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(Talking Points Memo)   Rand PAUL gives awkward, condescending speech on race to students at historically black Howard University. So how's that outreach coming, GOP?   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2013-04-10 05:46:08 PM  
Rand Paul: I don't believe in discrimination... I just think it should be up to states and the private sector to decide if they want to discriminate.

Yeeeah. That's like "I am not FOR slavery, I just think states and private individuals should decide for themselves."

Allowing others to discriminant is being for it.
 
2013-04-10 05:47:20 PM  

Corvus: Allowing others to discriminant is being for it.


That's not exactly true. It doesn't make you for discrimination - its more that you view discrimination as rather inconsequential and not very important. Just as bad, but pretty bad.
 
2013-04-10 05:47:27 PM  
"Should we limit racists from speaking?" Paul said in that interview. "I don't want to be associated with those people, but I also don't want to limit their speech in any way in the sense that we tolerate boorish and uncivilized behavior because that's one of the things that freedom requires is that we allow people to be boorish and uncivilized, but that doesn't mean we approve of it."

Klanners and Neo-Nazis are perfectly free to hold rallies, make speeches, burn crosses and otherwise act like the unemployed, uneducated, backwater morons they are.  In fact I encourage them to so we can all point and laugh.
 
2013-04-10 05:48:29 PM  
talkingpointsmemo.com

Let me explain... sorry I mean essplain to you people about black history. I figure most of you don't do well in school.
 
2013-04-10 05:49:23 PM  

Corvus: Rand Paul: I don't believe in discrimination... I just think it should be up to states and the private sector to decide if they want to discriminate.

Yeeeah. That's like "I am not FOR slavery, I just think states and private individuals should decide for themselves."

Allowing others to discriminant is being for it.


Yeah I don't get this.  Do they not believe in absolutes?  Or is it that they just don't like the federal government having laws?  What say you Libertarians?  You might need to take a stand on such things if you want to be taken seriously on the national stage.
 
2013-04-10 05:49:29 PM  

DamnYankees: Corvus: Allowing others to discriminant is being for it.

That's not exactly true. It doesn't make you for discrimination - its more that you view discrimination as rather inconsequential and not very important. Just as bad, but pretty bad.


Sure it does because you are allowing it to happen. You are telling it's ok for others to do it.
 
2013-04-10 05:50:20 PM  

Corvus: Some people can't get it through their heads that the two parties have switched a lot. Look at history. You either need to believe that all the people thinking changed and flipped from the south and the north or the parties did.


Rand Paul's speech to the British House of Commons:

"...Did you know, for example, that Tories have been exposed as traitorous Jacobites trying to restore James II to the throne? And your Mr Cameron is a Tory... I didn't even know he was Catholic!"
 
2013-04-10 05:50:23 PM  

karmaceutical: Corvus: Rand Paul: I don't believe in discrimination... I just think it should be up to states and the private sector to decide if they want to discriminate.

Yeeeah. That's like "I am not FOR slavery, I just think states and private individuals should decide for themselves."

Allowing others to discriminant is being for it.

Yeah I don't get this.  Do they not believe in absolutes?  Or is it that they just don't like the federal government having laws?  What say you Libertarians?  You might need to take a stand on such things if you want to be taken seriously on the national stage.


It's Confederate beliefs but now they use "libertarian" to make it sound better.
 
2013-04-10 05:51:04 PM  
vote democrat!

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-04-10 05:51:44 PM  

T-Servo: Corvus: Some people can't get it through their heads that the two parties have switched a lot. Look at history. You either need to believe that all the people thinking changed and flipped from the south and the north or the parties did.

Rand Paul's speech to the British House of Commons:

"...Did you know, for example, that Tories have been exposed as traitorous Jacobites trying to restore James II to the throne? And your Mr Cameron is a Tory... I didn't even know he was Catholic!"


Bravo sir. A much more witty version of my point.
 
2013-04-10 05:52:20 PM  

karmaceutical: Corvus: Rand Paul: I don't believe in discrimination... I just think it should be up to states and the private sector to decide if they want to discriminate.

Yeeeah. That's like "I am not FOR slavery, I just think states and private individuals should decide for themselves."

Allowing others to discriminant is being for it.

Yeah I don't get this.  Do they not believe in absolutes?  Or is it that they just don't like the federal government having laws?  What say you Libertarians?  You might need to take a stand on such things if you want to be taken seriously on the national stage.


I was under the impression there were no Libertarians here on fark.com. I know there are "Libertarians" - and I suppose I too am mildly curious as to what they have to say, if only for entertainment's sake.
 
2013-04-10 05:53:00 PM  

the_dude_abides: vote democrat!

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Because that chart clearly shows that the Republican claims that racism is a thing of the past and that affirmative action is no longer needed are true?
 
