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2013-04-10 09:02:38 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-10 09:31:57 PM  
"Surrounding homes were quickly evacuated for the safety of other residents, Arnold added."

Fire?

Why would I leave my concrete home and go out into the open?
 
2013-04-10 09:32:31 PM  
What an asshole. While there are cops out there who probably would jump at the chance to shoot someone full of holes, I'd wager most of them would be happy to go their entire careers without killing someone.

If you want to die that bad, just shoot yourself. Don't lay it off on someone else.
 
2013-04-10 09:33:15 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: [upload.wikimedia.org image 393x401]


I remember that.  Classic.
 
2013-04-10 09:35:17 PM  
Ugh, shocked this made Fark. This is my friend's dad. :/ Seriously, mental health? Not a damn joke. We need to do better.
 
Ni
2013-04-10 09:38:34 PM  
In my city they would've driven a tank into the building, shot the man a few times, found his dog and shot that, then charged his wife, impounded his vehicles, and lit the house on fire.
 
2013-04-10 09:45:58 PM  
He wanted suicide by cop? Then he should have painted his face black and rode around in a pickup truck full of newspaper deliveries.
 
2013-04-10 09:46:52 PM  

Ni: In my city they would've driven a tank into the building, shot the man a few times, found his dog and shot that, then raped his wife, impounded his vehicles, and lit the house on fire.


How's That.
 
2013-04-10 09:47:11 PM  

Ni: In my city they would've driven a tank into the building, shot the man a few times, found his dog and shot that, then charged his wife, impounded his vehicles, and lit the house on fire.


Generally I think the SWAT people are way better than regular cops.
 
2013-04-10 09:47:32 PM  
Officers arrived at the home and could see Cowger walking through the home firing rounds from a handgun

Maybe he was just turning off the lights?
 
2013-04-10 09:51:46 PM  

bextraordinary: Ugh, shocked this made Fark. This is my friend's dad. :/ Seriously, mental health? Not a damn joke. We need to do better.


Who is "we" and what would you have done differently in this situation?
 
2013-04-10 09:52:17 PM  

fusillade762: Officers arrived at the home and could see Cowger walking through the home firing rounds from a handgun

Maybe he was just turning off the lights?


Or turning on the TV?
 
2013-04-10 09:52:33 PM  
coincidentally, there was a successful suicide by cop today down the road in gwinnett.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/gunman-holds-5-gwinnett-firefight er s-hostage/nXH22/
 
2013-04-10 09:55:47 PM  
I hope they got a few of the suction cups to stick.

www.popularmechanics.com
 
2013-04-10 10:01:42 PM  
and yes, i realize this story is a few links down....now (that's how i scroll)
 
2013-04-10 10:05:37 PM  

LordOfThePings: I hope they got a few of the suction cups to stick.

[www.popularmechanics.com image 470x313]


RTFA.

gadgets.softpedia.com
 
2013-04-10 10:06:38 PM  

Treygreen13: bextraordinary: Ugh, shocked this made Fark. This is my friend's dad. :/ Seriously, mental health? Not a damn joke. We need to do better.

Who is "we" and what would you have done differently in this situation?


We, as a country. The guy had a documented history of mental illness AND a documented history of domestic violence, and yet still managed to get a gun and put multiple lives at risk. It's unacceptable to me. As a country, we need to take a long, hard look at the failure of our mental health system AND our failure to enforce existing gun control laws.
 
2013-04-10 10:07:27 PM  

bextraordinary: Ugh, shocked this made Fark. This is my friend's dad. :/ Seriously, mental health? Not a damn joke. We need to do better.


Might I suggest a short vacation from FARK, then? Perhaps to another thread? Things are going to get ugly in here fast.

brandent: Generally I think the SWAT people are way better than regular cops.


The best response to that is that "it depends." In a COALEA accredited department which holds itsself up to a high standard, you are expected to see the cream of the crop, ex-military able to drill a hole in a board from 75 feet with an iron sighted 1911 type guy.

In a rural department, you might find JoeBob who ordered a patch off of EBAY that says SWAT and sewed it on his uniform (I'm not even joking)
 
2013-04-10 10:12:00 PM  

bextraordinary: Treygreen13: bextraordinary: Ugh, shocked this made Fark. This is my friend's dad. :/ Seriously, mental health? Not a damn joke. We need to do better.

Who is "we" and what would you have done differently in this situation?

