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(Huffington Post)   North Carolina: "We must lift the ban on religion in public places" Constituent: "So then would you support Islamic prayers being said before meetings?". Legislator: "Of course not, that would be terrorism"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 494
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2013-04-11 07:12:57 AM  

neongoats: This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion



It's like saying bald is a hair style....


Love that one.
 
2013-04-11 07:13:02 AM  
these gems should be put on large well made plaques bolted to the building where the idiot works. protected from the weather and well lit at night. when buildings across America start to sag from the weight of the plaques featuring our fearless leaders stupidity people will catch on that we have to make major changes to the system that allows the mentally deficient to hold public offices.

neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.


I'll pray for you.
 
2013-04-11 07:13:44 AM  
Outreach!
 
2013-04-11 07:14:06 AM  

catmandu: FTA: "The North Carolina measure responds to the ACLU suit by declaring that each state is "sovereign" and no federal court can prevent a state from "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." "

Ummmm, isn't accepting the US Constitution a condition of becoming one of the United States?


It's the latest tack a number of states are trying to push, that the amendments of the Constitution don't apply to the states themselves.
 
2013-04-11 07:14:14 AM  

RobSeace: neongoats: GOPmerica: Where "Freedom of Religion" really only means "freedom to be fundamentalist and jesusy" along with "Freedom for jesusy people to persecute non jesusy people"

And, of course, by "jesusy" they really mean "bearing absolutely no resemblance to Jesus Christ or anything he ever stood for; in fact, almost completely the exact opposite!"...

/If only more so-called Christians actually followed the teachings of Jesus, we'd all be a whole lot better off...


Right. Really all you have to do in any situation is think about what the Dark Lord Sauron would do, and you instantly know what the GOP/fundy brigades feel about it.
 
2013-04-11 07:14:50 AM  

lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.


And you claim this, why?
 
2013-04-11 07:15:51 AM  
I have it on good authority that the baby Jesus was a hook-nosed Arab.
 
2013-04-11 07:16:29 AM  

spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity to be the official state religion.

The clause of the Constitution which, while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity through the United States; and as every sect believes its own form the true one, every one perhaps hoped for his own, but especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists. The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes and they believe that any portion of power confided to me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly.

- Thomas Jefferson
 
2013-04-11 07:16:45 AM  

natas6.0: LordJiro
don't get all whiny on me there, el jay
 they just want the freedom to do their particular kooky dance
If you need another look at what my opinion was
feel free to reread everything after 'I dislike'
or..take yer own advice
b-b-but the amendments!


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The Subjugation of a Ghost

A young wife fell sick and was about to die. "I love you so much," she told her husband, "I do not want to leave you. Do not go from me to any other woman. If you do, I will return as a ghost and cause you endless trouble."
Soon the wife passed away. The husband respected her last wish for the first three months, but then he met another woman and fell in love with her. They became engaged to be married.
Immediately after the engagement a ghost appeared every night to the man, blaming him for not keeping his promise. The ghost was clever too. She told him exactly what had transpired between himself and his new sweetheart. Whenever he gave his fiancee a present, the ghost would describe it in detail. She would even repeat conversations, and it so annoyed the amn that he could not sleep. Someone advised him to take his problem to a Zen master who lived close to the village. At length, in despair, the poor man went to him for help.
"Your former wife became a ghost and knows everything you do, " commented the master. "Whatever you do or say, whatever you give your beloved, she knows. She must be a very wise ghost. Really you should admire such a ghost. The next time she appears, bargain with her. Tell her that she knows so much you can hide nothing from her, and that if she will answer you one question, you promise to break your engagement and remain single."
"What is the question I must ask her?" inquired the man.
The master replied: "Take a large handful of soy beans and ask her exactly how many beans you hold in your hand. If she cannot tell you, you will know that she is only a figment of your imagination and will trouble you no longer."
The next night, when the ghost appeared the man flattered her and told her that she knew everything.
"Indeed," replied the ghost, "and I know you went to see that Zen master today."
"And since you know so much," demanded the man, "tell me how many beans I hold in this hand!"
There was no longer any ghost to answer the question.
 
