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2013-04-10 08:34:31 PM
America.  fark yeah.
 
2013-04-10 08:39:04 PM

Alonjar: fusillade762: Alonjar: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Then how come it doesn't happen in other countries?  You know...places where all the crazies aren't heavily armed and there isn't a "gun culture" that encourages them to solve all their problems with their little bang bang toys?

[Citation needed]

List of countries by firearm-related death rate

Draw your own conclusions.

[www.southbayriders.com image 400x263]


www.washingtonpost.com

Better?
 
2013-04-10 08:39:34 PM

Kenny B: Gwinnett?

[i306.photobucket.com image 400x320]


My wife's friend lives out there.  She's always trying to convince us we need to buy a brick-front, vinyl-sided two story tract home out there because we can get a home that's twice as big as ours for half the money and spend our days in traffic.

I'm not interested.
 
2013-04-10 08:46:07 PM

Kenny B: Gwinnett?

[i306.photobucket.com image 400x320]


Looks like my next door neighbor's house.
 
2013-04-10 08:49:58 PM

ha-ha-guy: Awesome T-Shirt: The agency I volunteer for is probably the oddest. Police always respond to EMS calls because each ambulance is staffed by 1 medic, so when it comes time to transport the officer has to drive the ambulance.

So what you're saying is I whack some old lady on the back of the head, call 911, act like I'm a good citizen calling in a woman having a heart attack, and wait for my free unattended police cruiser to appear?


I can find no fault in your logic
 
2013-04-10 08:55:23 PM
 
2013-04-10 08:57:28 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Isn't Suawanee one of the more affluent of the methy communities on the Northeast side?


Yep.  Top 10 best cities to live in the US according to the local derp in the paper.

/all the local jobs adds say "Must speak Korean" or do not apply.
//USA USA right?
 
2013-04-10 08:58:26 PM

ha-ha-guy: sovereign citizens


The Court therefore feels some measure of responsibility to inform Defendant that all the fancy legal-sounding things he has read on the internet are make-believe...

Legal status of theories [Wiki]
 
2013-04-10 09:10:20 PM
Well obviously we need more guns.
 
2013-04-10 09:10:33 PM

fusillade762: Alonjar: fusillade762: Alonjar: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Then how come it doesn't happen in other countries?  You know...places where all the crazies aren't heavily armed and there isn't a "gun culture" that encourages them to solve all their problems with their little bang bang toys?

[Citation needed]

List of countries by firearm-related death rate

Draw your own conclusions.

[www.southbayriders.com image 400x263]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x450]

Better?


What's the overall murder rate?  Doesn't do much good if people kill each other just as often with other weapons.
 
2013-04-10 09:11:09 PM

Surool: Well obviously we need more guns.


The police thought so.
 
2013-04-10 09:12:04 PM

SubBass49: Seriously...

Attention suicidal dipshiats of America:   FARKING KILL YOURSELVES ALONE IN A DARK BATHROOM LIKE GOD INTENDED.

Enough of this, "I'm gonna take some innocent folks with me" bullshiat.  Swallow a box of rat poison...hang your pathetic self...slit your wrists in the tub, but for GOD'S SAKE DO IT ALONE!!!

NOT WITH YOUR KIDS.
NOT WITH YOUR LOCAL POLICE
NOT WITH YOUR SPOUSE
NOT WITH ANYONE ELSE'S SIGNIFICANT OTHERS

a-farking-lone!!!


Nice targeting of the intended audience there snappy.
 
2013-04-10 09:16:39 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: He wanted utilities back on.


How did he think this would work out in his favor? Seriously, when has a hostage situation ended with the suspect getting everything they demanded with no repercussions?

/Glad he's dead.
//Figured he'd be dead at the end of this; Gwinnett County cops generally don't fark around with this shiat.
 
2013-04-10 09:17:00 PM

Rhino_man: tenpoundsofcheese: lostcat: OK, now I feel weird beause when I started posting stupid stuff in this thread that guy was still alive, and now a few minutes later, I'm still sitting here at work and that guy is dead. That's kind of depressing.

Too bad there wasn't a non-lethal option for getting control of the situation. Everyone has bad days and stupid ideas.