2013-04-10 05:54:30 PM  
 she said. "I think people think government action is important, they just don't want government in their house."

Government subsidized housing, food, education, and healthcare.   But get of MY house?  Perhaps after remedial english and math, you'll should schedule remedial reality you silly twit,
 
2013-04-10 05:55:09 PM  
As a liberal, I am officially promising not to say anything negative about Mr. Paul until after the 2016 GOP nomination has been decided.
 
2013-04-10 05:55:33 PM  
Paul repeatedly reminded the audience that Democrats passed Jim Crow laws in the south and that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, as were the first black legislators and the founders of the NAACP.
"Would everyone know here they were all Republicans?" he said at one point, referring to the NAACP's founders.
"Yes!" came the booming response from nearly the entire audience, who appeared offended Paul would even raise the question.

On a side note I'm glad that Republicans are finally giving Lincoln the respect he deserves as president during out country's biggest crisis. I'm sure this will carry over to realizing how terrible the Confederacy was and soon both Southern states and beat up truck drivers everywhere will take down those flags in shame.
 
2013-04-10 05:55:36 PM  

Corvus: karmaceutical: Corvus: Rand Paul: I don't believe in discrimination... I just think it should be up to states and the private sector to decide if they want to discriminate.

Yeeeah. That's like "I am not FOR slavery, I just think states and private individuals should decide for themselves."

Allowing others to discriminant is being for it.

Yeah I don't get this.  Do they not believe in absolutes?  Or is it that they just don't like the federal government having laws?  What say you Libertarians?  You might need to take a stand on such things if you want to be taken seriously on the national stage.

It's Confederate beliefs but now they use "libertarian" to make it sound better.


The whole thing is just mind boggling to me.  And yet Libertarians will proudly tell you that the reason their champions have no egress into mainstream politics is that the voting population is too dumb. I don't argue that the voting population as a whole isn't dumb, we're just not THAT dumb.  Yeesh...
 
2013-04-10 05:55:45 PM  
Another  Accidental Racist sighted.
 
2013-04-10 05:57:21 PM  

zarberg: karmaceutical: Corvus: Rand Paul: I don't believe in discrimination... I just think it should be up to states and the private sector to decide if they want to discriminate.

Yeeeah. That's like "I am not FOR slavery, I just think states and private individuals should decide for themselves."

Allowing others to discriminant is being for it.

Yeah I don't get this.  Do they not believe in absolutes?  Or is it that they just don't like the federal government having laws?  What say you Libertarians?  You might need to take a stand on such things if you want to be taken seriously on the national stage.

I was under the impression there were no Libertarians here on fark.com. I know there are "Libertarians" - and I suppose I too am mildly curious as to what they have to say, if only for entertainment's sake.


The invisible hand of the market will force everyone to be not be racist.

Just like it did for:
Slavery
Child Labor
Unequal pay
Dangerous Working Conditions
Creating a minimum wage.
Safe food

Oh wait all of those were created from government not from market force... Um because it's their Dogma therefor it is unquestionable!!!

I have found most libertarians are like religious zealots. They use their own dogma to prove their dogma. Not actual facts.
 
2013-04-10 05:57:56 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: she said. "I think people think government action is important, they just don't want government in their house."

Government subsidized housing, food, education, and healthcare.    But get of MY house?  Perhaps after remedial english and math, you'll should schedule remedial reality you silly twit,


Hoisted by your own retard.
 
2013-04-10 05:58:58 PM  
He could have told them about his dad's newsletter warning of the coming race war. That would be a hoot!
 
2013-04-10 05:59:03 PM  

zarberg: karmaceutical: Corvus: Rand Paul: I don't believe in discrimination... I just think it should be up to states and the private sector to decide if they want to discriminate.

Yeeeah. That's like "I am not FOR slavery, I just think states and private individuals should decide for themselves."

Allowing others to discriminant is being for it.

Yeah I don't get this.  Do they not believe in absolutes?  Or is it that they just don't like the federal government having laws?  What say you Libertarians?  You might need to take a stand on such things if you want to be taken seriously on the national stage.

I was under the impression there were no Libertarians here on fark.com. I know there are "Libertarians" - and I suppose I too am mildly curious as to what they have to say, if only for entertainment's sake.


I think the term "Libertarian" was co opted by traditional Conservatives who could not square their distaste for Bush with their overall feeling of superiority.  See also: Fark Independent

There have to be a few, maybe they are all on my ignore list... probably all still trolling the rape threads, sick people the lot of them...
 
2013-04-10 06:00:57 PM  

karmaceutical: zarberg: karmaceutical: Corvus: Rand Paul: I don't believe in discrimination... I just think it should be up to states and the private sector to decide if they want to discriminate.