2013-04-11 07:18:07 AM  

lewismarktwo: NC is now literally half Yankee yuppie scum transplants who go there to get away from things like having to pay workers a decent wage.


"My taxes are so low!! Why is my child's school so shiatty?"

They're not very good at putting two and two together, either.
 
2013-04-11 07:19:20 AM  

keylock71: neongoats: This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion

It's like saying bald is a hair style....

Love that one.


Um, bald is a hair style. Ask Yul Brynner or Telly Savalas.
 
2013-04-11 07:19:44 AM  

lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.


Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".
 
2013-04-11 07:20:46 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Outreach!


That's the hilarious part for me... These farking ass-backwards morons in the GOP just can't help themselves.

"Why won't you terrorist-loving, lazy, shiftless, criminals, who want nothing but handouts and drugs vote for Republicans?"

"...And what's up with these wetbacks? Why won't they support us? Just because we want to deport you en masse and shoot you doesn't mean you can't vote for us!"

"Don't even get me started on the queers wanting 'special ' rights... Those deviants should be flocking to the GOP."


The GOP doesn't get it, and they never will.
 
2013-04-11 07:21:30 AM  

neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".


No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.
 
2013-04-11 07:22:04 AM  

Misch: spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity to be the official state religion.

The clause of the Constitution which, while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity through the United States; and as every sect believes its own form the true one, every one perhaps hoped for his own, but especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists. The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes and they believe that any portion of power confided to me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly. - Thomas Jefferson


So the Founding Fathers did support abortion!
 
2013-04-11 07:22:35 AM  
What do we expect from a government who recently adopted "In God we trust" as a motto?

Is anybody under any illusion about which deity they were thinking of when they adopted that?
 
2013-04-11 07:23:20 AM  

kronicfeld: spongeboob: I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion. I don't think any atheist will admit that.

Is that like "admitting" that rain falls up?


pfft... I would never admit to that. Everyone knows that rain falls sideways!
 
2013-04-11 07:23:25 AM  

digistil: miss diminutive: The fact that this woman is an elected official and has any sort of power or influence at all is incredibly disturbing.

You've obviously never visited the South.


I've passed through several times, never long enough to get a good look at the electoral process.

Based on what I keep reading, it appears they've adopted the "whoever picks the smallest pickle from the jar" method of selection.
 
2013-04-11 07:23:39 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: is she just a regular republican idiot or tea party republican idiot?


LOL it's cute that you think there's a difference.
 
2013-04-11 07:24:59 AM  

lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief.


Um, no it isn't.
 
2013-04-11 07:25:15 AM  

Joce678: Um, bald is a hair style. Ask Yul Brynner or Telly Savalas.


I'm just going to give you a few minutes to think about what you just posted...
 
2013-04-11 07:29:23 AM  

jso2897: The Subjugation of a Ghost


That's the first time I've ever seen this little story. Thanks for that. :)
 
2013-04-11 07:30:29 AM  

Joce678: What do we expect from a government who recently adopted "In God we trust" as a motto?

Is anybody under any illusion about which deity they were thinking of when they adopted that?


I'm trying to think of a religion that embodies the disparate concepts of "detached from humanity", "armchair warrior", "greed", "hate", "hypocrite", "ignorant", and "convinced of their own infallibility", but amazingly, the Christians created for themselves something unique and special in human history.

Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul put together might equate to U.S. fundamentalists. We just need Cyric to slay jesus and take over his portfolio.
 
2013-04-11 07:32:37 AM  
Presnell represents Burnsville, a small, community way up in the mountains of WNC. The whole county is 96.9% white according to the latest census information. I doubt many residents of Yancey County have even seen a Muslim, much less spoken with one.

But basically, Presnell represents these types of backwoods bigoted rednecks quite well.
 
2013-04-11 07:34:15 AM  

Lackofname: spongeboob: Just today I was thinking

If you told the average American that a political candidate's religion was
A middle Eastern religion that believe that all people were evil and that they long. for the day that their deity destroyed the world and the people in it except for their fellow believers, that young children who died would spend eternity being tortured unless they had undergone a magical ritual.