Apologist for a person who threatens to kill cops and firefighters

Only on fark.

Wishing that a situation could be resolved by nonlethal means, so that the man could get his rightful day in court != apologizing.

No, you apologized for this guy with the "everyone has a bad day" line.

That is farked up.

 
2013-04-10 09:23:56 PM

PirateFuzzball: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: He wanted utilities back on.

How did he think this would work out in his favor? Seriously, when has a hostage situation ended with the suspect getting everything they demanded with no repercussions?


He probably just finished watching John Q.
No attempted murder charges, light sentence in exchange for what he wanted.
Taking hostages to get what you want is being a hero in Hollywood.
 
2013-04-10 09:25:29 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Then how come it doesn't happen in other countries? You know...places where all the crazies aren't heavily armed and there isn't a "gun culture" that encourages them to solve all their problems with their little bang bang toys?


You were saying?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/10/world/europe/mass-shooting-in-serb ia n-village.html
 
2013-04-10 09:27:44 PM
It makes sense that we're looking at passing more federal gun control, supposedly increased background checks, etc. -- because if we had only done that then maybe Adam Lanza wouldn't have been able to take firearms from someone who could pass one of these background checks.

Right?  That makes perfect sense.  Thats the solution!

England is a perfect example of how Gun Control prevents people from being killed:

www.justfacts.com


† Homicide data is published according to the years in which the police initially reported the offenses as homicides, which are not always the same years in which the incidents took place.

‡ Large anomalies unrelated to guns:

2000: 58 Chinese people suffocated to death in a shipping container en route to the UK

2002: 172 homicides reported when Dr. Harold Shipman was exposed for killing his patients

2003: 20 cockle pickers drowned resulting in manslaughter charges

2005: 52 people were killed in the July 7th London subway/bus bombings

Source:   http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

So, maybe we have a cultural difference and should look closer to the United States.   Such as Chicago, President Obama's home:

Number of people shot in Chicago in 2011:  2,217
Number of people shot in Chicago in 2012:  2,670
Number of people shot in Chicago as of March 25th, 2013:   369

^ This is undeniable evidence that gun control in Chicago is working wonders.


www.justfacts.com

I mean - obviously - guns must be killing people more than other completely legitimate products:

www.justfacts.com
 
2013-04-10 09:29:27 PM

OgreMagi: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Then how come it doesn't happen in other countries? You know...places where all the crazies aren't heavily armed and there isn't a "gun culture" that encourages them to solve all their problems with their little bang bang toys?

You were saying?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/10/world/europe/mass-shooting-in-serb ia n-village.html


Credibility leaves the discussion at "little bang bang toys"
 
2013-04-10 09:42:15 PM

pedrop357: fusillade762: Alonjar: fusillade762: Alonjar: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Then how come it doesn't happen in other countries?  You know...places where all the crazies aren't heavily armed and there isn't a "gun culture" that encourages them to solve all their problems with their little bang bang toys?

[Citation needed]

List of countries by firearm-related death rate

Draw your own conclusions.

[www.southbayriders.com image 400x263]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x450]

Better?

What's the overall murder rate?  Doesn't do much good if people kill each other just as often with other weapons.


I don't know why I'm doing all the heavy lifting here. If you have some evidence that the US doesn't have a bigger problem with gun violence than most other countries I'd love to see it.
 
2013-04-10 09:45:13 PM

fusillade762: pedrop357: fusillade762: Alonjar: fusillade762: Alonjar: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Then how come it doesn't happen in other countries?  You know...places where all the crazies aren't heavily armed and there isn't a "gun culture" that encourages them to solve all their problems with their little bang bang toys?

[Citation needed]

List of countries by firearm-related death rate

Draw your own conclusions.

[www.southbayriders.com image 400x263]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x450]

Better?

What's the overall murder rate?  Doesn't do much good if people kill each other just as often with other weapons.

I don't know why I'm doing all the heavy lifting here. If you have some evidence that the US doesn't have a bigger problem with gun violence than most other countries I'd love to see it.



How much of that gun violence is gang related?  I'd like to see a graph that shows the murders committed with legal firearms.
 
2013-04-10 10:09:58 PM

detritus: BarkingUnicorn: detritus: Notice the Charter Communications truck leaving?

