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(Huffington Post)   North Carolina: "We must lift the ban on religion in public places" Constituent: "So then would you support Islamic prayers being said before meetings?". Legislator: "Of course not, that would be terrorism"   ( huffingtonpost.com) divider line
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2013-04-10 07:44:35 PM  
Of course.
 
2013-04-10 07:45:31 PM  
How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?
 
2013-04-10 07:47:32 PM  
If the Republican Party hopes to reach out to minority groups, it must clearly and forcefully repudiate such bigoted comments by its representatives," the group's National Legislative Director Corey Saylor said in a statement.

I'm just not seeing this happen.
 
2013-04-10 07:49:43 PM  

NewportBarGuy: How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?


CVS cashiers are even dumber.
 
2013-04-10 07:50:47 PM  

NewportBarGuy: How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?


I bet she is adequately representing her ass-backwards redneck constituents. She'll probably win her next election in a land slide.
 
2013-04-10 07:52:00 PM  
I couldn't even make it past this farking picture without laughing.

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"No, I do not condone terrorism," Presnell responded, according to the report. "We just need to start taking a stand on our religious freedom or it will be whisked away from us."

The only "religious freedom" you want is the freedom to get rid of every other religion except yours, you coont.
 
2013-04-10 07:52:10 PM  

I WILL EAT YOUR FACE

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2013-04-10 07:52:23 PM  

Nadie_AZ: If the Republican Party hopes to reach out to minority groups, it must clearly and forcefully repudiate such bigoted comments by its representatives," the group's National Legislative Director Corey Saylor said in a statement.

I'm just not seeing this happen.


It won't, mainly because bigotry is one of the GOP's core values.
 
2013-04-10 07:53:10 PM  

NewportBarGuy: How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?


CVS  has standards.
 
2013-04-10 07:53:24 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I couldn't even make it past this farking picture without laughing.

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DAMMIT beat me by less than a minute.

I said out loud "What the fark is that?" when I saw that picture. For realz.
 
2013-04-10 07:56:36 PM  
On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity to be the official state religion.
 
2013-04-10 07:57:01 PM  
Another uneducated bigoted politician?

Color me shocked
 
2013-04-10 07:58:14 PM  
Please use the Obvious tag on articles where the GOP is befuddled by logical consistency. TY and have a nice penis.
 
2013-04-10 07:59:38 PM  
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And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.
 
2013-04-10 08:02:46 PM  

b0rscht: scottydoesntknow: I couldn't even make it past this farking picture without laughing.

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DAMMIT beat me by less than a minute.

I said out loud "What the fark is that?" when I saw that picture. For realz.


I like your caption though, works perfectly. She's like one of those women you see in horror movies where from far away she looks like a sweet lady, but the closer you get the more hellish she looks. Until a demon erupts from her mouth and eats your face.
 
2013-04-10 08:08:55 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [i.huffpost.com image 570x238]

And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.


She looks English

iats not just the teeth that gave her away. It is her facial features
 
2013-04-10 08:11:25 PM  
Goes to Callista Gringrich's hair dresser.
 
2013-04-10 08:14:28 PM  
Screw you, subby. If you're going to outright lie about what someone says, at least make it f...


Holy shiat.

Sorry, subby.
 
2013-04-10 08:17:00 PM  
Color me shocked at this news.
 
2013-04-10 08:19:40 PM  
Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?
 
2013-04-10 08:21:56 PM  
FTA: "The North Carolina measure responds to the ACLU suit by declaring that each state is "sovereign" and no federal court can prevent a state from "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." "

Ummmm, isn't accepting the US Constitution a condition of becoming one of the United States?
 
2013-04-10 08:22:03 PM  

scottydoesntknow: The only "religious freedom" you want is the freedom to get rid of every other religion except yours, you coont.


Well said. Sad that she doesn't even see the irony in saying we need to protect religious freedom in the same breath she is condemning a religion.  How is it that our Founding Fathers were so on-the-ball about this stuff but we've regressed into stupid Christian bullshiat?
 
2013-04-10 08:22:14 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?


I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion.  I don't think any atheist will admit that.
 
2013-04-10 08:25:20 PM  
I always like to visit North Carolina once a year to visit in-laws and BBQ the pig. Once
 
2013-04-10 08:27:21 PM  
Well, she's right. Muslim prayers have no business being part of official government functions.

Nor do any other religion's prayers.
 
2013-04-10 08:31:54 PM  

spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion.  I don't think any atheist will admit that.


Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

When presented with a binary option (Is there at least one higher power that can be considered god-like?), the atheists look at existing observations and believe that there is no further explanation. Theists look at the same observations and believe that a higher authority is responsible for the complexity of life. Both are equally supported by philosophy. Atheists simply believe that the null hypothesis (ie no evidence suggesting a god has interacted with creation) is the standard. It's not a religion.

There. Now that's settled. We can stay on the topic of making fun of North Carolina.
 
2013-04-10 08:33:29 PM  

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2013-04-10 08:34:46 PM  

spongeboob: I don't think any atheist will admit that.


A real head scratcher, that.
 
2013-04-10 08:40:06 PM  

spongeboob: I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion. I don't think any atheist will admit that.


Is that like "admitting" that rain falls up?
 
2013-04-10 08:44:19 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.


More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.
 
2013-04-10 08:47:51 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion.  I don't think any atheist will admit that.

Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

When presented with a binary option (Is there at least one higher power that can be considered god-like?), the atheists look at existing observations and believe that there is no further explanation. Theists look at the same observations and believe that a higher authority is responsible for the complexity of life. Both are equally supported by philosophy. Atheists simply believe that the null hypothesis (ie no evidence suggesting a god has interacted with creation) is the standard. It's not a religion.

There. Now that's settled. We can stay on the topic of making fun of North Carolina.


The argument that I think Republicans would use
It is Freedom of Religion not Freedom of  a belief system, so if you want to be treated like a religion you need to be  willing to admit that atheism is a religion.


/shouldn't it be Best Carolina
 
2013-04-10 08:50:23 PM  

spongeboob: The argument that I think Republicans would use
It is Freedom of Religion not Freedom of a belief system, so if you want to be treated like a religion you need to be willing to admit that atheism is a religion.


/shouldn't it be Best Carolina


Republicans also use the argument that unfettered capitalism is good for those at the mercy of the owning class because the most observable metric of a bull market is the wealthy getting wealthier.
 
2013-04-10 08:52:14 PM  

kronicfeld: spongeboob: I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion. I don't think any atheist will admit that.

Is that like "admitting" that rain falls up?


perhaps I should have said in order to be treated the same as a religion atheist would need to claim that atheism is/is like a religion.
 
2013-04-10 08:58:34 PM  
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2013-04-10 09:01:48 PM  

NewportBarGuy: How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?


Because the people who bag sh*t at a CVS are the ones voting them into office.
 
2013-04-10 09:06:41 PM  
Here are your choices:

1. None of the religions in public spaces.

2. All of the religions in public spaces.
 
2013-04-10 09:10:34 PM  
Just today I was thinking

If you told the average American that a political candidate's religion was
A middle Eastern religion that believe that all people were evil and that they long. for the day that their deity destroyed the world and the people in it except for their fellow believers, that young children who died would spend eternity being tortured unless they had undergone a magical ritual.

Would the average American vote for that candidate?
 
2013-04-10 09:11:28 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?


At least there's tangible evidence of that.
 
2013-04-10 09:22:34 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.


I see Ralphie from "A Christmas Story" finally got that sex-change operation.
 
2013-04-10 09:32:07 PM  
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2013-04-10 09:33:26 PM  

b0rscht: I WILL EAT YOUR FACE

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2013-04-10 09:36:31 PM  

spongeboob: Just today I was thinking

If you told the average American that a political candidate's religion was
A middle Eastern religion that believe that all people were evil and that they long. for the day that their deity destroyed the world and the people in it except for their fellow believers, that young children who died would spend eternity being tortured unless they had undergone a magical ritual.

Would the average American vote for that candidate?


And it is based on a group requiring male members to lop off part of their .. well... member.
 
2013-04-10 09:38:40 PM  

ThunderPelvis: b0rscht: I WILL EAT YOUR FACE

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First thing I thought of.
 
2013-04-10 09:44:16 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

At least there's tangible evidence of that.


"All hail Terry, keeper of fire codes and master of ADA compliance!"
 
2013-04-10 09:45:29 PM  
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Apparently going to the dentist is also terrorism.
 
2013-04-10 10:13:11 PM  
Thank God for Patriots like her, defending our Freedom of  Religion Christianity.
 
2013-04-10 10:58:17 PM  
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In fairness, we might want to teach a bit more than just Christianity. We all aren't Christians out here. And as a Buddhist, I don't want my faith emblazoned on pubic walls, but then again, my daughter isn't Christian, and I don't exactly want her being exposed to ONLY Christian ideas and ideals...
 
2013-04-10 11:24:42 PM  

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In fairness, we might want to teach a bit more than just Christianity. We all aren't Christians out here. And as a Buddhist, I don't want my faith emblazoned on pubic walls, but then again, my daughter isn't Christian, and I don't exactly want her being exposed to ONLY Christian ideas and ideals...


I don't think too many people want their religious faiths emblazoned on pubic walls either.
 
2013-04-10 11:28:57 PM  

King Something: hubiestubert: [lh5.googleusercontent.com image 640x480]
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In fairness, we might want to teach a bit more than just Christianity. We all aren't Christians out here. And as a Buddhist, I don't want my faith emblazoned on pubic walls, but then again, my daughter isn't Christian, and I don't exactly want her being exposed to ONLY Christian ideas and ideals...

I don't think too many people want their religious faiths emblazoned on pubic walls either.


Gottverdammit Auto-Correct!
 
2013-04-10 11:47:18 PM  

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"We got BOTH kinds of religion here: Baptists AND Methodists!"

 
2013-04-10 11:49:31 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?


Why would you assume any particular atheist would want a well-functioning place of meeting for the North Carolina legislature?
 
2013-04-11 12:02:36 AM  
This is a state that used to allow a12 year old  girl to get  married iffn she was pregnant.
Really.
 
2013-04-11 12:03:07 AM  
I've heard it argued (seriously) that Islam is not covered under the First Amendment religious protections because it is not a religion. It is a militaristic cult.
 
2013-04-11 12:07:10 AM  

propasaurus: I've heard it argued (seriously) that Islam is not covered under the First Amendment religious protections because it is not a religion. It is a militaristic cult.


And of course the very same argument was used against Catholicism and Mormonism in the 19th and 20th centuries. Various anti-Jewish and even anti-Yoga/Hindu versions of this exist as well in American discourse, believe it or not. Of course Protestantism is somehow neither "militaristic" nor a "cult" under these "definitions." Fancy that.
 
2013-04-11 12:20:19 AM  
Not gonna lie. I've sat here for 10 minutes trying to think up something amusing to say. It's been a long day and I'm tired. So this is just a bookmark.
 
2013-04-11 12:22:01 AM  

spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity to be the official state religion.

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Roman Catholics strangling and roasting Dutch Mennonites in 1554.


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French Protestants liberating the entrails of Catholics in 1607.


Yeah....we've seen that movie before and *Spoiler Alert*: It doesn't end well.
 
2013-04-11 12:23:35 AM  

Somacandra: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

Why would you assume any particular atheist would want a well-functioning place of meeting for the North Carolina legislature?


While I'd like to reduce the need for prisons, I don't expect it will ever be possible to eliminate them completely.
 
2013-04-11 12:27:53 AM  

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2013-04-11 01:45:50 AM  
I especially like the part where, in a very few sentences she says "We just need to start taking a stand on our religious freedom or it will be whisked away from us." seconds after she said that allowing Muslim prayer is supporting terrorism. Have legislators always been this ignorant, or is it just because of the Internet that we hear about it?
 
2013-04-11 02:19:09 AM  
It's not just her rock-stupid ignorance of the Constitution and the concept of Freedom of Religion.
It's not just her cognitive dissonance that, properly harvested, could lower electricity prices to one cent per kilowatt decade.
It's that she apparently looked at a photo of Calista Gingrich and thought "Style Icon to Emulate" instead of "AIIEEEE! IT HUNGERS FOR SOULS"
 
2013-04-11 02:25:41 AM  
The fact that this woman is an elected official and has any sort of power or influence at all is incredibly disturbing.
 
2013-04-11 02:30:20 AM  

This About That: Have legislators always been this ignorant, or is it just because of the Internet that we hear about it?