We, as a country. The guy had a documented history of mental illness AND a documented history of domestic violence, and yet still managed to get a gun and put multiple lives at risk. It's unacceptable to me. As a country, we need to take a long, hard look at the failure of our mental health system AND our failure to enforce existing gun control laws.


But FREEDOM.
 
2013-04-10 10:12:04 PM  
It's a shame they didn't oblige him, now they have to pay for him for years to come.
 
2013-04-10 10:13:34 PM  

hardinparamedic: bextraordinary: Ugh, shocked this made Fark. This is my friend's dad. :/ Seriously, mental health? Not a damn joke. We need to do better.

Might I suggest a short vacation from FARK, then? Perhaps to another thread? Things are going to get ugly in here fast.


*nod* Good advice, thanks for being polite.
 
2013-04-10 10:17:53 PM  
and was given the all-clear to shoot Cowger with direct impact foam rounds

I guess that is better than the indirect impact foam rounds.  They sometimes take all day to get there and even when they reach their target you are still not completely sure.
 
2013-04-10 10:20:15 PM  

bextraordinary: We, as a country. The guy had a documented history of mental illness AND a documented history of domestic violence, and yet still managed to get a gun and put multiple lives at risk. It's unacceptable to me. As a country, we need to take a long, hard look at the failure of our mental health system AND our failure to enforce existing gun control laws.


Then write your "we" as in "congressperson" and tell them what you think, or elect a new one the next time they're up for re-election.

The article doesn't say anything about his medical or criminal history, the guy was taken down without killing him, and he got mental help.  I understand how you'd be upset someone you know is on Fark, but this story is noteworthy for Fark in that it's a case of actual successful non-lethal police tactics, when the perpetrator wants to die.
 
2013-04-10 10:21:43 PM  

trappedspirit: and was given the all-clear to shoot Cowger with direct impact foam rounds

I guess that is better than the indirect impact foam rounds.  They sometimes take all day to get there and even when they reach their target you are still not completely sure.


The spray-foam canister rounds are the best. He would have been frozen in place, eyes-a-blinking, like Wile-e-Coyote in a coating of quick-dry-concrete.

//hyphens!
 
2013-04-10 10:24:08 PM  

dopirt: trappedspirit: and was given the all-clear to shoot Cowger with direct impact foam rounds

I guess that is better than the indirect impact foam rounds.  They sometimes take all day to get there and even when they reach their target you are still not completely sure.

The spray-foam canister rounds are the best. He would have been frozen in place, eyes-a-blinking, like Wile-e-Coyote in a coating of quick-dry-concrete.

//hyphens!


I got a funny mental image of the police shooting Fix-A-Flat canisters into the house.
 
2013-04-10 10:26:40 PM  
I am ultra suspicious and critical of a lot of the police tactics, but this suicide-by-cop sh*t is nuts - pure cowardice. You want to die, so you're going to put some 20K/year guy and his family through all of that? Our tiny little community had its first ever cop death last year - in over 300 years of history - and it is just heartbreaking.
 
2013-04-10 10:27:34 PM  
good job by the cops, somewhere.  That deserves some recognition.  Especially when they actually used the para-military gear to not kill someone.

Now, if we can teach the 7 various police agencies in Houston to stop shooting pen wielding double amputees in wheelchairs, we'll be golden.
 
2013-04-10 10:31:07 PM  

bextraordinary: Treygreen13: bextraordinary: Ugh, shocked this made Fark. This is my friend's dad. :/ Seriously, mental health? Not a damn joke. We need to do better.

Who is "we" and what would you have done differently in this situation?

We, as a country. The guy had a documented history of mental illness AND a documented history of domestic violence, and yet still managed to get a gun and put multiple lives at risk. It's unacceptable to me.


So knowing this, what exactly did you do?
Did you report this to the police?
To the mental health professionals in your community (hey, there is a nutjob who has a gun and is a known to attack people)?
To the newspaper so they can investigate?

Did you try to get him committed?

What did you do?
 
2013-04-10 10:32:38 PM  

Treygreen13: bextraordinary: We, as a country. The guy had a documented history of mental illness AND a documented history of domestic violence, and yet still managed to get a gun and put multiple lives at risk. It's unacceptable to me. As a country, we need to take a long, hard look at the failure of our mental health system AND our failure to enforce existing gun control laws.

Then write your "we" as in "congressperson" and tell them what you think, or elect a new one the next time they're up for re-election.