"Welp, guess I didn't need to turn on our shiatty service for this guy after all!"

That van is full of cops.

No, it was a Comcast-branded pickup truck turning at the corner from the live feed.  Only one person in the vehicle, and looked like the typical contractor.


if that's the case, you konw the deceased will be getting billed for that site visit.
 
2013-04-10 10:19:27 PM

ohioccwdotorg: 2003: 20 cockle pickers drowned resulting in manslaughter charges


They seem to be cockle-picking their data.
 
2013-04-10 10:19:55 PM

Another Government Employee: Meanwhile, back in the City...

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/neighbors-throw-bricks-hammers- po lice-cars-over-al/nXHW7/



Saw that on the news. Don't know what they're mad about. That man was swinging at the cops. No surprise there was an ass whoopin coming shorlty thereafter.

/live outside Atl
//not far enough outside Atl.
 
2013-04-10 10:31:13 PM

ha-ha-guy: Some dipshiat sovereign citizen type that jumped the firefighters because they were "government agents" and came onto his property?


Wasn't his property.
 
2013-04-10 10:50:56 PM

Marine1: Russ Feingold's Brass Balls: lostcat: In other new: Tornados in Arkasnas.

Not really news, but this year's first salvo will be striking near me soon enough. Not really looking forward to it.

We're getting rocked with thunderstorms here in central Missouri. I'm not enjoying it.


A tornado hit another suburb of St. Louis tonight. This shiat is getting old.
 
2013-04-10 11:43:20 PM

fusillade762: I don't know why I'm doing all the heavy lifting here. If you have some evidence that the US doesn't have a bigger problem with gun violence than most other countries I'd love to see it.


The point is that our non-firearm homicide rate is higher than most countries total homicide rate.  The US is a violent country with and without guns, ie., the issue goes far beyond guns.

Some gun control happy countries have moderate to high non-firearm violence and/or murder rates.
 
2013-04-10 11:54:50 PM

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: wambu: Had the gunman been playing violent video games?

Actually yes he was

Odd since he was a democrat.

There are Democrats in Gwinnett County?

I think that's as big of a story as this!


You haven't been to Gwinnett in awhile, I'm thinking. Southwest Gwinnett is Latino immigrant central. To be fair, many of them aren't citizens and can't vote, but Gwinnett is more diverse than the U.S. as a whole these days. White folks are not the majority there.
 
2013-04-10 11:59:00 PM

ohioccwdotorg: It makes sense that we're looking at passing more federal gun control, supposedly increased background checks, etc. -- because if we had only done that then maybe Adam Lanza wouldn't have been able to take firearms from someone who could pass one of these background checks.

Right?  That makes perfect sense.  Thats the solution!

England is a perfect example of how Gun Control prevents people from being killed:

[www.justfacts.com image 673x458]


† Homicide data is published according to the years in which the police initially reported the offenses as homicides, which are not always the same years in which the incidents took place.

‡ Large anomalies unrelated to guns:

2000: 58 Chinese people suffocated to death in a shipping container en route to the UK

2002: 172 homicides reported when Dr. Harold Shipman was exposed for killing his patients

2003: 20 cockle pickers drowned resulting in manslaughter charges

2005: 52 people were killed in the July 7th London subway/bus bombings

Source:   http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

So, maybe we have a cultural difference and should look closer to the United States.   Such as Chicago, President Obama's home:

Number of people shot in Chicago in 2011:  2,217
Number of people shot in Chicago in 2012:  2,670
Number of people shot in Chicago as of March 25th, 2013:   369

^ This is undeniable evidence that gun control in Chicago is working wonders.


[www.justfacts.com image 673x453]

I mean - obviously - guns must be killing people more than other completely legitimate products:

[www.justfacts.com image 673x456]


Are you completely retarded? Did you not notice that the UK homicide rate was per MILLION and the U.S. rate was per 100,000? And that our homicide rate is more than 10 times theirs? A good bit of that is cultural difference, but the rest is the availability of guns.
 
2013-04-11 12:03:30 AM

Rapmaster2000: Kenny B: Gwinnett?

