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2013-04-11 07:55:40 AM  
My religion deserves respect and reverence

Your religion is a vile abomination


/I can't see any problems with that
//Nope, seems fairly straightforward
 
2013-04-11 07:55:52 AM  

UNC_Samurai: neongoats: TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.

And the only thing more annoying than either of them are people who mistake "you can't systematically use government to force your religion on people" as "atheists forcing their beliefs on poor innocent jesusy folks"

Congrats.

I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together at Osama's Homobortion Pot-n-Commie Jizzporium.


That sounds fun, will there be a Festivus pole there?
 
2013-04-11 07:56:10 AM  

TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.


By definition, wouldn't both be exactly, identically as annoying, and for the exact, same reason?
That's always been my take on it.
 
2013-04-11 07:57:07 AM  

TheGregiss: Go through this thread.

Replace "atheist" with "christian" and "christian" with "muslim" and suddenly it looks like your local teaparty meeting.


B b but muh dont like christians and tryin' to feel edgy!
Congrats turd nuggets youve joined the very same club of the people you profess to hate.


I guess it looks like that, if you understand nothing.
 
2013-04-11 07:57:16 AM  
Back on subject:

She is hot stuff!
i.huffpost.com

\Yes, my favourite porn is Necrophillic zoo pissing parties, what of it?
 
2013-04-11 07:58:32 AM  

spyderqueen: I always liked that, for the majority of Japan, their relationship to religion is basically "eh, it's where ritual comes from" and they do the Shinto rituals for birth (and luck) and the Christian ones for marriage and the Buddhist ones for death, but never really think of it past "that thing you do for X event"


Eh. Most westerners who self identify as religious are only in it for the ritual as well, hell I'd go so far as to say most priests, deacons, ministers etc are in it for the ritual rather than a actual belief in a personal god. The thing is they like and even feel that they need the ritual in their life and in order to get it they need to keep up the pretense that they believe in magic.
 
2013-04-11 07:59:13 AM  

jso2897: lewismarktwo: jso2897: neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".

No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.

Smart atheists know when someone is baiting them, but I forgive you, just like Jesus Christ will forgive your sins if you accept him into your heart.

Well, I'm no master baiter, that's for sure. But the last I heard from Jesus, he told his followers to go practice their religion in private - so I have to assume that anyone who publicly trumpets that they are a "Christian" isn't a very good one.
By the way - your remarks indicate that you think I am an "atheist" (whatever that means) - is there some reason you think that? Or is it just an assumption you make abouit anyone who is amused by the spectacle of so-called "Christians" waving their alleged faith around in public like some flasher waving his dick?


So you're not smarter than me?
 
2013-04-11 07:59:56 AM  
Religion is like guns and penises.
It's OK to have one.
It's OK to be proud of it.
Don't whip it out and wave it around at a polling place, a legislature, a school, a bank, the mall, etc. etc.
 
2013-04-11 08:00:50 AM  

eraser8: Mrfusticle: I am SO bored of the "English have bad teeth" stereotype .. at leat we farking have teeth and not a row of brilliantine gravestones that look completely farking creepy.

You Yanks are so obsessed with manufactured beauty..

And, I'm so bored of people confusing insecurity with insight.


That's funny because I'm bored of po-faced internetlectuals who wouldn't know a joke if it spanked their ample behinds
 
2013-04-11 08:01:18 AM  
I will once again point out that this is all smoke and mirrors - they're tossing some absolutely inane ideas out there so the two voting bills won't look bad.

One of the voting bills actually hits more than just dems hard, though - they want to make it so that if your college kid votes where his college is, you can't claim him as a dependant for tax purposes.

The other one is just the old voting ID one, which plenty of people have pointed out is a solution in search of a problem (voting occurring less often than people getting hit by lightning and all)
 
2013-04-11 08:02:31 AM  

Mrfusticle: eraser8: Mrfusticle: I am SO bored of the "English have bad teeth" stereotype .. at leat we farking have teeth and not a row of brilliantine gravestones that look completely farking creepy.