The article doesn't say anything about his medical or criminal history, the guy was taken down without killing him, and he got mental help.  I understand how you'd be upset someone you know is on Fark, but this story is noteworthy for Fark in that it's a case of actual successful non-lethal police tactics, when the perpetrator wants to die.




Well we are going to need a way to safely round up all the Gen-Xers when they start realizing how farked they are.
 
2013-04-10 10:33:10 PM  
www.wrestlingrevealed.com

What a foamy abdomen might look like.
 
2013-04-10 10:37:22 PM  

Mega Steve: If you want to die that bad, just shoot yourself. Don't lay it off on someone else.


Maybe they would if there weren't so many restrictive, draconian gun laws in this country.  Why does America hate freedom (to shoot yourself) so much?  If someone wants a gun, GIVE IT TO THEM.  Otherwise, tragedies like this will never end.
 
2013-04-10 10:38:22 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: So knowing this, what exactly did you do?
Did you report this to the police?
To the mental health professionals in your community (hey, there is a nutjob who has a gun and is a known to attack people)?
To the newspaper so they can investigate?

Did you try to get him committed?

What did you do?


I don't think she knows this guy well enough to have known he currently had a gun and was despondent. Father of a friend, and all that. We're just missing so much information.
How was the gun obtained?
Did he seek mental health assistance that was denied?
What steps were taken to prevent this by the people he knows?
If he really wanted to die, why not kill himself with the gun? Or run at an officer with a kitchen knife?

As it stands now, there's a whole lot of question marks and the only solution posed is "America needs to think long and hard about this." Which means absolutely nothing. Zero.
 
2013-04-10 10:48:44 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: I am ultra suspicious and critical of a lot of the police tactics, but this suicide-by-cop sh*t is nuts - pure cowardice. You want to die, so you're going to put some 20K/year guy and his family through all of that? Our tiny little community had its first ever cop death last year - in over 300 years of history - and it is just heartbreaking.


you are overlooking that when a person is in the state of mind that they want to die, they are in the throes of madness. this is not a person at their best. this is not a person thinking rationally. this is when a person is at their worst of torment and in their mind it actually makes good sense and is completely appealing to be dead. they are at absolute rock bottom and without a shred of hope. they deserve sympathy, empathy and professional help.
 
2013-04-10 10:48:56 PM  
This story is also noteworthy that he only got charged with 6 counts of reckless endangerment (wonder where the 6 came from) when he was basically blind firing at the cops which could have netted him a slew of charges typically.
 
2013-04-10 10:51:07 PM  

Treygreen13: tenpoundsofcheese: So knowing this, what exactly did you do?
Did you report this to the police?
To the mental health professionals in your community (hey, there is a nutjob who has a gun and is a known to attack people)?
To the newspaper so they can investigate?

Did you try to get him committed?

What did you do?

I don't think she knows this guy well enough to have known he currently had a gun and was despondent. Father of a friend, and all that. We're just missing so much information.
How was the gun obtained?
Did he seek mental health assistance that was denied?
What steps were taken to prevent this by the people he knows?
If he really wanted to die, why not kill himself with the gun? Or run at an officer with a kitchen knife?

As it stands now, there's a whole lot of question marks and the only solution posed is "America needs to think long and hard about this." Which means absolutely nothing. Zero.


We need a national directory of nut jobs and domestic abusers.
That would be a start.
 
2013-04-10 10:54:02 PM  
Smyrna Police Chief Kevin Arnold

yosoyblog.files.wordpress.com

I always wondered what happened to that kid.
 
2013-04-10 10:54:28 PM  

berylman: This story is also noteworthy that he only got charged with 6 counts of reckless endangerment (wonder where the 6 came from) when he was basically blind firing at the cops which could have netted him a slew of charges typically.


Perhaps he fired 6 shots blindly.
 
2013-04-10 10:58:27 PM  
How does throwing a suicidal person in jail make them less suicidal?
 
2013-04-10 11:01:58 PM  
www.wearysloth.com
Come at me bro
 
2013-04-10 11:02:01 PM  

bextraordinary: Ugh, shocked this made Fark. This is my friend's dad. :/ Seriously, mental health? Not a damn joke. We need to do better.


Have you told your friend that?
 
2013-04-10 11:03:22 PM  

Ni: In my city they would've driven a tank into the building, shot the man a few times, found his dog and shot that, then charged his wife, impounded his vehicles, and lit the house on fire.