[i306.photobucket.com image 400x320]

My wife's friend lives out there.  She's always trying to convince us we need to buy a brick-front, vinyl-sided two story tract home out there because we can get a home that's twice as big as ours for half the money and spend our days in traffic.

I'm not interested.


THIS. I'll take my 1300-square-foot '50s ranch house just south of Chamblee that is a 15-minute drive from anywhere I'm ever likely to go (except the airport, and I'm a 10-minute drive from MARTA). I've got (wealthy) neighbors who are raising 3 kids in a house that size, just to avoid being part of the car-zombie tribe.
 
2013-04-11 12:09:19 AM

fusillade762: Alonjar: fusillade762: Alonjar: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Then how come it doesn't happen in other countries?  You know...places where all the crazies aren't heavily armed and there isn't a "gun culture" that encourages them to solve all their problems with their little bang bang toys?

[Citation needed]

List of countries by firearm-related death rate

Draw your own conclusions.

[www.southbayriders.com image 400x263]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x450]

Better?


what a crock of crap graph?
obvious propaganda?

why do i say that?

brazil has 3 times the gun murders as the US every year.

and they have strict gun ownership restrictions and fees (less than 1.5m licensed owners)

most of the guns are owned by criminals. law abiding citizens are helpless to defend themselves, against criminals or corrupt government.

the way the liberals want americans to live.
 
2013-04-11 12:12:17 AM

mbillips: Are you completely retarded? Did you not notice that the UK homicide rate was per MILLION and the U.S. rate was per 100,000?


If the charts were compared with one another, your objection would be meaningful. However, as each chart was intended to illustrate the apparent impact of the imposition of a firearm regulation, and not intended to compare data common to both charts, you are objecting to irrelevant information.

And that our homicide rate is more than 10 times theirs? A good bit of that is cultural difference, but the rest is the availability of guns.

United Kingdom homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants: 1.2.

1.2 per 100,000 * 10 = 12 per 100,000.

United States homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants: 4.8.

4.8 (United States homicide rate per 100,000)
You may wish to re-examine your premises, though I suspect that you will not do so.
 
2013-04-11 12:19:22 AM
mbillips:
Are you completely retarded? Did you not notice that the UK homicide rate was per MILLION and the U.S. rate was per 100,000? And that our homicide rate is more than 10 times theirs? A good bit of that is cultural difference, but the rest is the availability of guns.

legal gun ownership in brazil (pop ~195 million) is extremely low.

In Brazil, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is

2008: 18.11516
2007: 18.0
2006: 18.6
2005: 18.015
2004: 18.6
2002: 21.7018
1993: 10.5820

United StatesRate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
2011: 3.65
2010: 3.596
2009: 3.75679
2008: 4.01
2007: 4.19
2006: 4.29
2005: 4.18
2004: 3.97
2003: 4.11
2002: 4.11612
2001: 3.98
2000: 3.846
1999: 3.8868
1998: 3.378
1993: 7.07
 
2013-04-11 12:52:51 AM

Popular Opinion: mbillips:
Are you completely retarded? Did you not notice that the UK homicide rate was per MILLION and the U.S. rate was per 100,000? And that our homicide rate is more than 10 times theirs? A good bit of that is cultural difference, but the rest is the availability of guns.

legal gun ownership in brazil (pop ~195 million) is extremely low.

In Brazil, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is

2008: 18.11516
2007: 18.0
2006: 18.6
2005: 18.015
2004: 18.6
2002: 21.7018
1993: 10.5820

United StatesRate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
2011: 3.65
2010: 3.596
2009: 3.75679
2008: 4.01
2007: 4.19
2006: 4.29
2005: 4.18
2004: 3.97
2003: 4.11
2002: 4.11612
2001: 3.98
2000: 3.846
1999: 3.8868
1998: 3.378
1993: 7.07


So, wow, we've got Brazil beat on this one.

You know who else has more gun violence that the US? Any number of South/Central American and African countries. Your benchmark really isn't that impressive.
 
2013-04-11 01:06:24 AM

fusillade762: Popular Opinion: mbillips:
Are you completely retarded? Did you not notice that the UK homicide rate was per MILLION and the U.S. rate was per 100,000? And that our homicide rate is more than 10 times theirs? A good bit of that is cultural difference, but the rest is the availability of guns.

legal gun ownership in brazil (pop ~195 million) is extremely low.