Would the average American vote for that candidate?

Dude, I don't think the average American would even vote for an atheist.


I think the American populace has voted plenty of atheists into office. Just as we've voted into office plenty of gay Republican senators.
 
2013-04-11 07:34:24 AM  

b0rscht: I WILL EAT YOUR FACE

[i.huffpost.com image 570x238]


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-11 07:37:04 AM  

catmandu: FTA: "The North Carolina measure responds to the ACLU suit by declaring that each state is "sovereign" and no federal court can prevent a state from "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." "

Ummmm, isn't accepting the US Constitution a condition of becoming one of the United States?


Since a blah, muslin, Democratic (excuse me, demonrat) president is in charge they feel free to ignore such conditions.
 
2013-04-11 07:38:06 AM  

hinten: You know which country acknowledges Christian religion in their constitutional preamble?
You know which country opts-in its citizen into a Christian church tax via the federal income tax process?
You know which country offers 1h minimum in religion class per week in public schools?


Now ask yourself, which country has more overzealous Christians than the country in the questions above?


Huh? The US has more Jews than Israel. It's a big country. Lots of people.
 
2013-04-11 07:38:21 AM  
Welp, at least he's not a hypocrite.
 
2013-04-11 07:39:00 AM  
Or she even.
 
2013-04-11 07:40:50 AM  

Alphax: And you claim this, why?


Because of the roving gangs of atheists who bust into churches during services, tear the mike out of the pastor's hands and launch into a Henry Rollins-esque diatribe until everyone in the building stops believing in Jesus. They're all over the place, these atheists, forcing other people to listen to them.
 
2013-04-11 07:41:25 AM  

Joce678: What do we expect from a government who recently adopted "In God we trust" as a motto?

Is anybody under any illusion about which deity they were thinking of when they adopted that?


Lucifer?
 
2013-04-11 07:42:56 AM  

jso2897: neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".

No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.


Smart atheists know when someone is baiting them, but I forgive you, just like Jesus Christ will forgive your sins if you accept him into your heart.
 
2013-04-11 07:42:58 AM  

mamoru: lucksi: Is there any country where I can get some freedom FROM religion?

I've lived in and visited a few countries around the world, and so far I have to say that, as an atheist, Japan has been the most comfortable for my lack of belief. This is having lived in the US (various places all over the east coast), Japan, Morocco, and now Thailand, as well as visiting England, France, Spain, Malaysia, and Indonesia. The only country I've lived in where anyone has made an issue of my lack of belief, trying to "save" me or damning me to hell, was the USA. Even in Morocco, a Muslim country, no one really cared that I was an atheist. I had several conversations that went something like this:

Moroccan: "Can I ask, are you a Christian?"
Me: "Nope. I'm not religious."
Moroccan: "Ever thought about converting to Islam?"
Me: "Nope."
Moroccan: "Do you believe in God?"
Me: "Nope. Sorry." (expecting that it might bother that person)
Moroccan: "Ah, no problem. So... hungry?"
Me: "Sure. I could use something to eat."
Moroccan: "Me, too. Let's go get some food."

But I digress.

There may be places better than Japan for an atheist to live, but if you like Japanese food, modern conveniences, great public transport, Japanese women, etc. or are interested in Japanese culture, then I highly recommend it. ;)



I always liked that, for the majority of Japan, their relationship to religion is basically "eh, it's where ritual comes from" and they do the Shinto rituals for birth (and luck) and the Christian ones for marriage and the Buddhist ones for death, but never really think of it past "that thing you do for X event"
 
2013-04-11 07:45:15 AM  
The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.
 
2013-04-11 07:45:24 AM  

catmandu: FTA: "The North Carolina measure responds to the ACLU suit by declaring that each state is "sovereign" and no federal court can prevent a state from "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." "

Ummmm, isn't accepting the US Constitution a condition of becoming one of the United States?


And, oh, might just be written into OUR FARKING STATE CONSTITUTION, YOU THEOCRATIC NEOCONFEDERATE SHIATWADS!!!

Sec. 5.  Allegiance to the United States.

Every citizen of this State owes paramount allegiance to the Constitution and government of the United States, and no law or ordinance of the State in contravention or subversion thereof can have any binding force.