I think people have always had the potential to be this ignorant, but the internet (and cable news networks) make it sooo easy. Used to be if you wanted to keep up with current events, you couldn't help but be exposed to outside views and different ideas and the like. Nowadays all this gal has to do is turn on Fox News, bring up FreeRepublic, and relax in her nice closed loop of derp. Because who likes to hear evidence that their existing ideas might be wrong?

/Perhaps a mod could baleet my html fail?
 
2013-04-11 04:44:56 AM  
The bill, which was drafted by state Reps. Carl Ford (R-China Grove)

The people of the town are strange
And they're proud of where they came.
 
2013-04-11 06:20:17 AM  

miss diminutive: The fact that this woman is an elected official and has any sort of power or influence at all is incredibly disturbing.


You've obviously never visited the South.
 
2013-04-11 06:21:40 AM  

NewportBarGuy: How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?


This.

/South Carolinian
 
2013-04-11 06:22:27 AM  
Isn't NASCAR a religion?
 
2013-04-11 06:30:19 AM  
NC is now literally half Yankee yuppie scum transplants who go there to get away from things like having to pay workers a decent wage.
 
2013-04-11 06:31:48 AM  
yes yes yes, I understand all the impotent rage against the mean old religious people who like to pray before a meeting.
yes they're ignorant
yes they say stupid crap
but I really dislike that we have to accomodate  all the things
if you don't like something, you have the freedom to walk the fark out
THAT seems more like the america I used to like
 
2013-04-11 06:38:01 AM  
is she just a regular republican idiot or tea party republican idiot?
 
2013-04-11 06:42:34 AM  
TFA
The North Carolina measure responds to the ACLU suit by declaring that each state is "sovereign" and no federal court can prevent a state from "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." Though Warren, one of the bill's authors, told HuffPost Live that the measure was not seeking to create a state religion, the drafted legislation would clearly allow for such an action.

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2013-04-11 06:42:59 AM  
GOPmerica: Where "Freedom of Religion" really only means "freedom to be fundamentalist and jesusy" along with "Freedom for jesusy people to persecute non jesusy people"

Sorry assholes, your stone aged semitic sky worship can die in a farking fire.
 
2013-04-11 06:43:06 AM  
Is there any country where I can get some freedom FROM religion?
 
2013-04-11 06:43:26 AM  
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

See that line, fellow Christians? The United States is not God's Kingdom on Earth. We can't run it like it is because we will invariably screw it up.

Just stop trying to legislate people into conversion, it has the opposite effect.
 
2013-04-11 06:47:28 AM  
One of my fondest dreams is to learn to say the Lord's Prayer in the original Aramaic, or even just Hebrew - you know, just like Jesus would do.

And then go to a local school board meeting, ask if I can say a prayer before we start, and see how long it takes before I have to switch to english to yell "DON'T TASE ME BRO!"
 
2013-04-11 06:47:35 AM  
I'd hope that someone at least pointed out to her the glaring contradictions.
 
2013-04-11 06:49:24 AM  

Somacandra: "We got BOTH kinds of religion here: Baptists AND Methodists!"


But Methodists don't count because they're a little too accepting of the gays.
 
2013-04-11 06:50:16 AM  

LograyX: Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

See that line, fellow Christians? The United States is not God's Kingdom on Earth. We can't run it like it is because we will invariably screw it up.

Just stop trying to legislate people into conversion, it has the opposite effect.


I disagree, keep trying to legislate people into conversion, it has the opposite effect.
 
2013-04-11 06:52:14 AM  

natas6.0: yes yes yes, I understand all the impotent rage against the mean old religious people who like to pray before a meeting.
yes they're ignorant
yes they say stupid crap
but I really dislike that we have to accomodate  all the things
if you don't like something, you have the freedom to walk the fark out
THAT seems more like the america I used to like


You don't seem to like the First amendment, so why don't you take your own advice and 'walk the fark out'?
 
2013-04-11 06:53:08 AM  

Karac: One of my fondest dreams is to learn to say the Lord's Prayer in the original Aramaic, or even just Hebrew - you know, just like Jesus would do.

And then go to a local school board meeting, ask if I can say a prayer before we start, and see how long it takes before I have to switch to english to yell "DON'T TASE ME BRO!"


OMG....that is simply an awesome idea!
 
2013-04-11 06:54:38 AM  

lucksi: Is there any country where I can get some freedom FROM religion?


Only in scifiville:
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2013-04-11 06:55:29 AM  

abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.


You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.
 
2013-04-11 06:56:46 AM  

spongeboob: Just today I was thinking

If you told the average American that a political candidate's religion was
A middle Eastern religion that believe that all people were evil and that they long. for the day that their deity destroyed the world and the people in it except for their fellow believers, that young children who died would spend eternity being tortured unless they had undergone a magical ritual.

Would the average American vote for that candidate?


Dude, I don't think the average American would even vote for an atheist.
 
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2013-04-11 06:57:43 AM  
if you guys only knew the area she represented, you'd understand.
 
2013-04-11 06:58:33 AM  
You know which country acknowledges Christian religion in their constitutional preamble?
You know which country opts-in its citizen into a Christian church tax via the federal income tax process?
You know which country offers 1h minimum in religion class per week in public schools?


Now ask yourself, which country has more overzealous Christians than the country in the questions above?
 
2013-04-11 07:00:50 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.


The mix of yellow and white suggests her full set is partially prosthetic.
 
2013-04-11 07:02:21 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [i.huffpost.com image 570x238]

And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.


I'm just not sure they're HER teeth.

/paging Mr. Dollarhyde
 
2013-04-11 07:03:14 AM  
LordJiro
don't get all whiny on me there, el jay
 they just want the freedom to do their particular kooky dance
If you need another look at what my opinion was
feel free to reread everything after 'I dislike'
or..take yer own advice
b-b-but the amendments!
 
2013-04-11 07:03:31 AM  

King Something: I don't think too many people want their religious faiths emblazoned on pubic walls either.


Given that the purpose of the whole thing is to bilk money and power out of the common clay, and let them enforce peasant morality on their neighbors, I think any kind of dick/jesus/asshole art is entirely appropriate.
 
2013-04-11 07:04:29 AM  

hinten: You know which country acknowledges Christian religion in their constitutional preamble?
You know which country opts-in its citizen into a Christian church tax via the federal income tax process?
You know which country offers 1h minimum in religion class per week in public schools?


Now ask yourself, which country has more overzealous Christians than the country in the questions above?


I was told there would be no math religion.
 
2013-04-11 07:05:35 AM  

Somacandra: spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity to be the official state religion.

Roman Catholics strangling and roasting Dutch Mennonites in 1554.
French Protestants liberating the entrails of Catholics in 1607.
Yeah....we've seen that movie before and *Spoiler Alert*: It doesn't end well.


Now I see where "Stick a fork in him, he's done" comes from.
 
2013-04-11 07:07:02 AM  

Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.


This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.
 
2013-04-11 07:09:42 AM  
She's still not as vile as representative Virginia Foxx.
 
2013-04-11 07:10:04 AM  
Again, the ignorance and hypocrisy is astounding...

Between this, Rand Paul's condescending speech at Howard, and that yahoo in Kansas using "n*gger-rigging" at a meeting, the GOP sure is making good on its rhetoric to be more inclusive of minorities, eh?
 
2013-04-11 07:10:21 AM  

spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion.  I don't think any atheist will admit that.


Just like not collecting stamps is a hobbie.
 
2013-04-11 07:10:54 AM  

berylman: She's still not as vile as representative Virginia Foxx.


Oh come on! That's a porn star, not an elected official.
 
2013-04-11 07:11:55 AM  

natas6.0: yes yes yes, I understand all the impotent rage against the mean old religious people who like to pray before a meeting.
yes they're ignorant
yes they say stupid crap
but I really dislike that we have to accomodate  all the things
if you don't like something, you have the freedom to walk the fark out
THAT seems more like the america I used to like


We don't have to accommodate all the things. Were not supposed to accommodate ANY of them. It's not impotent rage, it's the constitution.
 
2013-04-11 07:12:17 AM  

neongoats: GOPmerica: Where "Freedom of Religion" really only means "freedom to be fundamentalist and jesusy" along with "Freedom for jesusy people to persecute non jesusy people"


And, of course, by "jesusy" they really mean "bearing absolutely no resemblance to Jesus Christ or anything he ever stood for; in fact, almost completely the exact opposite!"...

/If only more so-called Christians actually followed the teachings of Jesus, we'd all be a whole lot better off...
 
2013-04-11 07:12:21 AM  

lucksi: Is there any country where I can get some freedom FROM religion?


I've lived in and visited a few countries around the world, and so far I have to say that, as an atheist, Japan has been the most comfortable for my lack of belief. This is having lived in the US (various places all over the east coast), Japan, Morocco, and now Thailand, as well as visiting England, France, Spain, Malaysia, and Indonesia. The only country I've lived in where anyone has made an issue of my lack of belief, trying to "save" me or damning me to hell, was the USA. Even in Morocco, a Muslim country, no one really cared that I was an atheist. I had several conversations that went something like this:

Moroccan: "Can I ask, are you a Christian?"
Me: "Nope. I'm not religious."
Moroccan: "Ever thought about converting to Islam?"
Me: "Nope."
Moroccan: "Do you believe in God?"
Me: "Nope. Sorry." (expecting that it might bother that person)
Moroccan: "Ah, no problem. So... hungry?"
Me: "Sure. I could use something to eat."
Moroccan: "Me, too. Let's go get some food."

But I digress.

There may be places better than Japan for an atheist to live, but if you like Japanese food, modern conveniences, great public transport, Japanese women, etc. or are interested in Japanese culture, then I highly recommend it. ;)
 
2013-04-11 07:12:26 AM  
AdolfOliverPanties:
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And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.



I find that picture, placed together with your username (and the way it sounds), to be a truly terrifying thing.
 
2013-04-11 07:12:34 AM  

neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.


Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.
 
2013-04-11 07:12:57 AM  

neongoats: This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion



It's like saying bald is a hair style....


Love that one.
 
2013-04-11 07:13:02 AM  
these gems should be put on large well made plaques bolted to the building where the idiot works. protected from the weather and well lit at night. when buildings across America start to sag from the weight of the plaques featuring our fearless leaders stupidity people will catch on that we have to make major changes to the system that allows the mentally deficient to hold public offices.

neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.


I'll pray for you.
 
2013-04-11 07:13:44 AM  
Outreach!
 
2013-04-11 07:14:06 AM  

catmandu: FTA: "The North Carolina measure responds to the ACLU suit by declaring that each state is "sovereign" and no federal court can prevent a state from "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." "

Ummmm, isn't accepting the US Constitution a condition of becoming one of the United States?


It's the latest tack a number of states are trying to push, that the amendments of the Constitution don't apply to the states themselves.
 
2013-04-11 07:14:14 AM  

RobSeace: neongoats: GOPmerica: Where "Freedom of Religion" really only means "freedom to be fundamentalist and jesusy" along with "Freedom for jesusy people to persecute non jesusy people"

And, of course, by "jesusy" they really mean "bearing absolutely no resemblance to Jesus Christ or anything he ever stood for; in fact, almost completely the exact opposite!"...

/If only more so-called Christians actually followed the teachings of Jesus, we'd all be a whole lot better off...


Right. Really all you have to do in any situation is think about what the Dark Lord Sauron would do, and you instantly know what the GOP/fundy brigades feel about it.
 
2013-04-11 07:14:50 AM  

lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.


And you claim this, why?
 
2013-04-11 07:15:51 AM  
I have it on good authority that the baby Jesus was a hook-nosed Arab.
 
2013-04-11 07:16:29 AM  

spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity to be the official state religion.

The clause of the Constitution which, while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity through the United States; and as every sect believes its own form the true one, every one perhaps hoped for his own, but especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists. The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes and they believe that any portion of power confided to me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly.

- Thomas Jefferson
 
2013-04-11 07:16:45 AM  

natas6.0: LordJiro
don't get all whiny on me there, el jay
 they just want the freedom to do their particular kooky dance
If you need another look at what my opinion was
feel free to reread everything after 'I dislike'
or..take yer own advice
b-b-but the amendments!