I think they got the first step right; hard to parse this cop-speak:

"The decision was made to deploy the Bearcat and establish an entry into the home through the garage," Arnold explained. "This caused Mr. Cowger to finally to begin communicating with our negotiators."
 
2013-04-10 11:07:26 PM  

trappedspirit: and was given the all-clear to shoot Cowger with direct impact foam rounds

I guess that is better than the indirect impact foam rounds.  They sometimes take all day to get there and even when they reach their target you are still not completely sure.


"Direct Impact" is a registered trademark for the foam round.

http://www.defense-technology.com/products.aspx?pid=6320LE
 
2013-04-10 11:09:23 PM  

pjbreeze: How does throwing a suicidal person in jail make them less suicidal?


Yeah, and why WOULD you read the article?!
 
2013-04-10 11:10:12 PM  

KrispyKritter: they are in the throes of madness. this is not a person at their best. this is not a person thinking rationally.


Yes, I understand your point, and it's a good one. It's just very hard when they take out their rage on those starting out in life - someone working a low wage starting position in law enforcement/government, a dangerous job - and paying this kind of a price. I'm highly critical of government / the police in general - but when this local guy died (his wife gave birth 1 week after his funeral) - it was pretty traumatic for our little town.
 
2013-04-10 11:20:22 PM  
Foam In Abdomen
cmsimg.dnj.com
Do not want.
 
2013-04-10 11:28:37 PM  
FARK rebel soldier:  Do not want.

The weird thing is that he looks *exactly* like the dude I bought a mattress from yesterday - I keed you not.
 
2013-04-10 11:34:01 PM  
He was shot with 40mm plastic-bodied foam-nosed slug, and the foam nose was filled with concentrated pepper powder.  Sounds like something out of a Jackass film.  I'd like to see that in a super slo-mo replay.
 
2013-04-10 11:44:45 PM  
Jeeze. Used to be a police sniper would take you out with a 7.62mm round, but I guess they're just foaming it in these days.
 
2013-04-11 12:29:50 AM  

bextraordinary: Treygreen13: bextraordinary: Ugh, shocked this made Fark. This is my friend's dad. :/ Seriously, mental health? Not a damn joke. We need to do better.

Who is "we" and what would you have done differently in this situation?

We, as a country. The guy had a documented history of mental illness AND a documented history of domestic violence, and yet still managed to get a gun and put multiple lives at risk. It's unacceptable to me. As a country, we need to take a long, hard look at the failure of our mental health system AND our failure to enforce existing gun control laws.


But THE SECOND AMENDMENT says we don't have to. Because that means that only criminals would have gunz.
 
2013-04-11 12:53:24 AM  
BarkingUnicorn: hard to parse this cop-speak:

"The decision was made to deploy the Bearcat and establish an entry into the home through the garage," Arnold explained. "This caused Mr. Cowger to finally to begin communicating with our negotiators."


"They drove an armored car through his garage door which scared the shiat out of him and he started talking to the cops."
 
2013-04-11 01:02:19 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: FARK rebel soldier:  Do not want.

The weird thing is that he looks *exactly* like the dude I bought a mattress from yesterday - I keed you not.


A foam mattress?
 
2013-04-11 01:04:14 AM  

Gyrfalcon: bextraordinary: Treygreen13: bextraordinary: Ugh, shocked this made Fark. This is my friend's dad. :/ Seriously, mental health? Not a damn joke. We need to do better.

Who is "we" and what would you have done differently in this situation?

We, as a country. The guy had a documented history of mental illness AND a documented history of domestic violence, and yet still managed to get a gun and put multiple lives at risk. It's unacceptable to me. As a country, we need to take a long, hard look at the failure of our mental health system AND our failure to enforce existing gun control laws.

But THE SECOND AMENDMENT says we don't have to. Because that means that only criminals would have gunz.


Ah yes, every argument must go to its illogical conclusion.
 
2013-04-11 01:15:17 AM  

CruiserTwelve: BarkingUnicorn: hard to parse this cop-speak:

"The decision was made to deploy the Bearcat and establish an entry into the home through the garage," Arnold explained. "This caused Mr. Cowger to finally to begin communicating with our negotiators."

"They drove an armored car through his garage door which scared the shiat out of him and he started talking to the cops."



OOOOhhhh ... THAT kind of Bearcat. I was picturing this kind:

farm7.staticflickr.com

I still say mine would've been cooler.
 