In Brazil, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is

2008: 18.11516
2007: 18.0
2006: 18.6
2005: 18.015
2004: 18.6
2002: 21.7018
1993: 10.5820

United StatesRate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
2011: 3.65
2010: 3.596
2009: 3.75679
2008: 4.01
2007: 4.19
2006: 4.29
2005: 4.18
2004: 3.97
2003: 4.11
2002: 4.11612
2001: 3.98
2000: 3.846
1999: 3.8868
1998: 3.378
1993: 7.07

So, wow, we've got Brazil beat on this one.

You know who else has more gun violence that the US? Any number of South/Central American and African countries. Your benchmark really isn't that impressive.


my point is, legal availability to guns is not the biggest factor in the numbers.
there are far more legally owned guns in the US.
mostly criminals in brazil own guns, so the criminals are free to kill without fear of a homeowner defending himself.
like the liberals want here.
 
2013-04-11 01:42:47 AM

Popular Opinion: So, wow, we've got Brazil beat on this one.

You know who else has more gun violence that the US? Any number of South/Central American and African countries. Your benchmark really isn't that impressive.

my point is, legal availability to guns is not the biggest factor in the numbers.
there are far more legally owned guns in the US.
mostly criminals in brazil own guns, so the criminals are free to kill without fear of a homeowner defending himself.
like the liberals want here.


And my point was simply to address the assertion that the US has more gun violence than most other countries. The End. Full Stop.

I was not advocating any measures either way.
 
2013-04-11 02:22:11 AM

fusillade762: Popular Opinion: So, wow, we've got Brazil beat on this one.

You know who else has more gun violence that the US? Any number of South/Central American and African countries. Your benchmark really isn't that impressive.

my point is, legal availability to guns is not the biggest factor in the numbers.
there are far more legally owned guns in the US.
mostly criminals in brazil own guns, so the criminals are free to kill without fear of a homeowner defending himself.
like the liberals want here.

And my point was simply to address the assertion that the US has more gun violence than most other countries. The End. Full Stop.

I was not advocating any measures either way.


wrong again.

brazil, with a population roughly 2/3 the size of the US, has 3 times the number of gun related homicides yearly.

In the United States, annual firearm homicides total

2011: 11,1015
2010: 11,0786
2009: 11,49369
2008: 12,179
2007: 12,632
2006: 12,791
2005: 12,352
2004: 11,624
2003: 11,920
2002: 11,829612
2001: 11,348
2000: 10,8016


In Brazil, annual firearm homicides total

2008: 34,67815
2007: 34,147
2006: 34,921
2005: 33,419
2004: 34,187
2002: 34,08518
2000: 30,85519
 
2013-04-11 02:43:54 AM

Popular Opinion: fusillade762: Popular Opinion: So, wow, we've got Brazil beat on this one.

You know who else has more gun violence that the US? Any number of South/Central American and African countries. Your benchmark really isn't that impressive.

my point is, legal availability to guns is not the biggest factor in the numbers.
there are far more legally owned guns in the US.
mostly criminals in brazil own guns, so the criminals are free to kill without fear of a homeowner defending himself.
like the liberals want here.

And my point was simply to address the assertion that the US has more gun violence than most other countries. The End. Full Stop.

I was not advocating any measures either way.

wrong again.


Dude, re-read my statement. Just because ONE country has more gun violence than the US does not mean that the US has less gun violence than MOST countries. Especially ones that have comparable economies and levels of industrialization. This should not be a difficult concept. Just because you've managed to provide one example does not mean that I'm wrong.
 
2013-04-11 03:00:13 AM

fusillade762: Popular Opinion: fusillade762: Popular Opinion: So, wow, we've got Brazil beat on this one.

You know who else has more gun violence that the US? Any number of South/Central American and African countries. Your benchmark really isn't that impressive.

my point is, legal availability to guns is not the biggest factor in the numbers.
there are far more legally owned guns in the US.
mostly criminals in brazil own guns, so the criminals are free to kill without fear of a homeowner defending himself.
like the liberals want here.

And my point was simply to address the assertion that the US has more gun violence than most other countries. The End. Full Stop.