You Yanks are so obsessed with manufactured beauty..

And, I'm so bored of people confusing insecurity with insight.

That's funny because I'm bored of po-faced internetlectuals who wouldn't know a joke if it spanked their ample behinds


I don't care.
 
2013-04-11 08:03:21 AM  

mactheknife: http://igg.me/at/webackmac38/x/2513157

The above link takes you to an Indiegogo fundraiser for my anticipated 2014 campaign seeking election to North Carolina's House of Representatives.  In 2010 the GOP gained a majority in both houses of our state legislature, just in time to gerrymander legislative districts and solidify their position.  Now, as you can see, they're striving to make their ideology our law.

Wherever your views on the political system may lie, I hope you'll agree that no law should be based on someone else's morals.  The type of overreach taking place here undermines faith in our system... and if it can happen here today, it can happen anywhere tomorrow.  So if you're asking yourself "Why should I care?  I don't live in North Carolina," keep in mind that until a very short time ago, this was seen as a solid blue state when it came to state government and elections.  The issues at stake here are all too real, and the time for action - action restoring a practical, pragmatic, forward thinking, common sense approach to government - has come.  It's time for common sense to trump nonsense.

The odds are against me.  My opposition has a huge money advantage, and Republicans outspent Democrats by a 2-to-1+ margin statewide last year.  So anything you could do to help financially would be appreciated.  A contribution would give our effort a tremendous boost, raising the initial funds we'll need to launch a competitive, informative campaign.


I support the majority of your platform, but respectfully disagree about the gasoline tax.  Our highway maintenance budget is such that I don't believe we can afford a revenue decrease in the near future.  I-95 is really bad in some places, and parts of I-40 are the same way.  I would say it might have been possible had Easley not pillaged the Highway Fund, but we are all going to be paying for his mistakes for years to come.

neongoats: UNC_Samurai: neongoats: TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.

And the only thing more annoying than either of them are people who mistake "you can't systematically use government to force your religion on people" as "atheists forcing their beliefs on poor innocent jesusy folks"

Congrats.

I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together at Osama's Homobortion Pot-n-Commie Jizzporium.

That sounds fun, will there be a Festivus pole there?


Oddly enough, yes - the mod that helps run the Farktography contests has a Festivus pole.  Optimized for strength-to-weight ratio and everything.
 
2013-04-11 08:03:33 AM  
I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .
 
2013-04-11 08:04:59 AM  

lewismarktwo: jso2897: lewismarktwo: jso2897: neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".

No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.

Smart atheists know when someone is baiting them, but I forgive you, just like Jesus Christ will forgive your sins if you accept him into your heart.

Well, I'm no master baiter, that's for sure. But the last I heard from Jesus, he told his followers to go practice their religion in private - so I have to assume that anyone who publicly trumpets that they are a "Christian" isn't a very good one.
By the way - your remarks indicate that you think I am an "atheist" (whatever that means) - is there some reason you think that? Or is it just an assumption you make abouit anyone who is amused by the spectacle of so-called "Christians" waving their alleged faith around in public like some flasher waving his dick?

So you're not smarter than me?


I try to assume that everybody else is smarter than I am - it's safer that way. No one has ever screwed up by overestimating the intelligence of a potential competitor.
Anyway - does it really matter? All we are really talking about here is a silly woman who thinks it's acceptable to try to set up an official state religion - do you have a position on this, or did you simply come into the thread to inform the rest of us that we are great big poopy-heads? Frankly, I'm already well aware that I am a great big poopy-head, and don't care.
 
2013-04-11 08:05:12 AM  

Langdon_777: Joce678: What do we expect from a government who recently adopted "In God we trust" as a motto?

Is anybody under any illusion about which deity they were thinking of when they adopted that?

Lucifer?