2013-04-11 01:27:58 AM  

Treygreen13: Gyrfalcon: bextraordinary: Treygreen13: bextraordinary: Ugh, shocked this made Fark. This is my friend's dad. :/ Seriously, mental health? Not a damn joke. We need to do better.

Who is "we" and what would you have done differently in this situation?

We, as a country. The guy had a documented history of mental illness AND a documented history of domestic violence, and yet still managed to get a gun and put multiple lives at risk. It's unacceptable to me. As a country, we need to take a long, hard look at the failure of our mental health system AND our failure to enforce existing gun control laws.

But THE SECOND AMENDMENT says we don't have to. Because that means that only criminals would have gunz.

Ah yes, every argument must go to its illogical conclusion.


It's going to go there anyway, I figured I'd just cut to the chase.
 
2013-04-11 01:42:58 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: CruiserTwelve: BarkingUnicorn: hard to parse this cop-speak:

"The decision was made to deploy the Bearcat and establish an entry into the home through the garage," Arnold explained. "This caused Mr. Cowger to finally to begin communicating with our negotiators."

"They drove an armored car through his garage door which scared the shiat out of him and he started talking to the cops."


OOOOhhhh ... THAT kind of Bearcat. I was picturing this kind:

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 640x460]

I still say mine would've been cooler.


Constable Toad unavailable for comment.
 
2013-04-11 01:55:09 AM  

LordOfThePings: I hope they got a few of the suction cups to stick.

[www.popularmechanics.com image 470x313]


I want the Mass Effect "N7"-styled painted version someone made of that for shooting people at the office.  We have Nerf wars sometimes.
 
2013-04-11 02:18:05 AM  

Mega Steve: If you want to die that bad, just shoot yourself. Don't lay it off on someone else.


Step 1: Buy Gun
Step 2:Rent boat
Step 3: Get some drugs and booze.
Step 4: Go out in the middle of nowhere on your boat, drink, smoke, shoot up or whatever
Step 5: If you didn't enjoy your trip enough to justify living till you can do it again, shoot yourself as you sit with your back to the water.  Fall in and die.

Pros:
No chance of accidentally living and being all farked up with a hole in your head.
Last chance to survival - if you can't enjoy a peaceful artificial happiness on the water when you have zero cares because the plan is suicide, then, well, suicide is probably the answer.
Doesn't hurt anyone else.
If you do it right, you get eaten by sharks and you don't even leave a clean up for others.
Hell, you can anchor the boat and call who you rented it from that it is waiting for them - minor inconvenience really.

Cons: doesn't work for hydrophobes and people with sea-sickness
 
2013-04-11 02:36:00 AM  
It would be easier if all police were corrupt and evil.

Instead you sometimes see good apples doing the right thing described here, including not necessarily piling on charges just because, and saving people's lives through what looks like the proper use of force.  Bonus points for using newer technology correctly.

Then you have cops in LA shooting at random targets in blue pickups because they are 'tense'.
 
2013-04-11 03:35:08 AM  

hardinparamedic: bextraordinary: Ugh, shocked this made Fark. This is my friend's dad. :/ Seriously, mental health? Not a damn joke. We need to do better.

Might I suggest a short vacation from FARK, then? Perhaps to another thread? Things are going to get ugly in here fast.

brandent: Generally I think the SWAT people are way better than regular cops.

The best response to that is that "it depends." In a COALEA accredited department which holds itsself up to a high standard, you are expected to see the cream of the crop, ex-military able to drill a hole in a board from 75 feet with an iron sighted 1911 type guy.

In a rural department, you might find JoeBob who ordered a patch off of EBAY that says SWAT and sewed it on his uniform (I'm not even joking)


CALEA is a waste of money and is only meant to employ retired admin types.
 
2013-04-11 05:00:21 AM  

hardinparamedic: bextraordinary: Ugh, shocked this made Fark. This is my friend's dad. :/ Seriously, mental health? Not a damn joke. We need to do better.

Might I suggest a short vacation from FARK, then? Perhaps to another thread? Things are going to get ugly in here fast.

brandent: Generally I think the SWAT people are way better than regular cops.

The best response to that is that "it depends." In a COALEA accredited department which holds itsself up to a high standard, you are expected to see the cream of the crop, ex-military able to drill a hole in a board from 75 feet with an iron sighted 1911 type guy.

In a rural department, you might find JoeBob who ordered a patch off of EBAY that says SWAT and sewed it on his uniform (I'm not even joking)


^^^^^^

I've known a few SWAT wannabes that couldn't even pass a DPD shooting course that were on rural County SWAT teams or SRTs. If you ever get into a hostage situation, pray to god it's in a major and liberal city. Or you might as well figure you're dead, fight the fark back.
 