I was not advocating any measures either way.

wrong again.

Dude, re-read my statement. Just because ONE country has more gun violence than the US does not mean that the US has less gun violence than MOST countries. Especially ones that have comparable economies and levels of industrialization. This should not be a difficult concept. Just because you've managed to provide one example does not mean that I'm wrong.


sorry about that.

imho, most people would not use "The End. Full Stop." after a non specific wishy washy statement.
like saying we probably have...period!
 
2013-04-11 03:13:49 AM

A Shambling Mound: Thisbymaster: I bet he was the former owner of the house.  But no one is going to blame the banks, nope not one person.

No I'm not going to blame the f*cking bank, you idiot. Sure, it's possible (even likely) this guy's beef has to do with the foreclosure of his home but the bank did not take any hostages. He did.

Regardless of what drove him to them, his actions are his own. Hell, we don't even know why the bank foreclosed on him. You know sometimes they do that because you didn't pay for your f*cking house, not just out of spite or because they had the wrong lot number on some forms.




But for a bank calling 911...
 
2013-04-11 03:24:08 AM
If we lock up all the crazies, who will run our corporations?
 
2013-04-11 08:57:16 AM

StoPPeRmobile: If we lock up all the crazies, who will run our corporations?


THIS.

Read The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson (yeah, I know, his name sounds like a fake one made up by a 5th grader doing a crank call, but he's a really awesome author)
 
2013-04-11 09:38:21 AM

fusillade762: Popular Opinion: mbillips:
Are you completely retarded? Did you not notice that the UK homicide rate was per MILLION and the U.S. rate was per 100,000? And that our homicide rate is more than 10 times theirs? A good bit of that is cultural difference, but the rest is the availability of guns.

legal gun ownership in brazil (pop ~195 million) is extremely low.

In Brazil, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is

2008: 18.11516
2007: 18.0
2006: 18.6
2005: 18.015
2004: 18.6
2002: 21.7018
1993: 10.5820

United StatesRate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
2011: 3.65
2010: 3.596
2009: 3.75679
2008: 4.01
2007: 4.19
2006: 4.29
2005: 4.18
2004: 3.97
2003: 4.11
2002: 4.11612
2001: 3.98
2000: 3.846
1999: 3.8868
1998: 3.378
1993: 7.07

So, wow, we've got Brazil beat on this one.

You know who else has more gun violence that the US? Any number of South/Central American and African countries. Your benchmark really isn't that impressive.


Quick, quick!  MOOOOVE the goalposts before anybody sees!
 
2013-04-11 04:14:48 PM

Magnus: fusillade762: Popular Opinion: mbillips:
Are you completely retarded? Did you not notice that the UK homicide rate was per MILLION and the U.S. rate was per 100,000? And that our homicide rate is more than 10 times theirs? A good bit of that is cultural difference, but the rest is the availability of guns.

legal gun ownership in brazil (pop ~195 million) is extremely low.

In Brazil, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is

2008: 18.11516
2007: 18.0
2006: 18.6
2005: 18.015
2004: 18.6
2002: 21.7018
1993: 10.5820

United StatesRate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
2011: 3.65
2010: 3.596
2009: 3.75679
2008: 4.01
2007: 4.19
2006: 4.29
2005: 4.18
2004: 3.97
2003: 4.11
2002: 4.11612
2001: 3.98
2000: 3.846
1999: 3.8868
1998: 3.378
1993: 7.07

So, wow, we've got Brazil beat on this one.

You know who else has more gun violence that the US? Any number of South/Central American and African countries. Your benchmark really isn't that impressive.

Quick, quick!  MOOOOVE the goalposts before anybody sees!


I like how he included Chile in his "less gun violence than the US" because it supports his claim, but poo-poos Brazil since it doesn't.  I guess he considers Chile to have " comparable economies and levels of industrialization", but not Brazil, Columbia, Argentina, etc.
 
2013-04-11 05:39:18 PM

fusillade762: And my point was simply to address the assertion that the US has more gun violence than most other countries. The End. Full Stop.

I was not advocating any measures either way.


So it was a useless post then?

The US has more %THING% than most other countries.  That's all, just saying.  I'm out.
 
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