If you put "God" on a currency, surely it is natural to assume the God referred to is Mammon?
 
2013-04-11 08:05:36 AM  

Lorelle: Nadie_AZ: If the Republican Party hopes to reach out to minority groups, it must clearly and forcefully repudiate such bigoted comments by its representatives," the group's National Legislative Director Corey Saylor said in a statement.

I'm just not seeing this happen.

It won't, mainly because bigotry is one of the ISLAMS core values.


FTFY
 
2013-04-11 08:05:57 AM  

zarberg: I will once again point out that this is all smoke and mirrors - they're tossing some absolutely inane ideas out there so the two voting bills won't look bad.

One of the voting bills actually hits more than just dems hard, though - they want to make it so that if your college kid votes where his college is, you can't claim him as a dependant for tax purposes.

The other one is just the old voting ID one, which plenty of people have pointed out is a solution in search of a problem (voting occurring less often than people getting hit by lightning and all)


What frightens me is, Howard Manning isn't going to be around forever; and when the times comes that he leaves his office, we're not guaranteed to have a Superior Court that will shoot down stupidity when someone inevitably sues over this.
 
2013-04-11 08:07:29 AM  
A democracy wherein you are given a choice between an educated authoritarian and an uneducated authoritarian is not a democracy.

I keep seeing people saying really stupid things, and most of them are elected Republicans. It's enough to destroy one's confidence in democratic governance.
 
2013-04-11 08:07:29 AM  

vudukungfu: Religion is like guns and penises.
It's OK to have one.
It's OK to be proud of it.
Don't whip it out and wave it around at a polling place, a legislature, a school, a bank, the mall, etc. etc.


Fark atheists™ take note as this applies to you.
 
2013-04-11 08:07:58 AM  

The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .


And yet you still wonder why all sane people see islam as bigoted and dangerous. Would it be bigoted to hate the rules of Rwanda? Best Korea? Pol Pot? Stalin? ect... Hating evil is not bigoted, tolerating it is a crime.
 
2013-04-11 08:08:09 AM  

neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.


Now the intolerant Atheist derp starts.

Okay, you know, I used to think that Atheists weren't religious, that they just didn't care about religion.

Then they start showing as much hatred and intolerance of others as many religions (like your "Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks" bit.

Then you start adding in ceremonies and rites, like unbaptism: Bill Maher performing an unbaptism

Then you start having church services and congregations of an Atheist Church: Sunday Assembly

Then you start writing books about how you're the only correct belief system and that everyone else is deluded and mentally ill and are mentally inferior to your belief system: The God Delusion

They even have had organized militant members, devoted to extermination of the worshipers of other beliefs: League of Militant Atheists

They have even adopted symbols to define their belief system:
www.religioustolerance.orgwww.religioustolerance.orgtuftsfreethought.orgecx.images-amazon.com

Sorry, Atheists, collectively, have derped out and created a full-bore religious belief system around denying religion, complete with congregations and worship services, dogmatic texts, symbols and rites/rituals.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck.  You've got symbols, texts defining your beliefs, places where you congregate to share your beliefs, groups of people of like belief who gather together out of this belief, rites and rituals performed by these people in these places, and symbols to define and publicly proclaim your beliefs with, and have even had violent militants.

If it sounds like a religion, talks like a religion, and acts like a religion, it's a religion.

Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion
 
2013-04-11 08:08:37 AM  

Gunslinger013: spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion.  I don't think any atheist will admit that.
Just like not collecting stamps is a hobbit.



FTFY
 
2013-04-11 08:09:09 AM  

xria: Langdon_777: Joce678: What do we expect from a government who recently adopted "In God we trust" as a motto?

Is anybody under any illusion about which deity they were thinking of when they adopted that?

Lucifer?

If you put "God" on a currency, surely it is natural to assume the God referred to is Mammon?


Please.