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The Subjugation of a Ghost

A young wife fell sick and was about to die. "I love you so much," she told her husband, "I do not want to leave you. Do not go from me to any other woman. If you do, I will return as a ghost and cause you endless trouble."
Soon the wife passed away. The husband respected her last wish for the first three months, but then he met another woman and fell in love with her. They became engaged to be married.
Immediately after the engagement a ghost appeared every night to the man, blaming him for not keeping his promise. The ghost was clever too. She told him exactly what had transpired between himself and his new sweetheart. Whenever he gave his fiancee a present, the ghost would describe it in detail. She would even repeat conversations, and it so annoyed the amn that he could not sleep. Someone advised him to take his problem to a Zen master who lived close to the village. At length, in despair, the poor man went to him for help.
"Your former wife became a ghost and knows everything you do, " commented the master. "Whatever you do or say, whatever you give your beloved, she knows. She must be a very wise ghost. Really you should admire such a ghost. The next time she appears, bargain with her. Tell her that she knows so much you can hide nothing from her, and that if she will answer you one question, you promise to break your engagement and remain single."
"What is the question I must ask her?" inquired the man.
The master replied: "Take a large handful of soy beans and ask her exactly how many beans you hold in your hand. If she cannot tell you, you will know that she is only a figment of your imagination and will trouble you no longer."
The next night, when the ghost appeared the man flattered her and told her that she knew everything.
"Indeed," replied the ghost, "and I know you went to see that Zen master today."
"And since you know so much," demanded the man, "tell me how many beans I hold in this hand!"
There was no longer any ghost to answer the question.
 
2013-04-11 07:18:07 AM  

lewismarktwo: NC is now literally half Yankee yuppie scum transplants who go there to get away from things like having to pay workers a decent wage.


"My taxes are so low!! Why is my child's school so shiatty?"

They're not very good at putting two and two together, either.
 
2013-04-11 07:19:20 AM  

keylock71: neongoats: This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion

It's like saying bald is a hair style....

Love that one.


Um, bald is a hair style. Ask Yul Brynner or Telly Savalas.
 
2013-04-11 07:19:44 AM  

lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.


Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".
 
2013-04-11 07:20:46 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Outreach!


That's the hilarious part for me... These farking ass-backwards morons in the GOP just can't help themselves.

"Why won't you terrorist-loving, lazy, shiftless, criminals, who want nothing but handouts and drugs vote for Republicans?"

"...And what's up with these wetbacks? Why won't they support us? Just because we want to deport you en masse and shoot you doesn't mean you can't vote for us!"

"Don't even get me started on the queers wanting 'special ' rights... Those deviants should be flocking to the GOP."


The GOP doesn't get it, and they never will.
 
2013-04-11 07:21:30 AM  

neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".


No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.
 
2013-04-11 07:22:04 AM  

Misch: spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity to be the official state religion.

The clause of the Constitution which, while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity through the United States; and as every sect believes its own form the true one, every one perhaps hoped for his own, but especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists. The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes and they believe that any portion of power confided to me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly. - Thomas Jefferson


So the Founding Fathers did support abortion!
 
2013-04-11 07:22:35 AM  
What do we expect from a government who recently adopted "In God we trust" as a motto?

Is anybody under any illusion about which deity they were thinking of when they adopted that?
 
2013-04-11 07:23:20 AM  

kronicfeld: spongeboob: I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion. I don't think any atheist will admit that.

Is that like "admitting" that rain falls up?


pfft... I would never admit to that. Everyone knows that rain falls sideways!
 
2013-04-11 07:23:25 AM  

digistil: miss diminutive: The fact that this woman is an elected official and has any sort of power or influence at all is incredibly disturbing.

You've obviously never visited the South.


I've passed through several times, never long enough to get a good look at the electoral process.

Based on what I keep reading, it appears they've adopted the "whoever picks the smallest pickle from the jar" method of selection.
 
2013-04-11 07:23:39 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: is she just a regular republican idiot or tea party republican idiot?


LOL it's cute that you think there's a difference.
 
2013-04-11 07:24:59 AM  

lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief.


Um, no it isn't.
 
2013-04-11 07:25:15 AM  

Joce678: Um, bald is a hair style. Ask Yul Brynner or Telly Savalas.


I'm just going to give you a few minutes to think about what you just posted...
 
2013-04-11 07:29:23 AM  

jso2897: The Subjugation of a Ghost


That's the first time I've ever seen this little story. Thanks for that. :)
 
2013-04-11 07:30:29 AM  

Joce678: What do we expect from a government who recently adopted "In God we trust" as a motto?

Is anybody under any illusion about which deity they were thinking of when they adopted that?


I'm trying to think of a religion that embodies the disparate concepts of "detached from humanity", "armchair warrior", "greed", "hate", "hypocrite", "ignorant", and "convinced of their own infallibility", but amazingly, the Christians created for themselves something unique and special in human history.

Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul put together might equate to U.S. fundamentalists. We just need Cyric to slay jesus and take over his portfolio.
 
2013-04-11 07:32:37 AM  
Presnell represents Burnsville, a small, community way up in the mountains of WNC. The whole county is 96.9% white according to the latest census information. I doubt many residents of Yancey County have even seen a Muslim, much less spoken with one.

But basically, Presnell represents these types of backwoods bigoted rednecks quite well.
 
2013-04-11 07:34:15 AM  

Lackofname: spongeboob: Just today I was thinking

If you told the average American that a political candidate's religion was
A middle Eastern religion that believe that all people were evil and that they long. for the day that their deity destroyed the world and the people in it except for their fellow believers, that young children who died would spend eternity being tortured unless they had undergone a magical ritual.

Would the average American vote for that candidate?

Dude, I don't think the average American would even vote for an atheist.


I think the American populace has voted plenty of atheists into office. Just as we've voted into office plenty of gay Republican senators.
 
2013-04-11 07:34:24 AM  

b0rscht: I WILL EAT YOUR FACE

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2013-04-11 07:37:04 AM  

catmandu: FTA: "The North Carolina measure responds to the ACLU suit by declaring that each state is "sovereign" and no federal court can prevent a state from "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." "

Ummmm, isn't accepting the US Constitution a condition of becoming one of the United States?


Since a blah, muslin, Democratic (excuse me, demonrat) president is in charge they feel free to ignore such conditions.
 
2013-04-11 07:38:06 AM  

hinten: You know which country acknowledges Christian religion in their constitutional preamble?
You know which country opts-in its citizen into a Christian church tax via the federal income tax process?
You know which country offers 1h minimum in religion class per week in public schools?


Now ask yourself, which country has more overzealous Christians than the country in the questions above?


Huh? The US has more Jews than Israel. It's a big country. Lots of people.
 
2013-04-11 07:38:21 AM  
Welp, at least he's not a hypocrite.
 
2013-04-11 07:39:00 AM  
Or she even.
 
2013-04-11 07:40:50 AM  

Alphax: And you claim this, why?


Because of the roving gangs of atheists who bust into churches during services, tear the mike out of the pastor's hands and launch into a Henry Rollins-esque diatribe until everyone in the building stops believing in Jesus. They're all over the place, these atheists, forcing other people to listen to them.
 
2013-04-11 07:41:25 AM  

Joce678: What do we expect from a government who recently adopted "In God we trust" as a motto?

Is anybody under any illusion about which deity they were thinking of when they adopted that?


Lucifer?
 
2013-04-11 07:42:56 AM  

jso2897: neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".

No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.


Smart atheists know when someone is baiting them, but I forgive you, just like Jesus Christ will forgive your sins if you accept him into your heart.
 
2013-04-11 07:42:58 AM  

mamoru: lucksi: Is there any country where I can get some freedom FROM religion?

I've lived in and visited a few countries around the world, and so far I have to say that, as an atheist, Japan has been the most comfortable for my lack of belief. This is having lived in the US (various places all over the east coast), Japan, Morocco, and now Thailand, as well as visiting England, France, Spain, Malaysia, and Indonesia. The only country I've lived in where anyone has made an issue of my lack of belief, trying to "save" me or damning me to hell, was the USA. Even in Morocco, a Muslim country, no one really cared that I was an atheist. I had several conversations that went something like this:

Moroccan: "Can I ask, are you a Christian?"
Me: "Nope. I'm not religious."
Moroccan: "Ever thought about converting to Islam?"
Me: "Nope."
Moroccan: "Do you believe in God?"
Me: "Nope. Sorry." (expecting that it might bother that person)
Moroccan: "Ah, no problem. So... hungry?"
Me: "Sure. I could use something to eat."
Moroccan: "Me, too. Let's go get some food."

But I digress.

There may be places better than Japan for an atheist to live, but if you like Japanese food, modern conveniences, great public transport, Japanese women, etc. or are interested in Japanese culture, then I highly recommend it. ;)



I always liked that, for the majority of Japan, their relationship to religion is basically "eh, it's where ritual comes from" and they do the Shinto rituals for birth (and luck) and the Christian ones for marriage and the Buddhist ones for death, but never really think of it past "that thing you do for X event"
 
2013-04-11 07:45:15 AM  
The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.
 
2013-04-11 07:45:24 AM  

catmandu: FTA: "The North Carolina measure responds to the ACLU suit by declaring that each state is "sovereign" and no federal court can prevent a state from "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." "

Ummmm, isn't accepting the US Constitution a condition of becoming one of the United States?


And, oh, might just be written into OUR FARKING STATE CONSTITUTION, YOU THEOCRATIC NEOCONFEDERATE SHIATWADS!!!

Sec. 5.  Allegiance to the United States.

Every citizen of this State owes paramount allegiance to the Constitution and government of the United States, and no law or ordinance of the State in contravention or subversion thereof can have any binding force.


Oh, it turns out this asshole is from Burnsville - right across the Pisgah Forest from Billy Graham's complex.  Imagine my surprise.

Now, who was it in a thread last week that was trying to say Asheville was super-liberal like Chapel Hill?

/I didn't vote for a single damn R in November, can't blame me
 
2013-04-11 07:47:44 AM  

TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.


I'm trying to parse this in a way that makes sense, and not finding a way.
 
2013-04-11 07:48:16 AM  

TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.


And the only thing more annoying than either of them are people who mistake "you can't systematically use government to force your religion on people" as "atheists forcing their beliefs on poor innocent jesusy folks"

Congrats.
 
2013-04-11 07:49:30 AM  

spyderqueen: mamoru: lucksi: Is there any country where I can get some freedom FROM religion?

I've lived in and visited a few countries around the world, and so far I have to say that, as an atheist, Japan has been the most comfortable for my lack of belief. This is having lived in the US (various places all over the east coast), Japan, Morocco, and now Thailand, as well as visiting England, France, Spain, Malaysia, and Indonesia. The only country I've lived in where anyone has made an issue of my lack of belief, trying to "save" me or damning me to hell, was the USA. Even in Morocco, a Muslim country, no one really cared that I was an atheist. I had several conversations that went something like this:

Moroccan: "Can I ask, are you a Christian?"
Me: "Nope. I'm not religious."
Moroccan: "Ever thought about converting to Islam?"
Me: "Nope."
Moroccan: "Do you believe in God?"
Me: "Nope. Sorry." (expecting that it might bother that person)
Moroccan: "Ah, no problem. So... hungry?"
Me: "Sure. I could use something to eat."
Moroccan: "Me, too. Let's go get some food."

But I digress.

There may be places better than Japan for an atheist to live, but if you like Japanese food, modern conveniences, great public transport, Japanese women, etc. or are interested in Japanese culture, then I highly recommend it. ;)


I always liked that, for the majority of Japan, their relationship to religion is basically "eh, it's where ritual comes from" and they do the Shinto rituals for birth (and luck) and the Christian ones for marriage and the Buddhist ones for death, but never really think of it past "that thing you do for X event"


A lot of this comes from American post-war efforts to demilitarize Shinto, which had been heavily appropriated for politico-military use.  Take a look at the 1945 'Directive for the Disestablishment of State Shinto"; it was the roadmap for removing religion as an instrument of nationalism in Japan.
 
2013-04-11 07:50:02 AM  

cman: AdolfOliverPanties: [i.huffpost.com image 570x238]

And yet she is still somehow uglier on the inside.

/They may be gnarled and yellowed, but she has a full compliment of teeth, unlike most of her constituency.

She looks English

iats not just the teeth that gave her away. It is her facial features


Can I just threadshiat for a second

I am SO bored of the "English have bad teeth" stereotype .. at leat we farking have teeth and not a row of brilliantine gravestones that look completely farking creepy.

You Yanks are so obsessed with manufactured beauty.. Hair, tits, teeth everything that can be man made are the bits you look at.. for god's sake we wouldn't even have plastic surgery if it wasn't for your insane idea that nature can be improved upon.. that a wrinkle is an abomination .. your porn sucks because of all this which is obviously a shame.

