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(Huffington Post)   North Carolina: "We must lift the ban on religion in public places" Constituent: "So then would you support Islamic prayers being said before meetings?". Legislator: "Of course not, that would be terrorism"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 494
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2013-04-10 11:49:31 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?


Why would you assume any particular atheist would want a well-functioning place of meeting for the North Carolina legislature?
 
2013-04-11 12:02:36 AM  
This is a state that used to allow a12 year old  girl to get  married iffn she was pregnant.
Really.
 
2013-04-11 12:03:07 AM  
I've heard it argued (seriously) that Islam is not covered under the First Amendment religious protections because it is not a religion. It is a militaristic cult.
 
2013-04-11 12:07:10 AM  

propasaurus: I've heard it argued (seriously) that Islam is not covered under the First Amendment religious protections because it is not a religion. It is a militaristic cult.


And of course the very same argument was used against Catholicism and Mormonism in the 19th and 20th centuries. Various anti-Jewish and even anti-Yoga/Hindu versions of this exist as well in American discourse, believe it or not. Of course Protestantism is somehow neither "militaristic" nor a "cult" under these "definitions." Fancy that.
 
2013-04-11 12:20:19 AM  
Not gonna lie. I've sat here for 10 minutes trying to think up something amusing to say. It's been a long day and I'm tired. So this is just a bookmark.
 
2013-04-11 12:22:01 AM  

spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity to be the official state religion.

i.imgur.com
Roman Catholics strangling and roasting Dutch Mennonites in 1554.


i.imgur.com

French Protestants liberating the entrails of Catholics in 1607.


Yeah....we've seen that movie before and *Spoiler Alert*: It doesn't end well.
 
2013-04-11 12:23:35 AM  

Somacandra: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

Why would you assume any particular atheist would want a well-functioning place of meeting for the North Carolina legislature?


While I'd like to reduce the need for prisons, I don't expect it will ever be possible to eliminate them completely.
 
2013-04-11 12:27:53 AM  
i.huffpost.com


i93.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-11 01:45:50 AM  
I especially like the part where, in a very few sentences she says "We just need to start taking a stand on our religious freedom or it will be whisked away from us." seconds after she said that allowing Muslim prayer is supporting terrorism. Have legislators always been this ignorant, or is it just because of the Internet that we hear about it?
 
2013-04-11 02:19:09 AM  
It's not just her rock-stupid ignorance of the Constitution and the concept of Freedom of Religion.
It's not just her cognitive dissonance that, properly harvested, could lower electricity prices to one cent per kilowatt decade.
It's that she apparently looked at a photo of Calista Gingrich and thought "Style Icon to Emulate" instead of "AIIEEEE! IT HUNGERS FOR SOULS"
 
2013-04-11 02:25:41 AM  
The fact that this woman is an elected official and has any sort of power or influence at all is incredibly disturbing.
 
2013-04-11 02:30:20 AM  

This About That: Have legislators always been this ignorant, or is it just because of the Internet that we hear about it?


I think people have always had the potential to be this ignorant, but the internet (and cable news networks) make it sooo easy. Used to be if you wanted to keep up with current events, you couldn't help but be exposed to outside views and different ideas and the like. Nowadays all this gal has to do is turn on Fox News, bring up FreeRepublic, and relax in her nice closed loop of derp. Because who likes to hear evidence that their existing ideas might be wrong?

/Perhaps a mod could baleet my html fail?
 
2013-04-11 04:44:56 AM  
The bill, which was drafted by state Reps. Carl Ford (R-China Grove)

The people of the town are strange
And they're proud of where they came.
 
2013-04-11 06:20:17 AM  

miss diminutive: The fact that this woman is an elected official and has any sort of power or influence at all is incredibly disturbing.


You've obviously never visited the South.
 
2013-04-11 06:21:40 AM  

NewportBarGuy: How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?


This.

/South Carolinian
 
2013-04-11 06:22:27 AM  
Isn't NASCAR a religion?
 
2013-04-11 06:30:19 AM  
NC is now literally half Yankee yuppie scum transplants who go there to get away from things like having to pay workers a decent wage.
 
2013-04-11 06:31:48 AM  
yes yes yes, I understand all the impotent rage against the mean old religious people who like to pray before a meeting.
yes they're ignorant
yes they say stupid crap
but I really dislike that we have to accomodate  all the things
if you don't like something, you have the freedom to walk the fark out
THAT seems more like the america I used to like
 
2013-04-11 06:38:01 AM  
is she just a regular republican idiot or tea party republican idiot?
 