The vast majority of conservatives and Republicans have been worshipping Mammon for years.  Blatantly, too:

wonkette.com

/sadly, all our attempts at regulation are like the Ruby Knife; we have no way of stopping the Mammon machine
 
2013-04-11 08:10:24 AM  

xria: Langdon_777: Joce678: What do we expect from a government who recently adopted "In God we trust" as a motto?

Is anybody under any illusion about which deity they were thinking of when they adopted that?

Lucifer?

If you put "God" on a currency, surely it is natural to assume the God referred to is Mammon?


I stand correct. Lucifer always stood for freedom from authoritarian oppression.
 
2013-04-11 08:11:00 AM  
*corrected :p

Damn drunk farking.
 
2013-04-11 08:11:14 AM  

TheGregiss: Go through this thread.

Replace "atheist" with "christian" and "christian" with "muslim" and suddenly it looks like your local teaparty meeting.


B b but muh dont like christians and tryin' to feel edgy!
Congrats turd nuggets youve joined the very same club of the people you profess to hate.


Are you literally retarded, or just trolling?
 
2013-04-11 08:11:24 AM  
So few people understand what freedom of religion really means
 
2013-04-11 08:11:34 AM  

Egoy3k: spyderqueen: I always liked that, for the majority of Japan, their relationship to religion is basically "eh, it's where ritual comes from" and they do the Shinto rituals for birth (and luck) and the Christian ones for marriage and the Buddhist ones for death, but never really think of it past "that thing you do for X event"

Eh. Most westerners who self identify as religious are only in it for the ritual as well, hell I'd go so far as to say most priests, deacons, ministers etc are in it for the ritual rather than a actual belief in a personal god. The thing is they like and even feel that they need the ritual in their life and in order to get it they need to keep up the pretense that they believe in magic.



But even a lot of those Easter and Christmas Christians get bent out of shape when a politician says "Oh noes! We're being oppressed."  There's a lot less of that in Japan, where Shinto HAD been opressed.
 
2013-04-11 08:11:45 AM  

Silverstaff: neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.

Now the intolerant Atheist derp starts.

Okay, you know, I used to think that Atheists weren't religious, that they just didn't care about religion.



a·the·ismnoun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no GodI must have missed the definition where it says it's some sort of club
 
2013-04-11 08:12:24 AM  

Joe Blowme: The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .

And yet you still wonder why all sane people see islam as bigoted and dangerous. Would it be bigoted to hate the rules of Rwanda? Best Korea? Pol Pot? Stalin? ect... Hating evil is not bigoted, tolerating it is a crime.


I'm not sure how the justification, or lack thereof, for anyone's feelings regarding some religion or other relates to the issue of whether it is legitimate to try to institute an official state religion.
Are you arguing that that's OK if the religion in quetsion is a "nice" religion, but not if it's a "nasty" one? Would it be OK to institute Zen Buddhism as the official state religion? I'm not following you.
 
2013-04-11 08:12:45 AM  
Balls.. that what some html fail
 
2013-04-11 08:14:38 AM  

Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.


Some Farker once said that atheism is a religion in the same way that NOT collecting stamps is a hobby.
 
2013-04-11 08:14:58 AM  

Silverstaff: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck. You've got symbols, texts defining your beliefs, places where you congregate to share your beliefs, groups of people of like belief who gather together out of this belief, rites and rituals performed by these people in these places, and symbols to define and publicly proclaim your beliefs with, and have even had violent militants.


I don't engage in any of this and I'm an atheist.

Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

Evidence like a comedian performing an "unbaptism".
 
2013-04-11 08:15:03 AM  

Silverstaff: Then you start writing books about how you're the only correct belief system and that everyone else is deluded and mentally ill and are mentally inferior to your belief system: The God Delusion


Either you haven't read the God Delusion or you didn't comprehend it.
 
2013-04-11 08:15:52 AM  
A bit surprising that everyone seems to be swallowing the story as written.  Did no one else notice the general lack of quality / giant slant on the page's linked  articles?
 