And don't get me started on the "English are emotionally underdeveloped like farking Hugh Grant!" .. Coming from a Country that pumps out films with people being shot in the face but woooahh nelly! if someone gets their tits out.

In conclusion.. You all spend stupid money making your teeth look like that AND THEN THINK IT'S NORMAL... Jesus, I bet it's the same logic that makes everyone put jackets on their dogs these days!
 
2013-04-11 07:50:20 AM  

UNC_Samurai: A lot of this comes from American post-war efforts to demilitarize Shinto, which had been heavily appropriated for politico-military use.  Take a look at the 1945 'Directive for the Disestablishment of State Shinto"; it was the roadmap for removing religion as an instrument of nationalism in Japan.


It'd be nice if we could do that here.
 
2013-04-11 07:50:44 AM  

neongoats: TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.

And the only thing more annoying than either of them are people who mistake "you can't systematically use government to force your religion on people" as "atheists forcing their beliefs on poor innocent jesusy folks"

Congrats.


I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together at Osama's Homobortion Pot-n-Commie Jizzporium.
 
2013-04-11 07:50:53 AM  

lewismarktwo: jso2897: neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".

No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.

Smart atheists know when someone is baiting them, but I forgive you, just like Jesus Christ will forgive your sins if you accept him into your heart.


Well, I'm no master baiter, that's for sure. But the last I heard from Jesus, he told his followers to go practice their religion in private - so I have to assume that anyone who publicly trumpets that they are a "Christian" isn't a very good one.
By the way - your remarks indicate that you think I am an "atheist" (whatever that means) - is there some reason you think that? Or is it just an assumption you make abouit anyone who is amused by the spectacle of so-called "Christians" waving their alleged faith around in public like some flasher waving his dick?
 
2013-04-11 07:51:33 AM  
The suggested bill is pretty much the purest example of an unconstitutional law I've ever seen. Other than maybe a law requiring citizens to quarter soldiers in their homes.
 
2013-04-11 07:53:08 AM  

Mrfusticle: You Yanks are so obsessed with manufactured beauty.. Hair, tits, teeth everything that can be man made are the bits you look at.. for god's sake we wouldn't even have plastic surgery if it wasn't for your insane idea that nature can be improved upon.. that a wrinkle is an abomination .. your porn sucks because of all this which is obviously a shame.


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I was introduced to this book in a History of American Business class; I highly recommend it.  We've been doing this shiat for so long we don't even think about it.
 
2013-04-11 07:54:19 AM  
http://igg.me/at/webackmac38/x/2513157

The above link takes you to an Indiegogo fundraiser for my anticipated 2014 campaign seeking election to North Carolina's House of Representatives.  In 2010 the GOP gained a majority in both houses of our state legislature, just in time to gerrymander legislative districts and solidify their position.  Now, as you can see, they're striving to make their ideology our law.

Wherever your views on the political system may lie, I hope you'll agree that no law should be based on someone else's morals.  The type of overreach taking place here undermines faith in our system... and if it can happen here today, it can happen anywhere tomorrow.  So if you're asking yourself "Why should I care?  I don't live in North Carolina," keep in mind that until a very short time ago, this was seen as a solid blue state when it came to state government and elections.  The issues at stake here are all too real, and the time for action - action restoring a practical, pragmatic, forward thinking, common sense approach to government - has come.  It's time for common sense to trump nonsense.

The odds are against me.  My opposition has a huge money advantage, and Republicans outspent Democrats by a 2-to-1+ margin statewide last year.  So anything you could do to help financially would be appreciated.  A contribution would give our effort a tremendous boost, raising the initial funds we'll need to launch a competitive, informative campaign.
 
2013-04-11 07:54:29 AM  
Go through this thread.

Replace "atheist" with "christian" and "christian" with "muslim" and suddenly it looks like your local teaparty meeting.


B b but muh dont like christians and tryin' to feel edgy!
Congrats turd nuggets youve joined the very same club of the people you profess to hate.
 
2013-04-11 07:54:30 AM  
Mrfusticle:In conclusion.. You all spend stupid money making your teeth look like that AND THEN THINK IT'S NORMAL... Jesus, I bet it's the same logic that makes everyone put jackets on their dogs these days!

I live in South Carolina, but frequently work in NC.  I can honesty tell you that there are large parts of that state which do not, in point of fact, spend money on their tooth.
 
2013-04-11 07:55:04 AM  
Mrfusticle:  .. your porn sucks because of all this which is obviously a shame.

In conclusion.. You all spend stupid money making your teeth look like that AND THEN THINK IT'S NORMAL... Jesus, I bet it's the same logic that makes everyone put jackets on their dogs these days!


Yeah I agree, I do not enjoy porn that has boobies that are more like balloonies.
 
2013-04-11 07:55:32 AM  

Mrfusticle: I am SO bored of the "English have bad teeth" stereotype .. at leat we farking have teeth and not a row of brilliantine gravestones that look completely farking creepy.

You Yanks are so obsessed with manufactured beauty..


And, I'm so bored of people confusing insecurity with insight.
 
2013-04-11 07:55:40 AM  
My religion deserves respect and reverence

Your religion is a vile abomination


/I can't see any problems with that
//Nope, seems fairly straightforward
 
2013-04-11 07:55:52 AM  

UNC_Samurai: neongoats: TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.

And the only thing more annoying than either of them are people who mistake "you can't systematically use government to force your religion on people" as "atheists forcing their beliefs on poor innocent jesusy folks"

Congrats.

I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together at Osama's Homobortion Pot-n-Commie Jizzporium.


That sounds fun, will there be a Festivus pole there?
 
2013-04-11 07:56:10 AM  

TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.


By definition, wouldn't both be exactly, identically as annoying, and for the exact, same reason?
That's always been my take on it.
 
2013-04-11 07:57:07 AM  

TheGregiss: Go through this thread.

Replace "atheist" with "christian" and "christian" with "muslim" and suddenly it looks like your local teaparty meeting.


B b but muh dont like christians and tryin' to feel edgy!
Congrats turd nuggets youve joined the very same club of the people you profess to hate.


I guess it looks like that, if you understand nothing.
 
2013-04-11 07:57:16 AM  
Back on subject:

She is hot stuff!
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\Yes, my favourite porn is Necrophillic zoo pissing parties, what of it?
 
2013-04-11 07:58:32 AM  

spyderqueen: I always liked that, for the majority of Japan, their relationship to religion is basically "eh, it's where ritual comes from" and they do the Shinto rituals for birth (and luck) and the Christian ones for marriage and the Buddhist ones for death, but never really think of it past "that thing you do for X event"


Eh. Most westerners who self identify as religious are only in it for the ritual as well, hell I'd go so far as to say most priests, deacons, ministers etc are in it for the ritual rather than a actual belief in a personal god. The thing is they like and even feel that they need the ritual in their life and in order to get it they need to keep up the pretense that they believe in magic.
 
2013-04-11 07:59:13 AM  

jso2897: lewismarktwo: jso2897: neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".

No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.

Smart atheists know when someone is baiting them, but I forgive you, just like Jesus Christ will forgive your sins if you accept him into your heart.

Well, I'm no master baiter, that's for sure. But the last I heard from Jesus, he told his followers to go practice their religion in private - so I have to assume that anyone who publicly trumpets that they are a "Christian" isn't a very good one.
By the way - your remarks indicate that you think I am an "atheist" (whatever that means) - is there some reason you think that? Or is it just an assumption you make abouit anyone who is amused by the spectacle of so-called "Christians" waving their alleged faith around in public like some flasher waving his dick?


So you're not smarter than me?
 
2013-04-11 07:59:56 AM  
Religion is like guns and penises.
It's OK to have one.
It's OK to be proud of it.
Don't whip it out and wave it around at a polling place, a legislature, a school, a bank, the mall, etc. etc.
 
2013-04-11 08:00:50 AM  

eraser8: Mrfusticle: I am SO bored of the "English have bad teeth" stereotype .. at leat we farking have teeth and not a row of brilliantine gravestones that look completely farking creepy.

You Yanks are so obsessed with manufactured beauty..

And, I'm so bored of people confusing insecurity with insight.


That's funny because I'm bored of po-faced internetlectuals who wouldn't know a joke if it spanked their ample behinds
 
2013-04-11 08:01:18 AM  
I will once again point out that this is all smoke and mirrors - they're tossing some absolutely inane ideas out there so the two voting bills won't look bad.

One of the voting bills actually hits more than just dems hard, though - they want to make it so that if your college kid votes where his college is, you can't claim him as a dependant for tax purposes.

The other one is just the old voting ID one, which plenty of people have pointed out is a solution in search of a problem (voting occurring less often than people getting hit by lightning and all)
 
2013-04-11 08:02:31 AM  

Mrfusticle: eraser8: Mrfusticle: I am SO bored of the "English have bad teeth" stereotype .. at leat we farking have teeth and not a row of brilliantine gravestones that look completely farking creepy.

You Yanks are so obsessed with manufactured beauty..

And, I'm so bored of people confusing insecurity with insight.

That's funny because I'm bored of po-faced internetlectuals who wouldn't know a joke if it spanked their ample behinds


I don't care.
 
2013-04-11 08:03:21 AM  

mactheknife: http://igg.me/at/webackmac38/x/2513157

The above link takes you to an Indiegogo fundraiser for my anticipated 2014 campaign seeking election to North Carolina's House of Representatives.  In 2010 the GOP gained a majority in both houses of our state legislature, just in time to gerrymander legislative districts and solidify their position.  Now, as you can see, they're striving to make their ideology our law.

Wherever your views on the political system may lie, I hope you'll agree that no law should be based on someone else's morals.  The type of overreach taking place here undermines faith in our system... and if it can happen here today, it can happen anywhere tomorrow.  So if you're asking yourself "Why should I care?  I don't live in North Carolina," keep in mind that until a very short time ago, this was seen as a solid blue state when it came to state government and elections.  The issues at stake here are all too real, and the time for action - action restoring a practical, pragmatic, forward thinking, common sense approach to government - has come.  It's time for common sense to trump nonsense.

The odds are against me.  My opposition has a huge money advantage, and Republicans outspent Democrats by a 2-to-1+ margin statewide last year.  So anything you could do to help financially would be appreciated.  A contribution would give our effort a tremendous boost, raising the initial funds we'll need to launch a competitive, informative campaign.


I support the majority of your platform, but respectfully disagree about the gasoline tax.  Our highway maintenance budget is such that I don't believe we can afford a revenue decrease in the near future.  I-95 is really bad in some places, and parts of I-40 are the same way.  I would say it might have been possible had Easley not pillaged the Highway Fund, but we are all going to be paying for his mistakes for years to come.

neongoats: UNC_Samurai: neongoats: TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.

And the only thing more annoying than either of them are people who mistake "you can't systematically use government to force your religion on people" as "atheists forcing their beliefs on poor innocent jesusy folks"

Congrats.

I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together at Osama's Homobortion Pot-n-Commie Jizzporium.

That sounds fun, will there be a Festivus pole there?


Oddly enough, yes - the mod that helps run the Farktography contests has a Festivus pole.  Optimized for strength-to-weight ratio and everything.
 
2013-04-11 08:03:33 AM  
I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .
 
2013-04-11 08:04:59 AM  

lewismarktwo: jso2897: lewismarktwo: jso2897: neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".

No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.

Smart atheists know when someone is baiting them, but I forgive you, just like Jesus Christ will forgive your sins if you accept him into your heart.

Well, I'm no master baiter, that's for sure. But the last I heard from Jesus, he told his followers to go practice their religion in private - so I have to assume that anyone who publicly trumpets that they are a "Christian" isn't a very good one.
By the way - your remarks indicate that you think I am an "atheist" (whatever that means) - is there some reason you think that? Or is it just an assumption you make abouit anyone who is amused by the spectacle of so-called "Christians" waving their alleged faith around in public like some flasher waving his dick?

So you're not smarter than me?


I try to assume that everybody else is smarter than I am - it's safer that way. No one has ever screwed up by overestimating the intelligence of a potential competitor.
Anyway - does it really matter? All we are really talking about here is a silly woman who thinks it's acceptable to try to set up an official state religion - do you have a position on this, or did you simply come into the thread to inform the rest of us that we are great big poopy-heads? Frankly, I'm already well aware that I am a great big poopy-head, and don't care.
 
2013-04-11 08:05:12 AM  

Langdon_777: Joce678: What do we expect from a government who recently adopted "In God we trust" as a motto?

Is anybody under any illusion about which deity they were thinking of when they adopted that?

Lucifer?