2013-04-11 06:42:34 AM  
TFA
The North Carolina measure responds to the ACLU suit by declaring that each state is "sovereign" and no federal court can prevent a state from "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." Though Warren, one of the bill's authors, told HuffPost Live that the measure was not seeking to create a state religion, the drafted legislation would clearly allow for such an action.

upload.wikimedia.org
Disagrees
 
2013-04-11 06:42:59 AM  
GOPmerica: Where "Freedom of Religion" really only means "freedom to be fundamentalist and jesusy" along with "Freedom for jesusy people to persecute non jesusy people"

Sorry assholes, your stone aged semitic sky worship can die in a farking fire.
 
2013-04-11 06:43:06 AM  
Is there any country where I can get some freedom FROM religion?
 
2013-04-11 06:43:26 AM  
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

See that line, fellow Christians? The United States is not God's Kingdom on Earth. We can't run it like it is because we will invariably screw it up.

Just stop trying to legislate people into conversion, it has the opposite effect.
 
2013-04-11 06:47:28 AM  
One of my fondest dreams is to learn to say the Lord's Prayer in the original Aramaic, or even just Hebrew - you know, just like Jesus would do.

And then go to a local school board meeting, ask if I can say a prayer before we start, and see how long it takes before I have to switch to english to yell "DON'T TASE ME BRO!"
 
2013-04-11 06:47:35 AM  
I'd hope that someone at least pointed out to her the glaring contradictions.
 
2013-04-11 06:49:24 AM  

Somacandra: "We got BOTH kinds of religion here: Baptists AND Methodists!"


But Methodists don't count because they're a little too accepting of the gays.
 
2013-04-11 06:50:16 AM  

LograyX: Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

See that line, fellow Christians? The United States is not God's Kingdom on Earth. We can't run it like it is because we will invariably screw it up.

Just stop trying to legislate people into conversion, it has the opposite effect.


I disagree, keep trying to legislate people into conversion, it has the opposite effect.
 
2013-04-11 06:52:14 AM  

natas6.0: yes yes yes, I understand all the impotent rage against the mean old religious people who like to pray before a meeting.
yes they're ignorant
yes they say stupid crap
but I really dislike that we have to accomodate  all the things
if you don't like something, you have the freedom to walk the fark out
THAT seems more like the america I used to like


You don't seem to like the First amendment, so why don't you take your own advice and 'walk the fark out'?
 
2013-04-11 06:53:08 AM  

Karac: One of my fondest dreams is to learn to say the Lord's Prayer in the original Aramaic, or even just Hebrew - you know, just like Jesus would do.

And then go to a local school board meeting, ask if I can say a prayer before we start, and see how long it takes before I have to switch to english to yell "DON'T TASE ME BRO!"


OMG....that is simply an awesome idea!
 
2013-04-11 06:54:38 AM  

lucksi: Is there any country where I can get some freedom FROM religion?


Only in scifiville:
media.sfx.co.uk


http://media.sfx.co.uk/files/2012/09/Earth-Strike_305.jpg
 
2013-04-11 06:55:29 AM  

abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.


You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.
 
2013-04-11 06:56:46 AM  

spongeboob: Just today I was thinking

If you told the average American that a political candidate's religion was
A middle Eastern religion that believe that all people were evil and that they long. for the day that their deity destroyed the world and the people in it except for their fellow believers, that young children who died would spend eternity being tortured unless they had undergone a magical ritual.

Would the average American vote for that candidate?


Dude, I don't think the average American would even vote for an atheist.
 
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2013-04-11 06:57:43 AM  
if you guys only knew the area she represented, you'd understand.
 
2013-04-11 06:58:33 AM  
You know which country acknowledges Christian religion in their constitutional preamble?
You know which country opts-in its citizen into a Christian church tax via the federal income tax process?
You know which country offers 1h minimum in religion class per week in public schools?


Now ask yourself, which country has more overzealous Christians than the country in the questions above?
 
2013-04-11 07:00:50 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.


The mix of yellow and white suggests her full set is partially prosthetic.
 
2013-04-11 07:02:21 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [i.huffpost.com image 570x238]

And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.


I'm just not sure they're HER teeth.