Yeeeah. That's like "I am not FOR slavery, I just think states and private individuals should decide for themselves."

Allowing others to discriminant is being for it.

Yeah I don't get this.  Do they not believe in absolutes?  Or is it that they just don't like the federal government having laws?  What say you Libertarians?  You might need to take a stand on such things if you want to be taken seriously on the national stage.

I was under the impression there were no Libertarians here on fark.com. I know there are "Libertarians" - and I suppose I too am mildly curious as to what they have to say, if only for entertainment's sake.

I think the term "Libertarian" was co opted by traditional Conservatives who could not square their distaste for Bush with their overall feeling of superiority.  See also: Fark Independent

There have to be a few, maybe they are all on my ignore list... probably all still trolling the rape threads, sick people the lot of them...


The Libertarian Party is part of the problem when they keep giving Republicans the nomination for President.
 
2013-04-10 06:02:01 PM  

karmaceutical: Corvus: karmaceutical: Corvus: Rand Paul: I don't believe in discrimination... I just think it should be up to states and the private sector to decide if they want to discriminate.

Yeeeah. That's like "I am not FOR slavery, I just think states and private individuals should decide for themselves."

Allowing others to discriminant is being for it.

Yeah I don't get this.  Do they not believe in absolutes?  Or is it that they just don't like the federal government having laws?  What say you Libertarians?  You might need to take a stand on such things if you want to be taken seriously on the national stage.

It's Confederate beliefs but now they use "libertarian" to make it sound better.

The whole thing is just mind boggling to me.  And yet Libertarians will proudly tell you that the reason their champions have no egress into mainstream politics is that the voting population is too dumb. I don't argue that the voting population as a whole isn't dumb, we're just not THAT dumb.  Yeesh...


Actual it's catching on with young people now. Rand Paul might have a real chance in 2016. However most Rand Paul fans I know have no actuall idea what he actually stands for. They think he wants to make drugs legal, they think he supports gay marriage, etc. But I think the idealism of libertarianism is popular with the young crowds of today.  Just like Communism and Socialism was popular with young crowds around the 60s.

I have a friend who is for gay-marriage, animal rights, anti-big corporations and thinks Rand Paul is great. She has no clue of his positions she just hears this "Less government" stuff and doesn't understand what the deregulation would mean the opposite of things she supports.
 
2013-04-10 06:02:17 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Government subsidized housing, food, education, and healthcare.   But get of MY house?  Perhaps after remedial english and math, you'll should schedule remedial reality you silly twit,


Don't you hate it when that happens?
 
2013-04-10 06:02:38 PM  
"I've never wavered in my support for civil rights or the Civil Rights Act," he said.

You farking lying sack of shiat.  You've repeatably said you consider it unconstitutional and it should be repealed.  You and your racist father both claim it should be legal for businesses to discriminate based on skin color.

I will never understand how politicians like this can be so ignorant and tone deaf.
 
2013-04-10 06:02:55 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Because that chart clearly shows that the Republican claims that racism is a thing of the past and that affirmative action is no longer needed are true?


nope, just that blacks have done better in the last 3 decades under a gop president
 
2013-04-10 06:03:14 PM  
What exactly was the Great Emancipator emancipating the Negro from? From his daily bread? From the nobility of honest work? From weathy patrons who sponsored them from cradle to grave? From clothing and shelter? And what have they done with their freedom? Why, go to Finkton, and you shall find out. No animal is born free, except the white man. And it is our burden to care for the rest of creation. --Zachary Hale Comstock, April the 14th, 1905
 Rand Paul, April the 10th, 2013
 
2013-04-10 06:05:24 PM  

odinsposse: On a side note I'm glad that Republicans are finally giving Lincoln the respect he deserves as president during out country's biggest crisis. I'm sure this will carry over to realizing how terrible the Confederacy was and soon both Southern states and beat up truck drivers everywhere will take down those flags in shame.


dixierepublic.com
A certain member of my family has this bumper sticker, and yet also boasts about how Lincoln was a Republican.

The cognitive dissonance is powerful enough to warp light around his head.
 
2013-04-10 06:06:27 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: "I've never wavered in my support for civil rights or the Civil Rights Act," he said.

You farking lying sack of shiat.  You've repeatably said you consider it unconstitutional and it should be repealed.  You and your racist father both claim it should be legal for businesses to discriminate based on skin color.


Has that changed? EXACTLY! His support, nothing,is still nothing!
 
2013-04-10 06:06:42 PM  

the_dude_abides: Philip Francis Queeg: Because that chart clearly shows that the Republican claims that racism is a thing of the past and that affirmative action is no longer needed are true?

nope, just that blacks have done better in the last 3 decades under a gop president


Bill Clinton was a gop President?
 