If you put "God" on a currency, surely it is natural to assume the God referred to is Mammon?
 
2013-04-11 08:05:36 AM  

Lorelle: Nadie_AZ: If the Republican Party hopes to reach out to minority groups, it must clearly and forcefully repudiate such bigoted comments by its representatives," the group's National Legislative Director Corey Saylor said in a statement.

I'm just not seeing this happen.

It won't, mainly because bigotry is one of the ISLAMS core values.

FTFY

 
2013-04-11 08:05:57 AM  

zarberg: I will once again point out that this is all smoke and mirrors - they're tossing some absolutely inane ideas out there so the two voting bills won't look bad.

One of the voting bills actually hits more than just dems hard, though - they want to make it so that if your college kid votes where his college is, you can't claim him as a dependant for tax purposes.

The other one is just the old voting ID one, which plenty of people have pointed out is a solution in search of a problem (voting occurring less often than people getting hit by lightning and all)


What frightens me is, Howard Manning isn't going to be around forever; and when the times comes that he leaves his office, we're not guaranteed to have a Superior Court that will shoot down stupidity when someone inevitably sues over this.
 
2013-04-11 08:07:29 AM  
A democracy wherein you are given a choice between an educated authoritarian and an uneducated authoritarian is not a democracy.

I keep seeing people saying really stupid things, and most of them are elected Republicans. It's enough to destroy one's confidence in democratic governance.
 
2013-04-11 08:07:29 AM  

vudukungfu: Religion is like guns and penises.
It's OK to have one.
It's OK to be proud of it.
Don't whip it out and wave it around at a polling place, a legislature, a school, a bank, the mall, etc. etc.


Fark atheists™ take note as this applies to you.
 
2013-04-11 08:07:58 AM  

The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .


And yet you still wonder why all sane people see islam as bigoted and dangerous. Would it be bigoted to hate the rules of Rwanda? Best Korea? Pol Pot? Stalin? ect... Hating evil is not bigoted, tolerating it is a crime.
 
2013-04-11 08:08:09 AM  

neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.


Now the intolerant Atheist derp starts.

Okay, you know, I used to think that Atheists weren't religious, that they just didn't care about religion.

Then they start showing as much hatred and intolerance of others as many religions (like your "Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks" bit.

Then you start adding in ceremonies and rites, like unbaptism: Bill Maher performing an unbaptism

Then you start having church services and congregations of an Atheist Church: Sunday Assembly

Then you start writing books about how you're the only correct belief system and that everyone else is deluded and mentally ill and are mentally inferior to your belief system: The God Delusion

They even have had organized militant members, devoted to extermination of the worshipers of other beliefs: League of Militant Atheists

They have even adopted symbols to define their belief system:
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Sorry, Atheists, collectively, have derped out and created a full-bore religious belief system around denying religion, complete with congregations and worship services, dogmatic texts, symbols and rites/rituals.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck.  You've got symbols, texts defining your beliefs, places where you congregate to share your beliefs, groups of people of like belief who gather together out of this belief, rites and rituals performed by these people in these places, and symbols to define and publicly proclaim your beliefs with, and have even had violent militants.

If it sounds like a religion, talks like a religion, and acts like a religion, it's a religion.

Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion
 
2013-04-11 08:08:37 AM  

Gunslinger013: spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion.  I don't think any atheist will admit that.
Just like not collecting stamps is a hobbit.



FTFY
 
2013-04-11 08:09:09 AM  

xria: Langdon_777: Joce678: What do we expect from a government who recently adopted "In God we trust" as a motto?

Is anybody under any illusion about which deity they were thinking of when they adopted that?

Lucifer?

If you put "God" on a currency, surely it is natural to assume the God referred to is Mammon?


Please.

The vast majority of conservatives and Republicans have been worshipping Mammon for years.  Blatantly, too:

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/sadly, all our attempts at regulation are like the Ruby Knife; we have no way of stopping the Mammon machine
 
2013-04-11 08:10:24 AM  

xria: Langdon_777: Joce678: What do we expect from a government who recently adopted "In God we trust" as a motto?

Is anybody under any illusion about which deity they were thinking of when they adopted that?

Lucifer?

If you put "God" on a currency, surely it is natural to assume the God referred to is Mammon?


I stand correct. Lucifer always stood for freedom from authoritarian oppression.
 
2013-04-11 08:11:00 AM  
*corrected :p

Damn drunk farking.
 
2013-04-11 08:11:14 AM  

TheGregiss: Go through this thread.

Replace "atheist" with "christian" and "christian" with "muslim" and suddenly it looks like your local teaparty meeting.


B b but muh dont like christians and tryin' to feel edgy!
Congrats turd nuggets youve joined the very same club of the people you profess to hate.


Are you literally retarded, or just trolling?
 
2013-04-11 08:11:24 AM  
So few people understand what freedom of religion really means
 
2013-04-11 08:11:34 AM  

Egoy3k: spyderqueen: I always liked that, for the majority of Japan, their relationship to religion is basically "eh, it's where ritual comes from" and they do the Shinto rituals for birth (and luck) and the Christian ones for marriage and the Buddhist ones for death, but never really think of it past "that thing you do for X event"

Eh. Most westerners who self identify as religious are only in it for the ritual as well, hell I'd go so far as to say most priests, deacons, ministers etc are in it for the ritual rather than a actual belief in a personal god. The thing is they like and even feel that they need the ritual in their life and in order to get it they need to keep up the pretense that they believe in magic.



But even a lot of those Easter and Christmas Christians get bent out of shape when a politician says "Oh noes! We're being oppressed."  There's a lot less of that in Japan, where Shinto HAD been opressed.
 
2013-04-11 08:11:45 AM  

Silverstaff: neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.

Now the intolerant Atheist derp starts.

Okay, you know, I used to think that Atheists weren't religious, that they just didn't care about religion.



a·the·ismnoun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no GodI must have missed the definition where it says it's some sort of club
 
2013-04-11 08:12:24 AM  

Joe Blowme: The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .

And yet you still wonder why all sane people see islam as bigoted and dangerous. Would it be bigoted to hate the rules of Rwanda? Best Korea? Pol Pot? Stalin? ect... Hating evil is not bigoted, tolerating it is a crime.


I'm not sure how the justification, or lack thereof, for anyone's feelings regarding some religion or other relates to the issue of whether it is legitimate to try to institute an official state religion.
Are you arguing that that's OK if the religion in quetsion is a "nice" religion, but not if it's a "nasty" one? Would it be OK to institute Zen Buddhism as the official state religion? I'm not following you.
 
2013-04-11 08:12:45 AM  
Balls.. that what some html fail
 
2013-04-11 08:14:38 AM  

Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.


Some Farker once said that atheism is a religion in the same way that NOT collecting stamps is a hobby.
 
2013-04-11 08:14:58 AM  

Silverstaff: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck. You've got symbols, texts defining your beliefs, places where you congregate to share your beliefs, groups of people of like belief who gather together out of this belief, rites and rituals performed by these people in these places, and symbols to define and publicly proclaim your beliefs with, and have even had violent militants.


I don't engage in any of this and I'm an atheist.

Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

Evidence like a comedian performing an "unbaptism".
 
2013-04-11 08:15:03 AM  

Silverstaff: Then you start writing books about how you're the only correct belief system and that everyone else is deluded and mentally ill and are mentally inferior to your belief system: The God Delusion


Either you haven't read the God Delusion or you didn't comprehend it.
 
2013-04-11 08:15:52 AM  
A bit surprising that everyone seems to be swallowing the story as written.  Did no one else notice the general lack of quality / giant slant on the page's linked  articles?
 
2013-04-11 08:16:12 AM  

Mrfusticle: Silverstaff: neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.

Now the intolerant Atheist derp starts.

Okay, you know, I used to think that Atheists weren't religious, that they just didn't care about religion.


a·the·ismnoun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no GodI must have missed the definition where it says it's some sort of club


Being a former church goer I can safely say youre having a collective circle jerk about your beliefs.

which is essentially a religious gathering. Congrats guys, when do we pass the offering plate and have the potluck?
 
2013-04-11 08:16:14 AM  

Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion


2/10

Too wordy. You need to trim it down to, at most, two or three snappy sentences. See letrole's work for reference.
 
2013-04-11 08:16:22 AM  

Joe Blowme: Lorelle: Nadie_AZ: If the Republican Party hopes to reach out to minority groups, it must clearly and forcefully repudiate such bigoted comments by its representatives," the group's National Legislative Director Corey Saylor said in a statement.

I'm just not seeing this happen.

It won't, mainly because bigotry is one of the  ISLAMS core values of every major Abrahamic religion.

FTFY


FTFY
 
2013-04-11 08:16:39 AM  

spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion.  I don't think any atheist will admit that.


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2013-04-11 08:18:01 AM  

Biological Ali: TheGregiss: Go through this thread.

Replace "atheist" with "christian" and "christian" with "muslim" and suddenly it looks like your local teaparty meeting.


B b but muh dont like christians and tryin' to feel edgy!
Congrats turd nuggets youve joined the very same club of the people you profess to hate.

Are you literally retarded, or just trolling?


Pushing a religion into the government is exactly just as bad as someone being a smartass on a message forum.

Actually, no. The message forum guy is a thousand times worse!

Somehow.


Anyway, it is just easier to say that both sides are bad as a way of hiding from real discussion.
 
2013-04-11 08:18:23 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Silverstaff: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck. You've got symbols, texts defining your beliefs, places where you congregate to share your beliefs, groups of people of like belief who gather together out of this belief, rites and rituals performed by these people in these places, and symbols to define and publicly proclaim your beliefs with, and have even had violent militants.

I don't engage in any of this and I'm an atheist.

Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

Evidence like a comedian performing an "unbaptism".


Well, suppose it is. Are you asking that public officials should get up before a public assembly and affirmatively state that there is no god? Is anybody asking for that?
 
2013-04-11 08:18:44 AM  

TheGregiss: Mrfusticle: Silverstaff: neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.

Now the intolerant Atheist derp starts.

Okay, you know, I used to think that Atheists weren't religious, that they just didn't care about religion.


a·the·ismnoun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no GodI must have missed the definition where it says it's some sort of club

Being a former church goer I can safely say youre having a collective circle jerk about your beliefs.

which is essentially a religious gathering. Congrats guys, when do we pass the offering plate and have the potluck?


My point was that it doesn't matter how many examples of anti-theism you dredge up that doesn't make atheism change it's meaning.

/wurdz are hard
 
2013-04-11 08:19:05 AM  
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Michele, you ignorant slut
 
2013-04-11 08:19:19 AM  

TheGregiss: which is essentially a religious gathering.


Sure, much in the same way that my friend's weekly amateur soccer practice sessions are "essentially a religious gathering".
 
2013-04-11 08:19:27 AM  

Gig103: scottydoesntknow: The only "religious freedom" you want is the freedom to get rid of every other religion except yours, you coont.

Well said. Sad that she doesn't even see the irony in saying we need to protect religious freedom in the same breath she is condemning a religion.  How is it that our Founding Fathers were so on-the-ball about this stuff but we've regressed into stupid Christian bullshiat?


The short answer: Gerrymandering.

The longer answer: something about democracy, wolves, sheep, bread, and circuses.
 
2013-04-11 08:19:48 AM  

Silverstaff: They have even adopted symbols to define their belief system:


The Darwin fish was created during the height of the 'teach the controversy' nonsense as a way to show support for science education. It has nothing to do with Atheism. If you think that evolution is an atheist idea then you are dead wrong. It's a scientific fact*.

*Please please please don't be one of those 'It's only a theory' mouth breathers.
 
2013-04-11 08:20:59 AM  

Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion


It appears more likely that the belief that atheism is a religion is itself a religion.
 
2013-04-11 08:21:40 AM  

spyderqueen: I always liked that, for the majority of Japan, their relationship to religion is basically "eh, it's where ritual comes from" and they do the Shinto rituals for birth (and luck) and the Christian ones for marriage and the Buddhist ones for death, but never really think of it past "that thing you do for X event"


That is pretty much how it is for most people in the UK as far as I can tell - for a lot of people churches are places you do christenings, weddings and funerals in (if they aren't too expensive compared to doing them elsewhere), because it is tradition to do so. The actual breakdown is something like 30% of people are Christian (but most don't attend church regularly), 30% categorize themselves as Christian but also non-religious, and 30% claim no religion (the other ~10% is other religions like Muslims, Sikhs, and so on). Of the latter two groups, most would probably consider going to a church for one of the major Christian rituals as normal, in the same way that Christmas/Easter and so on are celebrated largely areligiously nowadays.
 