/paging Mr. Dollarhyde
 
2013-04-11 07:03:14 AM  
LordJiro
don't get all whiny on me there, el jay
 they just want the freedom to do their particular kooky dance
If you need another look at what my opinion was
feel free to reread everything after 'I dislike'
or..take yer own advice
b-b-but the amendments!
 
2013-04-11 07:03:31 AM  

King Something: I don't think too many people want their religious faiths emblazoned on pubic walls either.


Given that the purpose of the whole thing is to bilk money and power out of the common clay, and let them enforce peasant morality on their neighbors, I think any kind of dick/jesus/asshole art is entirely appropriate.
 
2013-04-11 07:04:29 AM  

hinten: You know which country acknowledges Christian religion in their constitutional preamble?
You know which country opts-in its citizen into a Christian church tax via the federal income tax process?
You know which country offers 1h minimum in religion class per week in public schools?


Now ask yourself, which country has more overzealous Christians than the country in the questions above?


I was told there would be no math religion.
 
2013-04-11 07:05:35 AM  

Somacandra: spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity to be the official state religion.

Roman Catholics strangling and roasting Dutch Mennonites in 1554.
French Protestants liberating the entrails of Catholics in 1607.
Yeah....we've seen that movie before and *Spoiler Alert*: It doesn't end well.


Now I see where "Stick a fork in him, he's done" comes from.
 
2013-04-11 07:07:02 AM  

Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.


This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.
 
2013-04-11 07:09:42 AM  
She's still not as vile as representative Virginia Foxx.
 
2013-04-11 07:10:04 AM  
Again, the ignorance and hypocrisy is astounding...

Between this, Rand Paul's condescending speech at Howard, and that yahoo in Kansas using "n*gger-rigging" at a meeting, the GOP sure is making good on its rhetoric to be more inclusive of minorities, eh?
 
2013-04-11 07:10:21 AM  

spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion.  I don't think any atheist will admit that.


Just like not collecting stamps is a hobbie.
 
2013-04-11 07:10:54 AM  

berylman: She's still not as vile as representative Virginia Foxx.


Oh come on! That's a porn star, not an elected official.
 
2013-04-11 07:11:55 AM  

natas6.0: yes yes yes, I understand all the impotent rage against the mean old religious people who like to pray before a meeting.
yes they're ignorant
yes they say stupid crap
but I really dislike that we have to accomodate  all the things
if you don't like something, you have the freedom to walk the fark out
THAT seems more like the america I used to like


We don't have to accommodate all the things. Were not supposed to accommodate ANY of them. It's not impotent rage, it's the constitution.
 
2013-04-11 07:12:17 AM  

neongoats: GOPmerica: Where "Freedom of Religion" really only means "freedom to be fundamentalist and jesusy" along with "Freedom for jesusy people to persecute non jesusy people"


And, of course, by "jesusy" they really mean "bearing absolutely no resemblance to Jesus Christ or anything he ever stood for; in fact, almost completely the exact opposite!"...

/If only more so-called Christians actually followed the teachings of Jesus, we'd all be a whole lot better off...
 
2013-04-11 07:12:21 AM  

lucksi: Is there any country where I can get some freedom FROM religion?


I've lived in and visited a few countries around the world, and so far I have to say that, as an atheist, Japan has been the most comfortable for my lack of belief. This is having lived in the US (various places all over the east coast), Japan, Morocco, and now Thailand, as well as visiting England, France, Spain, Malaysia, and Indonesia. The only country I've lived in where anyone has made an issue of my lack of belief, trying to "save" me or damning me to hell, was the USA. Even in Morocco, a Muslim country, no one really cared that I was an atheist. I had several conversations that went something like this:

Moroccan: "Can I ask, are you a Christian?"
Me: "Nope. I'm not religious."
Moroccan: "Ever thought about converting to Islam?"
Me: "Nope."
Moroccan: "Do you believe in God?"
Me: "Nope. Sorry." (expecting that it might bother that person)
Moroccan: "Ah, no problem. So... hungry?"
Me: "Sure. I could use something to eat."
Moroccan: "Me, too. Let's go get some food."

But I digress.

There may be places better than Japan for an atheist to live, but if you like Japanese food, modern conveniences, great public transport, Japanese women, etc. or are interested in Japanese culture, then I highly recommend it. ;)
 
2013-04-11 07:12:26 AM  
AdolfOliverPanties:
i.huffpost.com
And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.



I find that picture, placed together with your username (and the way it sounds), to be a truly terrifying thing.
 
2013-04-11 07:12:34 AM  

neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.


Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.
 
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