2013-04-11 05:00:58 AM  

brandent: Ni: In my city they would've driven a tank into the building, shot the man a few times, found his dog and shot that, then charged his wife, impounded his vehicles, and lit the house on fire.

Generally I think the SWAT people are way better than regular cops.


They're better trained, and prepared to handle this kind of situation.
 
2013-04-11 05:04:01 AM  

pjbreeze: How does throwing a suicidal person in jail make them less suicidal?


Do you suggest letting the six counts of reckless endangerment just slide?

StoPPeRmobile: Well we are going to need a way to safely round up all the Gen-Xers when they start realizing how farked they are.


LOLWUT?
 
2013-04-11 05:13:41 AM  

Abacus9: brandent: Ni: In my city they would've driven a tank into the building, shot the man a few times, found his dog and shot that, then charged his wife, impounded his vehicles, and lit the house on fire.

Generally I think the SWAT people are way better than regular cops.

They're better trained, and prepared to handle this kind of situation.


I'd be impressed if even 1 out of every 5 SWAT or SRT departments outside of the Federal Branch Offices in this country had a budget that covered enough specialized training for their officers. At best they get some more range time and MAYBE get to run some drills at a muni building with some of the senior ex military guys. At best.

It takes a massive budget to provide the constant training needed to maintain even a half assed team, let alone a good one. Most LEO agencies and departments in this country simply do not have the budget.

Like I said, hope to god if you have to have a sniper taking out the guy with a pistol to your head that you're in a major and at least somewhat liberal city or one of its suburbs. Otherwise you're just as likely to be shot by the sniper as the hostage taker.
 
2013-04-11 05:32:32 AM  

Awesome T-Shirt: CALEA is a waste of money and is only meant to employ retired admin types.


Funny how those departments tend to have less problems with the public than non CoALEA departments, isn't it?

It's almost as if holding ones self up to a higher standard tends to mean you attract better candidates and people to the job.

iq_in_binary: Like I said, hope to god if you have to have a sniper taking out the guy with a pistol to your head that you're in a major and at least somewhat liberal city or one of its suburbs. Otherwise you're just as likely to be shot by the sniper as the hostage taker.


For all it's stupidity, NYPD has a supurb SRT - NYPD Rescue. Not only are they SWAT, but also Paramedics, Firefighters, and Rescue Technicians.

Our guys in Shelby County are pretty good, but they tend to go less up against crazies, and more up against bangers with the firepower of a third world nation.
 
2013-04-11 06:17:30 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: CruiserTwelve: BarkingUnicorn: hard to parse this cop-speak:

"The decision was made to deploy the Bearcat and establish an entry into the home through the garage," Arnold explained. "This caused Mr. Cowger to finally to begin communicating with our negotiators."

"They drove an armored car through his garage door which scared the shiat out of him and he started talking to the cops."


OOOOhhhh ... THAT kind of Bearcat. I was picturing this kind:

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 640x460]

I still say mine would've been cooler.


DO THE BEARCAT!!
http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=ZOH9eI_j_B4
 
2013-04-11 12:35:19 PM  
He wouldn't even have to ask me. I'd shoot him just for having that creepy mustache.
 
2013-04-12 01:56:19 AM  

hardinparamedic: Awesome T-Shirt: CALEA is a waste of money and is only meant to employ retired admin types.

Funny how those departments tend to have less problems with the public than non CoALEA departments, isn't it?

It's almost as if holding ones self up to a higher standard tends to mean you attract better candidates and people to the job.

iq_in_binary: Like I said, hope to god if you have to have a sniper taking out the guy with a pistol to your head that you're in a major and at least somewhat liberal city or one of its suburbs. Otherwise you're just as likely to be shot by the sniper as the hostage taker.

For all it's stupidity, NYPD has a supurb SRT - NYPD Rescue. Not only are they SWAT, but also Paramedics, Firefighters, and Rescue Technicians.

Our guys in Shelby County are pretty good, but they tend to go less up against crazies, and more up against bangers with the firepower of a third world nation.


I know this is unlikely to get a response from you, but meh.

CALEA, with no o, has the Seattle Police Department as one of the departments accredited by them. You want to talk about an agency with problems?

Second of all, NYPD ESU personnel are not firefighters and most of them aren't paramedics either.
 
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