2013-04-11 08:21:54 AM  

TheGregiss: Go through this thread.

Replace "atheist" with "christian" and "christian" with "muslim" and suddenly it looks like your local teaparty meeting.

Let's try it:


Gig103: Well said. Sad that she doesn't even see the irony in saying we need to protect religious freedom in the same breath she is condemning a religion.  How is it that our Founding Fathers were so on-the-ball about this stuff but we've regressed into stupid Christian Muslim bullshiat?


spongeboob: On the plus side I would love to see the battle between different sects of Christianity Islam to be the official state religion.


spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist Christian lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist Christians would have to admit that atheism Christianity is a religion.  I don't think any atheist Christian will admit that.


mamoru: I've lived in and visited a few countries around the world, and so far I have to say that, as an atheist a Christian, Japan has been the most comfortable for my lack of belief. This is having lived in the US (various places all over the east coast), Japan, Morocco, and now Thailand, as well as visiting England, France, Spain, Malaysia, and Indonesia. The only country I've lived in where anyone has made an issue of my lack of belief, trying to "save" me or damning me to hell, was the USA. Even in Morocco, a Muslim country, no one really cared that I was an atheist a Christian. I had several conversations that went something like this:

Moroccan: "Can I ask, are you a ChristianMuslim?"
Me: "Nope. I'm not religious."
Moroccan: "Ever thought about converting to Islam?"
Me: "Nope."
Moroccan: "Do you believe in God?"
Me: "Nope. Sorry." (expecting that it might bother that person)
Moroccan: "Ah, no problem. So... hungry?"
Me: "Sure. I could use something to eat."
Moroccan: "Me, too. Let's go get some food."


Sorry, this just isn't working...

Oh, wait, we've got this gem:

TheGregiss: B b but muh dont like christians muslims and tryin' to feel edgy!
Congrats turd nuggets youve joined the very same club of the people you profess to hate.


Yeah, I kind of get your point... some people are just *ssholes and like to be rude to others.
 
2013-04-11 08:22:14 AM  

TheGregiss: Mrfusticle: Silverstaff: neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.

Now the intolerant Atheist derp starts.

Okay, you know, I used to think that Atheists weren't religious, that they just didn't care about religion.


a·the·ismnoun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no GodI must have missed the definition where it says it's some sort of club

Being a former church goer I can safely say youre having a collective circle jerk about your beliefs.

which is essentially a religious gathering. Congrats guys, when do we pass the offering plate and have the potluck?


Ok - granted, for the sake of argument - so which of them are demanding that the government affirmatively state that there is no god? I've never heard anyone ask for that.
 
2013-04-11 08:22:31 AM  

jso2897: HotWingConspiracy: Silverstaff: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck. You've got symbols, texts defining your beliefs, places where you congregate to share your beliefs, groups of people of like belief who gather together out of this belief, rites and rituals performed by these people in these places, and symbols to define and publicly proclaim your beliefs with, and have even had violent militants.

I don't engage in any of this and I'm an atheist.

Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

Evidence like a comedian performing an "unbaptism".

Well, suppose it is. Are you asking that public officials should get up before a public assembly and affirmatively state that there is no god? Is anybody asking for that?


I'm not asking anyone for anything.
 
2013-04-11 08:23:39 AM  

Silverstaff: neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

This cannot be repeated enough. Lack of belief in god(s) isn't a religion. Thats just the HURP!! strawman assholes use to try to justify their obeisance to stone age superstition.

Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks.

Now the intolerant Atheist derp starts.

Okay, you know, I used to think that Atheists weren't religious, that they just didn't care about religion.

Then they start showing as much hatred and intolerance of others as many religions (like your "Take the bone out of your noses, you primitive, savage farks" bit.

Then you start adding in ceremonies and rites, like unbaptism: Bill Maher performing an unbaptism

Then you start having church services and congregations of an Atheist Church: Sunday Assembly

Then you start writing books about how you're the only correct belief system and that everyone else is deluded and mentally ill and are mentally inferior to your belief system: The God Delusion

They even have had organized militant members, devoted to extermination of the worshipers of other beliefs: League of Militant Atheists

They have even adopted symbols to define their belief system:
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Sorry, Atheists, collectively, have derped out and created a full-bore religious belief system around denying religion, complete with congregations and worship services, dogmatic texts, symbols and rites/rituals.

If it walks like a duck, qu ...


Welcome to America, where I don't have to like your stone age, ignorant, bone in your nose, primitive ass. I just have to let you be a stone aged, ignorant, bone in your nose, primitive ass. Which I'm fine with. The difference is that, unlike the jesusy folks, "fundamentalist atheists" aren't trying to suborn the constitution and institute a state religion.

Call me when your anti-christian christians stop trying to institute a christian tyranny.
 
2013-04-11 08:24:56 AM  

ph0rk: Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

It appears more likely that the belief that atheism is a religion is itself a religion.


Why even argue the point? I'm content to allow others to tell themselves whatever story regarding my faith or lack thereof that gives them comfort. It doesn't actually change anything, you know.
 
2013-04-11 08:25:26 AM  

jso2897: lewismarktwo: jso2897: lewismarktwo: jso2897: neongoats: lewismarktwo: Sure in theory 'Atheism' is the mere lack of belief, but in practice you get a lot of intolerant assholes forcing their views (which can never be proven, making them a species of belief) on others.

Is this an education system thing, where you think schools teaching science is "atheists forcing their views on others", but teaching jesusy creationism is "freedom".

No. He just wants to cry about people he secretly suspects are smarter than he is.

Smart atheists know when someone is baiting them, but I forgive you, just like Jesus Christ will forgive your sins if you accept him into your heart.

Well, I'm no master baiter, that's for sure. But the last I heard from Jesus, he told his followers to go practice their religion in private - so I have to assume that anyone who publicly trumpets that they are a "Christian" isn't a very good one.
By the way - your remarks indicate that you think I am an "atheist" (whatever that means) - is there some reason you think that? Or is it just an assumption you make abouit anyone who is amused by the spectacle of so-called "Christians" waving their alleged faith around in public like some flasher waving his dick?

So you're not smarter than me?

I try to assume that everybody else is smarter than I am - it's safer that way. No one has ever screwed up by overestimating the intelligence of a potential competitor.
Anyway - does it really matter? All we are really talking about here is a silly woman who thinks it's acceptable to try to set up an official state religion - do you have a position on this, or did you simply come into the thread to inform the rest of us that we are great big poopy-heads? Frankly, I'm already well aware that I am a great big poopy-head, and don't care.


Oh, OK.
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2013-04-11 08:25:59 AM  

The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .


Or a Christian version of the Taliban.
 
2013-04-11 08:26:26 AM  

dickfreckle: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

More pedantically, a class of belief systems, including Randite Capitalism and Marxist Communism... neither of which is the Techno-Scientific Progressive Secular Humanist et cetera cluster that's currently prevalent in the West.

You're both wrong. Atheism is the absence of faith in gods. It's not a faith system or a philosophy or ideology or anything else.

Some Farker once said that atheism is a religion in the same way that NOT collecting stamps is a hobby.


I completely agree that there are a good number of people - I'm willing to bet the overwhelming majority are teenagers in the midst of their "you can't tell me what to do" phase, because I certainly went through it - that are the r/atheism type that think it's all about telling someone off on their Facebook page because they posted something with the word "blessed".  Or waiting for the moment when they sneeze, someone says "bless you", and they use that as their casus belli to go on an anti-religious rant.

I get severely annoyed by those people.  But those people aren't the ones that are trying to pass laws that make people's lives worse off.

I'm a realist.  My mother was an ordained minister, Disciples of Christ.  Perhaps it's because they weren't fire-eating Baptists or guilt-laden Catholics that I've never really had a problem with the existence of Christians.  They're always going to be there, and there's always a chance someone might want to say Grace before dinner.  I just quietly sit there and let them have their moment, while I make sure the proper amount of butter is on my hushpuppy.  I just want to make sure they aren't doing anything that infringes upon my rights or those of everyone else - like not being able to buy beer before noon on Sunday, or making sure responsible sex education is taught in our school system, or repealing a bullshiat amendment to the state constitution prohibiting certain people from getting married.

The people who look at the "I'm an atheist" attention whores and think they need to take the time to biatch about them before doing something about the actual Dominionists trying to ruin our nice things?  I think that falls into the "I'm glad you've found a way to feel superior to both" category.  And bless their hearts.
 
2013-04-11 08:26:28 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: jso2897: HotWingConspiracy: Silverstaff: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck. You've got symbols, texts defining your beliefs, places where you congregate to share your beliefs, groups of people of like belief who gather together out of this belief, rites and rituals performed by these people in these places, and symbols to define and publicly proclaim your beliefs with, and have even had violent militants.

I don't engage in any of this and I'm an atheist.

Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

Evidence like a comedian performing an "unbaptism".

Well, suppose it is. Are you asking that public officials should get up before a public assembly and affirmatively state that there is no god? Is anybody asking for that?

I'm not asking anyone for anything.


I didn't think so - I was just checking. See, the problem with this lady isn't what she believes - it's that she wants the state to affirmatively certify her personal beliefs as officially correct.
 
2013-04-11 08:26:45 AM  

NewportBarGuy: How the f*ck are these people not bagging sh*t at a CVS cash register?


They wouldn't qualify. Cashiering is a productive job that requires developing useful skills, thinking & problem solving, operating complex equipment, interpersonal interaction, and self discipline.

Politicians & bureaucrats aren't capable of those things; it's why they're politicians & bureaucrats.

See, one of our nation's greatest strengths is that we take the stupidest, most useless people around, and not only give them jobs, but also put them in charge.
 
2013-04-11 08:27:02 AM  

jso2897: ph0rk: Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

It appears more likely that the belief that atheism is a religion is itself a religion.

Why even argue the point? I'm content to allow others to tell themselves whatever story regarding my faith or lack thereof that gives them comfort. It doesn't actually change anything, you know.


On Fark? Because Fark. In Real Life(tm), "atheism is a religion" is only a poorly digested talking point, and if you press them on it most folks will give it up.
 
2013-04-11 08:27:12 AM  

Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion


Is your surname Letrole, by any chance?
 
2013-04-11 08:28:06 AM  
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2013-04-11 08:29:07 AM  

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Hahaha .. oh wow.. I didn't notice some Christian had made this joke much funnier... nice!
 
2013-04-11 08:29:32 AM  

Angry Buddha: berylman: She's still not as vile as representative Virginia Foxx.

Oh come on! That's a porn star, not an elected official.


I'm loling because a girl I went to high school with does porn under the stage name Chloe Foxxx.

Yes, you can find her videos on Redtube.
 
2013-04-11 08:29:36 AM  

jso2897: Joe Blowme: The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .

And yet you still wonder why all sane people see islam as bigoted and dangerous. Would it be bigoted to hate the rules of Rwanda? Best Korea? Pol Pot? Stalin? ect... Hating evil is not bigoted, tolerating it is a crime.

I'm not sure how the justification, or lack thereof, for anyone's feelings regarding some religion or other relates to the issue of whether it is legitimate to try to institute an official state religion.
Are you arguing that that's OK if the religion in quetsion is a "nice" religion, but not if it's a "nasty" one? Would it be OK to institute Zen Buddhism as the official state religion? I'm not following you.


Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.
 
2013-04-11 08:30:38 AM  

ph0rk: jso2897: ph0rk: Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

It appears more likely that the belief that atheism is a religion is itself a religion.

Why even argue the point? I'm content to allow others to tell themselves whatever story regarding my faith or lack thereof that gives them comfort. It doesn't actually change anything, you know.

On Fark? Because Fark. In Real Life(tm), "atheism is a religion" is only a poorly digested talking point, and if you press them on it most folks will give it up.


I'm not required to correct every foolish thing some fool believs, especially when it's not germain to the point under discussion. I don't want the leader of , say, my city council to start every session by proclaiming that there is no god, and that religion is bunk - nor do I want him leading it off with a prayer to some god or other - and that's the issue raised by TFA.
 
2013-04-11 08:30:41 AM  

jso2897: I didn't think so - I was just checking. See, the problem with this lady isn't what she believes - it's that she wants the state to affirmatively certify her personal beliefs as officially correct


Also a belief - she doesn't just believe in God, Jesus, and the other stuff, but rather that it is her responsibility to encrust that in the local government.

If no one has mentioned it before, the whole kerfluffle started over Christian prayer before Rowan county government meetings, which lead to an ACLU lawsuit. The bill is more of an end run around the lawsuit than attempt to set a state religion for NC. (Not that some wouldn't like a state religion).
 
