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(CBS New York)   Wife goes over a cliff, falling 120 feet in 2.74 seconds. If she landed 52 feet from the base of the cliff, did she stumble or was she pushed by her husband, who was philandering at a rate of 20 affairs per marriage?   (newyork.cbslocal.com) divider line 88
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2013-04-10 03:21:54 PM
52' / 2.74 sec = 19'/second = 1140'/minute = 13 mph. Pushed or a got a running start.
 
2013-04-10 03:35:22 PM
I was told there would be no math!
 
2013-04-10 03:37:29 PM
First, assume a spherical wife...

/stubmitter
 
2013-04-10 03:56:32 PM
How was he convicted if he was the only witness as to what happened?

I mean, I'm assuming he's an asshole and did  kill her, but where is the evidence?
 
2013-04-10 03:56:44 PM
Well who doesn't discuss a troubled marriage at the edge of a cliff?
 
2013-04-10 04:29:42 PM
I was told there'd be no splat
 
2013-04-10 04:59:35 PM
African or European?
 
2013-04-10 05:00:06 PM
"Math is hard", said Barbie.
 
2013-04-10 05:00:15 PM
Don't give me none of that math stuff the answer is 42 and I'm gonna stick with it.
 
2013-04-10 05:00:28 PM

whither_apophis: 52' / 2.74 sec = 19'/second = 1140'/minute = 13 mph. Pushed or a got a running start.


That's a hell of a push unless his wife weighed 20 pounds.  Probably a running start.

/unless it's more of a steep hill than a cliff
 
2013-04-10 05:01:01 PM
What Did he throw her off like a discus thrower?
 
2013-04-10 05:01:31 PM

you have pee hands: whither_apophis: 52' / 2.74 sec = 19'/second = 1140'/minute = 13 mph. Pushed or a got a running start.

That's a hell of a push unless his wife weighed 20 pounds.  Probably a running start.

/unless it's more of a steep hill than a cliff


I suspect bouncing was involved.
 
2013-04-10 05:05:31 PM
The train will reach Chicago at 3:30.
 
2013-04-10 05:05:42 PM

R.A.Danny: How was he convicted if he was the only witness as to what happened?

I mean, I'm assuming he's an asshole and did  kill her, but where is the evidence?


Young man, this is not a court of evidence. This is a court of law.
 
2013-04-10 05:05:58 PM
Hey -- just let it go.
 
2013-04-10 05:06:37 PM

sparkeyjames: Don't give me none of that math stuff the answer is 42 and I'm gonna stick with it.


What do you get if you multiply six by nine?
 
2013-04-10 05:06:51 PM

Joelogon: First, assume a spherical wife...

/stubmitter


Oh my God! That bowling ball, it's my wife!
 
2013-04-10 05:08:42 PM

R.A.Danny: How was he convicted if he was the only witness as to what happened?

I mean, I'm assuming he's an asshole and did  kill her, but where is the evidence?


You don't have to have an independent witness, otherwise all you'd have to do to successfully murder someone is to be the only surviving witness.

He told multiple stories as to what had happened, and changing one's story that dramatically tends to indicate to investigators and a jury that they're a liar. Add in the circumstantial evidence (numerous affairs, troubled marriage, fact that they were discussing said troubled marriage when she died) plus physical evidence and there was enough for a murder conviction.

Now some are questioning that physical evidence and what it indicates. Whether enough actual experts really truly do disagree AND can convince a judge that there's room to argue that evidence AND the judge is also convinced that without that evidence the case would be in doubt...well, how that turns out will determine whether or not he gets a new trial.

I'm familiar with the case, as it turns out. I personally think he did it. My reasoning (FWIW) is as follows (and it's not enough to convict someone legally)...suspects always remember key details around a traumatic event. Some minor aspects WILL change in the telling. Police look for liars by two methods; one that the story has absolutely no changes, is told the same way each time and the suspect can't do it easily backwards or out of sync (because it's a rehearsed lie). The other is a story where the substantial elements change dramatically (because it's an unprepared lie, or a lie that had to morph to fit the facts). He's done the latter. It's changed from him being right there, they were sitting and discussing marital woes...she got up and lost balance and fell, and he couldn't grab her in time...to he was walking away and she just vanished, to he went to get her a blanket from the car and he saw her fall, to him implying it was suicide b/c he didn't actually see her fall and thought she might have jumped.