2013-04-11 08:16:12 AM  

Mrfusticle: Silverstaff: neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.

Now the intolerant Atheist derp starts.

Okay, you know, I used to think that Atheists weren't religious, that they just didn't care about religion.


a·the·ismnoun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no GodI must have missed the definition where it says it's some sort of club


Being a former church goer I can safely say youre having a collective circle jerk about your beliefs.

which is essentially a religious gathering. Congrats guys, when do we pass the offering plate and have the potluck?
 
2013-04-11 08:16:14 AM  

Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion


2/10

Too wordy. You need to trim it down to, at most, two or three snappy sentences. See letrole's work for reference.
 
2013-04-11 08:16:22 AM  

Joe Blowme: Lorelle: Nadie_AZ: If the Republican Party hopes to reach out to minority groups, it must clearly and forcefully repudiate such bigoted comments by its representatives," the group's National Legislative Director Corey Saylor said in a statement.

I'm just not seeing this happen.

It won't, mainly because bigotry is one of the  ISLAMS core values of every major Abrahamic religion.

FTFY


FTFY
 
2013-04-11 08:16:39 AM  

spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion.  I don't think any atheist will admit that.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-11 08:18:01 AM  

Biological Ali: TheGregiss: Go through this thread.

Replace "atheist" with "christian" and "christian" with "muslim" and suddenly it looks like your local teaparty meeting.


B b but muh dont like christians and tryin' to feel edgy!
Congrats turd nuggets youve joined the very same club of the people you profess to hate.

Are you literally retarded, or just trolling?


Pushing a religion into the government is exactly just as bad as someone being a smartass on a message forum.

Actually, no. The message forum guy is a thousand times worse!

Somehow.


Anyway, it is just easier to say that both sides are bad as a way of hiding from real discussion.
 
2013-04-11 08:18:23 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Silverstaff: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck. You've got symbols, texts defining your beliefs, places where you congregate to share your beliefs, groups of people of like belief who gather together out of this belief, rites and rituals performed by these people in these places, and symbols to define and publicly proclaim your beliefs with, and have even had violent militants.

I don't engage in any of this and I'm an atheist.

Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

Evidence like a comedian performing an "unbaptism".


Well, suppose it is. Are you asking that public officials should get up before a public assembly and affirmatively state that there is no god? Is anybody asking for that?
 
2013-04-11 08:18:44 AM  

TheGregiss: Mrfusticle: Silverstaff: neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.

Now the intolerant Atheist derp starts.

Okay, you know, I used to think that Atheists weren't religious, that they just didn't care about religion.


a·the·ismnoun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no GodI must have missed the definition where it says it's some sort of club

Being a former church goer I can safely say youre having a collective circle jerk about your beliefs.

which is essentially a religious gathering. Congrats guys, when do we pass the offering plate and have the potluck?


My point was that it doesn't matter how many examples of anti-theism you dredge up that doesn't make atheism change it's meaning.

/wurdz are hard
 
2013-04-11 08:19:05 AM  
i406.photobucket.com

Michele, you ignorant slut
 
2013-04-11 08:19:19 AM  

TheGregiss: which is essentially a religious gathering.


Sure, much in the same way that my friend's weekly amateur soccer practice sessions are "essentially a religious gathering".
 
2013-04-11 08:19:27 AM  

Gig103: scottydoesntknow: The only "religious freedom" you want is the freedom to get rid of every other religion except yours, you coont.

Well said. Sad that she doesn't even see the irony in saying we need to protect religious freedom in the same breath she is condemning a religion.  How is it that our Founding Fathers were so on-the-ball about this stuff but we've regressed into stupid Christian bullshiat?


The short answer: Gerrymandering.

The longer answer: something about democracy, wolves, sheep, bread, and circuses.
 