2013-04-10 06:11:28 PM  
Poor guy probably hasn't been in the presence of more than a half-dozen black people at one time, so I'm sure that he rushed home afterward and soaked in a tub full of Clorox bleach to cleanse himself of the stench of darkies.

/yes, I do believe that he really is that racist
 
2013-04-10 06:12:17 PM  
I saw this be described on Google as "Whitesplaining." It might not roll off the tongue as well as "Mansplaining," but damned if it isn't spot on.
 
2013-04-10 06:12:18 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Government subsidized housing, food, education, and healthcare.   But get of MY house?  Perhaps after remedial english and math, you'll should schedule remedial reality you silly twit,


It appears that the politician in question would prefer to see privately acquired housing, privately purchased food, private education (and/or homeschooling), and private healthcare. Being a libertarian, his conviction would be that the government has a vital role to play in areas other than these.
 
2013-04-10 06:13:39 PM  

Huggermugger: Poor guy probably hasn't been in the presence of more than a half-dozen black people at one time, so I'm sure that he rushed home afterward and soaked in a tub full of Clorox bleach to cleanse himself of the stench of darkies.

/yes, I do believe that he really is that racist


Another internet clairvoyant.
 
2013-04-10 06:14:18 PM  

T-Servo: odinsposse: On a side note I'm glad that Republicans are finally giving Lincoln the respect he deserves as president during out country's biggest crisis. I'm sure this will carry over to realizing how terrible the Confederacy was and soon both Southern states and beat up truck drivers everywhere will take down those flags in shame.

[dixierepublic.com image 409x112]
A certain member of my family has this bumper sticker, and yet also boasts about how Lincoln was a Republican.

The cognitive dissonance is powerful enough to warp light around his head.


Team politics. My team is better than yours.
 
2013-04-10 06:14:25 PM  
Rand Paul=farking turd

Gee, thanks, Kentucky.
 
2013-04-10 06:16:11 PM  
www.charlock.org
 
2013-04-10 06:16:24 PM  
So how is it "Libertarian" to believe that everyone who votes must get a government ID to do so?

Oh I forget Rand Paul is the Schrodinger Cat of libertarians. Fark Libertarians can say his beliefs are not libertarian but then support him like they are.

They can pretend not to agree with his positions but then support him. Why would you support someone you say you disagree with his opinions, unless you truly didn't. Much like Fark Independents.

Well I think there is an a big overlap on Fark Independents  and "libertarians".
 
2013-04-10 06:16:55 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: the_dude_abides: Philip Francis Queeg: Because that chart clearly shows that the Republican claims that racism is a thing of the past and that affirmative action is no longer needed are true?

nope, just that blacks have done better in the last 3 decades under a gop president

Bill Clinton was a gop President?


No, but he was black.
 
2013-04-10 06:17:44 PM  
Condescendingly assuming these kids know nothing about the history of slavery and the NAACP didn't work? Damn.

Hopefully Rand followed up with "GET OFF THE DEMRAT PLANTATION YOU BRAINWASHED SLAVES!" That's also a really effective technique for getting black people to vote Republican.
 
2013-04-10 06:18:23 PM  

Nadie_AZ: [dixierepublic.com image 409x112]
A certain member of my family has this bumper sticker, and yet also boasts about how Lincoln was a Republican.

The cognitive dissonance is powerful enough to warp light around his head.

Team politics. My team is better than yours.


Nope. It's authoritarianism.

Link
 
2013-04-10 06:19:55 PM  
Should have started with a chorus of "Who Let The Dogs Out?" to warm up the crowd. That always works.
 
2013-04-10 06:21:48 PM  
I like Rand Paul's style.
I hope he keeps saying things.
 
2013-04-10 06:24:23 PM  
God!  I wish someone bugged his limo.  I'd love to hear what he had to say after that talk.
 
2013-04-10 06:26:19 PM  

Vodka Zombie: God!  I wish someone bugged his limo.  I'd love to hear what he had to say after that talk.


"These idiots still don't understand that Republicans aren't racist! Maybe we need someone louder to explain to them that Lincoln was a Republican."
 
2013-04-10 06:27:08 PM  
 
2013-04-10 06:30:37 PM  

MasterThief: Here's the actual speech.


Good Christ, does he ever go on about how misunderstood and mistreated he is.
 
2013-04-10 06:32:45 PM  
Dude has giant balls to step foot in Howard University, much less give a speech.
 
2013-04-10 06:33:32 PM  
Howard is a pretty good school. Why, exactly, did he speak there? Most of the traditionally Black Schools are very, very Democratic. They most likely thought he was a joke. Which, frankly, he is. And he needs a better toupee.
 
2013-04-10 06:33:47 PM  

Altair: Dude has giant balls to step foot in Howard University, much less give a speech.


And he spends the first half of his speech telling you that.
 
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