Story has changed dramatically many times. Now, we KNOW people do lie against their interests, hopefully everyone is aware of the serious problem of false confessions. However this doesn't have any elements of that (and he has never confessed). He simply has changed the story MANY times, and told different versions to different people. That coupled with the evidence certainly makes me think he's guilty.

But I of course I could be wrong, and I think when there's new evidence or new science, such things SHOULD be reexamined. DNA evidence has exonorated many wrongly convicted people, and that's a good thing.
 
2013-04-10 05:10:04 PM
42
 
2013-04-10 05:11:18 PM
There's only one way to know for sure:
mestechko.info
 
2013-04-10 05:11:24 PM

Joelogon


First, assume a spherical wife...


of uniform density.
 
2013-04-10 05:12:26 PM

Joelogon: First, assume a spherical wife...

/stubmitter


Then assume a perfect vacuum and no friction loss...
 
2013-04-10 05:12:33 PM

R.A.Danny: How was he convicted if he was the only witness as to what happened?
I mean, I'm assuming he's an asshole and did  kill her, but where is the evidence?


Yeah I'd like to know the same thing.  I also bet he did it but man, the confirmation bias here is hilarious:

When asked how many affairs he had while married to Jody Ann, Stephen estimated it at 20. Investigators said that was why he wanted his wife out of the way.

I mean, I suppose I would get it if this were one or two affairs.  But after 20 affairs, his wife was clearly not in the way of anything.
 
2013-04-10 05:13:54 PM
cgraves67:
I suspect bouncing was involved.

With a lot of panicked flailing and maybe a bit of dragging herself along half dead once she hit the ground.
 
2013-04-10 05:14:01 PM

cgraves67


I suspect bouncing was involved.


TFA did not indicate whether she was wearing a bra at the time.
 
2013-04-10 05:17:25 PM
I'm going to say....5.
 
2013-04-10 05:18:41 PM

whither_apophis: 52' / 2.74 sec = 19'/second = 1140'/minute = 13 mph. Pushed or a got a running start.


Running start?

The fastest person on earth, Usain Bolt, can only go 23mph.

I think a 'push' would get you 1 mph of velocity, max.
 
2013-04-10 05:21:58 PM
a two handed push especially with a few steps into it, could accelerate a smaller person to 15mph no problem.
 
2013-04-10 05:22:22 PM

whither_apophis: 52' / 2.74 sec = 19'/second = 1140'/minute = 13 mph. Pushed or a got a running start.


If your math is correct, and assuming no wind assist, that would be a hell of a shove if the person resisted at all.

Women who have cheating husbands have been known to commit suicide, but taking a running leap over a cliff?

This is a tough one.  :-P
 
2013-04-10 05:23:08 PM

Lady Indica: He told multiple stories as to what had happened, and changing one's story that dramatically tends to indicate to investigators and a jury that they're a liar. Add in the circumstantial evidence (numerous affairs, troubled marriage, fact that they were discussing said troubled marriage when she died) plus physical evidence and there was enough for a murder conviction.


So seemingly he got himself more than anything else. Amazing how shutting the hell up is the best course of action 99.99% of the time.
 
2013-04-10 05:23:09 PM
Gets out his protractor and compass. Yup, he pushed her.
 
2013-04-10 05:25:31 PM

madgonad: whither_apophis: 52' / 2.74 sec = 19'/second = 1140'/minute = 13 mph. Pushed or a got a running start.

Running start?

The fastest person on earth, Usain Bolt, can only go 23mph.

I think a 'push' would get you 1 mph of velocity, max.


Maybe he used a potato gun sort of thingy.
 
2013-04-10 05:25:53 PM

madgonad: Running start?

The fastest person on earth, Usain Bolt, can only go 23mph.

I think a 'push' would get you 1 mph of velocity, max.


Also, a six minute mile (10 mph) is a pretty fast run for most people. I imagine 13 mph is right around the sprint speed of an untrained person not dressed for running.
 
2013-04-10 05:25:55 PM
imgs.xkcd.com
Or I will push you over a cliff.
 
2013-04-10 05:27:28 PM
20 affairs/marriage? I don't do metric. What's that in Kennedys?
 
2013-04-10 05:31:00 PM

Mongo No.5: a two handed push especially with a few steps into it, could accelerate a smaller person to 15mph no problem.


You are standing near a cliff.  Human instinct puts you a bit on guard.  Getting involved in an argument with your cheating spouse, even more so.  If someone is resisting, you don't simply shove them out that far.  Now if she was looking out over the cliff and he ran up and caught her by surprise?  Now we're into the plausible realm.
 