Oh, it turns out this asshole is from Burnsville - right across the Pisgah Forest from Billy Graham's complex.  Imagine my surprise.

Now, who was it in a thread last week that was trying to say Asheville was super-liberal like Chapel Hill?

/I didn't vote for a single damn R in November, can't blame me
 
2013-04-11 07:47:44 AM  

TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.


I'm trying to parse this in a way that makes sense, and not finding a way.
 
2013-04-11 07:48:16 AM  

TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.


And the only thing more annoying than either of them are people who mistake "you can't systematically use government to force your religion on people" as "atheists forcing their beliefs on poor innocent jesusy folks"

Congrats.
 
2013-04-11 07:49:30 AM  

spyderqueen: mamoru: lucksi: Is there any country where I can get some freedom FROM religion?

I've lived in and visited a few countries around the world, and so far I have to say that, as an atheist, Japan has been the most comfortable for my lack of belief. This is having lived in the US (various places all over the east coast), Japan, Morocco, and now Thailand, as well as visiting England, France, Spain, Malaysia, and Indonesia. The only country I've lived in where anyone has made an issue of my lack of belief, trying to "save" me or damning me to hell, was the USA. Even in Morocco, a Muslim country, no one really cared that I was an atheist. I had several conversations that went something like this:

Moroccan: "Can I ask, are you a Christian?"
Me: "Nope. I'm not religious."
Moroccan: "Ever thought about converting to Islam?"
Me: "Nope."
Moroccan: "Do you believe in God?"
Me: "Nope. Sorry." (expecting that it might bother that person)
Moroccan: "Ah, no problem. So... hungry?"
Me: "Sure. I could use something to eat."
Moroccan: "Me, too. Let's go get some food."

But I digress.

There may be places better than Japan for an atheist to live, but if you like Japanese food, modern conveniences, great public transport, Japanese women, etc. or are interested in Japanese culture, then I highly recommend it. ;)


I always liked that, for the majority of Japan, their relationship to religion is basically "eh, it's where ritual comes from" and they do the Shinto rituals for birth (and luck) and the Christian ones for marriage and the Buddhist ones for death, but never really think of it past "that thing you do for X event"


A lot of this comes from American post-war efforts to demilitarize Shinto, which had been heavily appropriated for politico-military use.  Take a look at the 1945 'Directive for the Disestablishment of State Shinto"; it was the roadmap for removing religion as an instrument of nationalism in Japan.
 
2013-04-11 07:50:02 AM  

cman: AdolfOliverPanties: [i.huffpost.com image 570x238]

And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.

She looks English

iats not just the teeth that gave her away. It is her facial features


Can I just threadshiat for a second

I am SO bored of the "English have bad teeth" stereotype .. at leat we farking have teeth and not a row of brilliantine gravestones that look completely farking creepy.

You Yanks are so obsessed with manufactured beauty.. Hair, tits, teeth everything that can be man made are the bits you look at.. for god's sake we wouldn't even have plastic surgery if it wasn't for your insane idea that nature can be improved upon.. that a wrinkle is an abomination .. your porn sucks because of all this which is obviously a shame.

And don't get me started on the "English are emotionally underdeveloped like farking Hugh Grant!" .. Coming from a Country that pumps out films with people being shot in the face but woooahh nelly! if someone gets their tits out.

In conclusion.. You all spend stupid money making your teeth look like that AND THEN THINK IT'S NORMAL... Jesus, I bet it's the same logic that makes everyone put jackets on their dogs these days!
 
2013-04-11 07:50:20 AM  

UNC_Samurai: A lot of this comes from American post-war efforts to demilitarize Shinto, which had been heavily appropriated for politico-military use.  Take a look at the 1945 'Directive for the Disestablishment of State Shinto"; it was the roadmap for removing religion as an instrument of nationalism in Japan.


It'd be nice if we could do that here.
 
2013-04-11 07:50:44 AM  

neongoats: TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.

And the only thing more annoying than either of them are people who mistake "you can't systematically use government to force your religion on people" as "atheists forcing their beliefs on poor innocent jesusy folks"

Congrats.