2013-04-11 08:19:48 AM  

Silverstaff: They have even adopted symbols to define their belief system:


The Darwin fish was created during the height of the 'teach the controversy' nonsense as a way to show support for science education. It has nothing to do with Atheism. If you think that evolution is an atheist idea then you are dead wrong. It's a scientific fact*.

*Please please please don't be one of those 'It's only a theory' mouth breathers.
 
2013-04-11 08:20:59 AM  

Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion


It appears more likely that the belief that atheism is a religion is itself a religion.
 
2013-04-11 08:21:40 AM  

spyderqueen: I always liked that, for the majority of Japan, their relationship to religion is basically "eh, it's where ritual comes from" and they do the Shinto rituals for birth (and luck) and the Christian ones for marriage and the Buddhist ones for death, but never really think of it past "that thing you do for X event"


That is pretty much how it is for most people in the UK as far as I can tell - for a lot of people churches are places you do christenings, weddings and funerals in (if they aren't too expensive compared to doing them elsewhere), because it is tradition to do so. The actual breakdown is something like 30% of people are Christian (but most don't attend church regularly), 30% categorize themselves as Christian but also non-religious, and 30% claim no religion (the other ~10% is other religions like Muslims, Sikhs, and so on). Of the latter two groups, most would probably consider going to a church for one of the major Christian rituals as normal, in the same way that Christmas/Easter and so on are celebrated largely areligiously nowadays.
 
2013-04-11 08:21:54 AM  

TheGregiss: Go through this thread.

Replace "atheist" with "christian" and "christian" with "muslim" and suddenly it looks like your local teaparty meeting.

Let's try it:


Gig103: Well said. Sad that she doesn't even see the irony in saying we need to protect religious freedom in the same breath she is condemning a religion.  How is it that our Founding Fathers were so on-the-ball about this stuff but we've regressed into stupid Christian Muslim bullshiat?


spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity Islam to be the official state religion.


spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist Christian lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist Christians would have to admit that atheism Christianity is a religion.  I don't think any atheist Christian will admit that.


mamoru: I've lived in and visited a few countries around the world, and so far I have to say that, as an atheist a Christian, Japan has been the most comfortable for my lack of belief. This is having lived in the US (various places all over the east coast), Japan, Morocco, and now Thailand, as well as visiting England, France, Spain, Malaysia, and Indonesia. The only country I've lived in where anyone has made an issue of my lack of belief, trying to "save" me or damning me to hell, was the USA. Even in Morocco, a Muslim country, no one really cared that I was an atheist a Christian. I had several conversations that went something like this:

Moroccan: "Can I ask, are you a ChristianMuslim?"
Me: "Nope. I'm not religious."
Moroccan: "Ever thought about converting to Islam?"
Me: "Nope."
Moroccan: "Do you believe in God?"
Me: "Nope. Sorry." (expecting that it might bother that person)
Moroccan: "Ah, no problem. So... hungry?"
Me: "Sure. I could use something to eat."
Moroccan: "Me, too. Let's go get some food."


Sorry, this just isn't working...

Oh, wait, we've got this gem:

TheGregiss: B b but muh dont like christians muslims and tryin' to feel edgy!
Congrats turd nuggets youve joined the very same club of the people you profess to hate.


Yeah, I kind of get your point... some people are just *ssholes and like to be rude to others.
 
2013-04-11 08:22:14 AM  

TheGregiss: Mrfusticle: Silverstaff: neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.

Now the intolerant Atheist derp starts.

Okay, you know, I used to think that Atheists weren't religious, that they just didn't care about religion.


a·the·ismnoun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no GodI must have missed the definition where it says it's some sort of club

Being a former church goer I can safely say youre having a collective circle jerk about your beliefs.

which is essentially a religious gathering. Congrats guys, when do we pass the offering plate and have the potluck?


Ok - granted, for the sake of argument - so which of them are demanding that the government affirmatively state that there is no god? I've never heard anyone ask for that.
 
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