2013-04-10 05:31:15 PM

Mongo No.5: a two handed push especially with a few steps into it, could accelerate a smaller person to 15mph no problem.


If you're Ray Lewis.  He's 62, I'd bet he couldn't hit 15 mph in a dead sprint and even if he did he'd probably go over too.
 
2013-04-10 05:32:35 PM

R.A.Danny: Lady Indica: He told multiple stories as to what had happened, and changing one's story that dramatically tends to indicate to investigators and a jury that they're a liar. Add in the circumstantial evidence (numerous affairs, troubled marriage, fact that they were discussing said troubled marriage when she died) plus physical evidence and there was enough for a murder conviction.

So seemingly he got himself more than anything else. Amazing how shutting the hell up is the best course of action 99.99% of the time.


Not doing it in the first place halves the risk even more! Of course there is always a chance of still ending up in jail for a crime you didn`t commit. You might even promptly escape from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. You could end up still wanted by the government, surviving as soldiers of fortune. If people have a problem, if no one else can help, and if they can find you, maybe they could hire... The A-Team.
 
2013-04-10 05:33:19 PM

cgraves67: 20 affairs/marriage? I don't do metric. What's that in Kennedys?


About 2 millikennedys, maybe 2.5
 
2013-04-10 05:33:32 PM

Mitrovarr: madgonad: Running start?

The fastest person on earth, Usain Bolt, can only go 23mph.

I think a 'push' would get you 1 mph of velocity, max.

Also, a six minute mile (10 mph) is a pretty fast run for most people. I imagine 13 mph is right around the sprint speed of an untrained person not dressed for running.


Bolt's average speed from 60 meters to 80 meters during a record run was 27.8 MPH, but I agree that 13 is about right for a typical sprinting human. No way anyone could "push" someone to that speed, unless assisted by a car.
 
2013-04-10 05:33:45 PM

madgonad: whither_apophis: 52' / 2.74 sec = 19'/second = 1140'/minute = 13 mph. Pushed or a got a running start.

Running start?

The fastest person on earth, Usain Bolt, can only go 23mph.

I think a 'push' would get you 1 mph of velocity, max.


g = 9.81m/s^2
 
2013-04-10 05:36:46 PM

Kyosuke: sparkeyjames: Don't give me none of that math stuff the answer is 42 and I'm gonna stick with it.

What do you get if you multiply six by nine?


Just gotta pick the proper base.

613X 913 = 4213

42 it is.  We're in violent agreement.
 
2013-04-10 05:38:42 PM

Tempted: Kyosuke: sparkeyjames: Don't give me none of that math stuff the answer is 42 and I'm gonna stick with it.

What do you get if you multiply six by nine?

Just gotta pick the proper base.

613X 913 = 4213

42 it is.  We're in violent agreement.


Are you saying that at it`s base the universe is just unlucky?
 
2013-04-10 05:38:49 PM
she was a fast reader too, she did 10 stories in 3 seconds
 
2013-04-10 05:39:03 PM
going by a buttload of true crime TV shows, if husband cheated they convict him of whatever he was accused of.
 
2013-04-10 05:39:28 PM
Hmm. Shame quoting doesn`t retain formatting. It makes a mockery of power based maths.
 
2013-04-10 05:42:56 PM

dready zim: Not doing it in the first place halves the risk even more!


Well, yeah, if you want to take all the fun out of it.
 
2013-04-10 05:44:04 PM
There's something I don't understand... How the hell would taking a step backwards into air and falling off a cliff be at all distinguishable from a push which tips someone over the edge of a cliff?

When you give someone at the edge of a cliff a push they're not going to go flying out 20 feet unless you're Tony Stark in your Iron Man armor... real people are only pushing them out a foot or two. And if you got a running start so you could push them out as far as five or six feet you're going over the edge WITH them. In real life the difference between a push and a trip is going to be negligable at the top of the cliff and indistinguishable at the bottom after falling and probably bouncing off of rocks on the way down.
 
2013-04-10 05:44:18 PM
FTFA:
Kellinger and two other people coming to Stephen Scharf's defense said if Jody Ann had been pushed from the rocks, she would have landed closer to the base of the cliff. Instead, her body was found 52 feet out.
"If I push somebody, they're only going to go a few feet per second," Kellinger said.

I think he's got it backwards.  Push somebody and she'll gain horizontal velocity.  She'll land further out, not closer.
 
2013-04-10 05:47:27 PM
TADA!
 
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