I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together at Osama's Homobortion Pot-n-Commie Jizzporium.
 
2013-04-11 07:50:53 AM  

lewismarktwo: jso2897: neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".

No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.

Smart atheists know when someone is baiting them, but I forgive you, just like Jesus Christ will forgive your sins if you accept him into your heart.


Well, I'm no master baiter, that's for sure. But the last I heard from Jesus, he told his followers to go practice their religion in private - so I have to assume that anyone who publicly trumpets that they are a "Christian" isn't a very good one.
By the way - your remarks indicate that you think I am an "atheist" (whatever that means) - is there some reason you think that? Or is it just an assumption you make abouit anyone who is amused by the spectacle of so-called "Christians" waving their alleged faith around in public like some flasher waving his dick?
 
2013-04-11 07:51:33 AM  
The suggested bill is pretty much the purest example of an unconstitutional law I've ever seen. Other than maybe a law requiring citizens to quarter soldiers in their homes.
 
2013-04-11 07:53:08 AM  

Mrfusticle: You Yanks are so obsessed with manufactured beauty.. Hair, tits, teeth everything that can be man made are the bits you look at.. for god's sake we wouldn't even have plastic surgery if it wasn't for your insane idea that nature can be improved upon.. that a wrinkle is an abomination .. your porn sucks because of all this which is obviously a shame.


ecx.images-amazon.com

I was introduced to this book in a History of American Business class; I highly recommend it.  We've been doing this shiat for so long we don't even think about it.
 
2013-04-11 07:54:19 AM  
http://igg.me/at/webackmac38/x/2513157

The above link takes you to an Indiegogo fundraiser for my anticipated 2014 campaign seeking election to North Carolina's House of Representatives.  In 2010 the GOP gained a majority in both houses of our state legislature, just in time to gerrymander legislative districts and solidify their position.  Now, as you can see, they're striving to make their ideology our law.

Wherever your views on the political system may lie, I hope you'll agree that no law should be based on someone else's morals.  The type of overreach taking place here undermines faith in our system... and if it can happen here today, it can happen anywhere tomorrow.  So if you're asking yourself "Why should I care?  I don't live in North Carolina," keep in mind that until a very short time ago, this was seen as a solid blue state when it came to state government and elections.  The issues at stake here are all too real, and the time for action - action restoring a practical, pragmatic, forward thinking, common sense approach to government - has come.  It's time for common sense to trump nonsense.

The odds are against me.  My opposition has a huge money advantage, and Republicans outspent Democrats by a 2-to-1+ margin statewide last year.  So anything you could do to help financially would be appreciated.  A contribution would give our effort a tremendous boost, raising the initial funds we'll need to launch a competitive, informative campaign.
 
2013-04-11 07:54:29 AM  
Go through this thread.

Replace "atheist" with "christian" and "christian" with "muslim" and suddenly it looks like your local teaparty meeting.


B b but muh dont like christians and tryin' to feel edgy!
Congrats turd nuggets youve joined the very same club of the people you profess to hate.
 
2013-04-11 07:54:30 AM  
Mrfusticle:In conclusion.. You all spend stupid money making your teeth look like that AND THEN THINK IT'S NORMAL... Jesus, I bet it's the same logic that makes everyone put jackets on their dogs these days!

I live in South Carolina, but frequently work in NC.  I can honesty tell you that there are large parts of that state which do not, in point of fact, spend money on their tooth.
 
2013-04-11 07:55:04 AM  
Mrfusticle:  .. your porn sucks because of all this which is obviously a shame.

In conclusion.. You all spend stupid money making your teeth look like that AND THEN THINK IT'S NORMAL... Jesus, I bet it's the same logic that makes everyone put jackets on their dogs these days!


Yeah I agree, I do not enjoy porn that has boobies that are more like balloonies.
 
2013-04-11 07:55:32 AM  

Mrfusticle: I am SO bored of the "English have bad teeth" stereotype .. at leat we farking have teeth and not a row of brilliantine gravestones that look completely farking creepy.

You Yanks are so obsessed with manufactured beauty..


And, I'm so bored of people confusing insecurity with insight.
 
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