2013-04-11 08:32:45 AM  

log_jammin: The bill, which was drafted by state Reps. Carl Ford (R-China Grove)

The people of the town are strange
And they're proud of where they came.


Whoa ho, Rep. Carl Ford!
 
2013-04-11 08:32:54 AM  

Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]


So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?
 
2013-04-11 08:33:28 AM  
Another stupid Christian Republican. But I repeat myself.
 
2013-04-11 08:34:06 AM  

jso2897: I'm not required to correct every foolish thing some fool believs, especially when it's not germain to the point under discussion. I don't want the leader of , say, my city council to start every session by proclaiming that there is no god, and that religion is bunk - nor do I want him leading it off with a prayer to some god or other - and that's the issue raised by TFA.


Sure, context matters. The nice thing is you can always just go with "ok, fine. you think it is a religion. Aren't those, like, protected by the Constitution or something?" And wait for the sputtering to begin.

Won't help in cases like this with an elected official, but little you can actually say will help here. You? We - this is my state too.
 
2013-04-11 08:34:17 AM  

Joe Blowme: jso2897: Joe Blowme: The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .

And yet you still wonder why all sane people see islam as bigoted and dangerous. Would it be bigoted to hate the rules of Rwanda? Best Korea? Pol Pot? Stalin? ect... Hating evil is not bigoted, tolerating it is a crime.

I'm not sure how the justification, or lack thereof, for anyone's feelings regarding some religion or other relates to the issue of whether it is legitimate to try to institute an official state religion.
Are you arguing that that's OK if the religion in quetsion is a "nice" religion, but not if it's a "nasty" one? Would it be OK to institute Zen Buddhism as the official state religion? I'm not following you.

Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.


It's OK to say anything you want on Fark, last time I checked, with the exception of using certain descriptive terms. Doesn't mean people are going to agree with you - and if you are going to get butthurt when you discover that your's is not the majority opinion, you may be a little to delicate for Fark.com.
 
2013-04-11 08:35:24 AM  

ph0rk: Gig103: scottydoesntknow: The only "religious freedom" you want is the freedom to get rid of every other religion except yours, you coont.

Well said. Sad that she doesn't even see the irony in saying we need to protect religious freedom in the same breath she is condemning a religion.  How is it that our Founding Fathers were so on-the-ball about this stuff but we've regressed into stupid Christian bullshiat?

The short answer: Gerrymandering.

The longer answer: something about democracy, wolves, sheep, bread, and circuses.


I think a good bit of it has to do with the fact that the men who founded our country did so before the Second Great Awakening.  The First one really put an emphasis on egalitarianism and was very anti-hierarchical.  The Second Great Awakening really got going after the Constitution had been written.  This was the one that swept through the South and developed the region's strong ties to a handful of Protestant denominations.  The Second Great Awakening also had postmillennialism at its core - a belief that the End Times™ were a-comin', and you had to not only get yourself right, but get society right.  It's no coincidence that this is also when Southerners start defending their "peculiar institution" using the argument about slavery being in the Bible.
 
2013-04-11 08:35:32 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?


They were athier than just about anybody!
 
2013-04-11 08:35:35 AM  
I tried to read through the comments on this one but it is too early and they are too random.

There really is not much more to say than this woman is an idiot but she represents her district which is probably also made up of xenophobic idiots also.
 
2013-04-11 08:36:34 AM  

ph0rk: jso2897: I'm not required to correct every foolish thing some fool believs, especially when it's not germain to the point under discussion. I don't want the leader of , say, my city council to start every session by proclaiming that there is no god, and that religion is bunk - nor do I want him leading it off with a prayer to some god or other - and that's the issue raised by TFA.

Sure, context matters. The nice thing is you can always just go with "ok, fine. you think it is a religion. Aren't those, like, protected by the Constitution or something?" And wait for the sputtering to begin.

Won't help in cases like this with an elected official, but little you can actually say will help here. You? We - this is my state too.


No it isn't. I live in California - on the coast, where this kind of shenanigan is rare. They go pretty light on the official religion stuff out here.
 
2013-04-11 08:36:35 AM  

UNC_Samurai: The people who look at the "I'm an atheist" attention whores and think they need to take the time to biatch about them before doing something about the actual Dominionists trying to ruin our nice things?  I think that falls into the "I'm glad you've found a way to feel superior to both" category.  And bless their hearts.


To be honest I get the impression more of them are basically running the tactic "Both Sides Are Bad So Legislate Christianity".
 
2013-04-11 08:36:53 AM  

Joe Blowme: Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.


Did that actually make sense inside your head when you posted it?
 
2013-04-11 08:37:45 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?


They were extremists and some of them may have been Atheist (Marx was definitely not an Atheist) but they were not Atheist extremists. Their actions were not a result of extreme in atheism (which is  not really a thing anyway the same as a number more zero than zero isn't a thing) and their goals were not to spread atheism.
 
2013-04-11 08:38:56 AM  

UNC_Samurai: I think a good bit of it has to do with the fact that the men who founded our country did so before the Second Great Awakening.  The First one really put an emphasis on egalitarianism and was very anti-hierarchical.  The Second Great Awakening really got going after the Constitution had been written.  This was the one that swept through the South and developed the region's strong ties to a handful of Protestant denominations.  The Second Great Awakening also had postmillennialism at its core - a belief that the End Times™ were a-comin', and you had to not only get yourself right, but get society right.  It's no coincidence that this is also when Southerners start defending their "peculiar institution" using the argument about slavery being in the Bible.


All part of the delicate multilayered derpcake that is the history of the Southern psyche.
 
2013-04-11 08:40:08 AM  

jso2897: Joe Blowme: jso2897: Joe Blowme: The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .

And yet you still wonder why all sane people see islam as bigoted and dangerous. Would it be bigoted to hate the rules of Rwanda? Best Korea? Pol Pot? Stalin? ect... Hating evil is not bigoted, tolerating it is a crime.

I'm not sure how the justification, or lack thereof, for anyone's feelings regarding some religion or other relates to the issue of whether it is legitimate to try to institute an official state religion.
Are you arguing that that's OK if the religion in quetsion is a "nice" religion, but not if it's a "nasty" one? Would it be OK to institute Zen Buddhism as the official state religion? I'm not following you.

Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.

It's OK to say anything you want on Fark, last time I checked, with the exception of using certain descriptive terms. Doesn't mean people are going to agree with you - and if you are going to get butthurt when you discover that your's is not the majority opinion, you may be a little to delicate for Fark.com.


LOL, i am a delicate flower. Would you suggest diaper rash ointment?
 
2013-04-11 08:40:58 AM  

UNC_Samurai: neongoats: TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.

And the only thing more annoying than either of them are people who mistake "you can't systematically use government to force your religion on people" as "atheists forcing their beliefs on poor innocent jesusy folks"

Congrats.

I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together at Osama's Homobortion Pot-n-Commie Jizzporium.


Now there is a holiday I can get behind. I'll bring cake.
 
2013-04-11 08:41:07 AM  

ph0rk: jso2897: I didn't think so - I was just checking. See, the problem with this lady isn't what she believes - it's that she wants the state to affirmatively certify her personal beliefs as officially correct

Also a belief - she doesn't just believe in God, Jesus, and the other stuff, but rather that it is her responsibility to encrust that in the local government.

If no one has mentioned it before, the whole kerfluffle started over Christian prayer before Rowan county government meetings, which lead to an ACLU lawsuit. The bill is more of an end run around the lawsuit than attempt to set a state religion for NC. (Not that some wouldn't like a state religion).


Their problem in the General Assembly is, we realized something when Speaker Tillis kept having to say, "Sorry, that bill is dead, it won't be even going to a committee," to these whackjob bills the rural mouth-breathers keep filing.  We know full well that the state's Republican Leadership is capable of recognizing several members of their party have gone off the deep end, but they're not doing a damn thing to stop it at the source.  They're letting these bills see enough daylight that it's making our state a laughingstock.  So just think when you hear them go into damage control mode, they're worse than the chumps from Rowan County because they recognize the stupidity but are either too lazy to completely quash it or they only care when it's bad PR specifically for them.
 
2013-04-11 08:41:57 AM  

jso2897: ph0rk: jso2897: I'm not required to correct every foolish thing some fool believs, especially when it's not germain to the point under discussion. I don't want the leader of , say, my city council to start every session by proclaiming that there is no god, and that religion is bunk - nor do I want him leading it off with a prayer to some god or other - and that's the issue raised by TFA.

Sure, context matters. The nice thing is you can always just go with "ok, fine. you think it is a religion. Aren't those, like, protected by the Constitution or something?" And wait for the sputtering to begin.

Won't help in cases like this with an elected official, but little you can actually say will help here. You? We - this is my state too.

No it isn't. I live in California - on the coast, where this kind of shenanigan is rare. They go pretty light on the official religion stuff out here.


Fine, your profile was nonspecific. My point is this is pretty close to home, so your hypothetical is our reality. And really, there isn't a damned thing I can do about Rowan county or Burnsville.
 
2013-04-11 08:42:21 AM  

Biological Ali: Joe Blowme: Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.

Did that actually make sense inside your head when you posted it?


Kinda, but i hit "add comment" anyway just to see if you were paying attention
 
2013-04-11 08:42:41 AM  

Joe Blowme: jso2897: Joe Blowme: jso2897: Joe Blowme: The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .

And yet you still wonder why all sane people see islam as bigoted and dangerous. Would it be bigoted to hate the rules of Rwanda? Best Korea? Pol Pot? Stalin? ect... Hating evil is not bigoted, tolerating it is a crime.

I'm not sure how the justification, or lack thereof, for anyone's feelings regarding some religion or other relates to the issue of whether it is legitimate to try to institute an official state religion.
Are you arguing that that's OK if the religion in quetsion is a "nice" religion, but not if it's a "nasty" one? Would it be OK to institute Zen Buddhism as the official state religion? I'm not following you.

Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.

It's OK to say anything you want on Fark, last time I checked, with the exception of using certain descriptive terms. Doesn't mean people are going to agree with you - and if you are going to get butthurt when you discover that your's is not the majority opinion, you may be a little to delicate for Fark.com.

LOL, i am a delicate flower. Would you suggest diaper rash ointment?


I would suggest saying what you think, and not worrying about whether other people like it. If you are confident in the rectitude of your own beliefs, state them and defend them, and don't whine about the fact that your views may prove unpopular.
But it's only a suggestion - by all means, do as you like.
 
2013-04-11 08:44:12 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Their problem in the General Assembly is, we realized something when Speaker Tillis kept having to say, "Sorry, that bill is dead, it won't be even going to a committee," to these whackjob bills the rural mouth-breathers keep filing.  We know full well that the state's Republican Leadership is capable of recognizing several members of their party have gone off the deep end, but they're not doing a damn thing to stop it at the source.  They're letting these bills see enough daylight that it's making our state a laughingstock.  So just think when you hear them go into damage control mode, they're worse than the chumps from Rowan County because they recognize the stupidity but are either too lazy to completely quash it or they only care when it's bad PR specifically for them.


I think the GOP is in a bind in states like this one, they are afraid to deal with the fundamentalist derp directly because of midterm election repercussions. I'm not sure I agree with their strategy, but then I would have divorced myself from the ultra-right wing a decade ago at the latest if I were the GOP leadership.
 
2013-04-11 08:44:40 AM  

UNC_Samurai: ph0rk: jso2897: I didn't think so - I was just checking. See, the problem with this lady isn't what she believes - it's that she wants the state to affirmatively certify her personal beliefs as officially correct

Also a belief - she doesn't just believe in God, Jesus, and the other stuff, but rather that it is her responsibility to encrust that in the local government.

If no one has mentioned it before, the whole kerfluffle started over Christian prayer before Rowan county government meetings, which lead to an ACLU lawsuit. The bill is more of an end run around the lawsuit than attempt to set a state religion for NC. (Not that some wouldn't like a state religion).

Their problem in the General Assembly is, we realized something when Speaker Tillis kept having to say, "Sorry, that bill is dead, it won't be even going to a committee," to these whackjob bills the rural mouth-breathers keep filing.  We know full well that the state's Republican Leadership is capable of recognizing several members of their party have gone off the deep end, but they're not doing a damn thing to stop it at the source.  They're letting these bills see enough daylight that it's making our state a laughingstock.  So just think when you hear them go into damage control mode, they're worse than the chumps from Rowan County because they recognize the stupidity but are either too lazy to completely quash it or they only care when it's bad PR specifically for them.


