried to promote atheism, but the things they did to promote atheism have nothing to do with the atrocities that they're known for today.
 
2013-04-11 08:52:15 AM  
Well, now I know what Alton Brown would look like in drag.
 
2013-04-11 08:52:22 AM  

Mrfusticle: I get that it's a pain for you not to label your "enemy" as a positive movement but the prefix "A" means a lack of something not an actual thing.


So much for an intelligent exchange between adults. I tried anyway
 
2013-04-11 08:53:13 AM  

Joe Blowme: Thanks, but i dont recall "whine about the fact that your views may prove unpopular" but to you it may have seemed that way, sorry for the confusion


No apolgies necessary - you don't have to explain yourself to me or anyone else.
Which was kind of my point, you see.
 
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