Sounds like you are describing congress... both sides
 
2013-04-11 08:46:07 AM  
Being a fiscial conservatice and a social moderate, I really know that I have no representation out there. Every other person is like this farking nitwit.
 
2013-04-11 08:47:03 AM  

ph0rk: jso2897: ph0rk: jso2897: I'm not required to correct every foolish thing some fool believs, especially when it's not germain to the point under discussion. I don't want the leader of , say, my city council to start every session by proclaiming that there is no god, and that religion is bunk - nor do I want him leading it off with a prayer to some god or other - and that's the issue raised by TFA.

Sure, context matters. The nice thing is you can always just go with "ok, fine. you think it is a religion. Aren't those, like, protected by the Constitution or something?" And wait for the sputtering to begin.

Won't help in cases like this with an elected official, but little you can actually say will help here. You? We - this is my state too.

No it isn't. I live in California - on the coast, where this kind of shenanigan is rare. They go pretty light on the official religion stuff out here.

Fine, your profile was nonspecific. My point is this is pretty close to home, so your hypothetical is our reality. And really, there isn't a damned thing I can do about Rowan county or Burnsville.


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2013-04-11 08:47:16 AM  

Egoy3k: Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?

They were extremists and some of them may have been Atheist (Marx was definitely not an Atheist) but they were not Atheist extremists. Their actions were not a result of extreme in atheism (which is  not really a thing anyway the same as a number more zero than zero isn't a thing) and their goals were not to spread atheism.


I'm not being a troll here, just ignorant. I thought one of the goals of communism was to create a society with out God. If I'm wrong please enlighten me.
 
2013-04-11 08:47:20 AM  

jso2897: Joe Blowme: jso2897: Joe Blowme: jso2897: Joe Blowme: The Name: I can't imagine why some people think all Republican voters are bigots . . .

And yet you still wonder why all sane people see islam as bigoted and dangerous. Would it be bigoted to hate the rules of Rwanda? Best Korea? Pol Pot? Stalin? ect... Hating evil is not bigoted, tolerating it is a crime.

I'm not sure how the justification, or lack thereof, for anyone's feelings regarding some religion or other relates to the issue of whether it is legitimate to try to institute an official state religion.
Are you arguing that that's OK if the religion in quetsion is a "nice" religion, but not if it's a "nasty" one? Would it be OK to institute Zen Buddhism as the official state religion? I'm not following you.

Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical" even though if you open you eyes and look arround its much more than that then the BIGOT lable comes out.

It's OK to say anything you want on Fark, last time I checked, with the exception of using certain descriptive terms. Doesn't mean people are going to agree with you - and if you are going to get butthurt when you discover that your's is not the majority opinion, you may be a little to delicate for Fark.com.

LOL, i am a delicate flower. Would you suggest diaper rash ointment?

I would suggest saying what you think, and not worrying about whether other people like it. If you are confident in the rectitude of your own beliefs, state them and defend them, and don't .
But it's only a suggestion - by all means, do as you like.


Thanks, but i dont recall "whine about the fact that your views may prove unpopular"  but to you it may have seemed that way, sorry for the confusion
 
2013-04-11 08:47:30 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?


Why should I?

Once again: Atheism means the absence of a belief in God it can be used to refer to Joseph Stalin and Larry Adler

You're thinking of anti-theism as evidenced by the anti-religious doctrines of the Soviet Union and Communist China

I get that it's a pain for you not to label your "enemy" as a positive movement but the prefix "A" means a lack of something not an actual thing.
 
2013-04-11 08:47:39 AM  

Joe Blowme: Not at all, my point is just that on FARk its ok to say all rebublicans or all christains or all cops but when you point out true evil, all the but but but justification of said evil comes out and then its " only a small % of them are "radical"


No, that isn't true.  Republicans are true evil.
 
2013-04-11 08:48:57 AM  

TheGregiss: The only thing more annoying than an evangelical christian is an evangelical atheist.

Stop trying to shove your beliefs onto other people.


Oh the irony
 
2013-04-11 08:50:22 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?

They were athier than just about anybody!


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Although once again I'm laughing at this line of thinking, because it proves People Who biatch About Marx Do So in Indirect Proportion to How Much Marx They've Read.  Marx fought against the Church of England because of the coercive laws the government passed on its behalf.  You know, like those insipid blue laws we haven't been able to get rid of in the American southeast.  Marx also recognized that religion was often an avenue for the working class to protest working conditions.

Remember, the full quote about opiate of the masses is:


"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

 
2013-04-11 08:50:29 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

Is your surname Letrole, by any chance?


Biological Ali: Silverstaff: Sorry, the evidence is clear that atheism is a religion

2/10

Too wordy. You need to trim it down to, at most, two or three snappy sentences. See letrole's work for reference.


Why the  hell is it that when I call atheists on their derp, on their acting like they are religious while doing all the things that religions do, I get called a troll?

No, I'm not a troll.  Yes, that's what I believe.  Yes, there are atheists who aren't full-derp doing these things.  I find it amusing that I can say something, support it with evidence, and be called a troll because I disagree with the atheistic groupthink.

Guess what, sometimes people you disagree with aren't trolls, they just disagree with you, and they aren't doing it to be contrary, it's because they have looked at the information and come to a conclusion you don't like.

There are a lot who are though, in the name of atheism do the same things that many do in the name of religion (intolerance ect.).  If you're going to go around and act like everyone who theistic is inferior to you, you will be treated the same as anyone else who goes full retard with their belief system.
 
2013-04-11 08:51:50 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Egoy3k: Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?

They were extremists and some of them may have been Atheist (Marx was definitely not an Atheist) but they were not Atheist extremists. Their actions were not a result of extreme in atheism (which is  not really a thing anyway the same as a number more zero than zero isn't a thing) and their goals were not to spread atheism.

I'm not being a troll here, just ignorant. I thought one of the goals of communism was to create a society with out God. If I'm wrong please enlighten me.


Some communist regimes have tried to promote atheism, but the things they did to promote atheism have nothing to do with the atrocities that they're known for today.
 
2013-04-11 08:52:15 AM  
Well, now I know what Alton Brown would look like in drag.
 
2013-04-11 08:52:22 AM  

Mrfusticle: I get that it's a pain for you not to label your "enemy" as a positive movement but the prefix "A" means a lack of something not an actual thing.


So much for an intelligent exchange between adults. I tried anyway
 
2013-04-11 08:53:13 AM  

Joe Blowme: Thanks, but i dont recall "whine about the fact that your views may prove unpopular" but to you it may have seemed that way, sorry for the confusion


No apolgies necessary - you don't have to explain yourself to me or anyone else.
Which was kind of my point, you see.
 
2013-04-11 08:53:42 AM  

TheGregiss: which is essentially a religious gathering


No. That is not a religious gathering.
 
2013-04-11 08:53:50 AM  

revrendjim: Here are your choices:

1. None of the religions in public spaces.

2. All of the religions in public spaces.


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2013-04-11 08:54:21 AM  

Biological Ali: Crewmannumber6: Egoy3k: Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x598]

So you're not counting Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin as athiest extremists?

They were extremists and some of them may have been Atheist (Marx was definitely not an Atheist) but they were not Atheist extremists. Their actions were not a result of extreme in atheism (which is  not really a thing anyway the same as a number more zero than zero isn't a thing) and their goals were not to spread atheism.

I'm not being a troll here, just ignorant. I thought one of the goals of communism was to create a society with out God. If I'm wrong please enlighten me.

Some communist regimes have tried to promote atheism, but the things they did to promote atheism have nothing to do with the atrocities that they're known for today.


Karl Marx was a Christian, and Marxism is largely derived from Christian values.
 
2013-04-11 08:54:40 AM  

spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: spongeboob: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Since we don't want to pray to terror gods, could an atheist lead a group chant thanking the building inspector for providing a well functioning place of meeting?

I guess in order to allow that, atheist would have to admit that atheism is a religion.  I don't think any atheist will admit that.

Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

When presented with a binary option (Is there at least one higher power that can be considered god-like?), the atheists look at existing observations and believe that there is no further explanation. Theists look at the same observations and believe that a higher authority is responsible for the complexity of life. Both are equally supported by philosophy. Atheists simply believe that the null hypothesis (ie no evidence suggesting a god has interacted with creation) is the standard. It's not a religion.

There. Now that's settled. We can stay on the topic of making fun of North Carolina.

The argument that I think Republicans would use
It is Freedom of Religion not Freedom of  a belief system, so if you want to be treated like a religion you need to be  willing to admit that atheism is a religion.


/shouldn't it be Best Carolina


You can't really be this stupid... Can you?
 
2013-04-11 08:54:46 AM  

Silverstaff: Why the hell is it that when I call atheists on their derp, on their acting like they are religious while doing all the things that religions do, I get called a troll?


Better, but still too long. Try to cut down on the "Why are you calling me a troll?" indignation act - that's unbecoming, even by troll standards.
 
2013-04-11 08:54:52 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Mrfusticle: I get that it's a pain for you not to label your "enemy" as a positive movement but the prefix "A" means a lack of something not an actual thing.

So much for an intelligent exchange between adults. I tried anyway


Difficult to have an adult exchange when the premise is so dumb
 
2013-04-11 08:55:55 AM  

TheGregiss: vudukungfu: Religion is like guns and penises.
It's OK to have one.
It's OK to be proud of it.
Don't whip it out and wave it around at a polling place, a legislature, a school, a bank, the mall, etc. etc.

Fark atheists™ take note as this applies to you.


Because we're out condescendingly trying to convert people? That's a laugh.
 
2013-04-11 08:56:06 AM  

mactheknife: So if you're asking yourself "Why should I care?  I don't live in North Carolina," keep in mind that until a very short time ago, this was seen as a solid blue state when it came to state government and elections.  The issues at stake here are all too real, and the time for action - action restoring a practical, pragmatic, forward thinking, common sense approach to government - has come.  It's time for common sense to trump nonsense.


Louisiana, for much of its history, was also somewhat blue. Hell, we created a nearly full-on socialist (Long) who had a real shot at national office before being killed. As recently as hurricane Katrina we had a Dem governor (that storm and her reaction cost her her job, which she deserved to lose, but still).

Back in Huey Long's day, the rubes voted for the candidate that was more likely to achieve in their interests. Now they do the opposite, propping up whatever candidate hates homos and wants a regressive state tax policy. The Fox/Limbaugh bombardment has succeeded in securing rednecks who will ignore actual policy in favor of emotional rhetoric.

New Orleans will always be blue, and not just because we have a large black population. Even the white people trend Dem. But the state as a whole is now very red for all the wrong reasons. It's not rich people voting out of rational self-interest. It's rubes voting for who has the catchiest rhetorical talking points, masking the actual numbers and policies, and then wondering why their candidate shuts down hospitals and cuts education, or nearly raising the sales tax (regressive) in order to eliminate state income taxes under the guise of being "revenue neutral." It's like standing in line to vote for being farked in the ass, and smiling about it.

I'm not saying that voting Republican = stupid. I'm just saying that so many people are doing it for all the wrong reasons. As you said, it's time for common sense to trump nonsense. Supporting someone because he or she wants an official state religion under the guise of "religious freedom" is but one of these follies.
 
2013-04-11 08:56:11 AM  

Silverstaff: neongoats: Uncle Tractor: abb3w: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Atheism is a belief system, not a religion.

Then you start adding in ceremonies and rites, like unbaptism: Bill Maher performing an unbaptism


You understand that Bill Maher is a comedian right? and sometimes does things for their comedic value.

Then you start having church services and congregations of an Atheist Church: Sunday Assembly

WTF is that?

Then you start writing books about how you're the only correct belief system and that everyone else is deluded and mentally ill and are mentally inferior to your belief system: The God Delusion

Not to mention the writings of many philosophers, scientists, anthropologists and folks like Thomas Jefferson. Yes, yes, of course, philosophy and science are actually just religions.

They even have had organized militant members, devoted to extermination of the worshipers of other beliefs: League of Militant Atheists

That was an arm of the Soviet State, just another way to enforce Soviet ideology. It ceased to exist in 1947. Bit of a stretch, don't you think?

They have even adopted symbols to define their belief system:
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Businesses and software products have logos, too. Ergo, they are, of course, religions.

Sorry, Atheists, collectively, have derped out and created a full-bore religious belief system around denying religion, complete with congregations and worship services, dogmatic texts, symbols and rites/rituals.

By the criteria you've given virtually every collective human endeavor is a religion. Sports, Politics, Science, Busine